**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 30 02:59:57 2007 Jun 30 09:36:51 hey koen Jun 30 09:38:40 hey pH5 Jun 30 09:55:22 is wlancfg packaged with the akita x11 image? i installed a package which complains that wlancfg could not be found Jun 30 09:55:50 wlancfg? Jun 30 09:55:54 Not iwconfig? Jun 30 09:56:27 yeah wlancfg not iwconfig Jun 30 09:56:55 Hm, never heard of it.. sounds like it's a driver-specific wlan util Jun 30 09:57:13 hmm Jun 30 09:57:31 is wlancfg use for prism based chipsets? Jun 30 09:57:57 Doubt it.. I've only ever used iwconfig w/ my prism2 card Jun 30 09:58:32 NAbyss : ever tried the aircrack-ng suite? this is the program i getting the error with Jun 30 09:58:59 only wlan-ng ships wlancfg, so I think that error is harmless Jun 30 09:59:07 TheCreat0r: Can't say that I have Jun 30 09:59:12 http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=wlancfg&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386 Jun 30 09:59:30 koen : so it wont affect how it works? Jun 30 09:59:46 if it does the aircrack-ng people are morons Jun 30 10:01:01 koen : i cant seem to capture arp requests, i get this error just after i run the application Jun 30 10:01:11 even though my laptop can Jun 30 10:33:31 Does anyone else use Angstrom on a Zaurus 5500? Jun 30 10:53:40 when i first insert my WCF12 wifi card into my c1000 it starts up in master mode using the hostap driver, then when i attempt to use iwconfig to put it into managed or monitor mode i get the error: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06), SET failed on device wlan0 ; operation not supported Jun 30 10:53:52 i've googled it for ages and had no success Jun 30 10:53:57 im also running as root Jun 30 10:54:19 any reason why this is happening? Jun 30 10:54:22 TheCreat0r: Which interface? Jun 30 10:54:26 wlan0 Jun 30 10:54:27 wifi0 or wlan0? Jun 30 10:54:32 Try it on wifi0? Jun 30 10:55:11 sec Jun 30 10:58:35 NAbyss : when i use wifi0, i can switch it to monitor mode but then when i try and set the channel i get errors, just like above but with SET Frequency Jun 30 10:58:51 error is: Jun 30 10:58:55 TheCreat0r: Set the channel on wlan0, iirc Jun 30 10:59:04 wifi0 controls hostap, from memory Jun 30 10:59:22 Error for wireless request "set frequency" (8B04) : SET failed on device wifi0 ; invalid argument Jun 30 10:59:31 oh Jun 30 11:00:07 i get the same error when i attempt to set channel on wlan0 Jun 30 11:01:39 Hmm Jun 30 11:01:49 No idea Jun 30 11:02:13 NAbyss : why invalid argument? Jun 30 11:02:30 iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor should be ok right/ Jun 30 11:02:31 TheCreat0r: Might not be applicable to monitor mode? Jun 30 11:02:41 Dunno.. I don't do much sniffing with my card Jun 30 11:03:10 NAbyss : maybe try changing the essid and channel before changing to monitor mode? ill try it out Jun 30 11:15:05 im out of luck Jun 30 11:15:08 bah Jun 30 11:15:50 do you have the latest prisms firmware scripts? Jun 30 11:16:21 e.g. 'ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade' Jun 30 11:16:42 koen : not sure, im using angstrom x11 akita, yeah, i have upgraded Jun 30 11:27:57 Do any of you guys have experience with the Collie images Jun 30 11:40:29 When an Angstrom image is .tar.gz format can those files be renamed to initrd.bin to be used for flashing? Jun 30 11:41:01 No Jun 30 11:41:07 That's just a tarball of the root fs Jun 30 11:41:20 i.e. hdimage1.tgz Jun 30 11:42:28 So how can I convert that into something suitable for flashing Jun 30 11:42:42 cybane: IMAGE_FSTYPE in your local.conf, iirc Jun 30 11:43:00 Er, IMAGE_FSTYPES Jun 30 11:43:05 Depends on your target Jun 30 11:43:16 Typically, it'll either be tar.gz or jffs2 Jun 30 11:43:46 Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070604-collie.rootfs.tar.gz This is the file I want to use for my 5500 Jun 30 11:44:20 You'd have to ask someone else about the 5500.. I've only got a clamshell here, but I've a suspicion that you'd need a jffs2 image for the 5500 Jun 30 11:45:32 When I was using OpenZaurus you took the two files changed the zImage.bin to zImage and the file system file to initrd.bin. Tried searching the net and have found little help Jun 30 11:51:33 cybane, it is the same procedure with the angstrom images. Just that those have a little different naming Jun 30 11:51:43 cybane, which image do you want to install? Jun 30 11:56:49 the x11 one Jun 30 11:57:33 I am unsure though, due to lack of documentation, if the files will all fit on the ROM since I do not want to brick or risk a brick of my device Jun 30 11:59:02 cybane, no I mean device and release date. Give me the url Jun 30 11:59:57 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070604/ Jun 30 12:02:17 cybane, obviously, in that release there is no x11 image file. Only a gzipped one which I think you can't use for flashing (please correct me if I'm wrong) Jun 30 12:02:41 dcordes: correct, afaik Jun 30 12:02:48 hello Jun 30 12:02:50 Unless you muck around with mkfs.jffs2 etc etc Jun 30 12:02:53 So the only available image for collie right now is through console? Jun 30 12:02:58 also there is no updater-collie.sh but that can also be used from another release since it doesn't change afaik Jun 30 12:03:07 cybane, no take the older release Jun 30 12:03:15 ore compile a new one! Jun 30 12:03:31 I mad a script, to install and dienstall all the stuff I wanted. Jun 30 12:03:34 oh sorry Jun 30 12:03:44 One for opie, the other for GPE. Jun 30 