**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 08 02:59:57 2007 Jul 08 03:16:24 lol Jul 08 03:16:24 NOTE: Applying patch 'i-hate-libtool.patch' Jul 08 03:16:26 :) Jul 08 12:15:09 the empty lost+found dir takes about 3Mb in my image, is it normal Jul 08 12:17:02 ? Jul 08 12:20:57 there's no way a dir is taking 3MB Jul 08 12:21:03 archer, why do you think it's lost+found? Jul 08 12:21:07 do an ls -la inside the dir Jul 08 12:21:34 yes, also it might be non-empty Jul 08 12:21:54 nothing inside Jul 08 12:22:23 archer, so what makes you think it's lost+found that takes 3m? Jul 08 12:22:24 ls told me it takes 3564544 Bytes Jul 08 12:22:29 huh Jul 08 12:22:30 but other dir takes only 1024 Bytes Jul 08 12:22:48 ah Jul 08 12:22:49 ls command told me that Jul 08 12:23:03 hmm... well, I think lost+found takes up more than other dirs... Jul 08 12:25:06 but it's too much Jul 08 12:25:37 archer, rm it :) Jul 08 12:27:03 i made it with angstrom, i suppose it is a bug of the distribution, so i post it on. Jul 08 12:27:58 archer, I don't think so. Jul 08 12:28:04 It's a feature of the filesystem. Jul 08 12:29:59 it takes too much, i find that my pc's lost+found only takes about 4xKBytes Jul 08 12:40:45 polyonymous: btw your Opie patches have been committed (finally!) Jul 08 12:40:48 sorry for the delay Jul 08 12:41:06 bluelightning_, seen it :) Jul 08 12:41:26 I guess there are others in OE that should be integrated at some point as well Jul 08 12:41:32 bluelightning_, I was suprised by your choice of ru keymap, although for me it's even more convenient in the unlikely event I want to edit it :) Jul 08 12:42:05 well I figured it should work as you said and looks better :) Jul 08 12:42:25 even on my system I can now see the symbols whereas with koi8-r they were just blocks :) Jul 08 12:42:29 heh, yes it should work and looks better for utf-enabled russian speakers :) Jul 08 12:42:59 yes, that's exactly it, koi8-r requires koi8-r no more no less :) Jul 08 12:43:40 ascii's requirements are lower than utf's, though. I don't think there are still so badly utf-impaired people :) Jul 08 12:44:39 bluelightning_, wish opie were a bit more flexible regarding its paths, btw :) Jul 08 12:44:53 * polyonymous has just upgraded his production Z to /usr-opie Jul 08 12:45:17 polyonymous: you mean wrt i18n? or something else? Jul 08 12:45:45 bluelightning_, no, we're moving opie from /opt/QtPalmtop to /usr/bin and /usr/lib/opie Jul 08 12:45:48 you mean /usr-opie(TM) ? Jul 08 12:46:13 yes, tm one, not the one opiepaltomintegratedenvironmentII Jul 08 12:46:36 argh :/ Jul 08 12:47:10 I've just upgraded my Z, but I haven't run opie yet... Jul 08 12:47:12 (tm) Jul 08 12:47:30 polyonymous: why the push to move things around btw? is it just because it is the "right thing to do"? or does it solve a particular problem? Jul 08 12:47:38 I don't get it... is hh.org trying to TM everthing opie/gpe related? Jul 08 12:48:22 NAbyss: yes, its a badly disguised play to make gpe return to hh.org Jul 08 12:48:30 bluelightning_, hell no, it mostly introduces problems, but it's a kind of requirement to get opie supported in angstrom :) Jul 08 12:48:32 NAbyss: but its not working in the gpe case Jul 08 12:48:35 XorA: Oh joy =/ Jul 08 12:48:48 XorA: What prompted that.. pissy devs? Jul 08 12:48:55 bluelightning_, but I still think that flexibility wrt installation dir is the right think. Jul 08 12:48:57 thing too Jul 08 12:49:02 NAbyss: anything that is hosted on hh.org is automatically (TM) for hh.org Jul 08 12:49:06 polyonymous: but why is it a requirement? that's my question... Jul 08 12:49:11 koen|inverness: Lovely.. Jul 08 12:49:26 NAbyss: and people wonder why projects move away Jul 08 12:49:28 NAbyss: no, a hosting site suddenly deciding it owns all projects hosted there Jul 08 12:49:41 bluelightning_, you better ask koen. I can make up quite a few reasons, but I have no idea which is the real one. Jul 08 12:49:42 koen|inverness: Yeah, that's really fucked up Jul 08 12:50:02 bluelightning_, it surely pleases my aesthetic feelings, but I doubt the idea was to please me. Jul 08 12:50:03 XorA: Hmm.. I can't see that being legal Jul 08 12:50:15 and of course 'accidents' happening during 'routine maintenance' Jul 08 12:50:51 NAbyss: unfortuneately applying for the trademark is legal Jul 08 12:50:54 koen|inverness: Something amusing - check the bottom of the hh.org page - "All trademarks..owned by their respective owners" Jul 08 12:50:59 XorA: Sadly enough Jul 08 12:51:00 NAbyss: and it will cost gpe money to fight it Jul 08 12:51:32 its why it becomes clearer and clearer OE needs some form of legal umbrella to hide under Jul 08 12:51:46 OE was once hosted at hh.org Jul 08 12:51:47 NAbyss, hh.org is the owner :) Jul 08 12:51:51 umbrellas rock Jul 08 12:52:04 koen|inverness: only because your in scotland :-) Jul 08 12:52:32 :))) Jul 08 12:52:45 I even bought one of those touriste umbrellas with a tartan Jul 08 12:52:57 * XorA shuns koen|inverness Jul 08 12:53:08 * koen|inverness is currently planning this afternoons hike Jul 08 12:54:03 XorA: Yeah, that's true Jul 08 12:54:17 polyonymous: Yeah, I know... the irony of it is amusing though :) Jul 08 12:54:26 it is Jul 08 12:54:59 koen|inverness: I'd like to hear the reason for moving opie to /usr just like bluelightning. Can you explain briefly? Jul 08 12:55:38 I think it should be a nice idea to register one's nickname, so that one can sue hosting sites for having his contributions without written permission if they behave badly :) Jul 08 12:55:40 to make it behave like proper software Jul 08 12:56:04 Laibsch, it's too late to ask :) Jul 08 12:56:16 koen|inverness: so it's more about "doing the right thing" than to solve a particular problem? Jul 08 12:56:18 koen|inverness: That is not an answer. Jul 08 12:56:20 And yes, I think, koen doesn't get further than pleasing aesthetics. Jul 08 12:56:39 so, it is one more case of "koen-style", I assume Jul 08 12:56:58 Well, that is somewhat an answer, actually. Jul 08 12:57:16 bluelightning: and to make sure that when user get the urge to install random ipkgs they won't mess up the system, since /opt will get ignored :) Jul 08 12:57:39 That is, I wouldn't push it as a requirement in distro, I'd rather talk about it as an opie developer (if I was one), but it makes sense generally Jul 08 12:57:43 Laibsch: have you never heard of standards? Jul 08 12:58:23 * Laibsch ignores rhetoric questions Jul 08 12:58:55 XorA: it just seems kind of arbitrary to decide now that Opie must make this change in order to be supported... Jul 08 12:58:59 Laibsch, ignoring rhetorics is exactly what prevents you from understanding aesthetics :) Jul 08 12:59:29 bluelightning: people are free to invent a new distro Jul 08 12:59:33 I could understand it if being in /opt was causing real problems for people, but it isn't Jul 08 12:59:50 or not as far as I have been made aware, anyway Jul 08 13:00:18 XorA: yes, but one would argue that Angstrom is currently the only maintained handheld distro atm Jul 08 13:00:30 no sense inventing yet another one just because of one issue Jul 08 13:00:59 bluelightning: and it was decided at beginning of Angstrom to try and stick vaguely to standards Jul 08 13:01:33 bluelightning, anyway, you may argue with the requirement for angstrom (I