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Jun 15 08:31:40 <goxboxlive> koen, I need to have usb-ohci installed in to my kernel zImage to have UMTS working on Universal. But no mather what i do wih my kernel defconfig OE install usb-ohci as a module (just an older kernel module version than i am building). Is there a way i can override it beside removing usb-ohci from task-base?
Jun 15 08:35:01 <koen> I don't get your question
Jun 15 08:35:04 <koen> how wou
Jun 15 08:35:18 <koen> ld removing it from task-base affect the kernel build?
Jun 15 08:38:28 <goxboxlive> I want it build, but not as a module. I just want it to be a part of my kernel zImage, and not as a standalone module. In my kernel defconfig i have usb-ohci setup as a part of my kernel zImage and not as a module. But anyway OE install usb-ohci as a module in to the x-11-image.
Jun 15 08:41:52 <pH5> goxboxlive: try cleaning your deploy directory from the old module ipk
Jun 15 08:42:24 <daurnimator> hi all
Jun 15 08:44:11 <goxboxlive> ok
Jun 15 08:49:44 <goxboxlive> pH5, when i tried to remove it from task-base it skipped installing it. And i guess if i add it again and remove the module ipk from my deploy directory it will probably fail doning rootfs. Am i right?
Jun 15 08:50:59 <pH5> goxboxlive: no, that's why kernel module packages are only recommended, but not depended upon. if there is no ipk for a recommended package, it will just be skipped.
Jun 15 08:51:16 <goxboxlive> pH5, ok thx
Jun 15 09:41:08 <Marex> koen, hi, someone changed something about angstrom version info?
Jun 15 09:41:33 <Marex> opie began to show me .-----. as distro version since about two days ago
Jun 15 09:42:52 <Marex> yesterday I noticed there was some ascii art crap while I was rebooting ... that really made me angry since I thought I broke something in opie :-E
Jun 15 09:43:24 <daurnimator> i think my zaurus battery is going out on me
Jun 15 09:59:27 <daurnimator> hey
Jun 15 09:59:32 <daurnimator> oh
Jun 15 09:59:33 <daurnimator> wait
Jun 15 09:59:38 * daurnimator mumbles
Jun 15 12:32:44 <daurnimator> interesting!
Jun 15 12:32:53 <daurnimator> sh: ifconfig: not found
Jun 15 13:19:19 <dcordes> daurnimator, ?
Jun 15 13:19:21 <dcordes> did you reflash
Jun 15 13:19:34 <daurnimator> no, I did an idiot thing
Jun 15 13:19:40 <daurnimator> and deleted $PATH
Jun 15 13:20:06 <daurnimator> anyway, my latest story: I ran out of space on hda1, hence, need to resize the partitions. - I was told to use parted. BUT, when I try to run parted, I get an error:  parted: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libparted-1.6.so.13: undefined symbol: __gnu_ldivmod_helper
Jun 15 13:20:33 <daurnimator> dcordes: you were helping me with it last night
Jun 15 13:20:38 <daurnimator> now I'm more coherrant
Jun 15 13:21:53 <dcordes> daurnimator, as I said, I never tried to repartition my internal flash since my akita has only 64mo or so
Jun 15 13:22:31 <dcordes> I will try to run parted on my machine though
Jun 15 13:23:02 <Zero_Chaos> !oebug 2492
Jun 15 13:23:09 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2492, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-06-15 06:21
Jun 15 13:23:11 <cdbot2> * * r.farina(AT)adelphia.net: cups-1.2.10-r0
Jun 15 13:23:13 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2492
Jun 15 13:23:22 <Zero_Chaos> if anyone wants to be a pal, cups needs a quick fix.  I outlined the solution
Jun 15 13:24:41 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, I always thought you were one of the maintainers 
Jun 15 13:25:46 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I am, for a few wireless things, but I am no one special, and I don't even have commit access.
Jun 15 13:26:04 <daurnimator> Zero_Chaos: are you able to help with my error/problem?
Jun 15 13:26:24 <dcordes> ah commit access. That's the term I was looking for
Jun 15 13:26:39 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: nope.
Jun 15 13:26:42 <dcordes> daurnimator, your problem somehow sounds like a bug
Jun 15 13:26:48 <dcordes> since you can't even run parted
Jun 15 13:27:13 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: I advise against resizing your partitions.  if you are low on space, use a sd card.