12:03:55 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1570 anyone run into this bug recently? Jun 30 12:04:05 cybane, I checked the other releases and obviously there is really only that X11 tarball Jun 30 12:04:24 Case someone is interested.... Jun 30 12:05:20 dcordes: Are you recommending I use the .jffs2 and zImage from that dir or from a different dir Jun 30 12:06:20 cybane: Does your collie Jun 30 12:06:30 cybane: Does your collie-image recognize sd-cards ??? Jun 30 12:07:06 cybane, if so, install the console image, install altboot and boot from your sd card. (the x11.tar.gz) Jun 30 12:07:50 Well this really isnt my image Jun 30 12:07:59 dcordes: That will not work. Jun 30 12:08:05 I am not fully sure of it's abilities Jun 30 12:08:13 vanguard, why? Jun 30 12:08:33 I tried several sd-cards with altboot and collie: no success. Jun 30 12:08:47 They are not recognized. Jun 30 12:09:11 I had to use a CF-card, to get altboot installed. Jun 30 12:09:28 It was very hard ! Jun 30 12:09:40 well I only know my akita but here it works fine Jun 30 12:10:02 The same problem is with akita: several sd-cards, none is working fine. Jun 30 12:10:10 * cybane is saving up for a 3000 Jun 30 12:10:36 The problem is in the kernel, I think, not in the image itself. Jun 30 12:11:03 vanguard, you already told me about that. Here it is just working fine. It is either your devices or you are doing something wrong Jun 30 12:11:07 I guess the second one Jun 30 12:11:27 cybane, the best solution would be to compile an image set yourself Jun 30 12:11:36 No, even, whern unpacking the files manually, it will not work. Jun 30 12:11:48 cybane, or just bug the devs maybe they will release a new one Jun 30 12:12:07 I have differnt manufacturers. And remember: With openzaurus all are working !! Jun 30 12:12:24 vanguard, yea angstrom is worst crap1! Jun 30 12:12:39 True but I have not done any building software since I graduated college 2 years ago Jun 30 12:12:56 No, I only try to explain, that there are still problems. Jun 30 12:12:58 I am using this as a way to get back into writing code and working with hardware Jun 30 12:13:49 cybane, it is not that hard. Simply follow the instructions on www.angstrom-distribution.org Jun 30 12:14:10 vanguard, not for me concerning SD card (same device??) Jun 30 12:14:26 but instead of frequently yelling that it doesn't work, did you yet file a bug? Jun 30 12:14:47 cybane, so what you waiting for? Jun 30 12:15:07 No, before I feedback a bug, I should try to eliminate all possible errors. Jun 30 12:15:41 Nothing Jun 30 12:15:53 So I bought a new sd-card today: same error. Do you think, I should buy a sd-card from all manufacturers ???? Jun 30 12:15:57 Just trying to find a good place to start Jun 30 12:16:13 cybane, obtain monotone and bitbake and just get compiling Jun 30 12:16:30 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/taxonomy/term/4 Jun 30 12:16:43 I should probably get of my windows machine for that and bring up ArchLinux laptop then huh Jun 30 12:17:00 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jun 30 12:17:42 cybane, I read something about the openembedded build enviornment being planed for use with windows but for now you need a *nix Jun 30 12:18:12 Only reason this system is Windows is I hate dealing with *nix and encrypted DVDs and codecs Jun 30 12:18:24 * Laibsch points vanguard to http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 and http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2161 Jun 30 12:18:36 cy Jun 30 12:19:07 cybane, there are distributions which make live easy with all the codec hassle Jun 30 12:19:13 Laibsch: I am already in there. Thanks anyway Jun 30 12:27:37 Well good news I can use the Angstrom image to get a successful console Jun 30 12:33:37 cybane, very good. Now you could install altboot in order to get booting from SD# Jun 30 13:22:56 can you guys recommend a good iec client for akita? Jun 30 13:46:40 If you like CLI.. irssi is good Jun 30 13:55:57 TheCreat0r, hey another akita :) I'm using irssi and xchat Jun 30 14:33:25 dcordes|away : running angstrom or default OZ? Jun 30 14:33:44 TheCreat0r, angstrom Jun 30 14:35:02 dcordes : nice, going to try out irssi Jun 30 14:35:52 dcordes : you happen to run aircrack-ng on there yet? Jun 30 14:36:09 TheCreat0r, ipkg install aircrack-ng Jun 30 14:36:40 works very well Jun 30 14:47:09 dcordes : which version? 0.9? Jun 30 14:48:02 it should automatically install 0.9.1 with ipkg Jun 30 14:48:34 dcordes : also which cf card you using? Jun 30 14:49:28 TheCreat0r, prism2 based, like most of them. guess you also have one. But when it comes to bad signals I'm using my rt73 based usb stick Jun 30 14:50:22 dcordes : easy to install using the usb host cable? Jun 30 14:51:15 TheCreat0r, not that easy: Zaurus usb host has almost no currency. You will need an external 5v battery which provides voltage for it Jun 30 14:51:28 lol Jun 30 14:51:33 oh man Jun 30 14:52:05 dcordes : manage to get ettercap to work? mine just kills everyone net access Jun 30 14:52:43 TheCreat0r, did not try that, sorry. Ask Zero_Chaos about it Jun 30 14:53:02 he's the wifi man Jun 30 14:53:10 :) Jun 30 14:55:51 anyone know the standard flash partition size for akita? Jun 30 14:58:22 mm.... 64MB I think Jun 30 15:02:01 hi Jun 30 15:04:12 <_law_> hi CoreDump|home Jun 30 15:05:51 <_law_> next build problem http://rafb.net/p/3yyAPg21.html Jun 30 15:06:10 <_law_> coreutils-native wont compile any ideas? Jun 