don't think it's a great idea either), but generally having any particular path hardcoded isn't a good idea, isn't it? Jul 08 13:01:40 as linux people are notorious for not being able to handle $PATH :-D Jul 08 13:01:48 bluelightning: yes, the koen standard of making it as annoying as possible for everybody who is not a hardcore dev, lest even a user "shudder" Jul 08 13:02:06 :))) Jul 08 13:02:13 * Laibsch goes for breakfast Jul 08 13:02:30 polyonymous: I'm not suggesting it's not a good idea in general... I'm suggesting that now perhaps is not the right time to be making arbitrary changes like this Jul 08 13:03:24 bluelightning, well, it turned out not to be terribly painful, but I'd really love to see support for it upstream if upstream is alive and kicking Jul 08 13:04:09 polyonymous: if you have some patches I will review them... I doubt I will be able to push something like this through for 1.2.3 though Jul 08 13:04:17 qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20060723-r1 where the hell is it getting 20060723 from Jul 08 13:04:29 Opie is on life support, but it's not yet dead :) Jul 08 13:04:43 XorA, sane-versions :) Jul 08 13:04:48 XorA, or sane-srcdates Jul 08 13:04:50 what was it. Jul 08 13:04:55 polyonymous: removed it from that Jul 08 13:05:08 polyonymous: a global grep on tree shows no occurances Jul 08 13:05:22 XorA, it's broken for x86, btw. Jul 08 13:05:29 I have SRCDATE_qemu-native = 20070701 Jul 08 13:05:29 PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = 0.9.0+cvs${SRCDATE_qemu-native} Jul 08 13:05:31 in local.conf :) Jul 08 13:06:05 polyonymous: that works Jul 08 13:06:26 XorA, if you have amd64 :) Jul 08 13:06:30 polyonymous: but Im puzzled why even after I pull the date out of sane-srcdates it manages to set it Jul 08 13:06:43 polyonymous: I am the original OE amd64 owner :-) Jul 08 13:06:51 XorA, I haven't investigated it. Jul 08 13:07:13 XorA, but feel free to pull qemu-native from poky. I was going to do it, but it looks like not today. Jul 08 13:07:32 speaking of which, do we absolutely have to have x11 disabled in libsdl-native? Jul 08 13:07:35 polyonymous: maybe later, Im supposed to be hoovering Jul 08 13:08:02 XorA, I'm also postponing it.:) Jul 08 13:28:30 Is there an mbox archive of the mailing lists somewhere? Jul 08 13:29:05 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/ has an archive but not in mbox format Jul 08 14:25:13 debian Jul 08 14:37:29 hi Jul 08 14:57:28 debian yourself. Jul 08 14:57:37 * polyonymous is back Jul 08 14:58:24 ? Jul 08 14:58:37 ! Jul 08 14:59:25 debian+ Jul 08 14:59:31 * Darth_Wader still wants to kill opieirc author Jul 08 14:59:36 debian- Jul 08 14:59:49 Darth_Wader, it's a sin to kill, did you know? Jul 08 14:59:50 use solaris Jul 08 15:00:01 solaris-- Jul 08 15:00:09 ++solaris++ Jul 08 15:00:36 lvalue-expression in ++ Jul 08 15:00:49 rvalue, I mean. Jul 08 15:02:04 polyonymous: i don`t care about what religion says when it comes to deal with bad sw Jul 08 15:02:37 it's not the religion, really, that suggests it to me. Jul 08 15:05:08 besides, Darth_Wader, your sentiments should be applied to about the whole opie codebase :) Jul 08 15:06:00 maybe, but i`ve seen only two apps that doesn`t want to deal with non-ascii symbols so far -- opie-irc and default console app Jul 08 15:07:16 Darth_Wader, opie-console? Haven't had any problems running utf on it. You'd also see it in opie-mail if you tried one, I believe :) Jul 08 15:07:37 utf of which language? Jul 08 15:07:58 utf isn't bound to any language, but I mostly cared about russian. Jul 08 15:08:14 me too Jul 08 15:08:17 :] Jul 08 15:08:28 so I haven't had probs in opie-console. Jul 08 15:08:42 and if you _have_ - it's your shell, I believe, not console. Jul 08 15:11:11 maybe shell, maybe not. i don`t care about non-latin input in console anyway Jul 08 15:12:38 what didn't work for you, anyway? Jul 08 15:12:47 opie-irc Jul 08 15:14:28 didn't you just say "default console app"? Jul 08 15:14:40 they both Jul 08 15:15:16 but as i mentioned above, i don`t care about console app, just noticed that Jul 08 15:18:41 hmm... dunno about no-latin, but segfault is there :) Jul 08 15:19:01 lol Jul 08 15:19:44 ff Jul 08 15:19:56 hm. it simply ignores non-latin string. fun. Jul 08 15:20:02 yup Jul 08 15:20:09 -8 Jul 08 15:20:12 brb and I'll take a look at it. Jul 08 15:20:25 Jul 08 15:20:25 I only read ю-ти-эф-8 Jul 08 15:20:35 wait Jul 08 15:20:40 вот теперь утф8 Jul 08 15:20:50 Well, yes, but it's not opie-irc :)) Jul 08 15:21:01 anyway, brb. Jul 08 15:21:01 Came up as non-ASCII chars here.. Jul 08 15:21:03 but look at opie-irc :) Jul 08 15:21:07 yup Jul 08 15:21:15 it was russian Jul 08 15:21:36 yes, I did look at it... anyway. once again - brb:) Jul 08 15:22:11 Hmm, if that's the case, I really need to prod my terminal. Didn't come out as cyrillic characters (assuming that's the right character set?) Jul 08 15:22:25 it was cyrillic in utf-8 Jul 08 15:27:16 NAbyss, what's your terminal? Jul 08 15:28:41 polyonymous: konsole Jul 08 15:29:23 NAbyss, ah. don't remember what's that... but most of the terminals used to have non-utf default settings. I've been only using xterm though. Now I'm using rxvt-unicode. Jul 08 15:29:36 but my irc is xchat now, anyway :) Jul 08 15:30:00 hey marex Jul 08 15:30:11 hey Marek Wassup, even :) Jul 08 15:30:28 polyonymous: I'm on a process of steadily UTF8-ing everything.. half-tempted to start with a new install of Debian though - 6+ years of cruft Jul 08 15:31:19 heh I went for reinstall (of gentoo, though) when I bought a new computer half a year ago. Jul 08 15:31:36 well, not quite REinstall - my old computer still has the old install :) Jul 08 15:31:46 clone&update? Jul 08 15:32:06 Darth_Wader, well, I could, but I wanted to do it anew. Jul 08 15:32:13 :) Jul 08 15:32:44 After all I want to see what does the gentoo installed look like, I used tarballinstall before. And I wasn't impressed and I would still use tarball if I knew :) Jul 08 15:33:01 wantED, I mean. Jul 08 15:33:43 :) Jul 08 15:33:54 polyonymous, wtf? :b Jul 08 15:34:14 Marex, :) Jul 08 15:34:30 hmmm... opieirc's /proc/*/environ is absolutely empty... Jul 08 15:35:07 so I wouldn't expect it handle any locale Jul 08 15:36:20 polyonymous, gotcha :b Jul 08 15:37:08 no, wtf is really a good question here. why does opieirc sanitize environment so eagerly? Jul 08 15:37:40 try launch it from console Jul 08 15:38:06 polyonymous, I guess you expected something different though ;] anyway ... dunno, I wasnt the one who wrote it Jul 08 15:38:06 at least on my ipaq it doesnt` unset env at all Jul 08 15:38:10 I'm going to. Although first thing I've tried is to launch other apps and they work fine. Jul 08 15:38:13 hm Jul 08 15:39:28 ууу Jul 08 15:39:45 ok. locale is there now, but still :) Jul 08 15:40:55 lol Jul 08 15:41:07 time to read the source Jul 08 15:41:20 * Marex rotfls from that "yyy" XD Jul 08 15:41:25 it really strips output at opieirc side -- when i try to type cyrillic, i`ve getting the server message "no text to send" Jul 08 15:41:43 Yup, I see. I wouldn't call it "server" message, though :) Jul 08 15:41:52 mb Jul 08 15:44:00 no, it`s really server msg Jul 08 15:44:18 Darth_Wader, I think you're right. Jul 08 15:44:22 "Parsed: :irc.tambov.ru 412 wader :Not text to send Jul 