**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007 Jul 04 04:04:29 what is the thing that the 3x00 series has? iwmxxt? Jul 04 09:23:03 hi all! Jul 04 10:45:36 Sorry, I already asked about this but I'm too stupid to find the entry in the logs. (Is there any way to search them?) I want to have some extra packages included in my angstrom builds. What was the local.conf entry for that? Jul 04 10:46:47 ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL += "foo " Jul 04 10:47:32 koen, packages seperated with spaces? Jul 04 10:48:26 yes Jul 04 10:57:27 Hi all ! Do you remember my bug with the sd-card ? It is gone ! The latest kernel for akita let the buig disapper. Jul 04 10:57:32 +a Jul 04 10:57:49 yay! Jul 04 10:57:57 latest == 2.6.21? Jul 04 10:58:19 Is it not 2.6.20 ??? Jul 04 10:58:33 I'm not sure, that's why I ask :) Jul 04 10:58:46 2.6.21 is latest Jul 04 10:58:50 its 2.6.21 Jul 04 10:59:58 The last was 2.6.20, which did not recognize my card. But /lib/modules/2.6.21/modules.dep is not found by default. Jul 04 11:00:11 XorA: funny how on the forums the pdaX dudes are saying "OZ now has 2.6.21, so we can move to 2.6.21 and steal their patches" Jul 04 11:00:14 I think, I have to create one by myself. Jul 04 11:00:39 koen: ;D Jul 04 11:00:43 koen: url? Jul 04 11:01:26 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23865&view=getlastpost Jul 04 11:02:25 XorA, haha Jul 04 11:02:26 it's also funny how the most active person working on pdaX is not part of the pdaX 'team' Jul 04 11:02:33 pr0n0 linux good one Jul 04 11:02:49 does someone know, what changed because of the sd-card-bug from 20 to 21 ? Jul 04 11:03:29 Or is it just random (luck) Jul 04 11:04:39 koen: answered Jul 04 11:05:37 Is the new kernel for collie 2.6.21, too ? Jul 04 11:05:49 funny how they now want to 'merge efforts' but didn't want to when we asked a while back Jul 04 11:06:18 sash dissappearing at the same it is just coincidence ;) Jul 04 11:07:42 I will talk with Sash Jul 04 11:08:33 * XorA will have to look at their cpu clocking stuff Jul 04 11:08:45 clocking and voltaging Jul 04 11:09:07 * XorA is interesting in running at decent speed Jul 04 11:09:42 sash does not work on Zaurus support Jul 04 11:10:49 he just buys porn from the 'voluntary' donations Jul 04 11:11:40 ;D Jul 04 11:27:43 replied at forum Jul 04 11:28:12 s/make/made/ Jul 04 11:28:18 Is louigi600 that "most active pdax dev"? Jul 04 11:28:28 s/goes by/go through/ Jul 04 11:28:38 Laibsch: no, 'meanie' is Jul 04 11:28:54 fixed fixed Jul 04 11:28:54 I talked with him recently about a serial cable cable so he can debug u-boot Jul 04 11:28:58 lougi600 is trying to update 2.6 and run slackware on his zaurus Jul 04 11:29:11 I think mickeyl was interested in uboot stuff, right? Jul 04 11:29:23 'sort of' Jul 04 11:29:27 koen: meanie is not pdaX-recent guy but pdaX-over-qtopia rather Jul 04 11:29:32 it requires users to replace their bootloader Jul 04 11:30:10 and the current zaurus uboot still loads the kernel from a partition instead of rootfs, so you don't gain a lot Jul 04 11:30:42 expect a ton of "OMG I bricked my Z!!!11!!!11one!!!" from users Jul 04 11:30:52 which you do *not* want Jul 04 11:30:57 koen: as long as I will make that partition jffs2 and mount as /boot/ I cann update it easily Jul 04 11:31:40 afaik it requires that partition to be a uImage Jul 04 11:32:33 using angelboot to boot into uboot would be more usefull Jul 04 11:32:43 or make an initramfs altboot clone Jul 04 11:32:49 (with kexec) Jul 04 11:33:12 koen: you can put uImage in jffs2 Jul 04 11:36:35 yes, but