**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 10 02:59:57 2007 Jul 10 06:33:06 do we have a downtime some of our beloved servers ? Jul 10 06:39:34 hi koen|inverness .. is angstrom-distribution.org down & linuxtogo ?? Jul 10 06:53:46 rob_w|mis: not that I know off Jul 10 07:24:03 I suspect the automatic initial pointercal broke the screen rotate (at least on tosa): Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070507-tosa (working) v.s. Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070605-tosa (not working) Jul 10 07:24:32 that's the only suspect I can imagine Jul 10 07:26:20 symptom in 20070605 image is that after initial rotation, I can not rotate back. Sounds to me the coordinate values got stuck somewhere (not updated during run-time) Jul 10 07:27:25 anybody had similar experience on other Z? Jul 10 07:39:12 !oebug 2630 Jul 10 07:39:13 * * Bug 2630, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-10 00:37 Jul 10 07:39:14 * * xjqian(AT)gmail.com: screen rotation applet broken in Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070605-tosa Jul 10 07:39:15 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2630 Jul 10 07:47:06 xjqian: it seems xrandr doesn't report the rotation back, so rotating only works once :( Jul 10 07:47:22 I uploaded a new kdrive in the hope that that fixes it Jul 10 07:50:13 koen|inverness: you mean the kdrice in the feed? Jul 10 07:50:42 yes Jul 10 07:50:45 1.3.0.0 Jul 10 07:58:55 morning Jul 10 07:59:08 hey XorA Jul 10 07:59:18 koen|inverness: ah cool you got round to fixing that xrandr Jul 10 07:59:31 heh, no, I just uploaded a new kdrive Jul 10 08:05:08 * XorA likes it when a helped user then helps other users rather than stropping around Jul 10 08:07:56 * XorA chuckles at wierd conclusions people make in bugs Jul 10 08:13:22 * XorA sees the bug in xrandr-panelapp.sh Jul 10 08:17:52 drat Jul 10 08:17:59 what drat? Jul 10 08:18:02 kdrive-imageon is still on 1.2.0 Jul 10 08:20:27 hi Jul 10 08:21:25 feel free to update patches? Jul 10 08:36:52 koen: updated kdrive, but still not working Jul 10 08:36:58 drat Jul 10 08:38:40 * XorA sees the bug in xrandr-panelapp.sh Jul 10 08:39:17 do xrandr and you will see rotation info moved from a line on its own to default connected 480x640+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm Jul 10 08:39:36 default connected 640x480+0+0 left (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm Jul 10 08:39:55 xrandr-panelapp.sh looks in wrong place Jul 10 08:40:57 XorA: "X Error of failed request, ....blah blah" after issuing xrandr Jul 10 08:44:57 have to go, i will come back to this. thanks for the help Jul 10 10:04:00 poor pdaX users... Jul 10 10:04:46 their main kernel'hacker' is total newbiee Jul 10 10:06:20 lol phun all round Jul 10 10:10:36 eekee: I spent over half hour on discussion with him Jul 10 10:13:55 oh? ^^ Jul 10 10:25:39 hrw: didnt Sash etc abandon project? Jul 10 10:26:11 XorA: Sash do not work on Zaurus anymore Jul 10 10:26:34 XorA: he still use builder but for that brasil project which pay him Jul 10 12:05:03 is Angstrom for the spitz generally compiled with -msoft-float, or do we rely on kernel fpu emulation? Jul 10 12:05:52 eekee: EABI is softfloat on most ARMs Jul 10 12:06:15 ok, ty! Jul 10 12:06:31 what's the E in EABI btw? Jul 10 12:06:36 Embedded Jul 10 12:06:42 do not ask why Jul 10 12:06:44 ~eabi Jul 10 12:07:01 oh cool 'nuff Jul 10 12:09:21 * xota saluda! Jul 10 12:09:25 hi! Jul 10 12:09:55 somebody can use sl5500 (collie) with angstrom? Jul 10 12:10:12 xota: technically yes, but for normal user its still a bit useless Jul 10 12:10:37 i know about bootstrap version only Jul 10 12:10:49 xota: thats about it Jul 10 12:12:17 speaking of the collie, is it possible to replace the screen glass if