**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007
Jul 09 07:57:53 <XorA> morning
Jul 09 10:26:41 <eekee> Hiyyo. using bash on a spitz with a cwd of / if I try to source anything instead of sourcing I get a symlink: arm-* which just links to itself
Jul 09 10:27:09 <eekee> doesn't happen when cwd is elsewhere & the file being sourced is in /
Jul 09 10:28:16 <eekee> (e.g.: /tt exists & is bash code. (cd / ; . tt) fails; (cd /root ; . ../tt) works
Jul 09 10:28:50 <eekee> also having problems running a complex bash application. It mostly works but not quite :)
Jul 09 10:30:03 <eekee> ah, it's any time you source something w/o a / in the pathname
Jul 09 10:34:38 <eekee> package is bash_3.2-r1_armv5te.ipk
Jul 09 10:34:51 <polyonymous> hm
Jul 09 10:35:17 <polyonymous> not sure what you mean.
Jul 09 10:35:36 <polyonymous> I've just started bash, cd to / and sourced in etc/profile, is that it?
Jul 09 10:36:14 <polyonymous> and cd / ; . tt also work provided tt exists.
Jul 09 10:36:46 <eekee> sourcing etc/profile won't show the bug anyhow
Jul 09 10:37:18 <polyonymous> eekee, I created tt as well
Jul 09 10:37:27 <eekee> right *nod*
Jul 09 10:37:47 <eekee> which version of bash are you using, & which package?
Jul 09 10:37:59 <polyonymous> could it have something to do with ls -laD /
Jul 09 10:38:13 <polyonymous> the one that is built by default in oe
Jul 09 10:38:27 <polyonymous> bash - 3.2-r1 - An sh-compatible command language interpreter.
Jul 09 10:38:48 <eekee> oh, I'm using binaries from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/
Jul 09 10:39:02 <polyonymous> I built myself, but it should be essentially the same
Jul 09 10:39:10 <polyonymous> build
Jul 09 10:39:14 <eekee> hmmm
Jul 09 10:39:51 <eekee> I'm gonna try compiling bash, unless I try one other than from the armv5te/ dir
Jul 09 10:40:08 <polyonymous> I don't think it's bash problem. Most likely something with filesystem.
Jul 09 10:41:08 <eekee> I do get a warning that I'm mounting an ext3 fs as ext2
Jul 09 10:41:35 <polyonymous> that shouldn't lead to such an effect.
Jul 09 10:41:56 <eekee> no
Jul 09 10:42:03 <polyonymous> Anyway, let's hope you figure it yourself as I need to run off now.
Jul 09 10:42:37 <eekee> ok
Jul 09 10:42:45 <eekee> now I can't umount it lol
Jul 09 13:39:23 <Readon>  I meet a problem that init process hang up without any prompt after kernel started. any suggestion? is a bug for angstrom or sysvinit package?
Jul 09 15:47:02 <dnix> hi
Jul 09 15:55:06 <eekee> lo
Jul 09 17:04:09 <Darth_Wader> what devices altboot was designed to run on?
Jul 09 17:12:07 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: you really should try it on h2200 and report results
Jul 09 17:13:09 <Darth_Wader> hm
Jul 09 17:13:30 <Darth_Wader> just tried to bitbake it
Jul 09 17:13:44 <Darth_Wader> and it failed at do_install:
Jul 09 17:13:49 <Darth_Wader> /media/build/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/staging/i686-linux/bin/install-sh: /media/build/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/h2200-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/altboot-1.1.1+wip-SVNR66-r
Jul 09 17:13:52 <Darth_Wader> 0/trunk//altboot*.cfg does not exist.
Jul 09 17:14:28 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: well, have a look inside, I bet it's all solvable
Jul 09 17:14:53 <Darth_Wader> already.. there`s really no .cfg files there at all
Jul 09 17:36:00 <Darth_Wader> hm
Jul 09 17:36:02 <Darth_Wader> got it
Jul 09 17:36:12 <Darth_Wader> psokol                install -m 0644 ${S}/${MACHINE_DIR}/altboot*.cfg ${D}/etc/
Jul 09 17:36:27 <Darth_Wader> ${MACHINE_DIR} is ""
Jul 09 17:38:45 <Darth_Wader> psokolovsky: is there supposed to be anything for h2200 or i`m entirely on my own with creating config for it?
Jul 09 17:42:43 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: on your own, so far altboot was z-only game, and it's time to change that. I don't think it would be hard to create a config
Jul 09 17:43:30 <Darth_Wader> maybe.. how it does select which env to boot?
Jul 09 17:45:12 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: if I knew such details ;-) or do you mean how does it show menu? ;-)
Jul 09 17:46:19 <Darth_Wader> how do i select items from it :)
Jul 09 17:47:02 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: cursor pad doesn't work?