that requires a different bootscript Jul 04 11:37:02 on the at91 I have an uImage 'somewhere' in NAND and just read it into ram using a bootscript Jul 04 11:37:23 how to make angstrom support my machine? Jul 04 11:37:42 add it to OE Jul 04 11:38:07 and if it's an ARM machine, add a FEED_ARCH for it in angstrom-2007.1.conf Jul 04 11:38:11 and that's it Jul 04 11:38:43 koen: on that arm which I have here I use "nand read.jffs2 0x100000 0x280000 0x300000" Jul 04 11:38:50 tftpb 0x100000 kernel.uimg Jul 04 11:38:51 nand write.jffs2 0x100000 0x280000 0x300000 Jul 04 11:39:01 those 2 to write it Jul 04 11:39:10 Hmm, when the latest kernel is 2.6.21, shouldn?t be the modules in feed not be 2.6.21, too ? Jul 04 11:39:38 They are still 2.6.20, which might be create problems. Jul 04 11:39:53 koen: but I do not remember did I ever mounted that partition under linux Jul 04 11:41:23 is there any turtorials? Jul 04 11:44:44 Tutorial: Jul 04 11:44:46 [13:37] koen: add it to OE Jul 04 11:44:47 [13:38] koen: and if it's an ARM machine, add a FEED_ARCH for it in angstrom-2007.1.conf Jul 04 11:44:47 [13:38] koen: and that's it Jul 04 11:45:10 archer: look at yesterday logs - I added sarge-at91 machine Jul 04 12:19:23 another night of zaurus hacking down the drain Jul 04 12:28:12 logs? where is it? Jul 04 12:40:38 does anyone know of a gtk based media player that wraps around mplayer? Jul 04 12:40:38 archer: mtn log Jul 04 12:43:56 summatusmentis: gmplayer or mplayer --gui? Jul 04 12:44:18 koen, oh, ok Jul 04 12:44:32 any chance either of those do playlists etc.? Jul 04 12:46:14 hrw, ok Jul 04 12:46:38 is there any stuff about customize in angstrom? Jul 04 12:46:51 customize what? Jul 04 12:47:08 you can custimiza any package in OE using standard OE practices Jul 04 12:47:20 and like I said in #oe, images aren't bound to distros Jul 04 12:49:07 * Darth_Wader still looking for description of how opie bluetooth layer works Jul 04 12:52:50 Darth_Wader: tried opie website? #opie? Jul 04 13:20:26 you mean opie(TM)(C)(R) bluetooth layer Jul 04 13:24:57 <_law_> does anyone know if wpa needs more or less cpu power then wep? Jul 04 13:25:13 _law_: more Jul 04 13:25:20 stronger crypto Jul 04 13:26:12 <_law_> hrw, ok thanks so wep encryption is recommend for pdas like the Z Jul 04 13:27:10 no Jul 04 13:27:17 WEP is not recommended for anyone Jul 04 13:27:34 WEP is same as no encryption basically Jul 04 13:27:45 wep is for keeping out joe sixpack Jul 04 13:28:12 each today computer is able to connect to WEP network after running few tools to check password Jul 04 13:31:46 <_law_> ok Jul 04 13:40:40 <_law_> does wpa work with an collie or husky? Jul 04 13:40:52 <_law_> or are this devices too slow? Jul 04 13:41:21 the real question is "does wpa work with your wifi card" Jul 04 13:44:04 <_law_> koen, ok thats the next question :-) i have got a asus and a netgear cf wlan card Jul 04 13:45:23 _law_: if your card works with hostap then you have WPA with recent rootfs Jul 04 13:46:03 <_law_> hrw, they work with hostap Jul 04 13:46:29 <_law_> so i can use my FON AP with wpa :-) Jul 04 13:50:53 how can i get rid of unneded keyboard layouts in opie? Jul 04 13:56:29 Darth_Wader: rm them Jul 04 14:03:18 where? Jul 04 14:04:23 somewhere in /opt/ Jul 04 14:04:28 * hrw do not use opie anymore Jul 04 14:05:17 why? Jul 04 14:07:59 hh.org, I think Jul 04 14:08:31 hh.org exactly Jul 04 14:10:38 is opie lost and gone forever because of them? Jul 04 14:14:45 who knows Jul 04 14:22:17 hm Jul 04 14:22:25 where can i read about hh.org&opie? Jul 04 14:37:40 Darth_Wader: I think it is about that trademark stuff - but I don't know it. here is a link: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.opie Jul 04 14:50:44 koen: What is the status of the mailing lists on gmane? Jul 04 14:50:59 Laibsch: it's waiting for larsi to add them Jul 04 14:51:04 I think it was you who complained to them about something but I cannot remember Jul 04 14:51:12 OK Jul 04 14:51:23 Where will they move? Jul 04 14:51:35 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.