Jun 15 13:27:55 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, I ordered one of those lernmar clones
Jun 15 13:28:01 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: cool
Jun 15 13:28:05 <dcordes> hope it will arrive tomorrow
Jun 15 13:28:12 <dcordes> thanks for the advise again
Jun 15 13:28:35 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: mine came with a "PSP" power plug, which works for the Zaurus :-)
Jun 15 13:29:05 <dcordes> the one I ordered is sold as an iPod external battery..
Jun 15 13:29:17 <dcordes> don't know what kind of dc jack the iPods have
Jun 15 13:30:23 <dcordes> in case it doesn't fit I will make a cable
Jun 15 13:30:47 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, can you power the akita and wifi stick at the same time?
Jun 15 13:30:53 <Zero_Chaos> ipods don't have dc power
Jun 15 13:31:00 <dcordes> oh
Jun 15 13:31:02 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: with a usb 2.0 micro hub ;-)
Jun 15 13:31:25 <dcordes> ah I see- cause there are only 2 usb jacks right?
Jun 15 13:31:40 <dcordes> and one is used for the psp cable when you charge the z?
Jun 15 13:31:54 <daurnimator> Zero_Chaos: uh, are you serious?
Jun 15 13:32:58 <daurnimator> I unfortnatly made hda3 5.5gb, with hda1 140mb and hda2 40mb
Jun 15 13:33:06 <daurnimator> I have nothing on hda3
Jun 15 13:33:14 <daurnimator> and will never really have more than 200mb
Jun 15 13:33:24 <daurnimator> whereas I would like hda1 to be at least 600mb
Jun 15 13:33:32 <daurnimator> also, I use the SD slot :P
Jun 15 13:34:34 <daurnimator> hardly the place for commonly used applications
Jun 15 13:35:50 <daurnimator> infact
Jun 15 13:36:03 <daurnimator> /hda3 is mount at /media
Jun 15 13:36:15 <daurnimator> I'll NEVER put a file in there....
Jun 15 13:40:22 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: oh, in that case I guess you can do that
Jun 15 13:40:28 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: you have 3200 then?
Jun 15 13:40:33 <daurnimator> yes :P
Jun 15 13:41:08 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: well since this is a developer lounge, I'd suggest you "bitbake parted" and then install the package ;-)
Jun 15 13:42:48 <summatusmentis> I always forget this is a dev lounge
Jun 15 13:43:01 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: read the topic :-P
Jun 15 13:43:42 <summatusmentis> Zero_Chaos: I know, but the #openzaurus channel is/was a " user discussion/support channel" and I guess I just carry that over
Jun 15 13:43:45 * dcordes is bitbakin some food
Jun 15 13:44:12 * summatusmentis is wishin' he knew what to do after he gets the gdb output
Jun 15 13:45:04 <summatusmentis> actually, does anyone know of a way to force an install of a bitbaked .ipk even though it's got the same PR/version number as the one in the feeds?
Jun 15 13:47:19 <psokolovsky> summatusmentis: there're bunch of force options in ipkg
Jun 15 13:47:42 <summatusmentis> psokolovsky: yeah, I've looked at a lot of them
Jun 15 13:51:29 <summatusmentis> I'm getting "Multiple packages providing same name HOLD or PREFER. Using latest"
Jun 15 13:51:48 <daurnimator> just -force-remove the old pacjage
Jun 15 13:51:53 <daurnimator> and install the new one afresh
Jun 15 13:52:05 <daurnimator> Zero_Chaos: could you please do that for me? I don't have the dev env setup
Jun 15 13:52:08 <summatusmentis> and "Package md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt"
Jun 15 13:52:17 <summatusmentis> daurnimator: I've tried that, but I'll try again
Jun 15 13:52:22 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: no, I can't
Jun 15 13:53:28 <daurnimator> btw, I have the full knowledge of how to restore the zaurus from NOTHING if someone ever needs help
Jun 15 14:00:41 <daurnimator> also
Jun 15 14:00:51 <daurnimator> the gstreamer feed is broken AFAICS
Jun 15 14:02:56 <summatusmentis> daurnimator: the -force-remove and install new didn't work
Jun 15 14:03:09 <daurnimator> oh, and when I plug in the zaurus into my pc (windows) the zaurus completely freezes
Jun 15 14:03:26 <daurnimator> nothing fixes the freeze
Jun 15 14:03:35 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: I know there is a way to install an ipk and ignore the feeds... but I don't know how ;-)
Jun 15 14:03:50 <daurnimator> summatusmentis: what error(s)
Jun 15 14:03:53 <Zero_Chaos> daurnimator: no one cares, if it is not on the bug tracker, it's not a bug
Jun 15 14:04:21 <summatusmentis> <summatusmentis> I'm getting "Multiple packages providing same name HOLD or PREFER. Using latest"
Jun 15 14:04:26 <summatusmentis> <summatusmentis> and "Package md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt"
Jun 15 14:04:39 <daurnimator> summatusmentis: are you giving it the path to the ipk?