Jul 09 17:47:32 <Darth_Wader> i`ve not tried it yet... just reading through config files
Jul 09 17:47:42 <psokolovsky> ;-)
Jul 09 18:06:04 <Darth_Wader> psokolovsky: it`s unusable in current state due to need of keyboard..
Jul 09 18:12:34 <psokolovsky> oops, that sucks
Jul 09 18:13:33 <Darth_Wader> yup
Jul 09 18:14:10 <Darth_Wader> but if it can be patched to recognize esc sequences generated by keys and joystick of ipaq...
Jul 09 18:14:50 <koen|inverness> hvontres has an ncurses version of altboot that only needs up/down + enter
Jul 09 18:15:08 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: it must be. we don't want to hack own app of this type, just need to add support for keyboardless devices
Jul 09 18:15:22 <Darth_Wader> hmm
Jul 09 18:15:28 <Darth_Wader> koen|inverness: where we can get it?
Jul 09 18:15:34 <koen|inverness> dunno
Jul 09 18:15:40 <koen|inverness> ask on the mailinglist
Jul 09 18:15:44 * koen|inverness doesn't use altboot
Jul 09 18:15:47 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: ah, good. well, I need to look at all that stuff myself soon...
Jul 09 18:16:43 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: do you really think that debian installer would be the best choice for angstrom?
Jul 09 18:16:45 * koen|inverness would still go for initramfs + small static gui for kexec
Jul 09 18:16:54 <psokolovsky> and do you mean text mode or graphical?
Jul 09 18:17:02 <koen|inverness> psokolovsky: a installer *like* debian installer
Jul 09 18:17:29 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: so, anaconda? ;-)
Jul 09 18:17:31 <koen|inverness> something that boots into some form of gui, connects to the net (or reads from $card) and lets you choose the packages you want
Jul 09 18:17:55 <koen|inverness> anaconda requires slang iirc, so that's a no-go
Jul 09 18:17:57 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: I'd say partitioning is the main issue
Jul 09 18:18:12 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: why no-go?
Jul 09 18:18:24 * koen|inverness loved anaconda in his RH 4.x days
Jul 09 18:18:27 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: and I meant PyGTK anyway ;-D
Jul 09 18:19:11 <koen|inverness> I'd go for evas+edje nowadays, since that's fast, small and easy to program (and theme!)
Jul 09 18:19:44 <koen|inverness> I'm unsure about compiled vs interpreted
Jul 09 18:19:53 <psokolovsky> well, programming sucks ;-)
Jul 09 18:20:25 <koen|inverness> seeing how the ubuntu installer is still a broken piece of crap, I see no real benefits in using python
Jul 09 18:21:05 <psokolovsky> well, right now just trying to see what ubuntu uses ;-)
Jul 09 18:22:43 <koen|inverness> (i forgot about partitioning, the installer should also have some frontend for libparted + mkfs)
Jul 09 18:23:00 <psokolovsky> yep
Jul 09 18:23:43 <Darth_Wader> partitioning of pdas?
Jul 09 18:25:12 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: you're secondary storage challenged? ;-)
Jul 09 18:30:32 * koen|inverness would like to stay out of the NAND/NOR partitioning business
Jul 09 18:30:48 <koen|inverness> psokolovsky: Darth_Wader and I would both like mtd support back in the kernel for h2200 :)
Jul 09 18:31:52 <Darth_Wader> i`ve already got it back for myself, just added one CONFIG_ param to h2200 kernel config
Jul 09 18:32:10 <psokolovsky> koen|inverness: I remember, have a good vacation for now ;-)
Jul 09 18:32:35 <koen|inverness> I could add it back as well, but the change will get lost as soon as defconfigman strikes again
Jul 09 18:32:37 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: please submit patch then!
Jul 09 18:32:51 * koen|inverness was happy to see ds1wm present in 2.6.22
Jul 09 18:32:58 <Darth_Wader> psokolovsky: how?
Jul 09 18:33:25 <psokolovsky> oops, so .22 released...
Jul 09 18:33:44 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: well, just tell me name of option here ;-) (if it's one option)
Jul 09 18:35:10 <Darth_Wader> psokolovsky: CONFIG_MTD_CHAR=m in linux/handhelds-2.6/h2200/defconfig 
Jul 09 18:35:48 <Darth_Wader> but it will create /dev/mtdX, not mtdblockX
Jul 09 18:36:49 <Darth_Wader> maybe it rather should define CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK
Jul 09 18:37:05 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: so, please check what exactly is lacking to get back proper flash support, and submit patch to bugs.openembedded.org
Jul 09 19:10:56 <Darth_Wader> psokolovsky: i`ve figured out the exact param.. CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK=m
Jul 09 19:18:49 <psokolovsky> Darth_Wader: thanks. but it must be y to boot from flash, right?