08 15:44:42 Tambov's irc server is your comrade! :) Jul 08 15:45:00 :) Jul 08 15:45:11 actually, it`s the one at rusnet that support utf-8 encoding Jul 08 15:45:53 oh... Jul 08 15:47:31 this one is on qemuarm Jul 08 15:50:33 well, opieirc itself does nothing to strip stuff. Jul 08 16:14:42 ф Jul 08 16:14:58 hmmm Jul 08 16:15:21 nevermind :) Jul 08 16:15:26 root@h2200:/etc/ipkg$ echo $LANG Jul 08 16:15:27 ru_RU.UTF-8 Jul 08 16:15:29 via ssh Jul 08 16:15:43 same $LANG in opie does report just "en" Jul 08 16:16:02 Darth_Wader, where do you set your LANG? Jul 08 16:16:12 /etc/profile.d/language.sh Jul 08 16:16:19 and what's your shell? Jul 08 16:16:23 copypasta`d from gpe flash Jul 08 16:16:27 busybox Jul 08 16:16:36 in ssh too? Jul 08 16:16:54 I'm not sure busybox loads it in opie-console, anyway. Jul 08 16:17:12 I have /usr/local/bin/runbash as an opie-console shell :) Jul 08 16:17:38 i didn`t install other shells for now Jul 08 16:17:49 ru_RU was from ssh session Jul 08 16:18:12 Well, then busybox also loads profile, but not inopie-console Jul 08 16:18:35 hm Jul 08 16:19:02 hmmm Jul 08 16:19:24 i`ve got zsh built but ipkg says there`s no such package Jul 08 16:20:17 did you index your packages? :) Jul 08 16:20:21 how? Jul 08 16:20:29 bitbake package-index? Jul 08 16:20:36 and did you ipkg update? Jul 08 16:21:00 i did ipkg update and just upgraded the device to my nightly build of opie-image Jul 08 16:21:39 i`ll try package-index now Jul 08 16:23:51 yes, it works this way:) Jul 08 16:24:42 фффф Jul 08 16:24:53 u`ve fixed it? Jul 08 16:24:53 that's better! Jul 08 16:25:10 one way, I think. Ай сынк, уан уэй ;) Jul 08 16:25:20 мм? Jul 08 16:25:21 yup. it only sends utf8 now. Jul 08 16:25:29 oh Jul 08 16:25:39 one step at a time Jul 08 16:44:00 hmm Jul 08 16:44:06 how do i add truetype fonts to opie? Jul 08 16:45:13 custom fonts? Jul 08 16:45:18 yup Jul 08 16:45:23 dunno, never tried it. Jul 08 16:45:41 it seems that i need to add it to /usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir file Jul 08 16:45:52 could be Jul 08 16:46:12 but i can`t get to which app generates this file Jul 08 16:46:36 look into any font's postinst? Jul 08 16:48:10 oh, found it Jul 08 16:48:14 /usr/lib/ipkg/info/opie-ttf-support.postinst:/usr/sbin/update-qtttffontdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype >/usr/lib/opie/lib/fonts/fontdir Jul 08 16:48:37 then how about running it? :) Jul 08 16:48:41 bad Jul 08 16:48:53 it segfaults after three pre-installed fons Jul 08 16:49:07 then your font is probably not good for it.. Jul 08 16:49:34 those fonts works ok with gpe and desktop systems Jul 08 16:49:48 *for it* :) Jul 08 16:50:05 i see Jul 08 16:53:32 поликарп Jul 08 16:53:38 yess! :) Jul 08 16:53:46 it works? Jul 08 16:53:59 сам полукарп Jul 08 16:54:03 yes Jul 08 16:54:05 lol:))) Jul 08 16:54:50 btw, try connecting to irc.tambov.ru:7770 and see if welcome messages would print correctly Jul 08 16:55:00 I think it would. Jul 08 16:55:19 anyway, I'll leave testing to you :) Lemme add the patch to oe and push it now Jul 08 16:55:28 ok Jul 08 16:56:08 у Jul 08 16:59:01 lol Jul 08 16:59:02 0x400e6450 in strchr () from /lib/libc.so.6 Jul 08 16:59:16 that`s the place where update-qtttffontdir fails Jul 08 16:59:35 what's so funny about it? :) ( Jul 08 16:59:45 hmm.. Jul 08 17:00:34 nvw, it`s my personal humor ;) Jul 08 17:01:39 ффф Jul 08 17:01:51 ффф yourself Jul 08 17:03:15 Darth_Wader, feel free to pull. Jul 08 17:03:56 ok Jul 08 17:06:30 фф Jul 08 17:06:41 угу Jul 08 17:06:48 ok, done with that. Jul 08 17:07:12 hi Jul 08 17:07:17 hi Jul 08 17:07:17 he Jul 08 17:08:31 I'm trying to test redesktop with an XP machine but it does not work. I'm getting this error http://www.pastebin.ca/609031 what does that mean? Jul 08 17:10:35 dcordes, maybe you're missing some char conversions? Jul 08 17:12:22 dcordes, maybe glibc-gconv-utf-16 ? Jul 08 17:12:45 thank you I will ry that Jul 08 17:12:58 or ansi one Jul 08 17:13:36 btw, what is the ansi encoding mentioned in error log? Jul 08 17:13:46 i mean for what language it is Jul 08 17:14:15 Darth_Wader, rdp host is a DE machine Jul 08 17:14:57 dcordes, anyway, try grepping ipkg list for anything that seems relevant Jul 08 17:14:59 yes, and if iiuc, it runs wit utf-16 Jul 08 17:15:13 *-if Jul 08 17:17:33 glibc-gconv-utf-16 got me rid of that error I pasted but now the screen flashes a second and then dies Jul 08 17:19:39 any ideas what might be wrong/missing/misconfigured now? Jul 08 17:20:16 nope.. Jul 08 17:20:42 polyonymous: erm.. Jul 08 17:20:50 your patch did one weird thing Jul 08 17:20:55 yeah? Jul 08 17:21:02 or it was my experiments with ttf? Jul 08 17:21:09 anyways, menus are label-less Jul 08 17:21:21 yup, my fault Jul 08 17:21:56 how to add other language support for my device? Jul 08 17:24:24 yup, your fault :) Jul 08 17:24:34 :) Jul 08 17:24:37 XorA, could you be so kind and upgrade rt73-k2wrlz? Jul 08 17:24:57 wrong kernel version persent in repo Jul 08 17:25:51 hm Jul 08 17:26:00 polyonymous: your patch works, partially Jul 08 17:26:08 partially? Jul 08 17:26:15 yu Jul 08 17:26:16 p Jul 08 17:26:21 cyrillic topics Jul 08 17:28:04 hm. Jul 08 17:28:21 it completely strips cyrillic letters from them Jul 08 17:28:29 interesting. Jul 08 17:29:09 but all other seems to work just fine Jul 08 17:29:10 I've benn only playing with network layer... Jul 08 17:29:26 what channelson freenode do we have with cyr topic? Jul 08 17:29:53 #ubuntu-ru f.e Jul 08 17:32:38 Darth_Wader, you mean it's stripped in the "Topic for channel..." message? Jul 08 17:32:43 yes Jul 08 17:33:00 s///g Jul 08 17:34:12 hmm... well, I'll look into it later Jul 08 17:35:42 one patch to s/// above Jul 08 17:35:49 s/.*//g Jul 08 17:36:06 it completely kills any stuff after first cyr letter Jul 08 17:36:09 so it replaces cyrillic with '\0' I take it Jul 08 17:36:43 hmm. sounds reasonably Jul 08 17:36:46 but why? Jul 08 17:37:36 guess the wrong function. Jul 08 17:37:43 I'll look at it later Jul 08 17:37:52 ok Jul 08 17:40:48 could somebody be so kind and check out if rdesktop is working so I can make sure if it is me or not? Jul 08 17:42:12 I have no xp machines :) Jul 08 17:43:13 i have no windows at all:) Jul 08 17:43:32 I didn't imply I have '98 machine :) Jul 08 17:44:01 98me? Jul 08 17:44:03 :) Jul 08 17:44:06 =) Jul 08 17:44:28 I need xp in order to play command&conquer :( Jul 08 17:45:47 i don't need to play command&conquer Jul 08 17:45:48 bbl Jul 08 17:45:59 I do Jul 08 17:57:31 dcordes: not at moment, I dont have any builds setup Jul 08 17:58:09 XorA, I just wanted to mention. Already built for angstrom Jul 08 17:59:21 hi guys Jul 08 17:59:26 hi mimecar Jul 08 18:00:29 mimecar, do you by chance have a windoze XP or 2000 machine around? Jul 08 18:00:48 yes, my computer actually Jul 08 18:01:26 mimecar, did you try to redekstop with it with your zaurus? Jul 08 18:01:46 no, i don't Jul 08 18:02:05 I've played with ssh only Jul 08 18:02:29 mimecar, could you do ma favor and check out if it works for you? I suspect the package to be broken Jul 08 18:03:11 an angstrom package ? Jul 08 18:05:12 mimecar, yes, rdesktop Jul 08 18:05:44 polyonymous: btw, did you fixed opie-today-mailplugin to new layout? Jul 08 18:05:54 do rdesktop need another program on pc side ? Jul 08 18:06:17 mimecar, no