30 16:00:40 where the hell are the curly braces on the akita? Jun 30 16:00:59 TheCreat0r, the what? Jun 30 16:01:05 Fn+ a bit to left or right to [] ones Jun 30 16:01:12 dcordes: {} Jun 30 16:01:30 :) ok Jun 30 16:01:42 lol they dont look like curly braces on here Jun 30 16:01:48 hrw : thx dude :) Jun 30 16:02:05 hey, another question related to that, where are insert/delete Jun 30 16:05:02 read /etc/keymap-2.6.map Jun 30 16:05:59 hrw : is it possible to remap the / key so you dont have to first press shift? sorry if this is already documented, its driving me crazy Jun 30 16:06:10 it is Jun 30 16:06:13 read /etc/keymap-2.6.map Jun 30 16:06:18 thx Jun 30 16:06:22 TheCreat0r what do you do for , then :) Jun 30 16:06:32 lol Jun 30 16:06:39 * TheCreat0r will find a way Jun 30 16:06:54 I would personally map / additionally to one of the keys normally used for PIM stuff Jun 30 16:06:59 keymap format is easy Jun 30 16:07:01 you can do that, right? (have it mapped twice) Jun 30 16:07:08 you can Jun 30 16:07:39 Kevin` : good idea Jun 30 16:08:28 lol dont play with the keymap file when your wasted Jun 30 16:08:28 hrw how would I go about compiling the angstrom X server for debian? Jun 30 16:08:40 Kevin`: why you want it? Jun 30 16:08:58 hrw because x.org is really really slow Jun 30 16:09:02 :) Jun 30 16:09:07 and sideways Jun 30 16:09:24 Kevin`: debian use x.org, angstrom use x.org Jun 30 16:09:40 a stripped down version optimized for the hardware, yes? Jun 30 16:11:09 well, kdrive Jun 30 16:18:16 can you turn off wrapping in the terminal? Jun 30 16:21:45 TheCreat0r, you wasted? Jun 30 16:22:40 dcordes : totally Jun 30 16:23:04 i like colors Jun 30 16:25:38 man i love angstrom Jun 30 16:27:01 TheCreat0r, you're welcome Jun 30 16:29:26 dcordes/TheCreat0r: you rang? Jun 30 16:29:56 Zero_Chaos, good day sir, TheCreat0r has problems with ettercap Jun 30 16:30:24 bummer for him Jun 30 16:30:50 * TheCreat0r runs Jun 30 16:31:56 ettercap didn't work last I checked, and I've not worked on that yet. Jun 30 16:36:25 Zero_Chaos : hows imagemagick going? Jun 30 16:36:42 TheCreat0r: 100% as is libtiff and kismet-gpsmap Jun 30 16:36:58 nice Jun 30 16:37:09 TheCreat0r: I'm planning to test it today and then clean it up for submission Jun 30 16:37:13 not much cleaning either Jun 30 16:37:22 I whish I had the money for a new gps device Jun 30 16:37:45 dcordes: how much they going for? Jun 30 16:37:47 dcordes: 75 USD for BU-353 (which is a damn nice gps) Jun 30 16:37:49 can an ipaq h1900 run linux? angstrom? Jun 30 16:38:07 Kevin`: check the openembedded page, but most likely Jun 30 16:40:20 Kevin`, there are some problems in gpe with the smaller displays Jun 30 16:41:03 problems like what? Jun 30 16:41:40 Kevin`, somebody came here and said he had problems with his ipaq in gpe with some windows. Like the pidign configuration screen or so Jun 30 16:42:07 but you can also use opie or a different window manager to get around that Jun 30 16:42:19 if it's minor stuff I don't care much Jun 30 16:42:26 minor stuff. Jun 30 16:42:52 i'm wondering how you install it, though :) Jun 30 16:43:16 Kevin`, there is an instruction for a specific ipaq on the angstrom website. Jun 30 16:43:27 i used hyperterminal Jun 30 16:43:34 pain in the ass Jun 30 16:43:50 Kevin`, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ipaq-h2200-series basically I have no idea about ipaqs. but that product name looks similiar to your one Jun 30 16:43:51 hyperterminal and what? how do you get a shell on the thing or whatever you use to transfer the files Jun 30 16:43:55 nearly bricked it Jun 30 16:44:41 do these things have jtag or a bootloader you can reach over some hidden (or easy to access..) serial port? Jun 30 16:45:34 Kevin` : you use the cradle Jun 30 16:45:43 usb cable? Jun 30 16:45:52 yeah Jun 30 16:46:15 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:0084 Microsoft Corp. Jun 30 16:46:17 how? :) Jun 30 16:46:24 be careful though, ipaq's are horrible when it comes to these things Jun 30 16:47:46 Kevin` : http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7.2/install/ Jun 30 16:47:55 thats basically a walk through Jun 30 16:48:05 br sure to read it all first Jun 30 16:48:30 but ofcourse thats for familiar linux (which i just flashed) Jun 30 16:55:53 bye Jun 30 17:19:36 hmm Jun 30 17:19:53 houston, we`ve got a problem :) Jun 30 17:20:10 anyone recently did opie-image builds? Jun 30 17:24:34 very few people do Jun 30 17:28:26 Darth_Wader: polyonymous, psokolovsky and me Jun 30 17:28:46 What the problem is? Jun 30 17:29:16 OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lqte Jun 30 17:29:20 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Jun 30 17:29:21 make: *** [libqpe.so.1.5.0] Error 1 Jun 30 17:29:22 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jun 30 17:29:27 when building libqpe-opie Jun 30 17:30:00 did you follow the angstromwithopie? Jun 30 17:30:22 I mean opiewithangstrom Jun 30 17:30:57 probably not ;-) Jun 30 17:31:30 hmm.. Jun 30 17:31:49 Darth_Wader, http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpieWithAngstrom Jun 30 17:32:09 i`m already there Jun 30 17:32:14 ah ok Jun 30 17:34:02 btw, is there any recent news from opie2? Jun 30 17:34:31 not much. I'm not impressed with what I've seen of it. Jun 30 17:34:38 Is 128MB enough space for a full x11 image of Angstrom? Jun 30 17:34:59 for collie? Jun 30 17:36:03 cybane: more than enough Jun 30 17:37:28 Ahh Zero_Chaos glad you are here Jun 30 