Jun 15 14:04:40 <summatusmentis> Zero_Chaos: lol, alright :-P
Jun 15 14:04:46 <summatusmentis> it's in the same dir
Jun 15 14:04:49 <daurnimator> I don't see how that could happen if the path is given
Jun 15 14:08:51 <daurnimator> Zero_Chaos: do usb mass storage devices work?
Jun 15 14:08:58 <daurnimator> or is the feature not implemented?
Jun 15 14:09:32 <Zero_Chaos> should work, if you have the power to run it.
Jun 15 14:09:40 <Zero_Chaos> I find my usb power doesn't provide much power
Jun 15 14:10:06 <daurnimator> well, i'm not getting the connected light on my drive...
Jun 15 14:10:23 <Zero_Chaos> in that case, maybe not enough power
Jun 15 14:13:23 <daurnimator> shouldn't be
Jun 15 14:13:28 <daurnimator> not even a mouse is working
Jun 15 14:13:36 <daurnimator> they have always worked under OZ...
Jun 15 14:14:23 <Zero_Chaos> that was improper.  the kernel knows the port is unpowered and as such, you need a powered hub or an injector.  you can also hack the kernel
Jun 15 14:15:05 <daurnimator> btw, where is the list of feeds?
Jun 15 14:15:25 <Zero_Chaos> have you read the wiki at all?
Jun 15 14:15:26 <Zero_Chaos> no?
Jun 15 14:15:31 <daurnimator> which wiki?
Jun 15 14:15:44 <Zero_Chaos> www.angstrom-distribution.org
Jun 15 14:15:56 <daurnimator> no >.<
Jun 15 14:16:00 <daurnimator> i didn't know there was one
Jun 15 14:18:24 <Zero_Chaos> wow, you find irc, but not a simple website. Impressive
Jun 15 14:19:11 <daurnimator> I've been in here for a few months on and off
Jun 15 14:19:17 <daurnimator> only found the site a week or so ago
Jun 15 14:23:07 <daurnimator> ok
Jun 15 14:23:10 <daurnimator> I enabled the usb module
Jun 15 14:23:20 <daurnimator> and checking dmesg, the drive was detected
Jun 15 14:23:33 <daurnimator> now.... how do I mount it? I don't know which device it is...
Jun 15 14:23:54 <daurnimator> I have no new sda, hdb, etc AFAIK
Jun 15 14:27:04 <NAbyss> daurnimator: modprobe usb-storage
Jun 15 14:28:32 <daurnimator> NAbyss: then which device is it?
Jun 15 14:28:50 <NAbyss> daurnimator: dmesg|tail
Jun 15 14:29:54 <daurnimator> uh
Jun 15 14:30:22 <daurnimator> where do I look?
Jun 15 14:31:10 <NAbyss> daurnimator: There should be a message with the device that's been detected
Jun 15 14:31:19 <NAbyss> If not.. then you don't have the appropriate modules loaded.
Jun 15 14:31:27 <daurnimator> oh, <5>scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access         Jetflash SN###      8.07 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Jun 15 14:31:30 <NAbyss> IIRC, you'll need usb-ohci, usb-storage, sd
Jun 15 14:31:54 <daurnimator> NAbyss: heaps of msgs there - detects it, realises its scsi, finds s/n
Jun 15 14:31:55 <NAbyss> There should be something beyond that with the partition layout
Jun 15 14:32:09 <daurnimator> but.... Nothing about what device it becomes AfAICS
Jun 15 14:32:54 <NAbyss> Something like this..
Jun 15 14:32:55 <NAbyss>  sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3
Jun 15 14:32:56 <NAbyss> sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb
Jun 15 14:32:56 <NAbyss> usb-storage: device scan complete
Jun 15 14:33:49 <NAbyss> If not, you're probably missing a kernel module or it's not being detected as a mass storage device
Jun 15 14:33:50 * daurnimator opens a browser to pastbin it :P
Jun 15 14:34:01 <NAbyss> lsusb -v should give a bit more info.
