**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 11 02:59:57 2007 Jul 11 03:07:57 * summatusmentis plans on wiping the HD on his 3200 tomorrow and starting agian Jul 11 03:07:59 again* Jul 11 03:10:28 lol Jul 11 03:10:31 why? Jul 11 03:11:33 I'm having issue w/ the partition table not recognizing the full size of my vfat partition Jul 11 03:11:44 so if I wipe it, and start form scratch, maybe that'll fix it Jul 11 03:13:21 sounds annoying Jul 11 03:15:08 yeah... i don't know what's going on Jul 11 10:40:48 angstrom-x11-image builds fine for n800, but has 'no providers' with n770 Jul 11 10:42:25 there is no such thing as n770 Jul 11 10:42:30 ljp: what lack? Jul 11 10:46:41 nokia770 Jul 11 11:01:51 which providers it lack? Jul 11 11:04:15 Removing failed runtime build target xserver-kdrive-omap Jul 11 11:05:52 try xserver-kdrive-xomap then Jul 11 11:06:01 nokia tablets are not good supported Jul 11 11:12:45 hmm. just trying standard angstrom build Jul 11 11:12:56 minimal builds fine Jul 11 11:14:57 minimal does not need anything nearly Jul 11 11:15:05 console image will also build Jul 11 11:18:50 Hi! Jul 11 11:19:09 hrw: So what's current Debian way of module autoload? Jul 11 11:22:05 psokolovsky: same as angstrom one Jul 11 11:23:28 hrw: heh. no, I'm serious, what they use as .d/ for that. Jul 11 11:26:50 hmm. same thing Jul 11 13:05:19 req for feed: old heretic/hexen games and mdk3 app Jul 11 13:06:10 ultanium: heretic/hexen are not in OE iirc Jul 11 13:08:30 cacko feed has em, was hoping some1 would add them here, angstrom rocks, never going back Jul 11 13:08:56 ultanium: make a .bb file, and see if you can get them into OE Jul 11 13:12:49 summatusmentis: ill give it a shot Jul 11 13:17:41 hmm... doom is there Jul 11 13:17:57 why angstrom want use gcc 4.1.2?this afternoon i met a bug from it, which takes me hours to find. Jul 11 13:18:35 is there any advantage of 4.1.2 compare to 3.4? Jul 11 13:19:36 yes Jul 11 13:19:40 there are many Jul 11 13:21:42 1st is simple one: gcc <4 do not support EABI Jul 11 13:27:58 o, but it is not stable enough. Jul 11 13:29:12 readon: Angstrom running on my Z says otherwise.. Jul 11 13:31:10 4.1.2 works on the nslu2, nas100d, dsmg600 that I have running here ... Jul 11 13:32:11 poor net Jul 11 13:33:20 readon_: do not make laugh ok? Jul 11 13:33:33 all major distros use 4.1 gcc Jul 11 13:33:53 btw, Debian is going to switch to gcc 4.2 soon Jul 11 13:37:36 "gcc 4.x is not stable" sounds like excuse from poor programmer which generate broken code Jul 11 14:24:00 what is the hdimage filename supposed to be? Jul 11 14:24:50 hdimage1.tgz Jul 11 14:25:03 and yes, we should fix it Jul 11 14:25:08 thanks, angstrom-distribution.org is slow Jul 11 14:25:15 fix what? Jul 11 14:25:20 ltg machine is slow Jul 11 14:25:25 lol, oh Jul 11 14:25:30 monotone server eats too much resources Jul 11 14:25:47 mmm, yeah, well, make do w/ what you've got at least Jul 11 14:26:08 summatusmentis: we need to improve updater to get it more iinteligent Jul 11 14:26:40 site takes 10 minutes to load a page ;-) Jul 11 14:26:41 the monotone updater? Jul 11 14:27:08 ps, http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromRoadmap doesn't load either Jul 11 14:27:21 RP: PING Jul 11 14:27:24 summatusmentis: kernel updater Jul 11 14:27:31 Zero_Chaos: RP is offline this week Jul 11 14:27:43 hrw: ok Jul 11 14:27:53 summatusmentis: famous updater.sh Jul 11 14:28:06 