you just need to enable rdp service in XP Jul 08 18:06:38 how many space need that program ? Jul 08 18:06:56 I think it is quite small Jul 08 18:07:09 i have some free KB Jul 08 18:07:15 don't know how to find out Jul 08 18:07:20 las time I installed abiword I lost many space Jul 08 18:07:23 mimecar, did you install to internal flash? Jul 08 18:07:51 yes Jul 08 18:08:05 my zaurus c1000 has interal flash only Jul 08 18:08:19 mimecar, I also have the akita Jul 08 18:08:21 ;) Jul 08 18:08:29 can angstrom run on the sd ? Jul 08 18:08:33 but I have ~1gb free Jul 08 18:08:36 yyyep Jul 08 18:08:42 that's what I do Jul 08 18:08:42 :P Jul 08 18:08:57 do altboot works ? Jul 08 18:09:03 wait Jul 08 18:10:41 install altboot on your internal flash system, format a normal SD card (up to 4gb) with ext2 as first partition, download an X11 image (for the same kernel as you have in flash) in tar.gz format and extract it to your card's ext2, boot and select SD Jul 08 18:11:12 then, you must install altboot before ? Jul 08 18:11:30 yes on your current system Jul 08 18:11:50 ok Jul 08 18:11:56 Good evening everybody. Jul 08 18:12:00 hi vanguard Jul 08 18:12:05 hi there Jul 08 18:12:05 Hi mimecar Jul 08 18:12:17 dcordes: system on sd would be usfeul for rom test Jul 08 18:12:37 mimecar, oh yes you save a lot of nerve Jul 08 18:12:58 Question: I want to get bluetooth running. Seems, that the bluez-utils-dbus-* are not avaialable for akita. Jul 08 18:13:01 plus you can install everything you would want Jul 08 18:13:02 i'll be able to change icons without crash the system :P Jul 08 18:13:17 vanguard: have you check the angstrom feed ? Jul 08 18:13:20 Can I use them out of the arm4te-feed ? Jul 08 18:13:32 you should not mix architectures Jul 08 18:13:43 mimecar: I checked. They are not there for arm5te. Jul 08 18:13:52 then, you must wait Jul 08 18:14:01 or compile it Jul 08 18:14:15 if you mix arm version, you will crash the zaurus Jul 08 18:14:21 O.k., but I am right, I must have the *dbus-*-things, must I ? Jul 08 18:14:46 you must install the OE build system Jul 08 18:14:52 :) Jul 08 18:15:29 What about poackages out of openzaurus: Are they compatible ? Jul 08 18:15:41 I miss ethereal (wireshark) Jul 08 18:15:59 gpe packages, it should Jul 08 18:16:02 opie packages no Jul 08 18:16:28 vanguard, I could compile you one Jul 08 18:16:35 I want bt on my akita to Jul 08 18:16:37 o Jul 08 18:16:40 xD Jul 08 18:16:41 Cool ! Jul 08 18:17:00 dcordes: But there are lots of applications missing. Jul 08 18:17:14 vanguard, you sure that's the package you need? Jul 08 18:17:23 Especially those for netanalysis. Jul 08 18:17:25 vanguard: angstrom rom it's begining Jul 08 18:17:41 Yes, yes, there is no hurry. Jul 08 18:17:56 Darth_Wader, rebuild and reinstall, it wasn't broken, I think. Jul 08 18:18:10 vanguard, what's your problem? ipkg update && ipkg install bluez-utils-dbus Jul 08 18:18:16 I am just changing to angstrom, and natuarally I want the same aplications as before running with angstrom-. Jul 08 18:18:23 polyonymous: hmm.. but it was installed to /opt Jul 08 18:18:23 it is in the feeds.... Jul 08 18:18:30 dcordes: They are not in the feed. Jul 08 18:18:54 bluez-utils-dbus-bluepin ! Jul 08 18:19:03 bluepin? Jul 08 18:19:22 Yes, its is somehow I needed before. Jul 08 18:19:34 Darth_Wader, probably built at the wrong time. Simply bitbake -c rebuild and reinstall Jul 08 18:19:40 Maybe I am wrong...... Jul 08 18:19:41 bluez-utils-dbus-bluepin is complied on arm4 and 686 only Jul 08 18:19:52 polyonymous: i`m already at doing it Jul 08 18:19:54 Darth_Wader, do you use opie-mail? Jul 08 18:19:58 yes Jul 08 18:20:04 Darth_Wader, with cyrillic? Jul 08 18:20:05 and it seems to work Jul 08 18:20:18 oh, no recent letters on gmail yet Jul 08 18:20:37 Somehow my bloetooth stcik is no more recognized by angstrom, but it was in openzaurus. So I am looking for the reason. Jul 08 18:20:46 i`ll try "loopback" message sending now Jul 08 18:20:47 vanguard, where is hcitool included? Jul 08 18:20:56 And my idea was: there is something missing. Jul 08 18:21:11 Darth_Wader, last time I checked (~ a year ago) it didn't work... I feel back to ssh as a mail client :) Jul 08 18:21:34 ssh on ipaq is somewhat freaky Jul 08 18:21:41 no keyb, qvga Jul 08 18:21:44 There is no hcitool at all. Jul 08 18:21:57 ah indeed. I'm on Z clamshell Jul 08 18:21:58 vanguard: bluez-utils-compat provides hcitool and hciconfig now Jul 08 18:21:58 vanguard, where would that usually be included? Jul 08 18:22:34 usually ? Bluez-utils, I guess. Jul 08 18:22:36 and dbus-send provides interface to whatever is there :)) Jul 08 18:23:11 Hmm, what do you think, where should I look, to find the reason ?# Jul 08 18:23:20 bluez.org Jul 08 18:23:24 I am not so experienced in bluetooth. Jul 08 18:23:33 we conform to upstream packaging requirements Jul 08 18:24:25 With openzaurus it worked, so there might be a difference. Jul 08 18:25:25 BTW: gpe-package is really crappy. Jul 08 18:25:37 vanguard, the difference is not really OZ/angstrom, but rather the time Jul 08 18:25:47 vanguard: use console Jul 08 18:25:49 I understand (smile) Jul 08 18:25:59 hmm Jul 08 18:26:27 polyonymous: yup, latin1 instead of cyrillic and we`re also unaware of QP encoding of headers Jul 08 18:26:35 mimecar: I am using ipkg in the consoel, but it is really annoying to install 50 applications manually afterwards. Jul 08 18:26:46 (or =?KOI8-R?.. is mime encoding?) Jul 08 18:26:47 Darth_Wader, yes, I know that. Jul 08 18:26:53 I made a script, which does it now. Jul 08 18:27:08 I mean, after a new flash. Jul 08 18:27:09 Darth_Wader, no idea what's the offical term for it, but I know what you mean :) Jul 08 18:27:22 :) Jul 08 18:28:09 Is there still work on OZ or can I saym OZ has changed to angstrom ? Jul 08 18:28:13 vanguard: i have a script with all the apps i use Jul 08 18:28:25 mimecar: So do I. Jul 08 18:28:43 i must debug my script, i install many packages Jul 08 18:28:58 can i know size of installed apps ? Jul 08 18:29:27 vanguard, you'd better ask on #openzaurus, but I'd say that angstrom replaces oz. Jul 08 18:29:32 I have the target: "net analyzes", "office" and "communication". Jul 08 18:29:37 vanguard, and they largely share the same oe, anyway. Jul 08 18:30:27 polyonymous: Yes, I understand. In general I am very pleased, that so many people are working for linux on PDA at all. Jul 08 18:31:08 And I must say, the work is really great, in compare to crappy WinCE. Jul 08 18:31:10 vanguard, and since it's not SO many people it may be easier if they work on one distro for now :) Jul 08 18:31:29 never seen wince. Well, never used it for longer than 1 minute. Jul 08 18:31:44 polyonymous: Yes, indeed. Jul 08 18:32:22 I never used WinCE, too, but I saw it at a friend. Really bad ! Jul 08 18:32:30 if i build a version of angstrom, can i upload it to the angstrom web Jul 08 18:32:37 or should i search another site ? Jul 08 18:34:53 I saw there are no X11-images for akita, only old ones. Maybe you should copy them into the directory with the latest date. Jul 08 18:35:07 vanguard: for me ? Jul 08 18:35:13 Just in case, they should be used. Jul 08 18:35:25 mimecar: No, sorry, meant all. Jul 08 18:35:31 ok, don't worry Jul 08 18:35:47 you can download akita image and update system Jul 08 18:35:55 I did