Jun 15 14:34:06 <daurnimator> wait...
Jun 15 14:34:15 <daurnimator> can you copy/paste in  aterminal?
Jun 15 14:34:22 <daurnimator> I didn't think you could on the zaurus
Jun 15 14:34:54 <NAbyss> If you have a 3-button mouse, or the gpe applet to do it, yes.
Jun 15 14:35:02 <daurnimator> lol
Jun 15 14:35:04 <NAbyss> lsusb -v should show a device with bDeviceClass 8
Jun 15 14:35:27 <NAbyss> Anyways.. back to work.
Jun 15 14:38:35 <daurnimator> NAbyss / Zero_Chaos: http://pastebin.ca/568398
Jun 15 14:39:12 <daurnimator> lsusb -v is a mile long...
Jun 15 14:40:29 <daurnimator> NAbyss: here is my lsusb: http://pastebin.ca/568403
Jun 15 14:40:50 <daurnimator> see line 32: bInterfaceClass         8 Mass Storage
Jun 15 14:42:00 <dcordes> is there a key combination for switchin between windows?
Jun 15 14:48:47 <dcordes> (in gpe)
Jun 15 14:49:02 * daurnimator waits for the answer too
Jun 15 14:51:33 <Laibsch> The key pad plus shift, I believe
Jun 15 14:51:50 <Laibsch> But there is a bug that it does not always work
Jun 15 14:51:57 <daurnimator> key pad?
Jun 15 14:52:00 <Laibsch> It is documented in the bug tracker
Jun 15 14:52:15 <Laibsch> daurnimator: the arrow key pad
Jun 15 14:52:28 <daurnimator> any particular direction?
Jun 15 14:52:53 <Laibsch> Let to decrease
Jun 15 14:52:56 <Laibsch> left
Jun 15 14:53:04 <Laibsch> right to increase the number of the VT
Jun 15 14:54:29 <daurnimator> uh, isn't that virtual terminals
Jun 15 14:54:32 <daurnimator> not WINDOWS?
Jun 15 14:54:58 <dcordes> hm hm
Jun 15 15:40:24 <Laibsch> I thought you wanted to switch VT
Jun 15 15:40:44 <Laibsch> You are looking for the equivalent of "Alt+Tab"?
Jun 15 15:40:49 <Laibsch> no idea, then
Jun 15 16:18:28 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jun 15 16:20:53 <summatusmentis> hi cdbot2 
Jun 15 16:20:59 <summatusmentis> damn it, I do that every time
Jun 15 16:21:01 <summatusmentis> hi CoreDump|home 
Jun 15 16:21:09 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: hehe
Jun 15 16:21:28 <summatusmentis> :-P
Jun 15 17:49:26 <B0ssman> hello
Jun 15 17:49:58 <B0ssman> who can edit http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ?
Jun 15 17:50:07 <B0ssman> there is a mistake on the site
Jun 15 17:50:22 <B0ssman> BBFILES := "/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb" 
Jun 15 17:50:27 <B0ssman> should be without a :
Jun 15 17:53:14 <Laibsch> why do you think so?
Jun 15 17:54:50 <B0ssman> i couldnt build anything until i removed it
Jun 15 17:55:33 <koen> the website is correct
Jun 15 17:55:58 <B0ssman> hmm
Jun 15 17:56:21 <B0ssman> strange
Jun 15 17:58:11 <B0ssman> well it does not compile with the : for me
Jun 15 18:57:21 <mimecar> hi
Jun 15 18:57:32 <mimecar> what's the angstrom status for zaurus c1000?
Jun 15 18:57:41 <Zero_Chaos> it works
Jun 15 18:57:44 <Zero_Chaos> stable
Jun 15 18:57:50 <Zero_Chaos> but missing a lot of bells and whistles
Jun 15 18:57:57 <mimecar> ?
Jun 15 18:58:20 <mimecar> can be used on real work or only for testing?
Jun 15 18:59:01 <NAbyss> mimecar: I'm using my 3100 as a working pda here with angstrom and gpe..
Jun 15 18:59:10 <NAbyss> apache, abiword, gpsdrive etc..
Jun 15 18:59:26 <mimecar> can you use some mp3 player ?