hrw: ah, I see, I was confused for a minute Jul 11 14:28:16 summatusmentis: in bugtracker there is one version which works for all Z except tosa Jul 11 14:28:32 oh yes, I think we've had this conversation before Jul 11 14:28:58 hrw: 2638 if you want to help a brother out. I added zd1211rw to the kernel and updated my injection patches for hostap Jul 11 14:29:08 hrw: just needs an approval and a commit Jul 11 14:29:23 and time Jul 11 14:29:39 I do not have OE builddir ready and my machines are busy with poky now Jul 11 14:29:48 hrw: heh, fair enough Jul 11 14:30:26 what is the best way to wipe a drive?(starting over w/ angstrom, having odd partition issues) Jul 11 14:31:50 boot something flash based (or rescue rootfs) and fdisk Jul 11 14:32:40 thanks Jul 11 14:33:49 somsone broke the internet Jul 11 14:33:53 lol Jul 11 14:34:16 there are so many sites not loading... gpe.linuxtogo.org, the angstrom wiki, andstrom site Jul 11 14:34:32 Zeroth|work: it was me, I pulled the plug on the internet Jul 11 14:34:39 well plug it back in Jul 11 14:34:41 I need it Jul 11 14:35:19 cylinder == 1MB? Jul 11 14:35:25 summatusmentis: no idea Jul 11 14:35:52 hrw: ok Jul 11 14:35:57 * summatusmentis goes to find google cache Jul 11 14:36:19 2.4 or 2.6 with angstrom on collie? Jul 11 14:36:37 6 Jul 11 14:36:46 hmm... support twofish? Jul 11 14:36:47 XorA: if you have a minute, 2638 Jul 11 14:38:54 can I just leave the rest (not /. not /home) un partitioned and do it inside of angstrom? Jul 11 14:46:43 summatusmentis: I just yesterday added gparted to OE ;-) it barely works though ;-( Jul 11 14:47:35 psokolovsky: lol. I've got cfdisk, and that'll be faster than building gparted Jul 11 14:48:35 cool. gparted for dumb users ;-E Jul 11 14:48:48 lol Jul 11 14:55:08 * summatusmentis hopes these errors about containing instea of expected octal time_t don't break anything Jul 11 14:55:53 im trying to build an jffs2 image which boots directly to sd card, i use bootstrap-image for this right? or is there a better way? Jul 11 14:55:57 s/time_t/{time_t,off_t}/ Jul 11 14:57:53 summatusmentis: kernel boots to sd not image ;) Jul 11 14:58:43 hrw : hehe, whoops :) Jul 11 14:59:42 hrw : so i modify the kernel? how do i build to jffs2? Jul 11 14:59:52 ? Jul 11 15:00:25 hrw : i wish to build a minimal kernel to boot to sd straight away Jul 11 15:00:39 without using altboot Jul 11 15:00:40 wait... hrw, was that directed at me? summatusmentis: kernel boots to sd not image ;) Jul 11 15:00:50 summatusmentis: no, to Summmmy` Jul 11 15:00:54 as compared to a messed up tab completion? Jul 11 15:00:59 ok, that's what I thought Jul 11 15:01:10 I do too much things at once Jul 11 15:01:19 no worries Jul 11 15:01:36 hehe Jul 11 15:01:42 damn... it's broken, plan 2 Jul 11 15:04:03 Summmmy`: I _think_ it's a kernel config option, but I don't know that for sure Jul 11 15:04:36 summatusmentis : so do i need bootstrap-image to do this? or is there a simpler way? Jul 11 15:05:15 there might be a way to edit the .config in OE... but I don't know that for sure at all Jul 11 15:05:44 * summatusmentis images HD w/ angstrom provided image, then untars backed up image over it Jul 11 15:06:17 summatusmentis : so you dont boot from sd? Jul 11 15:06:49 Summmmy`: no, I've got a 3200, boot from 6GB HD :-) Jul 11 15:06:59 summatusmentis : lol nice Jul 11 15:07:11 summatusmentis : so thats an akita with a big disk right Jul 11 15:07:12 ? Jul 11 