17:38:19 cybane: liar, no one is glad I'm here Jun 30 17:40:35 well here is what I am planning on doing Jun 30 17:40:46 * CoreDump|home just got e17 running Jun 30 17:41:10 Using my extra SD card to run an angstrom image off of while I use OZ from the ROM of the 5500 Jun 30 17:41:17 CoreDump|home: which device? Jun 30 17:41:22 spitz Jun 30 17:42:28 CoreDump|home: I would love you forever if that build worked for me Jun 30 17:42:39 heh Jun 30 17:43:09 cybane: perhaps it's best to run Angstrom (updated kernel) in the flash, then have an SD for angstrom-x11 and an SD of OZ Jun 30 17:43:14 It involves some uglyness to get it working. Also my build-env appears to be contaminated Jun 30 17:43:19 cybane: if you only want opie, you can do that in angstrom Jun 30 17:43:51 CoreDump|home: well, updates that allow me to compile angstrom-e-image are appreciated, if you need tests, just ping me. Jun 30 17:43:58 CoreDump|home: akita btw Jun 30 17:44:20 angstrom-e-image is completely broken :\ I used an X11 image as base Jun 30 17:44:45 CoreDump|home: heh, well, fix it however you like ;-) Jun 30 17:45:21 It would be nice to use only Angstrom however, I would like it to be able to boot without any memory cards Jun 30 17:45:38 cybane: that's why you put console-image in the flash ;-) Jun 30 17:45:59 then run the x11 off of the SD card? Jun 30 17:46:03 aye Jun 30 17:46:21 Zero_Chaos, you aren't able to compile angstrom-e-image? I was able to build it, but it didn't run properly. Not that I tried hard. Jun 30 17:46:52 polyonymous: I typed "angstrom-e-image" and one of the native things failed, at that point I say, "It's broke" and stopped Jun 30 17:47:01 hm Jun 30 17:47:11 polyonymous: I'm happy to help work on it, but I have no experience with this one. Jun 30 17:47:32 Zero_Chaos, lemme see if I have some uncomitted patches... Jun 30 17:47:43 NOTE: package ecore-native-0.9.9.038: failed Jun 30 17:48:04 Zero_Chaos: one -native package does not stage a required header, you can copy the header from the non-native staging includes Jun 30 17:48:19 no, I don't think I have anything related. lemme try build then. Jun 30 17:48:24 also the login manager is unusable Jun 30 17:48:40 CoreDump|home, that's what was my problem, I think Jun 30 17:48:53 CoreDump|home: um, that kinda makes it a bit harder, no login manager Jun 30 17:49:09 if either of you want to push the staging fix, I'd be happy to test the e-image Jun 30 17:49:13 one could launch e via the GPE login-manager Jun 30 17:50:44 * polyonymous builds something Jun 30 17:52:03 Zero_Chaos: Do you know where I can documentation how to setup Angstrom in the manner you suggest? The wiki have very limited information Jun 30 17:52:50 cybane: altboot I presume Jun 30 17:56:51 okay going to read up on it Jun 30 17:59:57 Is there something special I should know here? I have several usb devices and I plug them into my powered usb hub connected to my akita and the akita doesn't care Jun 30 18:00:05 I manually probe the modules, and still, nada Jun 30 18:00:38 Zero_Chaos: rmmod g_* ; modprobe ohci_hcd Jun 30 18:00:50 g_ether? Jun 30 18:00:57 Zero_Chaos, you on you akita? Jun 30 18:01:04 dcordes: yes Jun 30 18:01:05 all of the g_* stuff Jun 30 18:01:21 Zero_Chaos, could you please do me a favor and checkout if your speaker is working or not? Jun 30 18:01:42 CoreDump|home: only have g_ether Jun 30 18:02:59 CoreDump|home: sweet, that worked great, thanks! now, why did I have to do that? Jun 30 18:03:12 dcordes: It did in OZ, last I check in Angstrom it did not... allow a quick test Jun 30 18:03:34 because your USB port defaults to USB client mode (g_ether) to allow USB networking out of the box Jun 30 18:03:56 also the client modules (g_*) conflict with the host module (ohci_hcd) Jun 30 18:04:12 CoreDump|home: ahh, and if I want my usb port to default to being a real usb port by default? is there a something I can toggle? Jun 30 18:04:25 yes, hold on Jun 30 18:04:48 CoreDump|home: thanks Jun 30 18:05:37 CoreDump|home, does your speaker work? (3200 right?) Jun 30 18:05:51 dcordes: yes (and yes) Jun 30 18:07:02 Zero_Chaos: you have stumbled over a missing feature. At this time you can not load ohci_hcd by default w/o messing with modules.d manually. I shall fix that later today Jun 30 18:07:32 dcordes: akitas speaker should work as well Jun 30 18:07:50 CoreDump|home: I would sincerely appreciate it if you told me when you have it fixed (and obviously how to use it). I would be THRILLED to test it for you Jun 30 18:09:23 * Zero_Chaos is not getting speaker noise Jun 30 18:11:20 sorry disconnect Jun 30 18:11:22 CoreDump|home, thing is my earphone is working but the speaker is silent. in alsamixer the speaker switch is set to on but I can't control the speaker volume right to it Jun 30 18:11:41 agreed Jun 30 18:11:49 Zero_Chaos, same for you? Jun 30 18:12:22 dcordes__: aye Jun 30 18:12:37 dcordes: sounds like your are missing a few updates to zaurusd and alsa-state Jun 30 18:12:58 CoreDump|home: I am not missing anything as of about 30 minutes ago Jun 30 18:14:57 delete /etc/asound.state and force a reinstall of alsa-state Jun 30 18:15:22 CoreDump|home: I just built the image like thirty minutes ago... Jun 30 18:15:27 hmmm Jun 30 18:16:05 CoreDump|home: be a pal... Jun 30 18:16:05 mtn: 46bdfedbe1ecde1685daaddc2f0b8a46939f17c4 pfalcon@openembedded.org 2007-06-30T18:02:04 Jun 30 18:16:05 mtn: a9f71cc95c8e90532857f0e7981e9adff50d3ef2 coredump2@openembedded.org 2007-06-30T17:56:15 Jun 