so. Jul 08 18:35:57 there's many bug fixes Jul 08 18:36:25 But my bluetooth-stick is still not working. Jul 08 18:37:04 * koen|inverness hints at the rules on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Jul 08 18:37:27 dmesg says nothing exept: USB reset. grml..... Jul 08 18:39:10 vanguard: what's the prolem ? Jul 08 18:39:45 The USB-stick is not seen. Jul 08 18:40:07 It is not recognized by the device. Jul 08 18:40:24 my neighbour has a Nokia 6103 Jul 08 18:40:59 dcordes: And the bluetooth-number is "0000" ? Jul 08 18:41:11 vanguard, are you talking about the mac? Jul 08 18:41:50 Oh, sorry, no , I talked about my SL-C1000 with a usb-bluetooth-stick. Jul 08 18:42:01 koen|inverness: would a non english version of angstrom be on the angstrom feed ? Jul 08 18:42:39 mimecar: what to you mean with a 'non english version of angstrom' ? Jul 08 18:42:53 we want build a spanish version Jul 08 18:43:02 with spanish locale and soma packages more Jul 08 18:43:12 make packages then Jul 08 18:43:36 yes, but you need install the english rom and , after, update it Jul 08 18:44:05 my idea is use the rom with locales directly Jul 08 18:44:43 who's 'we'? Jul 08 18:44:51 some spanish guys and i Jul 08 18:45:05 (and such things need to be discussed on the angstrom-devel mailinglist) Jul 08 18:45:11 ok Jul 08 18:45:23 i'll write a email this wekk to the list Jul 08 18:45:25 thanks :) Jul 08 18:48:08 mimecar: if you want Spanish version, you'd better write an Angstrom installer, and let everyone choose own language at all. Jul 08 18:48:23 koen|inverness: Did you build the images for akita ? Jul 08 18:48:39 with that method you must download the english version first, isn't it? Jul 08 18:48:53 and modify it on pda Jul 08 18:52:25 psokolovsky: what do you understand to "angstrom installer" ? Jul 08 18:52:52 Got the reason !!! Yes !! Jul 08 18:53:01 mimecar: you never saw an installer for Linux distro? Jul 08 18:53:13 yes Jul 08 18:53:16 that's the thing that installs stuff. Jul 08 18:53:42 you need all the versions and "create" files for the choosen version Jul 08 18:53:46 It is the module "ohci-hcd" which did not load automatically, as it should. Jul 08 18:57:19 could you tryout rdesktop mimecar? would be very kind. you only need to install the package on your akita and run "%SYSTEMROOT%\system32\rcimlby.exe -LaunchRA" on the xp machine Jul 08 18:57:43 wait, i must check dependences first Jul 08 18:58:00 if i lost free space, i'' get problems Jul 08 18:58:16 h,, Jul 08 18:58:18 hmm Jul 08 19:00:28 dcordes: do you know the space the program and their dependences use ? Jul 08 19:00:43 i have around 500k free on internal flash now Jul 08 19:00:44 mimecar, no sorry, as I said I have no idea how to find out Jul 08 19:01:02 could you remove abiword or so for the time testing? Jul 08 19:01:11 i removed it Jul 08 19:01:18 but all the x11 dependences remain Jul 08 19:01:20 wait Jul 08 19:03:47 wifi card doesn't work Jul 08 19:03:50 rebooting zayrys Jul 08 19:07:37 ooh sorry sandby Jul 08 19:07:43 mimecar, did you try? Jul 08 19:08:12 i have problems with wifi Jul 08 19:10:19 wifi don't work, dcordes___ i can't install anything Jul 08 19:10:23 Hmm, abiword fails to start. It requires a "libwv-1.2.so.0" . Does somebody know where to find ? Jul 08 19:10:39 hmmm Jul 08 19:10:57 vanguard: i installwd abiword without problems Jul 08 19:11:25 Is ist running ? Jul 08 19:11:39 for me, yes Jul 08 19:12:25 device not found :( Jul 08 19:13:48 Hmm, dis you install abiword or abiword-embeded ? Jul 08 19:14:00 abiword Jul 08 19:15:07 o.k., I have them both. Maybe this is the reason. Jul 08 19:16:26 Anyway, I will test it tomorrow. Jul 08 19:16:55 Now time for other things. Bye till tomomorrow. Jul 08 19:17:01 byes Jul 08 19:18:54 mimecar, does your wifi work again? Jul 08 19:19:03 it doesn't work Jul 08 19:19:11 i think i must reflash Jul 08 19:20:21 mimecar, install to sd then ;) Jul 08 19:21:38 i will wait until this friday to do it Jul 08 19:23:04 dcordes: then, after install altboot on interal flash Jul 08 19:23:11 i can create system on the sd ? Jul 08 19:23:18 yep Jul 08 19:23:25 just extract x11 image.tar.gz Jul 08 19:23:49 mimecar, note that you must have that on an ext2 on your card as _first_ partition Jul 08 19:24:56 ok Jul 08 19:25:03 can i use loop file ? Jul 08 19:26:26 mimecar, I only tried extracting the tar.gz Jul 08 19:26:34 ok Jul 08 19:26:44 altboot says something about looking for loop images so you could try Jul 08 19:26:46 loop file is a safer method to test things Jul 08 19:26:56 on another zaurus, yes Jul 08 19:28:23 mimecar, ? Jul 08 19:28:45 i used loop files on my other zaurus Jul 08 19:31:46 time to lunch Jul 08 19:31:50 byes.... Jul 08 20:06:39 hello, wondering if anyone here can tell me what Angstrom is like on a Sharp Collie these days? Jul 08 20:06:56 the OZ page suggests that there is an SD/MMC card driver now Jul 08 20:07:09 so I take it that the collie gets to run 2.6 kernel now Jul 08 20:07:47 I'm wondering if it is faster/slower and if mp3 playback works okay? Jul 08 20:11:09 Back Jul 08 20:12:31 dcordes: abiword is running now. It is no bug at all, only a "dependency-problem". Must I report such a thing as a bug ???? Jul 08 20:12:44 The solutionm is Jul 08 20:13:30 The solution is: You must install the package "wv" which is NOT automatically installed by abiword (but is required) . Jul 08 20:14:13 The package "wv" includes the necessary lib "libwv.so.0". Jul 08 20:14:35 But I do not know, if this is a bug at all. Jul 08 20:15:02 vanguard, something is not working as it should Jul 08 20:15:14 so I think you could just open a ticket Jul 08 20:15:17 Yes, thats o.k. Jul 08 20:15:49 Although this will be fixed in a minute. :) Jul 08 20:16:15 Bluetooth is running now, too ! Jul 08 20:17:30 vanguard, you installed bluez-utils-compat right? Jul 08 20:17:33 A kernel-related thing: the module "uhci-hcd" is not loaded automatically, when the USB-stick is putr into the port. Jul 08 20:18:13 No, I already had installed everything. But I had to mload the kernel-module manually (which should be loaded automatically) Jul 08 20:19:16 Maybe this is a bug , too. I am not so experienced with the autoloader. Jul 08 20:19:53 vanguard, you are talking about ohci_hcd Jul 08 20:19:57 Yes. Jul 08 20:20:00 this normal you have to modprobe it manually Jul 08 20:20:48 Oh, do I ? Hmm.... This is new for me. I thought, I could put it in /etc/modules. Jul 08 20:21:11 So, it will not be loaded by the kernel ??? Jul 08 20:21:16 vanguard, /etc/modutils Jul 08 20:21:53 Sry, I am debian-poisoned. :) Jul 08 20:24:19 When I understand it correct, I just have to edit a file named "uhci-hcd" with the content "uhci-hcd", and it will loaded automatically ?