it's smashed? Mine is & the touchscreen is almost entirely unresponsive, I never thought to ask about it before Jul 10 12:12:53 eekee: dell axim x3 used similar screen Jul 10 12:13:06 ty# Jul 10 12:13:17 there used to be a webpage told you how to replace Collie with Axim screen Jul 10 12:13:19 but I would just put broken collie into drawer or send someone who want to hack kernel on it and not need screen working Jul 10 12:13:33 heheh someone like me lol Jul 10 12:13:56 they're still kinda pricey on ebay, but.. ya Jul 10 12:13:58 I have working collie here but it spend most of time unused Jul 10 12:15:04 mmhmm. The kb's kinda nasty isn't it? Jul 10 12:16:00 * XorA has a pristine working collie Jul 10 12:16:04 still in box Jul 10 12:16:11 cool Jul 10 12:16:24 mine was scratched when I got it Jul 10 12:17:17 I don't care too much about that, but my spitz is new & shiny. Had a Japanese OS now, but I ditched it already Jul 10 12:17:39 I still have collie's box Jul 10 12:18:02 eekee: I never even ran the japanese OS on spitz Jul 10 12:18:19 eekee: but I bought C860 in Tokyo and spent 3 days using it from memory of the collie icons Jul 10 12:18:28 ah cool ^^; Jul 10 12:18:30 didnt understand a word of the interface Jul 10 12:18:54 I couldn't do it from memory, except I think I found the shutdown entry in the menu Jul 10 12:18:58 yeah... Jul 10 12:19:50 I think I deleted something by mistake, but I wiped a lot more with mke2fs /dev/hda3. It had 1.4G of s/w lol Jul 10 12:22:24 only actual use I've thought of for my collie is a kinda cool audio player front end in the car, but that requires a working screen Jul 10 12:22:25 when I got spitz from Mickeyl I started parted and changed layout Jul 10 12:23:15 ah. I should have made a swap partition. Jul 10 12:26:19 eekee: use a swap file Jul 10 12:26:25 eekee: realistically its no slower Jul 10 12:26:29 and more flexible Jul 10 12:26:40 really? I thought it was, but ya, am using one. 512mb Jul 10 12:46:47 eekee, does that swap file speed up your device a lot? Jul 10 12:47:41 dcordes: hmmm.. makes a little difference, but I haven't even got X on it yet Jul 10 12:47:54 or, like, qte Jul 10 12:56:30 ok where can I get instructions on creating a swap file? Jul 10 12:57:16 er, it's not hard Jul 10 12:57:47 so how do I make it? Jul 10 12:57:53 dd if=/dev/zero of= blocksize=1048576 count= Jul 10 12:57:58 that to make the file Jul 10 12:58:03 dcordes, dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024k count=128 :) Jul 10 12:58:07 mkswap /swapfile Jul 10 12:58:12 swapon /swapfile Jul 10 12:58:25 alright Jul 10 12:58:36 polyonymous: that's a 128k swap file LOL Jul 10 12:58:36 my system has only 2gb sd Jul 10 12:58:42 right Jul 10 12:58:42 eekee, wrong Jul 10 12:59:03 Oh! I see, sorry Jul 10 12:59:07 :) Jul 10 13:00:10 I've avoided using swap on flash devices myself, fearing it will 'wear them out' too quickly -- what's the term... Jul 10 13:00:38 eekee: 1GB SD is cheap Jul 10 13:00:40 I don't care as I bought for a few euros from supermarket Jul 10 13:00:46 ok, cool ^^ Jul 10 13:00:47 2gb also Jul 10 13:01:25 what would be the benefit of having swap on sd? Jul 10 13:02:07 polyonymous, that's what I was asking for.. hope it can speed up my system? Jul 10 13:02:22 dcordes, I doubt it Jul 10 13:02:45 ok Jul 10 13:17:52 dcordes, try to compare your hdd and sd speeds? Jul 10 13:18:55 polyonymous, akita has no hdd Jul 10 13:19:26 dcordes, ah akita, and you expect a speedup over what? Jul 10 13:20:27 polyonymous, sorry I don't quite get that question Jul 10 13:21:02 dcordes, what do you expect swap-on-sd to be faster then? Jul 10 13:21:14 s/then/than/ Jul 10 13:21:33 faster than having no swap at all Jul 10 13:21:34 polyonymous, faster than no swap at all Jul 10 13:21:39 :) Jul 10 13:21:39 :) Jul 