15:07:15 but I'm having partition issues, so I'm redoing everything, and breaking things Jul 11 15:07:31 Summmmy`: well, different hardware, afaik, but for all intents and purposes, yes Jul 11 15:08:08 very similar to akita Jul 11 15:09:09 would it be lame to boot from sd by modifying bootstrap image to add altboot and then use altboot? im sure there is a more lightweight way? Jul 11 15:10:00 altboot should be in the flash Jul 11 15:11:05 Zero_Chaos : yeah, so build a jffs2 image using a modified bootstrap-image (with altboot) and then flash it, then run angstrom from rootfs.tar.gz on sd? Jul 11 15:11:10 Summmmy`: that's what I did on my 5500, installed the console image to flash, and put altboot there Jul 11 15:11:14 then altbooted to SD Jul 11 15:11:33 ah Jul 11 15:11:37 yup Jul 11 15:11:50 mind you, I've never done it, but I hear about it every day Jul 11 15:11:55 but is console image lighter than bootstrap-image? Jul 11 15:12:15 it's nice to have something half worthwhile in the flash anyway Jul 11 15:12:19 as long as it fits Jul 11 15:12:48 i heard keon talking about a way just to rebuild the kernel and add to its config to boot to sd and add a delay, but i cant quite remember Jul 11 15:12:55 Zero_Chaos : why is that? Jul 11 15:13:25 Summmmy`: what if you don't have your sd card some time? nice to have the best you can in the flash. Jul 11 15:13:29 Summmmy`: for fixing purposes, if something goes wrong Jul 11 15:13:36 that too Jul 11 15:13:53 i see Jul 11 15:14:25 Zero_Chaos : which device do you have? Jul 11 15:16:34 akita Jul 11 15:17:17 Zero_Chaos : but you dont boot to sd? there is not much space on flash after angstrom x11 image Jul 11 15:17:58 Summmmy`: 64 megs of flash and that is before I repartition it. there is plenty of room Jul 11 15:18:05 Summmmy`: I use SD for storage Jul 11 15:18:51 Zero_Chaos : but to install packages, you must install to flash since ipkg-link doesn't work right? Jul 11 15:19:09 Summmmy`: sure why not? Jul 11 15:19:46 crap... now i've really borked it Jul 11 15:19:50 Zero_Chaos : i kept running out of room, too many perl modules :) Jul 11 15:20:15 ahh, I don't perl Jul 11 15:20:21 Zero_Chaos : what partition size? 64? Jul 11 15:20:24 Zero_Chaos : lol Jul 11 15:21:36 does anyone have any suggestions for using my old tar'd / when I'm reinstalling? Jul 11 15:22:06 I can't just use it has hdimage1 because of errors about expecting octal time_t and octal off_t Jul 11 15:22:34 and I can't seemingly just untar it over /, because it gets to a point, and then it deletes tar, and it's broken :-P Jul 11 15:22:50 summatusmentis : what? Jul 11 15:23:10 why cant untar?, deletes tar? Jul 11 15:23:26 yeah, I put the angstrom root image on my HD Jul 11 15:23:48 then I try to untar my old /.tgz onto / Jul 11 15:24:12 but somehow, in that process, I overwrite tar(the tool I'm using to do this) and it's broken Jul 11 15:24:58 summatusmentis : exclude the directory (eg /usr/bin) where tar is located in when extracting Jul 11 15:25:21 how do you exlude something from being overwritten? Jul 11 15:25:31 http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/lpt/20_08.html Jul 11 15:25:43 that tells you how to include or exclude files from tar Jul 11 15:25:52 just exclude tar :) Jul 11 15:26:30 * summatusmentis wonders about scp'ing untarred image to Zaurus Jul 11 15:45:39 Zero_Chaos : does your usb host cable work with a usb keyboard on angstrom x11? i cant