30 18:16:09 I don't have time to look into that now. Maybe I'll catch you later? Jun 30 18:16:18 CoreDump|home: I'm here a lot, and willing to help Jun 30 18:16:51 CoreDump|home: to be honest, using my usb ports is of a much higher priority than the speaker, but I'm happy to help with both Jun 30 18:18:33 Zero_Chaos, did your usb stop working since latest build? Jun 30 18:20:14 dcordes__: i've not really been testing it with angstrom, I just got all the modules built as I wanted them. Jun 30 18:20:24 dcordes__: now I need the zd1211 firmware to build ;-) Jun 30 18:21:08 hmm nmap for akita seems to br b0rked Jun 30 18:21:14 wont ping scan Jun 30 18:21:43 says starting nmap, and just doesn't do anything Jun 30 18:21:53 TheCreat0r: nmap in OE is ANCIENT Jun 30 18:22:12 why is it in the feed Jun 30 18:22:26 TheCreat0r: I said ancient, I didn't say borked Jun 30 18:22:31 cause Zero_Chaos is lazy ass Jun 30 18:22:34 tis b0rked Jun 30 18:22:49 dcordes__: I don't have commit, so nothing is my fault ;-)\ Jun 30 18:22:53 -\ Jun 30 18:23:01 easy tiger Jun 30 18:23:31 Zero_Chaos: I've pushed an updated usb-gadget-mode to ewi. After installing, edit /etc/default/usb-gadget and set USB_MODE to "hostmode". After that your Z default to host-mode after a reboot Jun 30 18:24:19 CoreDump|bbl: thanks, by chance can you build something into the build system for that later? Jun 30 18:24:43 ? Jun 30 18:25:07 CoreDump|bbl: like USB_MODE="hostmode" in conf/local.conf Jun 30 18:26:15 I'm off - some kids try to have a lan party but don't get any signal from their AP lol Jun 30 18:26:22 I don't think that would be a good idea. If you want your images to default to something else, just edit the spitz config file in packages/usb-gadget-mode. Anyway, gotta go Jun 30 18:26:30 dcordes|away : hf Jun 30 18:27:15 CoreDump|bbl: thanks again, I can handle that. (if I can figure it out :-) ) Jun 30 18:31:09 ya for compiling software Jun 30 18:32:27 CoreDump|bbl: yup, I figured it out, thanks ;-) Jun 30 18:45:22 I think I am going to stick with OZ until I get Angstrom working the way I need it due to it acting very interestingly and would rather keep it restricted to a flash media Jun 30 18:46:14 cybane: what machine? Jun 30 18:47:39 5500 Jun 30 18:48:08 oh wow... I can't get the console image to flash on my collie, haven't yet tried the opie image I built Jun 30 18:48:20 the console image flashes on mine Jun 30 18:48:29 However, it has some interesting behavior Jun 30 18:48:52 summatusmentis: Are you using a CF card or SD? Jun 30 18:50:31 using a CF to flash it Jun 30 18:51:03 How are you naming your files? What is the kind of FS do you have on it? Jun 30 18:52:01 initrd.bin and zImage.bin, vfat Jun 30 18:52:25 change zImage.bin to just zImage and reflash using C+D Reset Jun 30 18:52:46 oh... hrr Jun 30 18:52:48 I guess that makes sense Jun 30 18:53:13 Yeah if I knew anything about wikis I would start a Angstrom 5500 page but I am new to this whole thing Jun 30 18:55:22 I can work on it later... can't right now though, I'll look into it later Jun 30 18:57:12 c+d, reset, then when lights go off, reset again, right? Jun 30 19:00:17 Plug in the 5500, insert CF, C+D reset (make sure you have C+D down first), lights come on when they both go off or atleast the green go ahead and reset Jun 30 19:00:39 yep, ok Jun 30 19:00:40 See the part I do not like is that it will boot right away even before you get it back to normal operation Jun 30 19:00:53 I'm just noticing that now Jun 30 19:02:30 imo the 5500 is still very useable Jun 30 19:02:43 Which is why I own one and will try my best to help the development on it Jun 30 19:03:40 sorry to sound lame but my PATH will not save, even if i export it i cant access it using any other terminals Jun 30 19:03:57 TheCreat0r: erm... how are you setting it? Jun 30 19:04:18 export PATH=$PATH:/sbin <-- for example Jun 30 19:04:34 from the command line? Jun 30 19:04:38 yeah Jun 30 19:04:48 it might be that it's only setting it for that session Jun 30 19:04:58 hmm Jun 30 19:05:02 you'd need to set it in .bashrc for another shell to recognize it Jun 30 19:05:09 PATH is stored in the rc file for the shell Jun 30 19:05:20 i see Jun 30 19:05:28 thx guys Jun 30 19:05:34 sure thing Jun 30 19:05:40 if you do not add it to the bashrc file then it will reload that if you source or reboot Jun 30 19:07:24 cybane : right Jun 30 19:13:14 I hope my wifi card gets here soon Jun 30 19:18:59 * Darth_Wader wonders, what the f... is doing gtk-doc packages in output of bitbake opie-image Jun 30 19:19:01 cybane: you're gonna run into battery issues w/ the collie, just FYI Jun 30 19:19:57 Exmaple please Jun 30 19:20:35 well, w/ the wifi in, I got about 30 mins of batter life Jun 30 19:21:00 Interesting Jun 30 19:21:08 When I was just listening to MP3s I got like 5 hours Jun 30 19:21:38 wifi cards are expensive, energy wise Jun 30 19:21:42 * summatusmentis leaves Jun 30 20:00:28 any of you gets get a core dump when you quit out of irssi? Jun 30 20:01:14 nope Jun 30 20:01:40 version 0.8.10 from the angstrom feed Jun 30 20:01:43 uhmm Jun 30 20:02:03 http://bugs.frugalware.org/?do=details&task_id=380 Jun 30 20:02:13 * Darth_Wader got another problem... now when building opie-image in anstrom way Jun 30 20:02:37 in package coreutils Jun 30 20:02:43 noone had it? Jun 30 20:02:47 Darth_Wader: what are you trying to build? Jun 30 20:02:57 just opie-image Jun 30 20:03:17 for h2200 Jun 30 20:04:49 ohh.. http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 