= Jul 08 20:24:35 I'm ubuntu poisoned Jul 08 20:24:38 hi CoreDump Jul 08 20:24:43 hi there Jul 08 20:24:48 vanguard: long time no see Jul 08 20:24:50 vanguard, it is ohci_hcd not uhci-hcd Jul 08 20:24:51 Hi CoreDump ! Jul 08 20:25:11 CoreDump: Yes, really nice to see you ! Jul 08 20:25:20 dcordes: Yes.... Jul 08 20:26:30 CoreDump: How are things ? Jul 08 20:26:37 not too bad ;) Jul 08 20:27:08 I guess you finally converted to GPE? Jul 08 20:27:19 Yes, and finally to angstrom. Jul 08 20:27:59 My 5500 is still running OZ + GPE, while my SL-C1000 is now running angstrom. Jul 08 20:28:16 =) Jul 08 20:28:26 * CoreDump is using angstrom as well Jul 08 20:28:45 http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusCollie?highlight=%28collie%29 says collie doesn't do audio Jul 08 20:28:50 on angstrom Jul 08 20:29:03 There are still some things I miss. Some network analyzers are missing (tcptrack i.e. and ethereal) , but I hope, thjey will appear soon. Jul 08 20:29:05 anyone know if that is still the case (the page is based on 2.6.12 kernel) Jul 08 20:30:30 CoreDump: Did I tell you, I am now LPI1 certified (yes, you guess: LPI2 will be soon , too) Jul 08 20:30:55 oh fuck it... I'll just flash it and see for myself Jul 08 20:31:08 jumpkick: Sry, cannot help. Jul 08 20:31:20 vanguard: congratulations =) Jul 08 20:31:38 vanguard: thanks, and congrads on LPI Jul 08 20:31:51 CoreDump: Thanks, but I know myself: LPI1 can make everybody. Jul 08 20:32:27 * CoreDump doesn't have any CS certs Jul 08 20:33:27 You don`t need to. You are much much cleverer than me. Jul 08 20:34:45 I wish :\ Jul 08 20:35:11 You are ! Everybody, who can code is cleverer than me. Jul 08 20:35:28 I got a job offer from Google.....I didn't meet the requirements for a single job =) Jul 08 20:36:12 lol Jul 08 20:36:17 * CoreDump cries Jul 08 20:36:24 You ???? Jul 08 20:36:33 I don't meet the requirements for any of their jobs either... Jul 08 20:36:45 CoreDump, great. Thay dumped me, although they contacted me myself :) Jul 08 20:37:09 the google spoke to you??? Jul 08 20:37:17 computers are my hobby, my job is in electronics engineering... Jul 08 20:37:29 ahh.. I mean they contacted me themselves, of course. Jul 08 20:37:39 CoreDump: Cool ! Jul 08 20:38:28 * CoreDump would probably have relocated to Mountain View/CA in an eye blink =) Jul 08 20:39:09 CoreDump, maybe that was the problem, I didn't want to cross the atlantic :) Jul 08 20:39:17 polyonymous: heh Jul 08 20:40:14 CoreDump: mountain view is way too creepy to live in Jul 08 20:40:24 koen|inverness: why is that? Jul 08 20:40:46 everyone is ~26 years old and employed by google Jul 08 20:40:50 HEHEHE Jul 08 20:41:04 they should rename it to Google View then Jul 08 20:41:10 indeed Jul 08 20:41:12 lol Jul 08 20:41:15 a town full of nerds! Perfect! Jul 08 20:41:19 Google earth....... Jul 08 20:41:26 people walk around with opened laptops there Jul 08 20:41:45 you've been there? Jul 08 20:41:53 better to grab and dash off with Jul 08 20:42:08 yes, I had to change trains there a few times to get to SF Jul 08 20:42:16 the wifi is a nice touch Jul 08 20:43:15 * jumpkick flashes away OZ on his collie... Jul 08 20:43:37 well, I'd be an old fart w/ ~30 there =) Jul 08 20:43:45 as I said...perfect hehe Jul 08 20:44:04 CoreDump: we can lead the old farts revolution Jul 08 20:44:04 wb mimecar Jul 08 20:44:04 not old, wise... Jul 08 20:44:29 Not older, BETTER ! Jul 08 20:44:30 XorA: =) Jul 08 20:44:56 mimecar: I got abiword running ! Jul 08 20:45:25 your only as old as the girl you feel (lucky for me) Jul 08 20:45:38 that's good Jul 08 20:45:38 XorA: Problem No1 would be to get an actual job there =) Jul 08 20:45:43 god hh.org cvs crawls Jul 08 20:45:45 XorA: heh Jul 08 20:45:48 I do never feel like a girl. Jul 08 20:45:59 mimecar: It was a missing package:. wv. Jul 08 20:46:16 vanguard: I think you missed the pun Jul 08 20:46:21 It should have been installed with abiword, but did not. Jul 08 20:46:32 XorA: cvs(TM) Jul 08 20:46:48 XorA: Hmm, I suppose, I do not want to be girl, too. Jul 08 20:47:06 :) I would be an ugly girl.... Jul 08 20:47:16 vanguard: didn't you hear that "wooosh" sound ? Jul 08 20:47:25 it was the joker flying over your head =) Jul 08 20:47:32 vanguard: I dunno, girls are always jealous of trannies legs as men dont accumlate fat there Jul 08 20:47:33 *joke Jul 08 20:47:42 :) Jul 08 20:48:18 flying jokers here... Jul 08 20:48:34 * jumpkick thinks Angstrom might suffer from the Microsoft 98% progress bar bug Jul 08 20:48:45 XorA: Dunno, I have enough trouble , to be a man. Jul 08 20:49:12 jumpkick: Still problems ? Jul 08 20:49:50 vanguard: don't know... it got almost to the end of the loading progress screen and it has just kind of stopped there for the last 2 minutes Jul 08 20:49:58 not sure what it's doing Jul 08 20:50:09 You can see it. Jul 08 20:51:03 Press Fn and (the button right of the round knob) light. Jul 08 20:51:54 * XorA has to have doctors and nurses wearing dungarees Jul 08 20:52:01 I believe it is this combination. Anyway "Fn" on the keyboard and one of the big keys will show you the kernel messages. Jul 08 20:52:33 .....the boot messages, I mean. Jul 08 20:53:08 vanguard: tried Fn + Right, Fn + mail, Fn + Ok Jul 08 20:53:10 ... Jul 08 20:53:37 mashed the keyboard while hold Fn for good measure Jul 08 20:53:38 Fn + OK Jul 08 20:53:46 think it's locked Jul 08 20:53:51 Yes. Jul 08 20:54:13 Did you flash with a CF-card ? Jul 08 20:54:52 If yes, put all cards out (especially sd-cards !) at the first boot. Jul 08 20:55:25 vanguard: oh, I had replaced the CF card with my CF Wifi card Jul 08 20:55:30 SD was out Jul 08 20:55:31 I had much problems, to get any crads running with angstrom. It is a kernel related problem. Jul 08 20:55:34 Darth_Wader, you can pull opie-irc again. Jul 08 20:55:55 I see Jul 08 20:56:06 I think I have to reflash... Jul 08 20:56:24 With angstrom-collie I got no-sdcard running and the CF-card only with a lot of hard work to do. Jul 08 20:56:40 lots of "mcp write timed out" msgs Jul 08 20:57:26 jumpkick: Yes, it is a kernel problem. The kernel is crappy. It is the reason, why my 5500 is still running with OZ. Jul 08 20:59:03 I had the same problems with akita, but now (thankls to 2.6.21 ) , they are gone. Jul 08 20:59:24 polyonymous: topic fixed? Jul 08 20:59:40 Darth_Wader, yup Jul 08 21:00:21 Darth_Wader, feel free to /j #trus - I used it for testing and I haven't closed it yet :) Jul 08 21:00:22 !google define inverness Jul 08 21:00:23 Images @ http://images.google.com/images?um=1 | IMA - Financial Blogs for IMA (Invernes @ http://www.phatinvestor.com/phatsearch.html?q=IMA%20class=l | Inverness Medical Switzerland GmbH and @ http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/07300310360521324%20class=l Jul 08 21:00:58 vanguard: I see... for a sec I thought it bricked on me... but it's reflashing now Jul 08 21:01:14 I'll give it one more try and then roll back to OZ Jul 08 21:01:42 CoreDump: inverness, town in scotland Jul 08 21:01:54 XorA: ah thanks Jul 08 21:01:57 If it will boot, you can try to install altboot. Then you can install everything on sd-card. Jul 08 21:02:09 Nice town ! Jul 08 21:02:17 I don't think altboot works on angstrom/collie yet... Jul 08 21:02:24 lol that's one nice bot Jul 08 21:02:30 we have there Jul 08 21:02:31 A few miles away from Loch Ness.... Jul 08 21:02:43 !google define Nessy Jul 08 21:02:44 Images @ http://images.google.com/images?um=1 | NeSSy: enabling mass E-negotiations of @ http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/8719/27592/01232124.pdf?arnumber=1232124%20class=l | The Loch Ness Monster: Biography and Muc @ http://www.answers.com/topic/the-loch-ness-monster%20class=l Jul 08 21:02:55 CoreDump: It does ! Jul 08 21:03:06 really? nice =) Jul 08 21:03:17 But ther is a problem with sd-cards: They are not seen. Jul 08 21:03:52 sd driver on collie isnt