get it to work Jul 11 15:48:40 Summmmy`: you need to change the mode. remove g_* modules and add in ohci_hcd Jul 11 15:48:50 Summmmy`: and then you need to have any needed modules on the device Jul 11 15:49:08 Zero_Chaos : right i see Jul 11 15:49:33 Zero_Chaos : is there a howto or shall i just play with it? Jul 11 15:50:15 that pretty much was the howto Jul 11 15:50:32 ah :) Jul 11 15:51:20 apparently most people prefer to use their zaurus usb to connect to their computer. Where I like to use the usb port to install wifi cards and gps and jump drives, etc Jul 11 15:55:34 uh Jul 11 15:55:47 you mean the docking station? Jul 11 15:56:04 or do the newer (ie, >collie) zaurii have usb ports? Jul 11 15:56:21 Zeroth|work: C1000 and C3x00 have usb ports Jul 11 15:56:28 I wish I had money Jul 11 15:56:39 nice equiment is ridiculously expensive Jul 11 15:56:53 sl-6000 also have usbhost Jul 11 15:56:57 I'm in techno poverty Jul 11 15:58:05 what software does the docking station work with (aside from the commecrial stuff) Jul 11 15:58:17 aye, openzaurus btw Jul 11 15:58:33 I'm waiting till OPIE support to use angstrom Jul 11 16:00:39 Zeroth|work: opie works in angstrom, your wait is over Jul 11 16:01:00 the webstie said it was unnofficial, and I assumed not 'stable' Jul 11 16:01:07 unsupported, rather Jul 11 16:01:31 unsupported but it works Jul 11 16:01:34 I'm still running openzaurus 3.5.3 Jul 11 16:01:36 build it, try it, love it Jul 11 16:02:03 perhaps I will Jul 11 16:02:14 perhaps you will Jul 11 16:02:24 any idea about the docking station internet connection sharing question? Jul 11 16:02:41 it can be done, people do it... just not me ;-) Jul 11 16:03:23 well, that was an older question...heh. rather I wanted to know what software I needed to connect to it (unless it just acts like a USB drive...) Jul 11 16:05:02 can't install angstrom till the site starts working again Jul 11 16:07:07 the SL-C3200 is quite large. not really a palmtop...more like...an armtop Jul 11 16:53:30 lol the angstrom-bootmanager.bb just says : #yes this package doesn't do anything yet :D Jul 11 17:04:41 hi Jul 11 17:21:42 when i attempt to build the altboot-console-image i get an error: ERROR: No providers of build target altboot-console-image (for []) Jul 11 17:21:57 but i cant build bootstrap-image... Jul 11 17:22:00 can* Jul 11 17:22:04 so not sure why Jul 11 17:22:45 what's your DISTRO setting? Jul 11 17:25:08 summatusmentis : angstrom Jul 11 17:32:33 summatusmentis : in full - angstrom-2007.1 Jul 11 18:08:10 hmm i keep getting : ERROR: No providers of build target X (for []) for any recipe i choose to build Jul 11 18:08:25 but i can build nano and just built bootstrap-image Jul 11 18:08:47 im trying to build the angstrom-altboot-console-image Jul 11 18:31:58 hi Jul 11 18:53:49 hi Jul 11 19:05:14 I've got OZ 3.5.3. would it be woth updating to 3.5.4.1 or should I just go get angstrom? Jul 11 19:05:55 I dont wanna fuss with stuff that isn't 'stable' Jul 11 19:08:16 Zeroth|work, what do you use OZ for? Jul 11 19:08:51 text files, check book, porn Jul 11 19:09:11 not much else Jul 11 19:09:33 Zeroth|work, seems like you get more attention in #openzaurus, so I switched there Jul 11 19:09:41 k Jul 11 19:48:31 does somebody have an idea why the old firmware for my prism2 card is loaded when prism-firmware is installed and my card is supported? Jul 11 19:49:12 * polyonymous doesn't think he's somebody in