10 13:21:52 huh, I never thought of swap as a way to improve speed. Jul 10 13:22:10 Quite the opposite I'd think. Jul 10 13:22:13 polyonymous, what's it for then? Jul 10 13:22:25 polyonymous: it seems to be buggy behaviour of linux, but a little swap on Z's seems to give a little speed boost in some situations Jul 10 13:22:32 to increase virtual memory size at expense of storage space and speed? Jul 10 13:22:49 XorA, sounds like the buggy behaviour of something userspace then, no? Jul 10 13:22:55 lol Jul 10 13:23:18 I thin it's easier for the kernel to allocate swap than to tighten existing mem usage, Linux has always been like that Jul 10 13:23:24 well, okay, my points are purely theoretical, so... Jul 10 13:23:41 eekee, it might be easier, but faster? :) Jul 10 13:23:54 well, "always" ~= 2.0.* there Jul 10 13:24:21 yep, definitely faster with hdd swap & limited ram. SD might be slow though, is my concern Jul 10 13:25:20 ohwell... Jul 10 13:34:20 no angstrom-e-image? Jul 10 13:35:03 summatusmentis, it's been moved to non-working due to its nonworkingness Jul 10 13:35:48 to nonworking even Jul 10 13:35:57 bummer Jul 10 13:36:08 fix it :) Jul 10 13:36:15 thanks polyonymous, any idea as to what's nonworking about it? Jul 10 13:36:46 http://monotone.openembedded.org/revision.psp?id=f76ffee7caa43662bb1c5f719f0b8ca16f2b187d Jul 10 13:36:52 oops Jul 10 13:37:39 is that a subtle hint to check the bugtracker ? :-) Jul 10 13:37:41 okay, looks like our viewmtn isn't all alive and kicking... Jul 10 13:37:54 no, that's the commit message Jul 10 13:38:01 oh Jul 10 13:38:04 angstrom-e-image: move to non-working, since it is, well, non-working. The level of non-workingness is quite high, since e-wm is currently unbuildable due to ecore-native, and even if e-wm would build, its update-alternatives are wrong. So before this image can be moved back, all e packages have to get built, inspected, tested and if needed fixed. Jul 10 13:38:46 oh boy... rather a large undertaking for someone w/ minimal coding experience Jul 10 13:38:51 :-) Jul 10 13:40:00 ;-) well, I've seen e on desktop last time and it was dogslow, so I didn't bother to see how it works for handheld Jul 10 13:40:36 it actually works well, I tried it during the OZ days Jul 10 13:40:51 and the eye-candy! Jul 10 13:41:20 maybe, I dunno, I've tried it really-really long ago Jul 10 13:41:24 And I'm running off now Jul 10 13:41:26 See ya Jul 10 13:41:31 peace Jul 10 14:26:33 hi Jul 10 16:20:13 hi Jul 10 16:20:42 hi Ecco Jul 10 16:22:16 Hi mimecar :-) Jul 10 16:22:46 does anyone have experience w/ {c}fdisk on the Z? Jul 10 16:23:14 I'm working on creating a 3.5 GB vfat partition, and both cfdisk and fdisk see it as such, but when I mount it and run df- h, it's only 1.2GB Jul 10 16:24:02 summatusmentis: on internal hard disk ? Jul 10 16:24:22 mimecar: yes Jul 10 16:24:50 I guess it could be an MBR issue, but I'm not sure how to completely wipe it and start again Jul 10 16:25:00 fat16 or faT32? Jul 10 16:25:10 fat32 Jul 10 16:25:31 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=16 Jul 10 16:25:42 that should blank any mbr and partition table Jul 10 16:26:00 then re-run fdisk and re-write the partition table? Jul 10 16:27:07 summatusmentis: yes Jul 10 16:27:23 but only if total start from scrath is what you want Jul 10 16:30:12 XorA: thanks, rebooting to see if that fixed it Jul 10 16:30:23 hi HRH_H_Crab Jul 10 16:30:27 hrw* Jul 10 16:37:50 that didn't do anything... if anyone has any ideas why my 3.5GB partition is only showing in df -h as a 1.2GB partition, pm me please Jul 10 16:37:53 I've gotta go Jul 10 16:41:21 summatusmentis: sharp fdisk is apparently buggy Jul 10 16:41:26 summatusmentis: maybe it sets duff values Jul 10 17:08:23 XorA|gone: this is fdisk from angstrom Jul 