built in if I remeber right Jul 08 21:03:59 My tries with the cf-card failed, too. It was not possible to mount it correctly. Jul 08 21:04:05 it wants to start as soon as I hit reset... I do wish it would wait till I could replace the battery cover... :D Jul 08 21:04:47 Just press the reset button after flash again, without CD. Jul 08 21:05:06 But angstrom will boot at once ! Jul 08 21:05:53 You can use the switch, too. Jul 08 21:05:55 without CD? Jul 08 21:06:06 wiothout the C and D key. Jul 08 21:06:11 ooh Jul 08 21:06:21 right Jul 08 21:06:26 :) Jul 08 21:06:44 I can't get the Fn+Ok thing to go Jul 08 21:07:00 maybe I'm not quick enough at the start Jul 08 21:07:35 No, the Fn + OK, you should use during the first boot. Jul 08 21:08:19 So it will switch from the splash screen to console. Jul 08 21:08:26 I'm into the console now Jul 08 21:08:37 font is all caps Jul 08 21:08:57 Yes, big fonts. Jul 08 21:10:48 is there a "first-boot" script? or can I just start opie via /etc/init.d? Jul 08 21:11:21 There is no opie. And no X ! Jul 08 21:11:32 It did not fit into the image. Jul 08 21:11:44 You have to install all manually. Jul 08 21:12:50 ack! Jul 08 21:13:01 Hint: You should write a script, which will install all necessary packages. So you can start it after every flash. Jul 08 21:13:52 I can send you mine, but this is made for OZ. Anyway, you can change it for you. Jul 08 21:15:12 vanguard: since my WIFI CF card doesn't work there probably isn't much point... :( Jul 08 21:15:37 jumpkick: Yes, I see...... Jul 08 21:16:45 Can someone tell me the difference between abiword and abiword-embedded ? Jul 08 21:21:28 vanguard: -embedded has a smaller toolbar and menu Jul 08 21:21:36 vanguard: so you get more space for your document Jul 08 21:22:20 Is there a way to use small fonts on the console? Jul 08 21:22:29 ok, I understand. What about functions ? Especially reading and writing *.doc ? Jul 08 21:22:30 all caps sucks Jul 08 21:22:42 vanguard: the same Jul 08 21:22:58 XorA: Ok, thanks. Jul 08 21:29:33 oh Jul 08 21:29:45 I think I know why my Wifi CF doesn't work Jul 08 21:29:53 IPV6 is loaded Jul 08 21:33:02 `rm /etc/modutils/IPV6; update-modules; reboot` should do it I think Jul 08 21:42:53 nope Jul 08 21:42:57 doesn't work Jul 08 21:45:49 maybe prism wifi cards don't work on this guy Jul 08 21:45:55 oh well... Jul 08 21:45:59 time to flash back I guess Jul 08 21:46:14 Yes, just wait a little bit. Jul 08 21:46:24 Things will improve in time. Jul 08 21:47:16 Anyway, it is late here in Germany. I will rest now. Have a nice day. Bye bye... Jul 08 21:47:36 vanguard: night Jul 08 21:47:49 n8 vanguard Jul 08 21:47:57 n8 CoreDump ! Jul 08 22:08:32 jumpkick, which machine do you have? Jul 08 22:09:35 erdinger_: I have a Collie (z5500?) w/ a Netgear MA701 (prism or prism2) wifi card Jul 08 22:12:02 erdinger_: I know the CF slot works, as it mounted my lexar CF and it spit up a whole bunch of text when I inserted my wifi card, along with generating a wlan0 device Jul 08 22:12:12 but no luck getting an IP Jul 08 22:14:43 jumpkick, do you get a signal level shown up with iwconfig when you set your ap/key? Jul 08 22:20:15 erdinger_: I'm about to try it Jul 08 22:20:28 just need to figure out how to set my AP key Jul 08 22:21:10 jumpkick, wep? Jul 08 22:21:25 erdinger_: no Jul 08 22:21:39 I thought you meant set the SSID Jul 08 22:21:49 both Jul 08 22:22:53 jumpkick, just the way you did that before in openzaurus? Jul 08 22:23:05 easy way is to hardcode ssid and key Jul 08 22:23:17 in /etc/network/interfaces Jul 08 22:23:28 erdinger_: in OZ I used the networking control panel Jul 08 22:23:40 and it pretty much picked up the router automatically Jul 08 22:24:21 jumpkick, ah I see. I have no idea what it is called but I bet there is something similar or even the same graphical tool available for angstrom Jul 08 22:24:30 you are on GPE, aren't you? Jul 08 22:24:55 erdinger_: I'm told the collie image doesn't have room for such luxuries as a graphical tool Jul 08 22:25:14 like no opie/gpe at all Jul 08 22:25:17 I don't know Jul 08 22:25:35 it started up with a graphical status bar, but it gets stuck at 98% and locks up Jul 08 22:25:42 oops so you're using a console image right now? Jul 08 22:25:43 so I have to use console to play at all Jul 08 22:25:47 I guess Jul 08 22:25:56 do you have SD support? Jul 08 22:26:03 on your machine? Jul 08 22:26:05 I got it from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/ Jul 08 22:26:10 ok Jul 08 22:26:35 supposedly the OZ guys have stopped development in favour of Angstrom Jul 08 22:26:39 looks like there is no graphical image available yet Jul 08 22:27:28 if you want a GPE or opie image you can build one yourself using the OE development enviornmet or hope somebody will upload one Jul 08 22:27:42 I suppose I could try Jul 08 22:28:04 but it was a painful process building OZ last time I dabbled in it Jul 08 22:28:44 sorry wrong nick Jul 08 22:28:54 I think I'll just go back to OZ 3.5.whatverworks for now... Jul 08 22:29:20 Collie is the ugly duckling in the Zaurus family Jul 08 22:29:27 jumpkick, sl-c1000 here I had the same problem when I switched over from OZ Jul 08 22:29:44 I see Jul 08 22:29:45 but the new kernel and all is way better. Jul 08 22:29:56 my device got faster and everything looks good.. more apps Jul 08 22:30:59 dcordes: if I had a graphical interface... I could probably appreciate it a lot more Jul 08 22:31:25 it is pretty much pointless to release an image in this state for collie Jul 08 22:32:14 anyway Jul 08 22:33:54 jumpkick, why did you install it then? Jul 08 22:36:28 http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/ Jul 08 22:36:32 hrw|gone, CoreDump and Laibsch are maintainers for the collie. Maybe they can give you more information on the situation for your machine with angstrom. Jul 08 22:36:35 openzaurus is over Jul 08 22:36:39 I know Jul 08 22:37:36 there was some suggestion on the page that the thing holding the collie back to 2.4 was the SD card reader not working on 2.6 Jul 08 22:38:07 the new build lacks SD card support from all I can tell Jul 08 22:38:33 I figured it would have a UI Jul 08 22:38:43 since there is no mention that it's console only Jul 08 23:01:47 jumpkick: Read the bug tracker on collie state. The reason you got stuck on 98% is documented as is the way to get out of this. Jul 08 23:02:13 But I think collie is not in a state where non-devs can use for day-to-day operation. Jul 08 23:02:19 That will take some more time. Jul 08 23:04:38 Laibsch, which oebug is that? Jul 08 23:05:04 http://bugs.openembedded.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=collie Jul 08 23:05:10 there's a lot Jul 08 23:05:14 which one is it? Jul 08 23:06:26 ooh Jul 08 23:06:40 I bet it's "can not start GPE" on this list http://bugs.openembedded.