Jun 30 20:05:08 Darth_Wader: I recall something about "opie-16mb-image" or some such Jun 30 20:06:38 i`m not concerned on size of image and iiuc, the -16mb- version are stripped down version of opie-image Jun 30 20:07:08 Darth_Wader: the 16mb version is all that will build in angstrom right now ;-) Jun 30 20:07:13 Darth_Wader: hence why I said it Jun 30 20:07:37 lol, anyway - coreutils is gpe/opie-independent Jun 30 20:07:51 indeed Jun 30 20:08:37 will now try method described in bugreport Jun 30 20:14:01 hmm.. Jun 30 20:14:03 works.. Jun 30 20:23:10 Anyone else one day hope for a linux based UMPC and kinda hope they name it myBuddy Jun 30 20:46:07 Does anyone know how to include recommended files when using ipkg? Jun 30 20:48:12 ohh Jun 30 20:48:43 how to force specific version of kernel to be built instead of 2.6.21? Jun 30 20:49:31 No nm I think I asked the wrong channel Jun 30 20:52:22 recommended files will be installed if they are available Jun 30 23:32:24 does anyone know what .bb file mb-applet-wireless is built with? Jun 30 23:43:06 should bluetooth be working on ipaq 1945? Jun 30 23:46:22 what`s the problem with it? Jun 30 23:46:55 it doesn't work, when I click the little icon to try to turn it on it gives an error that I could look again and see Jun 30 23:51:01 Darth_Wader it says radio startup failed. interrupted system call Jun 30 23:51:08 oh. Jun 30 23:51:15 kernel 2.6.21 or somewhat like? Jun 30 23:51:44 2.6.20-rc1 is labelled Jun 30 23:52:00 same shit... Jun 30 23:52:17 ? Jun 30 23:52:26 i`m owner of 2210 ipaq... Jun 30 23:52:57 somewhere during transition from .19 to .21 they`ve broke up bluetooth,irda and make touchscreen somewhat unusable Jun 30 23:53:08 good morning Jun 30 23:53:18 lol Jun 30 23:53:35 Darth_Wader, what did they make? Jun 30 23:53:49 it`s about ipaq 2210 and 1945 of Kevin` Jun 30 23:54:14 did you already let the bugtracker know about? Jun 30 23:54:21 bluetooth and battery doesn't work :( Jun 30 23:54:28 no, i've only just started with this recently Jun 30 23:55:01 bugs.openembedded.org Jun 30 23:56:40 i'm going to build it myself befoer I do that Jun 30 23:57:10 Kevin`, good choise Jun 30 23:57:39 i`m currently building opie to check that bluetooth breakage is unrelated to gpe Jun 30 23:58:09 many of the released images are obsolete Jun 30 23:58:49 it's still a lot prettier then I remember OZ/gpe from bieng last I tried it :) Jun 30 23:59:21 pretty != functional Jun 30 23:59:36 and w/ xchat in the feeds now, I have no need for opie ever again :-) Jun 30 23:59:45 not a direct correlation, no, but pretty is nice Jul 01 00:00:03 true Jul 01 00:00:45 especially for demonstrations to people with windows devices :) Jul 01 00:01:08 hm, this older kernel doesn't seem to be booting completely :( Jul 01 00:01:16 xchat... Jul 01 00:01:26 xchat is good for vga displays, not for qvga Jul 01 00:01:42 Darth_Wader: qvga being collie etc? Jul 01 00:01:43 I use ssh+screen Jul 01 00:01:54 don't have X installed on my zaurus Jul 01 00:01:59 summatusmentis: ipaq 2210 in my case Jul 01 00:02:16 Darth_Wader: oh, I see, sorry. I tend to assume zaurus Jul 01 00:02:17 qvga, 64ram,32rom,bt,sd,cf Jul 01 00:02:19 Darth_Wader, ah your the one who was looking vor an alternate window manager because of off-screen problems in gpe right? Jul 01 00:02:24 (pidgin and so on Jul 01 00:02:25 ) Jul 01 00:02:26 yup Jul 01 00:02:40 Darth_Wader, did you work your way around the issue? Jul 01 00:03:35 could always use fluxbox ;) Jul 01 00:03:37 nope, i`m currently about trying opie.. maybe it will be good enough for me :) Jul 01 00:04:30 Kevin`, that's what I told him. But without he said fluxbox would be w/o much use for him Jul 01 00:04:43 iirc Jul 01 00:04:52 why no alt Jul 01 00:05:15 ipaq? Jul 01 00:05:26 oh. make the calenter button alt or somethin :) Jul 01 00:05:29 you can grab the windows with alt+left mouse button Jul 01 00:05:33 in fluxbox Jul 01 00:05:47 I know, i'm using fluxbox now Jul 01 00:05:53 yea on your ipaq? Jul 01 00:06:02 that reminds me, does angstrom have a provision for right clicking/dragging? Jul 01 00:06:12 Kevin`, there is xmonubut Jul 01 00:06:19 gpe-panel applet Jul 01 00:06:21 no, on my desktop. I used to use fluxbox on zaurus Jul 01 00:06:36 don't know sorry Jul 01 00:06:39 dcordes I remember one distro a while back used a keyboard button for it like fn Jul 01 00:06:54 was incredibly useful, but I haven't seen it done since Jul 01 00:08:19 * Darth_Wader wondering when he will upgrade his desktop Jul 01 00:08:47 ? Jul 01 00:09:15 athlon-1200 is somewhat old for now :) Jul 01 00:09:23 * dcordes should also upgrade; accepting all kinds of donations Jul 01 00:09:57 * Darth_Wader also acepting all kinds of donations Jul 01 00:10:16 preferrably, panasonic laptops Jul 01 00:10:38 panasonic laptops?! Jul 01 00:11:54 yup Jul 01 00:12:01 http://www.toughbook-europe.com Jul 01 00:12:36 the cf-30 with secondary battery would be just fine Jul 01 00:17:03 Darth_Wader, do you need that for work? Jul 01 00:17:29 for personal use :) Jul 01 00:17:45 planning to go on safari? ^^ Jul 01 00:17:48 panasonics are somewhat like drug - once tried, never want to use anything other Jul 01 00:18:10 and also, i`ve already broke down ibm thinkpad laptop less for year of use Jul 01 00:18:26 ok you can also go online outside when you're completely wasted and running high danger to drop your device Jul 01 00:19:53 and can also drink beer just above the device without