* Jul 04 14:51:38 I think you were unsatisfied with the naming, right? Jul 04 14:51:43 yes Jul 04 14:51:44 OK Jul 04 14:51:53 angstrom is not about handhelds Jul 04 14:52:09 and I don't want to get a letter saying handhelds own angstrom (TM) because of that Jul 04 14:53:07 * XorA thinks they have been been playing with their handheld so long they went blind Jul 04 14:53:09 (it even isn't really about 'linux', but gmane didn't seem to have a non-linux distro group) Jul 04 14:55:24 emails to larsi have a ~4 day rtt usually, so I wouldn't hold my breath for the gmane subscribtion to get activated soon Jul 04 14:55:52 and my RTT will be 2 weeks after 3 hours Jul 04 14:56:08 ( http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/off-to-scotland-and-guadec ) Jul 04 14:56:13 koen: not taking mobile internet? Jul 04 14:56:41 too expensive atm Jul 04 14:57:43 I'm bringing my n800 and powerbook, so I might get lucky with wifi somewhere, but I don't count on it Jul 04 14:57:50 and holidays don't need internet :) Jul 04 14:58:21 koen: Haymarket station has unprotected AP :-) Jul 04 14:58:23 XorA can fill me in on the gossip when we get to edin Jul 04 15:01:20 my head of planning informs me that we're staying near waverly station Jul 04 15:06:38 Where you staying? Jul 04 15:07:07 there is a cafe and a couple of pubs that offer free wifi in edin Jul 04 15:07:44 Euro hostel edinburgh halls at kincaids court Jul 04 15:09:09 * XorA shudders Jul 04 15:09:59 if you pull that up on google maps, look directly south there is a street called Bristo Place, on that there if the Forest Cafe, that has free wifi Jul 04 15:10:09 that one I know for sure Jul 04 15:11:13 also if you head for High Street go towards castle there is a pub called Jolly Judge I think, that used to have free wifi Jul 04 15:11:58 http://www.edinburghpubguide.co.uk/PubDetails/Jolly_Judge__The_50.html Jul 04 15:12:34 * koen thinks he will get claymored by his girlfriend for brining a laptop into a pub Jul 04 15:13:09 heh heh Jul 04 15:13:15 hrw, XorA: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23865&view=findpost&p=164300 Jul 04 15:13:22 weaseling out already Jul 04 15:14:01 heh heh Jul 04 15:14:23 koen: you can always send her shopping in Harvey Nicks :-) Jul 04 15:16:42 although a week in amsterdam and I didnt touch internet once, mainly because I was too drunk/stoned a lot of the time Jul 04 15:18:01 gmane is really an unfortunate situation. Jul 04 15:18:13 I am out of the ML right now. Jul 04 15:18:14 posted reply Jul 04 15:18:25 And I don't intend to subscribe Jul 04 15:19:05 Laibsch: quit moaning then Jul 04 15:19:09 Laibsch: :-D Jul 04 15:19:48 Oh no, I will moan even louder! Jul 04 15:20:58 people are funny - they need sth, but they don't want to get it ;-) Jul 04 15:22:32 I want it in a format suitable for me. Jul 04 15:22:36 Why is that funny? Jul 04 15:22:37 I'm slightly pissed because the gmane subscription was done wrong and I have to clean up the mess Jul 04 15:22:40 * Laibsch shakes head Jul 04 15:22:59 And all this disruption because some obscure naming