this context. Jul 11 19:50:59 my build is 20070705 Jul 11 20:03:16 dcordes : you have any experience booting into angstrom from sd? Jul 11 20:05:01 Summmmy`: I usually boot that way on my akita, yes Jul 11 20:05:16 Summmmy`: what's your device? Jul 11 20:06:33 dcordes : akita also Jul 11 20:07:00 dcordes : im attempting to just change the kernel a little to boot straight to the sd Jul 11 20:07:59 dcordes : i've bitbaked the bootstrap-image recipe, am i on the right track? Jul 11 20:09:51 Summmmy`: you don't need to change anything about the kernel Jul 11 20:10:05 flash the minimal image to your internal flash Jul 11 20:10:12 using the usual zaurus procedure Jul 11 20:10:18 dcordes : oh Jul 11 20:10:26 then you boot it and install altboot Jul 11 20:10:51 put your angstrom-x11-image (as loop or extract the .tar.gz one) onto our sd card Jul 11 20:11:05 attention! image has to be ext2 and _first partition_ Jul 11 20:11:09 I made a backup of my /, is there a way to use this .tgz file following the installation procedure? Jul 11 20:11:15 otherwise altboot won't recognize it Jul 11 20:11:21 dcordes : is that the most efficient way? i wish to have the most minimal install, whats the main differences between bootstrap-image and angstrom-minimal? Jul 11 20:12:04 Summmmy`: just try it Jul 11 20:12:16 Summmmy`: I have no idea sorry Jul 11 20:12:21 that'S just the way I did it Jul 11 20:12:42 summatusmentis: you could just try it out. maybe you have another SD card? Jul 11 20:12:45 dcordes : ah Jul 11 20:13:49 dcordes : keon said something about just recompiling the kernel and setting boot form sd + some delay but i've completly forgot what neeeds to be done, but i think altboot + minimal would be the simplest path Jul 11 20:14:01 dcordes: it's on a 3200, so I used a cf card to 'flash' it Jul 11 20:14:32 Summmmy`: I'm no ubermentor like koen but just a newbie but that way is working fine for me Jul 11 20:15:05 summatusmentis: I'm using sd cards for flashing purpose Jul 11 20:16:18 dcordes: ok, I tried it, and it failed with a bunch of errors about finding a string of shellcode when it was expecting octal time_t and off_t Jul 11 20:16:59 summatusmentis: what exactly didyou try now? booting your backed up image from SD or flashing from SD? Jul 11 20:17:35 flashing from CF Jul 11 20:17:58 following the installation instructions from angstrom-distribution.org Jul 11 20:18:32 did you put your image file names the right way? Jul 11 20:18:43 yes Jul 11 20:18:46 * dcordes has never flashed from CF since he only has SD Jul 11 20:18:59 same process Jul 11 20:20:40 dcordes : i can bake the angstrom-minimal-image but how do i get the jffs2 to build? Jul 11 20:21:01 or is it done automatically Jul 11 20:21:03 ? Jul 11 20:21:28 Summmmy`: it's specified in local.conf Jul 11 20:21:33 ah Jul 11 20:21:38 thx Jul 11 20:21:52 Summmmy`: jffs2 is built automagically I think. In order to get it as a tar.gz you need to add something to your org.openembedded.dev/conf/local.conf Jul 11 20:22:26 and using .tar.gz is the only way I can confirm is working for me Jul 11 20:22:35 because I never tried it with the loop image Jul 11 20:27:03 but images should also work Jul 11 20:33:18 dcordes : ah i see, i think its in /stuff/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/akita/.. Jul 11 20:40:56 yep there's where they go usually Jul 11 20:41:30 ~/OE/build/tmp/akita/deploy/glibc/images/akita for me Jul 11 20:49:26 