fear to flood it dead :) Jul 01 00:20:17 btw, my current panasonic survived already 3 or 4 unexpected drops... Jul 01 00:22:46 hmm.. Jul 01 00:22:58 and where do i find images now.. Jul 01 00:23:06 NOTE: package opie-image-1.0: completed Jul 01 00:24:43 Darth_Wader, and you can use it at the north pole Jul 01 00:24:51 drinking strong beers Jul 01 00:25:03 for north pole i would prefer other vendors Jul 01 00:28:31 showtime... Jul 01 00:33:51 ohh... opie seems to be many times usable than gpe Jul 01 00:36:45 I should go try one opie-image too Jul 01 00:38:06 maybe... Jul 01 00:39:28 another one ssh bruteforcer bites the dust in /16 reject Jul 01 00:44:04 btw, how do i specify version of linux kernel to build? Jul 01 00:44:48 no idea Jul 01 00:45:06 I only know that I should get some sleep Jul 01 00:45:11 and tomorrow try opie-image Jul 01 00:45:54 bb Jul 01 00:46:15 cya Jul 01 00:55:15 hi Jul 01 00:59:31 * CoreDump|home would kill for a CF-30 ;) Jul 01 00:59:39 lol Jul 01 01:00:00 take a look at panasonic`s pda Jul 01 01:00:39 it would be somewhat interesting to have fully working linux on it :) Jul 01 01:00:50 which pda is that Jul 01 01:02:28 http://toughbook-europe.com/ENG/handheld_cf-p1.aspx this one Jul 01 01:03:01 mmm keyboard Jul 01 01:03:39 panasonic also have somewhat more interesting Jul 01 01:03:52 wireless displays that in turn are... pda`s Jul 01 01:04:13 does anyone know if a d-link dcf-660w (prism2) should work with wpa? wpa1? wpa2? tkip? aes? ;) Jul 01 01:04:20 but somwhat specialised Jul 01 01:06:09 wbx: if the hostap driver works with it, then it should support wpa Jul 01 01:07:25 hmm. i tried the example in /etc/network/interfaces, but it does not connect. iwlist scan shows the ap.. Jul 01 01:07:37 so at least the driver is loaded and scan the network Jul 01 01:08:40 well, are you sure you've set the correct password? No typos? Jul 01 01:08:46 so for the 802.11b card i need hostap instead of wpa_supplicant to get it running? Jul 01 01:09:44 Kevin`: and also gsm/gprs built-in :) Jul 01 01:09:45 supplicant is not a driver Jul 01 01:10:02 supplicant handles WPA, not more Jul 01 01:10:08 Kevin`: along with big battery Jul 01 01:10:14 CoreDump|home and 802.1x Jul 01 01:10:22 EUR 4.641,00for a new CF-30 Jul 01 01:10:24 * CoreDump|home cries Jul 01 01:10:47 Kevin` : how it go with the ipaq? Jul 01 01:11:20 TheCreat0r oh. got linux working on it fairly easily. can't get bluetooth working Jul 01 01:11:27 wbx: heh greetings fellow netcologne customer Jul 01 01:11:30 CoreDump|home: not as much as price of SPARC-based laptops Jul 01 01:11:32 CoreDump|home: i am sure, very simple password Jul 01 01:11:39 Kevin` : bluez? Jul 01 01:12:15 Kevin`: try to build&install 2.6.19 kernel Jul 01 01:13:04 how do I select the kernel to build Jul 01 01:13:12 is there something I need to do to setup X11 forwarding from the Z? I'm getting Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Jul 01 01:13:13 2 lines in local.conf Jul 01 01:13:29 3 million perl modules later i have metasploit 2.7 working on akita Jul 01 01:13:31 PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-handhelds-2.6 = "2.6.19-hh13" Jul 01 01:13:31 PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-handhelds-2.6_h2200 = "2.6.19-hh13" Jul 01 01:13:43 replace h2200 with your port name Jul 01 01:13:45 TheCreat0r oooh nice Jul 01 01:13:56 TheCreat0r: you're gonna package it right? Jul 01 01:14:15 Kevin`: and then bitbake linux-handhelds-2.6 Jul 01 01:14:16 wbx: try wpa_cli status wlan0 Jul 01 01:14:18 summatusmentis : after i test it, if you liek i will Jul 01 01:14:28 TheCreat0r: you should, just because Jul 01 01:14:39 does anyone here us X11 forwarding? Jul 01 01:14:51 summatusmentis sure, sometimes Jul 01 01:15:14 * Darth_Wader was unable to get X11 forwarding _from_ pda Jul 01 01:15:25 Kevin`: how do I set the display? I'm getting Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: when I try to get it from my terrier Jul 01 01:15:29 even when replaced dropbear with openssh Jul 01 01:15:37 CoreDump|home: just to be sure, is it enough to uncomment the example in /etc/network/interfaces for wpa and do ifup wlan0 ? Jul 01 01:15:44 summatusmentis the x server should do it for you Jul 01 01:15:54 well, it's not seemingly Jul 01 01:16:30 CoreDump|home: hmm. wpa_state=SCANNNING Jul 01 01:16:30 wbx: indeed it is Jul 01 01:16:46 summatusmentis http://pastebin.ca/598084 *shrug* Jul 01 01:17:15 wbx: hostap_diag wlan0 shows 1.8.x firmware? Jul 01 01:17:39 summatusmentis: i`ve forced to remove -nolisten tcp from my laptop X11 and do export DISPLAY=laptop:0.0 when i want to use x11 soft from pda Jul 01 01:18:28 CoreDump|home: now the card is unresponsible. link led is off. Jul 01 01:18:57 CoreDump|home: a lot of wifi0: hfa384x_cmd errors in dmesg Jul 01 01:19:35 Kevin`: the host then being your desktop? Jul 01 01:19:51 summatusmentis I connected from my desktop (bart) to pda Jul 01 01:19:53 CoreDump|home: okay, after three hotplug events, I get 1.8.4 (station firmware) Jul 01 01:20:09 Kevin`: ok, when I run echo $DISPLAY I don't get anything Jul 01 01:20:22 summatusmentis check /etc/ssh/sshd_config Jul 01 01:23:50 hmm... Jul 01 01:24:09 * Darth_Wader found old 2.6.16-hh9 kernel in the depth of sd card... Jul 01 01:24:11 Kevin`: that did it. I had turned on X11 forwarding in ssh_config Jul 01 01:24:14 no sshd Jul 01 01:24:21 :) Jul 01 01:24:34 strange thing - irda and bluetooth went away o_O Jul 01 01:25:08 but suspend become