10 17:47:05 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ is really slow right now... is it just me? Jul 10 18:50:18 has anyone setup OE under vmware on a c2d? Jul 10 18:50:48 I don't know what a c2d is, but I know that some used to setup OE in cygwin... Jul 10 18:51:46 c2d ? Jul 10 18:52:52 Core 2 Duo, sorry Jul 10 18:52:56 dual core cpue Jul 10 18:52:57 cpu* Jul 10 18:53:02 Ive used it on colinux, worked well Jul 10 18:53:06 oh my god Jul 10 18:53:13 xDD Jul 10 18:53:23 XorA|gone: really? Jul 10 18:53:41 hrm... I'm wondering about compilation overhead when the linux system is vitrualized Jul 10 18:54:17 summatusmentis: compiling doesnt use IO much Jul 10 18:54:23 IO is what kills virtualisation Jul 10 18:54:47 XorA|gone: so there's not too much CPU overhead at all in virtualization? Jul 10 18:55:35 summatusmentis: normal user level cpu instructions are run as normal Jul 10 18:55:45 summatusmentis: what's the state of virtualization ? Jul 10 18:55:52 is useful vmware to real work ? Jul 10 18:55:53 mimecar: ? Jul 10 18:56:03 oh, yeah, afaik Jul 10 18:56:19 now I 've windows and linux, but it would be interesting use vmware Jul 10 18:56:37 not on my current machine, because it doesn't have the virtualization extensions for the CPU, but when I get a macbook, my understand is that it runs very nicely Jul 10 18:57:50 ok, thanks :) Jul 10 18:58:30 mimecar: vmware server is available for a free download Jul 10 18:58:57 there was a commercial application, wasn't it ? Jul 10 18:59:08 virtualbox is gpl Jul 10 19:01:04 hi Jul 10 19:01:09 what happened to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ ? Jul 10 19:01:10 hi dcordes Jul 10 19:01:16 hey mime Jul 10 19:07:00 dcordes: it looks there's problems with linuxtogo (angstrom server i think) Jul 10 19:32:40 when I try to connect to a WPA ap with the preset commented configuration in /etc/network/interfaces on my akita some .hex file is not found. When I comment the line "pre-up prism2_srec -r wlan0 /etc/pcmcia/rf010804.hex" I get a different error saying ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: not supported. I have prism2-firmware installed Jul 10 19:32:55 how can I fix that? Jul 10 19:38:52 dcordes: ipkg remove prism-firmware Jul 10 19:40:47 it still can't "pre-up prism2_srec -r wlan0 /etc/pcmcia/rf010804.hex" Jul 10 19:42:30 Zero_Chaos, or should I forget that thing in /etc/network/interfaces Jul 10 19:42:37 it looked so easy :) Jul 10 19:43:10 there is a script that tries to update the firmware when you plug it in. it's a bad thing (tm) Jul 10 19:44:06 Zero_Chaos, (tm)? how can I make it work Jul 10 19:44:36 dcordes: dunno. it worked for me in the first place, I just hate it :-) Jul 10 19:45:22 how can I find out the current firmware used and which one is required for wpa use with prism2? Jul 10 19:45:52 dcordes: 1.7.4 is required. Jul 10 19:46:04 dcordes: hostap_diag wlan0 shows current Jul 10 19:47:10 NICID bla (PRISM II (2.5)? Jul 10 19:47:53 oh I see STAID id=0x001f v1.3.4 Jul 10 19:48:20 Zero_Chaos, where is that auto firmware updater script located? Jul 10 19:49:07 dcordes: I don't recall specifically. it's part of a udev rule Jul 10 19:51:09 Zero_Chaos, could you give me a hint on how to load a firmware manually? Jul 10 19:51:30 dcordes: aircrack-ng.org prism2_flashing Jul 10 19:51:42 nice thanks Jul 10 19:51:47 dcordes: but only if you built the kernel to allow for it Jul 10 19:52:05 Zero_Chaos, I didn't change anything about that Jul 10 19:52:28 built it without any manual change Jul 10 19:52:40 2.6.21 Jul 10 19:52:41 dcordes: then you can't flash upgrade it Jul 10 19:53:03 Zero_Chaos, is that the reason why also that script doesn't work? Jul 10 19:53:16 dcordes: no Jul 10 19:53:23 why could the script fail then? Jul 10 19:53:55 no idea, maybe