Jun 15 19:00:23 <mimecar> NAbyss: I need, a calendar app, mp3 and wifi working
Jun 15 19:07:08 <NAbyss> mimecar: I use madplay on the CLI for music; I'm not one much for gui apps
Jun 15 19:07:14 <NAbyss> gpe-calendar will do the PIM stuff
Jun 15 19:07:18 <NAbyss> wifi I'm pretty sure works
Jun 15 19:08:31 <mimecar> what do in need to install angstrom ?
Jun 15 19:10:13 <NAbyss> Same as you would for OZ.. grab one of the images, dump it on a CF card, and flash away
Jun 15 19:10:41 <mimecar> will i have the same system with OZ / GPE and angstrom?
Jun 15 19:11:34 <Zero_Chaos> mimecar: mostly, yes
Jun 15 19:12:01 <mimecar> can i use another languages than english actually?
Jun 15 19:12:11 <NAbyss> No idea
Jun 15 19:12:14 <NAbyss> I'd assume so
Jun 15 19:12:19 <mimecar> ok
Jun 15 19:13:09 <mimecar> is the package manager working ?
Jun 15 19:13:19 <mimecar> re summatusmentis
Jun 15 19:13:23 <NAbyss> Not sure on that account.. I'm more a CLI person
Jun 15 19:13:32 <mimecar> ok
Jun 15 19:19:59 <mimecar> openzaurs and angstrom on the same zaurus :-X
Jun 15 19:20:35 <mimecar> i get a kernel panic
Jun 15 19:24:37 <mimecar> i can't flash
Jun 15 19:47:20 <mimecar> i got it owrking :)
Jun 15 21:01:11 <miip> hi
Jun 15 21:02:56 <miip> is there a kernel-module-orinoco-cs for simpad? or can i use one for another device?
Jun 15 21:32:50 <mimecar> re
Jun 15 21:32:57 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Jun 15 21:42:27 <mimecar> what's the web page for bugtracker?
Jun 15 21:43:01 <polyonymous> bugs.openembedded.org ?
Jun 15 21:43:12 <mimecar> for angstrom also?
Jun 15 21:43:16 <polyonymous> yes
Jun 15 21:43:25 <mimecar> ok, thanks
Jun 15 21:44:26 <Laibsch> ~bts
Jun 15 21:47:51 <mimecar> my first bug :)
Jun 15 21:48:30 <mimecar> there're many updates, interesting...
Jun 15 21:53:04 <Laibsch> mimecar: Welcome to the club.
Jun 15 21:53:07 <Laibsch> Well done
Jun 15 21:53:26 <mimecar> is a mistake on feed link
Jun 15 21:53:37 <mimecar> gstreamer search on the folder gsteamer
Jun 15 21:53:59 <polyonymous> The list of components in bugzilla is somewhat funny :)
Jun 15 21:54:46 <mimecar> if i can halt the system with angstrom, i'll be happy
Jun 15 21:55:42 <mimecar> stopping task => pflush not stopped, jffs2...ipkg not stopped.. :(
Jun 15 22:04:55 <mimecar> zaurus is halting :)
Jun 15 22:05:25 <mimecar> it's increible
Jun 15 22:05:58 <summatusmentis> mimecar: yours wouldn't shut down?
Jun 15 22:06:45 <mimecar> before upgrade system, it doesn't
Jun 15 22:07:07 <summatusmentis> weird, upgrades are always good :-P
Jun 15 22:07:42 <mimecar> there were many updated packages
Jun 15 22:08:06 <summatusmentis> I'm sure there were
Jun 15 22:09:06 <Laibsch> mimecar: I think that bug has already been reported
Jun 15 22:09:17 <mimecar> and it's fixed
Jun 15 22:10:17 <mimecar> second bug I found this night is fixed also
Jun 15 22:18:31 <Laibsch> mimecar: is the fixed package in the feed?
Jun 15 22:19:00 <mimecar> yes
Jun 15 22:19:31 <mimecar> i thought program crashed after load a folder with spanish characters
Jun 15 22:20:28 <mimecar> Laibsch: do you know if matchbox can change separation betwwen icons ?
Jun 15 22:20:43 <Laibsch> no
Jun 15 22:20:48 <Laibsch> I don't know
Jun 15 22:21:04 <mimecar> ok
Jun 15 22:23:00 <mimecar> night all
Jun 16 02:17:44 <Zero_Chaos> anyone around that can give me a hand with a CONFFILES = issue?
Jun 16 02:35:27 <Zero_Chaos> I'd about kill for a hand here, I have a few things ready for commit save this bloody conffiles issue....
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