how do I specify the packages I want included in an image that I build? Jul 11 20:51:40 summatusmentis : ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL += " PACKAGE HERE " Jul 11 20:51:44 i believe Jul 11 20:51:56 but i've only been playing with it for a few hours :) Jul 11 20:52:36 Summmmy`: any idea if that can be set in the environment instead of local.conf? Jul 11 20:52:55 and have you tried angstrom-altboot-x11-image? Jul 11 20:53:04 and can you bitbake more than one package at a time? Jul 11 21:48:36 summatusmentis: why would you want to specify extra install packages elsewhere than in your local.conf Jul 11 21:59:52 summatusmentis, why don't add env var to ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL? Jul 11 22:18:42 dcordes: just as a one time thing Jul 11 22:18:51 polyonymous: what do you mean? Jul 11 22:19:32 summatusmentis, 'ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL += " ${somevar}" // somevar="bash" bitbake angstrom-something-image Jul 11 22:19:33 hi Jul 11 22:19:38 hey Jul 11 22:20:42 polyonymous: oh, I see, I guess that makes sense Jul 11 22:20:46 hi CoreDump|home Jul 11 22:45:53 bye Jul 11 23:23:42 hi Jul 11 23:23:52 hi Jul 11 23:32:08 hey again Jul 11 23:32:14 how do I bitbake the opie image? Jul 11 23:32:39 dcordes: "bitbake opie-image" Jul 11 23:32:45 who would have guessed ;-) Jul 11 23:32:49 ^^ Jul 11 23:33:00 You need some setup according to the page on the wiki Jul 11 23:33:11 isn't it down? Jul 11 23:34:04 no Jul 11 23:34:07 should not be Jul 11 23:34:20 We are working on fixing the problems the server is having Jul 11 23:34:30 But the wiki should always have been reachable Jul 11 23:34:40 Except for very brief outages Jul 11 23:37:22 http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/Angstrom Jul 11 23:48:01 Laibsch, did I get it right that everything necessary before the build is adding "require conf/distro/include/preferred-opie-versions-1.2.3-pre.inc" to the local.conf? Jul 11 23:48:39 I think so Jul 11 23:48:50 But I did that a long time ago and never worried since Jul 11 23:51:18 mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Jul 11 23:51:27 ccan't pull Jul 11 23:52:08 dcordes: yes, we know Jul 11 23:52:11 ~oemirrors Jul 11 23:52:31 < ibot> oemirrors is probably extra, extra, read all about it, oemirrors is OpenEmbedded monotone mirrors are Jul 11 23:52:35 ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl, monotone.nslu2-linux.org, opensource.wolfsonmicro.com also see Jul 11 23:52:38 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted Jul 11 23:52:49 Zero_Chaos, how do I add those? Jul 11 23:53:06 getting started guide teaches you how to update Jul 12 00:02:04 monotone.oe.org should be back up Jul 12 00:14:17 Laibsch, yes working for me Jul 12 01:28:03 bitbake opie-image failed with building "alsa-states" http://www.pastebin.ca/615286 Jul 12 01:30:55 should I make this a bug? Jul 12 01:31:33 I think someone else was having issues w/ that earlier Jul 12 01:32:28 * summatusmentis return 0; Jul 12 01:47:37 summatusmentis, did someone say if he would file a bug about it? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 12 02:39:01 2007 Jul 12 02:44:28 cant seem to find listing of bitbake config files for angstrom im looking to set up my config for just the gpe image Jul 12 02:44:34 quick pointer in the right direction? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 12 02:59:57 2007