you don't have hostap-utils installed, but since you have hostap_diag that can't be it.... Jul 10 19:54:26 indeed it is installed Jul 10 19:54:42 hmhm Jul 10 19:56:02 /lib/udev/ Jul 10 19:56:29 dcordes: its possible your ID isnt in the script yet Jul 10 19:58:04 XorA|gone, any way to check that? Jul 10 19:59:37 dcordes: past me your hostap_diag wlan0 output Jul 10 19:59:58 801c Jul 10 20:00:02 should be Jul 10 20:01:15 XorA|gone, http://www.pastebin.ca/613068 Jul 10 20:01:44 800c is there Jul 10 20:01:53 yep Jul 10 20:02:18 I hope I included no typo Jul 10 20:02:46 no everything ok.. Jul 10 20:08:29 so.. is that supported by the /lib/udev/firmware_helper? Jul 10 20:20:22 dcordes: your card is supported Jul 10 20:20:36 dcordes: are there errors from firmware download in dmesg? Jul 10 20:20:47 XorA|gone, what am I doing wrong that the wrong firmware is loaded :( ? Jul 10 20:22:47 XorA|gone, defaulting to host based enc. as a workaround for firmware bug in host ap mode wep? Jul 10 20:24:14 the driver need updating to support shared IRQ lines Jul 10 20:24:56 dcordes: prism-firmware is defineately installed? Jul 10 20:25:06 dcordes: and prism3-firmware removed Jul 10 20:25:10 no Zero_Chaos told me to remove it in order to make that work Jul 10 20:25:20 ( prism-firmware ) Jul 10 20:25:26 i never had 3 installed Jul 10 20:25:27 that bum! Jul 10 20:25:38 * dcordes slaps Zero_Chaos Jul 10 20:25:52 brb Jul 10 20:44:57 the song is dedicated to all reverse-engineers :] Jul 10 20:44:58 * Darth_Wader np: Combichrist - This S*it Will Fcuk You Up :: 1:02/4:46 (22%) Jul 10 20:47:01 I had some problems with my akita not booting Jul 10 20:48:18 dcordes: always problems with you, you are banned from the Z :-D Jul 10 20:49:12 lol Jul 10 20:49:20 :(( Jul 10 20:49:44 XorA|gone: what`s the reason he got banned with? Jul 10 20:54:55 Darth_Wader, the akita doesn't like me Jul 10 20:56:42 oh no the repo is down Jul 10 20:57:18 were you also kicked from Z? :) Jul 10 20:59:18 obviously Jul 10 20:59:35 any idea when the servers hosting angstrom get back on? Jul 10 21:01:49 * Darth_Wader prefers to bitbake needed sw now :] Jul 10 21:02:29 you mean mtn? Jul 10 21:02:41 ah Jul 10 21:02:49 feeds are down? Jul 10 21:02:52 I didn't even know that... Jul 10 21:02:57 and hi Laibsch Jul 10 21:03:07 btw, re polyonymous Jul 10 21:03:13 re Jul 10 21:08:56 good evening everyone Jul 10 21:09:53 hey Laibsch Jul 10 22:23:27 hi Jul 10 22:34:37 hey CoreDump|home Jul 10 22:48:57 hi Jul 10 23:11:04 XorA|gone, you around= Jul 10 23:12:29 dcordes: yes Jul 10 23:12:57 I have prism-firmware installed now but ifup still can't find the firmware file Jul 10 23:20:55 XorA|gone, hostap_diag still showing up v1.3.4 (station firmware) Jul 10 23:21:08 dcordes: wierd Jul 10 23:21:19 dcordes: Im about to go to sleep, bug people tomorrow :-) Jul 10 23:21:32 good night Jul 10 23:21:43 dcordes: wait, uninstall prism3-support Jul 10 23:22:21 ipkg remove prism3-support No packages removed Jul 10 23:22:23 :/ Jul 10 23:22:33 prism3-firmware isn't installed either Jul 10 23:24:13 ipkg list_installed | grep prism in case I got it wrong Jul 10 23:25:06 XorA|gone, only showing up prism-firmware and prismstumbler Jul 10 23:25:50 dcordes: really wierd, sounds like there is a script stuck on your system that shouldnt be there, anyway got to go Jul 10 23:26:12 XorA|gone, ok thanks a lot so far Jul 11 02:16:17 Hello, im attempting to install angstrom on my zaurus but i want to install it to my sd card and boot directly to it using a new bootstram image Jul 11 02:17:03 i've not quite found any clear instructions on how to do this so would i just get the bootstrap-image using the bitbake recipe and then make some modifications? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 11 02:59:57 2007