Jul 09 19:20:12 <Zero_Chaos> that's the way I normally think of it
Jul 09 19:21:25 <Darth_Wader> hmm
Jul 09 19:21:38 <Darth_Wader> can`t mount internal flash of my ipaq
Jul 09 22:21:34 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jul 09 22:21:41 <summatusmentis> hi cdbot2 
Jul 09 22:21:44 <summatusmentis> damn
Jul 09 22:21:47 <summatusmentis> hi CoreDump|home 
Jul 09 22:22:17 <summatusmentis> oh CoreDump|home, fyi, i got video working on my 3200
Jul 09 22:22:46 <summatusmentis> 320x240 res, using mplayer -vo pxa -framedrop -vm <path to file>
Jul 09 22:23:32 <CoreDump|home> yeah, 320x240 has always been smooth for me as well
Jul 09 22:23:45 <CoreDump|home> but I want something close to VGA of course =)
Jul 09 22:24:21 <summatusmentis> from what XorA has said, ram -> pxa is just too slow to use anything above 320x240
Jul 09 22:24:40 <CoreDump|home> that sucks
Jul 09 22:24:55 <XorA> summatusmentis: Tim Chick who wrote pxa driver came to that conclusion if I remeber rightly
Jul 09 22:25:05 <summatusmentis> XorA: I see
Jul 09 22:25:15 <XorA> summatusmentis: some improvement if we put the Y plane in SRAM, but maybe still not enough
Jul 09 22:25:27 <XorA> on the good side, Ipod video and the like all have 320x240 screen
Jul 09 22:25:52 <summatusmentis> XorA: you lost me at Y plane, but yeah :-)
Jul 09 22:26:09 <CoreDump|home> watching a QVGA movie on a VGA screen is a pain IMO
Jul 09 22:26:09 <summatusmentis> I also found out that my DVD rip broke sound halfway through my movie :-)
Jul 09 22:26:25 <XorA> CoreDump|home: why, it auto zooms to fullscreen
Jul 09 22:26:39 <XorA> CoreDump|home: youd be hard pressed on a lot of material to tell the difference
Jul 09 22:26:41 <CoreDump|home> I though "zoom" is what makes it sow
Jul 09 22:26:56 <XorA> CoreDump|home: it changes the physical screen to 320x240
Jul 09 22:27:01 <CoreDump|home> ehhh
Jul 09 22:27:05 <CoreDump|home> how so? 
Jul 09 22:27:15 <CoreDump|home> Never had that happen to me =)
Jul 09 22:27:16 <XorA> CoreDump|home: pxa can do that with the LCD on the zaurus
Jul 09 22:27:23 <CoreDump|home> -vo pxa?
Jul 09 22:27:31 <CoreDump|home> in X11 or console?
Jul 09 22:27:45 <XorA> CoreDump|home: -vm (VidMode) is needed to do the resolution change
Jul 09 22:27:49 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: I ran it -vo pxa from the term emulator
Jul 09 22:28:36 <CoreDump|home> very nice!
Jul 09 22:28:47 <CoreDump|home> I'll try that when I get a chance
Jul 09 22:29:13 <summatusmentis> it works well, unless your audio cuts out in the middle :-)
Jul 09 22:29:25 <CoreDump|home> heh
Jul 09 22:56:31 <dcordes> welcome back ^^
Jul 09 22:57:08 <summatusmentis> I love surviving netsplits... it makes me feel all powerful
Jul 09 23:00:00 <Laibsch> what is a netsplit anyway?  did we just see one?
Jul 09 23:00:11 <summatusmentis> yeah, we did
Jul 09 23:00:22 <summatusmentis> afaik, it's a bad connecton to one of the servers
Jul 09 23:00:58 <dcordes> that's what the quit messages said (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
Jul 09 23:11:44 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, between two servers in the network :)
Jul 09 23:12:41 <Darth_Wader> 03:10:46 [FreeNode] -!- WALLOP RichiH:  Hi everyone. As you undoubtedly noticed, one of our european hubs just died.  Everything should be stable now. Sorry for the inconvenience, have a great day and thank you for using freenode!  :)
Jul 09 23:13:56 <CoreDump|home> !google define: netsplit
Jul 09 23:13:57 <cdbot2> In computer networking, specifically Internet Relay Chat, netsplit (sometimes netburp) is a term used to describe the disconnection of a given node from the previously established network. @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:+netsplit ) 
Jul 09 23:14:06 <Darth_Wader> netburp lol
Jul 09 23:14:13 <polyonymous> never heard that one :)
Jul 09 23:14:18 <Darth_Wader> me too
Jul 09 23:14:19 <CoreDump|home> heh
Jul 09 23:14:42 <CoreDump|home> the linked article is rather informative
Jul 09 23:15:09 <polyonymous> no, don't expect me to go read it :)
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