problem? Jul 04 15:23:04 * Laibsch is not amused Jul 04 15:23:34 it is not 'obscure' Jul 04 15:24:14 names are shallow Jul 04 15:24:21 that is my take on it Jul 04 15:24:29 certainly nothing that needs to be fixed in a rush Jul 04 15:24:40 and it was rushed and fixed improperly Jul 04 15:25:02 the first subscription was rushed and fixed properly Jul 04 15:25:13 by asking gmane to rename them Jul 04 15:25:33 and gmane (larsi) responded with: "they have to get removed first" Jul 04 15:26:12 which triggers the 'removed by admin' flag that requires larsi to do some manual labour to add them Jul 04 15:26:17 and hence the delay Jul 04 15:26:49 so if the person that subscribed them the first time took the time to ask the list admins this wouldn't have happened Jul 04 15:28:23 Did you contact that person? Jul 04 15:28:29 Did they refuse? Jul 04 15:29:19 I don't know who added them the first time, and I don't care Jul 04 15:29:40 I will just get angry, which is just useless Jul 04 15:29:44 you can't fix the past Jul 04 15:31:27 IOW, the fix was rushed Jul 04 15:31:40 how was it rushed? Jul 04 15:31:45 If you were not willing to do it properly as described by yourself, you could have asked me Jul 04 15:31:54 and I would have done it for you, even. Jul 04 15:32:14 I did exactly as I described it Jul 04 15:32:15 "so if the person that subscribed them the first time took the time to ask the list admins this wouldn't have happened" Jul 04 15:32:29 I *am* the list admin Jul 04 15:32:41 IIRC, I was the one adding them. Jul 04 15:32:43 (one of them at least) Jul 04 15:32:48 And I believe I did ask here. Jul 04 15:32:55 Same as for adding oe ml Jul 04 15:33:05 here = #oe or #angstrom Jul 04 15:33:11 gmane doesn't support renaming Jul 04 15:33:17 that's the problem Jul 04 15:33:32 after installing e-wm on akita I can't login anymore. an enlighenment window is telling me to start e with some launcher. Jul 04 15:33:32 koen: 2 hours until stress level decrease :-) Jul 04 15:33:50 I can't acces tty from loginscreen to remove it Jul 04 15:34:29 XorA: no, they'll increase, since I have to leave my piggies at my parents Jul 04 15:35:27 any idea how to get around this? Jul 04 15:35:51 dcordes: poke justinp or mickeyl to fix it Jul 04 15:36:13 afaik the postinst needs to u-a to a different binary nowadays Jul 04 15:36:32 but since I can't build e-wm atm due to evas-native being broken.... Jul 04 15:36:51 evas-native broken again? Jul 04 15:37:11 koen: if you need piggie treatment you can always pop out to kirknewton :-) Jul 04 15:37:22 * koen flips a coin between 'again' and 'still' being broken Jul 04 15:37:24 :) Jul 04 15:37:53 hm at the moment I would preffer just removing the package from my system but I don't know how Jul 04 15:38:09 ipkg remove e-wm Jul 04 15:38:17 I can't get a terminal.. Jul 04 15:38:21 that should trigger u-a to add matchbox back Jul 04 15:38:48 koen: Im almost off home, if I dont hear from you before, see you on 16th at 9:30am at Waverley station Jul 04 15:39:48 ok Jul 04 15:39:54 I'll bring 35 gbp :) Jul 04 15:40:15 * Darth_Wader stuck again Jul 04 15:40:54 LAB loader for some reason won`t boot from CF card, but when kernel are loaded from mmc card then rootfs on cf works fine... Jul 04 15:41:22 tried adding a labrun file? Jul 04 15:42:07 yup Jul 04 15:42:29 hi Jul 04 15:42:37 I uploaded a new kernel and console rootfs yesterday Jul 04 15:44:00 hi CoreDump|home Jul 04 15:46:47 I will take the opportunity and just build and flash a new image Jul 04 15:47:47 CoreDump|home, did you by chance get your hand's on zaurusd to