working... Jul 01 01:25:23 open source, srs bsns Jul 01 01:27:03 Darth_Wader: it's the gnomes Jul 01 01:28:08 grrr Jul 01 01:28:15 2.6.19 build failed Jul 01 01:28:27 is there a "proper" way to produce an image that will give console output and such instead of splash images? :) Jul 01 01:28:40 CoreDump|spitz: your spitz is working? ;) Jul 01 01:28:42 Kevin`: add psplash=false to boot args Jul 01 01:29:10 with xchat, no less ;) Jul 01 01:29:17 that`s what i got http://pastebin.ca/598100 :( Jul 01 01:29:34 CoreDump|spitz: cool :) Jul 01 01:29:37 CoreDump|spitz: may be I should first try without wpa.. Jul 01 01:29:45 wbx_: yeah Jul 01 01:29:50 hvontres|home: hi there Jul 01 01:29:58 CoreDump|spitz: seems so buggy, that the zaurus needs to be rebooted Jul 01 01:30:21 CoreDump|spitz: did you ever get e17 to build? Jul 01 01:30:24 hmm? why do you need to reboot? Jul 01 01:30:37 CoreDump|home: did I miss much the last week or so? I lost IRC access at work :( Jul 01 01:30:45 summatusmentis: yeah, somewhat at least (no login manager, broken dependencies) Jul 01 01:30:55 hvontres|home: no you didn't Jul 01 01:30:55 mmm Jul 01 01:31:02 hvontres|home: that sucks =( Jul 01 01:31:14 summatusmentis: angstrom-e-image is completely broken Jul 01 01:31:33 CoreDump|home: hrm... :-/ bummer Jul 01 01:33:21 * summatusmentis is waiting for matchbox-panel to build, so he can fix mb-applet-wireless Jul 01 01:33:28 CoreDump|home: well, it was bound to happen...I was using Windows ICS to get my Z online through the company lan... And recently they upgraded from static Ip's and an NT4 Domain Controller to DHCP and Active Directory... suddenly the IT guys started noticing stuff.. Jul 01 01:33:57 CoreDump|home: I guess now I'll just have to get work done instead :) Jul 01 01:34:03 hvontres|home: =\ Jul 01 01:34:44 summatusmentis: that would be most welcome =) Jul 01 01:35:09 anyone have a clue? http://pastebin.ca/598100 Jul 01 01:35:36 CoreDump|home: well, assuming I have the skillz Jul 01 01:36:53 Darth_Wader: no idea, sorry Jul 01 01:38:38 that`s bad... will try next in line, 2.6.18 Jul 01 01:39:22 CoreDump|home: did you ever get a chance to try my altboot menu? Jul 01 01:39:55 I haven't messed with altboot for some time now. Besides fixing one obvious bug on spitz Jul 01 01:40:26 my todo is usually larger than my available free time allows Jul 01 01:40:41 but whose isn't? ;) Jul 01 01:41:21 u`ll never have enough time even if u`re unemployed :) Jul 01 01:45:10 CoreDump|home: heh. I have it on my poodle, and it does a realy good job of booting up the last selection by itself :) Jul 01 01:45:19 =) Jul 01 01:47:02 damn. i have a general problem with the cf wlan card. same problem without wpa Jul 01 01:47:08 * CoreDump|home sighs as he trashes tmp/ Jul 01 01:48:07 tmp inside OE tree? :) Jul 01 01:48:16 yes :\ Jul 01 01:48:23 bad.. Jul 01 01:48:27 the rebuild takes about 8hrs Jul 01 01:49:02 btw, is there task to clean out tmp/ area leaving just toolchain and related stuff? Jul 01 01:49:19 nope Jul 01 01:49:55 couldn't you delete everythign except the toolchain? Jul 01 01:49:58 CoreDump|home: ouch... Jul 01 01:50:18 CoreDump|home: what happened? Jul 01 01:50:49 hvontres|home: something contaminated my buildenv :( Jul 01 01:51:25 Kevin`: yes i can, but automated task would be much better - i`m not so familiar with OE internals and may accidently delete something needed :/ Jul 01 01:52:48 CoreDump|home: That sucks...at least yours only takes 8 hrs:) I REALLY hate to rebuild glibc on my machine... Jul 01 01:53:09 8 hrs to rebuild what task ? Jul 01 01:53:16 CoreDump|home what are your machine specs/ Jul 01 01:53:38 my desktop built opie-image in somewhat about 20hrs (athlon-1200/512ram) Jul 01 01:53:39 currently I'm compiling on a C2D 1.6GHz notebook Jul 01 01:53:47 2Gb RAM Jul 01 01:54:02 Darth_Wader: angstrom-x11-image + assorted apps Jul 01 01:56:53 enough wlan tests. n8 Jul 01 01:57:32 what`s the name of opie irc client? Jul 01 01:58:19 opie-irc? Jul 01 01:58:28 yup.. already found :) Jul 01 02:10:31 what the .. with opie/bluetooth Jul 01 02:10:47 it doesn`t start on 2.6.21, nor on 2.6.16 Jul 01 02:11:23 Darth_Wader: which version of Opie are you using? Jul 01 02:11:52 somewhat like current snapshot Jul 01 02:12:10 1.2.2+cvs20070428 Jul 01 02:12:36 hmm... I'm not surprised then Jul 01 02:12:43 ? Jul 01 02:12:54 there have been some regressions lately, that's why 1.2.3 hasn't been released yet Jul 01 02:13:41 I'm presently building Opie current for h2200 to see if I can debug it Jul 01 02:13:51 ohh Jul 01 02:14:02 my pda is 2210 :) Jul 01 02:14:17 cool :) Jul 01 02:14:47 this will be the first time I've put Linux on my h2210... I have two other iPAQs here running Linux already (h3850 & h3970) Jul 01 02:14:47 not as cool as it looks.. Jul 01 02:15:01 can`t pair 2210 with my phone - nokia 6021 Jul 01 02:15:52 this issue was only addressed in wm2003 and never in bluez/linux Jul 01 02:18:07 hmm... Jul 01 02:18:27 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2213 maybe that`s the cause of my opie/bt problem.. Jul 01 02:20:30 yeah, that could be it, at least partially Jul 01 02:23:42 yup... seems to be the one&only reason for bluetooth not to work Jul 01 02:24:05 * Darth_Wader booted to gpe and bt working here Jul 01 02:27:12 * Darth_Wader wonders if/when gpe-bluetooth will reach the level of opie bluetooth appet Jul 01 02:50:54 * Darth_Wader fall asleep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 01 02:59:56 2007