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%2Bangstrom+%2Bcollie Jul 08 23:09:41 jumpkick, just try it out. get your wifi up and ipkg install gpe-task-base package. Jul 08 23:13:52 I think the collie status bug is Jul 08 23:13:55 !oebug 2148 Jul 08 23:13:57 * * Bug 2148, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-28 01:31 Jul 08 23:13:58 * * : meta-bug: collie angstrom Jul 08 23:13:59 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 Jul 08 23:14:04 yes, that one Jul 08 23:14:34 Laibsch, is there also such a status bug for akita? Jul 08 23:14:42 yes Jul 08 23:15:00 jumpkick: Your problem is Jul 08 23:15:02 We need a meta-bug for meta-bugs :) Jul 08 23:15:03 !oebug 2151 Jul 08 23:15:04 * * Bug 2151, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-28 01:44 Jul 08 23:15:05 * * : angstrom collie basically hangs at boot Jul 08 23:15:06 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2151 Jul 08 23:15:20 polyonymous: Just search for meta in the title. That should suffice Jul 08 23:15:23 That is what I do. Jul 08 23:15:27 can someone do a an `iwconfig --help` and tell me what the switch to set the essid? Jul 08 23:15:36 Laibsch, ah ok :) Jul 08 23:15:42 it's not readable on my Z Jul 08 23:15:56 iwconfig dev essid "essid" ? Jul 08 23:16:01 jumpkick, iwconfig ath0 essid youressid Jul 08 23:16:09 k thanks Jul 08 23:16:37 jumpkick: To get a UI, you will need to install altboot in flash and then create a loop-back image on SD or CF which contains a full image Jul 08 23:16:41 then, afterwards check if your card gets connected with iwconfig Jul 08 23:17:23 jumpkick: If you want to be the first to test, http://oz.leggewie.org/glibc/images/collie/x11-image-collie.ext2.gz is such an altboot image Jul 08 23:17:45 I have not yet tested it myself and thus it is not yet available "publically" Jul 08 23:18:23 Laibsch: I see... Don't think SD works for me, but I might be able to install it on my CF Jul 08 23:18:26 You need to put it in "boot-images/$somename-roots.bin", I believe. Same as the name for OZ previously. Jul 08 23:18:46 rootfs.bin Jul 08 23:21:06 dcordes: http://tinyurl.com/2p9rfc Jul 08 23:21:14 Actually there is no akita bug per se. Jul 08 23:21:20 But I think Jul 08 23:21:31 !oebug 2156 Jul 08 23:21:32 * * Bug 2156, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-29 02:48 Jul 08 23:21:33 * * : Meta-Bug for SL-C3xxx machines on angstrom Jul 08 23:21:34 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2156 Jul 08 23:21:54 is close enough. If you prefer to have your own meta-bug, feel free to create it. Jul 08 23:22:15 Probably better to create a new meta-bug. Jul 08 23:22:36 ok, got my wifi card going and I can SSH in finally Jul 08 23:26:36 Laibsch, I've just pushed pobox and nunome. And they do _seem_ to work for me in qemuarm Jul 08 23:26:58 of course as much as I can test it. Jul 08 23:27:06 Because it's like japanese to me :) Jul 08 23:27:17 polyonymous: Thanks. I will give them a spin in the next few days. Jul 08 23:27:37 I have some visitors now, so if I don't give you an update within the week, ping me. Jul 08 23:27:43 Thank you for your work. Jul 08 23:27:56 if I don't forget myself :) You're welcome. Jul 08 23:28:13 I've had my 100th commit to oe yesterday, btw :) Jul 08 23:28:34 polyonymous: Wow, cool thing. Jul 08 23:28:47 You will soon be second after koen. Jul 08 23:29:00 it's no wonder it's happened yesterday - I've had 36 commit yesterday :) Jul 08 23:33:02 oh hey, someone last night was having issues w/ pulling and updating OE, seemd like there were two brances Jul 08 23:33:16 branches, one was a polyonymous branch, and one was a Laibsch branch Jul 08 23:33:50 summatusmentis, yes, Laibsch's push seemed to be a lengthy one and finished after I went off. Jul 08 23:34:23 polyonymous: well, it was only him having issues, I didn't have any problems Jul 08 23:34:33 summatusmentis, you should've :) Jul 08 23:34:42 and why would that cause multiple branches? Jul 08 23:34:47 unless someone merged heads before you tried your pull Jul 08 23:34:53 concurrent push Jul 08 23:34:58 ah, ok Jul 08 23:35:11 well, it was only him having issues, myself and Darth_Wader didn't have any problems Jul 08 23:35:59 polyonymous: Oh, you were the guy that made me wonder why I had 56 commit to import although I have cron do a pull at least once a day ;-) Jul 08 23:36:02 It was unnice of you. As I have already told you - you should've had the same problem unless someone has merged heads before you pulled. Jul 08 23:36:22 Laibsch, ;-)))) I'm only responsible for 36 according to cia :) Jul 08 23:43:20 somebody knows if this one is yet fixed? Jul 08 23:43:24 !oebug 2407 Jul 08 23:43:25 * * Bug 2407, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-31 10:35 Jul 08 23:43:26 * * : build of sysvinit fails in do_install Jul 08 23:43:27 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2407 Jul 08 23:44:14 I think yes Jul 08 23:44:39 lemme check it again Jul 08 23:44:48 sysvinit: fix build for those passing DISTRO via environment Jul 08 23:44:54 rev 862020d539b671d14575834bfda296adc8ef20ec Jul 08 23:45:16 2007-06-24 Jul 08 23:46:17 I haven't seen the bug. I think it can be closed now. Jul 08 23:48:26 heh, mid-air collision :) Jul 08 23:48:56 I'll submit it anyway, since my message points to the revision. Jul 08 23:49:24 ok Jul 08 23:49:44 btw, Laibsch, I already run usr-based opie on my "production" handheld. Jul 08 23:51:03 dcordes: Are you Lukas? Please look through the meta bug for C3xxx if there are any bugs which should block the akita meta-bug. Jul 08 23:51:22 Laibsch, yep that's me. ok sir Jul 08 23:51:58 Okay, last cigarette and I'm off to bed :) Jul 08 23:52:42 gnite Jul 08 23:52:59 how long do you think it takes me to smoke a cig? :) Jul 08 23:53:38 depends Jul 08 23:53:53 well, not THAT fast :) Jul 09 00:00:41 sorry, somehow I was assuming that you smoke your cigarette while already afk Jul 09 00:01:38 Ah, no way :) Jul 09 00:01:57 While smoking I also submitted a opie-irc patches to opie bugtracker. Jul 09 00:02:00 And now I'm gone. Jul 09 00:02:03 night all Jul 09 00:02:26 polyonymous: night. and thanks! Jul 09 00:03:00 night. and the pleasure is all mine :)) Jul 09 00:03:03 * polyonymous is gone. Jul 09 00:06:10 bye Jul 09 01:13:15 will there be some sort of 'cross device' framework between zaurus and neo1973? Something like... sending text messages using the Z keyboard, across bluetooth/stuff like that? Jul 09 01:14:57 if you could manage making the zaurus keyboard a bt hid device no problem i think Jul 09 01:15:12 but I don't know much about bt Jul 09 01:15:25 dcordes: well, for instance, apple laptops can send text messages via the phone w/ bluetooth Jul 09 01:15:54 that's an interesting idea Jul 09 01:15:59 summatusmentis, do you own a neo? Jul 09 01:16:18 I don't... poor soon to be college student Jul 09 01:16:22 and no gsm Jul 09 01:18:30 I'm looking forward to the GTA02 release Jul 09 01:19:47 as am I. I might have to wait till the othere devices are announced, as I've got a year and a half on my phone contract :-/ Jul 09 01:23:03 i think you should look at something like gammu or gnokii -- both of them can send sms via command-line (iirc it is achieved through ehnanced AT command set for cellphones) Jul 09 01:24:19 don`t think that neo1973 will be an exception of this rules Jul 09 01:24:41 summatusmentis, see there you ago Jul 09 01:24:58 ssh your neo and write sms with cli Jul 09 01:25:10 lol Jul 09 01:25:25 "sending sms? trying.. with ed" Jul 09 01:25:25 that's the 'non-gui' way of doing things Jul 09 01:25:54 yup, btw there`s some guis to gammu/gnokii iirc Jul 09 01:26:29 hrm... interesting Jul 09 01:27:01 * summatusmentis is worried that the neo will obsolete the Z **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007