take a look at the akita speaker thing? Jul 04 15:48:34 dcordes: Works For Me Jul 04 15:49:06 well, I actually didn't test it after a build from scratch Jul 04 15:50:27 didn't you own the c3200? Jul 04 15:51:26 yes, and it works as expected Jul 04 15:52:02 ok I will check if the new build will fix it Jul 04 15:52:39 oooh my bitbake is obsolete Jul 04 16:20:57 help!! ipkg upgrade left me hanging this morning with newly half-installed kernel... Jul 04 16:36:38 i have just installed angstrom and was wondering which architecture the zaurus sl-c3200 i should use? arm; armv4t; armv5te;armv5teb; or armv6? Jul 04 16:36:42 for using the feeds? Jul 04 16:43:34 5te on my 3200, but todays ipkg upgrade broke mine... Jul 04 17:01:16 plz help me, ipkg installed the 2.6.21 kernel and modules this morning, erased the modules for the old kernel (2.6.20.6) but i am still booting into the old kernel. I show that the new kernel image.ipk is installed but under /boot all i see is a broken symlink. Jul 04 17:04:40 oh.. man i just upgraded but havent rebooted yet.. Jul 04 17:07:07 don't Jul 04 17:08:28 hmm mine boots up ok Jul 04 17:08:34 i have no network, no modules, no nothing but I can still get into x with no prob. I still don't know what to do to fix this Jul 04 17:08:46 oh right Jul 04 17:09:20 do an lsmod when it comes back up Jul 04 17:10:25 <_law_> is the xserver-kdrive-imageon_1.2.0.bb recommend for the huskey? Jul 04 17:12:23 <_law_> s/huskey/husky Jul 04 17:13:49 yep mine dont work anymore :( Jul 04 17:15:40 since we can still boot, I sure hope we don't have to resinstall. Jul 04 17:16:35 yeah Jul 04 17:17:09 i really like angstrom, it is closer to a real distro than any of the others out there Jul 04 17:17:34 i tried for a week to try openbsd and finally just gave up Jul 04 17:19:47 i got openbsd working but couldnt find many packages to install on it, other than compiling from the ports tree, but that takes forever Jul 04 17:19:56 so now i want to use angstrom Jul 04 17:24:29 until 2day it rocked, a few packages not yet available tho.. firefox and thunderbird broken, ipkg gstreamer conf file typo, and an annoying bug with the screen going off when on battery power, my 802.11 card showing up as eth0... minor stuff, nothing major until now. Jul 04 17:25:17 yeah i noticed the screen going off when on battery Jul 04 17:25:36 haven't found a way to get it back, have you? Jul 04 17:25:59 no Jul 04 17:27:42 :( showed my 16 yo daughter yesterday how to crack wep using aircrack, now she wants a zaurus too.. lol Jul 04 17:28:06 lol Jul 04 17:36:55 well i hoped the zImage would be in /usr/src but it's not... Jul 04 17:42:51 I just flashed my recently built angstrom-x11-image to akita and the touscreehn does not work Jul 04 18:03:38 time to go home Jul 04 18:03:40 see you! Jul 04 18:03:42 ciao cao Jul 04 18:10:14 plz help me, ipkg upgrade installed the 2.6.21 kernel and modules this morning, it erased the modules for the old kernel (2.6.20.6) but i am still booting into the old kernel. I show that the new kernel image.ipk is installed but under /boot all i see is a broken symlink zImage -> zImage-2.6.21 Jul 04 18:13:19 erm Jul 04 18:13:48 * Darth_Wader wonders what idiot added filtration of input/output to opie-irc Jul 04 18:36:23 should I make this a bug? Jul 04 18:36:26 or is it my fault? Jul 04 20:06:13 hmm Jul 04 20:08:15 * Darth_Wader building fresh opie image Jul 04 21:07:20 why do i get 'unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'' when i try to mount a windows share, i have installed 'kernel-module-smbfs' and 'task-base-smbfs' what am i missing? Jul 04 21:11:56 Phoix, maybe depmod? Jul 04 21:12:42 polyonymous: had a look at opie changes? ;-) Jul 04 21:13:27 psokolovsky, only at commit messages yes. But while we're at it, seriously, do you have these changes in some repository? I think it would make sense. Jul 04 21:14:17 polyonymous: these changes - which? and - are you sure you want to do a fork? Jul 04 21:15:13 no, I don't want to do a fork, I want to have patches ready for upstream and easily mergeable both ways. And these changes - the ones you've made to sources, I take it your commits also have patches? Jul 04 21:16:12 polyonymous: only minor as opie sources are concerned Jul 04 21:16:33 psokolovsky, ah... well, as I told you - I haven't looked at them yet :) Jul 04 21:17:05 polyonymous: but you understand that you either want to do double-work and maintain patches in both OE and your repo, or otherwise want to ask OE opie to pull from your repo? Jul 04 21:18:20 psokolovsky, well, I don't know how do you create patches, but for me it wouldn't be double-work, I don't write patches by hand (that is vi file.patch --- Makefile +++ Makefile .....) :) Jul 04 21:18:52 polyonymous: I do patches in tmp/work/ ;-) Jul 04 21:19:31 psokolovsky, so, it wouldn't differ much, but as an additional bonus you will have an overview of your patches :) Jul 04 21:21:18 polyonymous: I have nothing against you having your local repo with any content you want. But as soon as you propose other parties to use it and submit patches to it, it's called ... . Which is not good or bad, but a fact with entailments. Jul 04 21:25:37 psokolovsky, I think I failed to make myself clear (partly, because it's not clear to myself), but well, I see your point, nevermind then :) Jul 04 21:26:53 polyonymous: my point actually is that it indeed lacks clarity ;-I Jul 04 21:27:07 psokolovsky, I agree completely :) Jul 04 21:27:42 but before trying to clarify my point, I need to actually make it clear to myself :) Jul 04 21:31:17 ok Jul 04 21:54:05 I'm missing a few symbols: __aeabi_fadd __aeabi_dadd> __aeabi_dsub __aeabi_i2d __aeabi_d2uiz __aeabi_f2d Jul 04 21:54:22 anyone know what I can do to fix this? looks like it is related to arm-eabi.... Jul 04 21:54:31 but that is about where I stop understanding. Jul 04 22:01:47 ieee754 issues perhaps? Jul 04 22:01:56 anyone know about this? floating point stuff. Jul 04 22:02:24 wow Jul 04 22:02:24 NOTE: package opie-image-1.0: completed Jul 04 22:02:25 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 2232 tasks of which 1354 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. Jul 04 22:02:28 NOTE: build 200707042345: completed Jul 04 22:02:32 fresh opie build done... Jul 04 23:25:41 is the testing console image for collie arm-oabi or armv5t? Jul 04 23:25:48 err v4t Jul 05 00:04:45 I am following both the OE and Angstrom build environment guides and I followed the OE one first do I need to make any changes to get Angstrom environment working properly? Jul 05 00:50:14 !seen hrw Jul 05 00:50:15 I found 5 matches to your query (sorted): hrw|gone hrw hrw|afk hrw|gone_ hrw|work. hrw|gone (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) was last seen changing nicks from hrw on #oe 8 hours, 34 minutes ago. hrw|gone is still there. Jul 05 02:06:33 hm, how can i wildcard select recipes for building ? Jul 05 02:07:58 Darth_Wader: Do you know how to make ipkg install recommended files when you install the file that needs those recommends? Jul 05 02:08:24 nope **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:56 2007