**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 02 02:59:57 2007 Aug 02 09:01:57 * xota saluda! Aug 02 09:35:52 <_law_> hmm in my angstrom.conf kdrive is set to 1.3.0.0 but if i build a gpephone images it tries do use kdrive-git any ideas why? Aug 02 12:40:06 Trying to put angstrom on my 770... but cant find any details Aug 02 13:27:43 hi Aug 02 13:58:47 anyone here have gpm working in a console? Aug 02 18:31:27 how i run angstrom in qemu ? Aug 02 18:47:17 hi Aug 02 18:51:02 dcordes: are you online? Aug 02 19:06:23 hi ar Aug 02 19:07:14 hi Aug 02 19:28:09 can i run on the qemu arm a program compiled for zaurus ? Aug 02 19:29:07 yes Aug 02 19:29:21 i have compiled mc, and i would like test it Aug 02 19:29:26 how can i do it XorA|gone? Aug 02 19:29:47 mimecar: check out poky linux, that has a qemu arm target Aug 02 19:29:49 * koen wishes peope would stop with 'compiled for zaurus' and mention 'compiled for $arch' Aug 02 19:30:02 ok, compiled for angstrom Aug 02 19:30:04 better ? Aug 02 19:30:09 or compiled for arm5 Aug 02 19:30:11 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/qemuarm/ Aug 02 19:30:19 armv5 Aug 02 19:30:26 ok, sorry ;) Aug 02 19:30:29 armel armv5 :-) Aug 02 19:30:40 or is that armelv5 Aug 02 19:30:46 armv5 developed by .... :P Aug 02 19:30:53 sicne angstrom support armv4, armv5, avr32, blackfin, x86, etc Aug 02 19:31:02 XorA|gone: gargarmel5 Aug 02 19:31:12 heh heh Aug 02 19:31:35 koen is there a virtual package to build a x11 image ? Aug 02 19:31:45 i have compiled glib and kernel files for arm5 Aug 02 19:31:45 * XorA|gone finished figuring out how to run next WFRP adventure Aug 02 19:31:49 I so need a Irex Aug 02 19:31:55 WFRP? Aug 02 19:31:58 no virtual package Aug 02 19:32:05 just angstrom-x11-image.bb Aug 02 19:32:06 Warhammer Fantasy Role Play Aug 02 19:32:10 ok Aug 02 19:32:50 XorA|gone: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/d-d-2007-08-02-10-25?showcomments=yes Aug 02 19:33:45 task 283 of 2897 Aug 02 19:33:54 it will be funny Aug 02 19:35:27 can i run a x-sesion inside another x-sesion on pc (i686)? Aug 02 19:35:29 koen: another one bites the dust Aug 02 19:35:35 without create a new system Aug 02 19:35:40 mimecar: Xnest Aug 02 19:35:55 * mimecar 's searching xnest Aug 02 19:36:10 it will be usefil to play with matchbox Aug 02 19:36:35 I think there was X(lots of o's) as well Aug 02 19:36:47 produced by openhand Aug 02 19:37:35 Xoo runs on top of Xephyr or xnest Aug 02 19:39:07 * XorA|gone is defeated in using mindstorms by his laptop having no serial port Aug 02 19:39:31 XorA|gone: you can use an usb-serial converter Aug 02 19:39:45 XorA|gone: pl2303 based adaptors are like 10 euros these days Aug 02 19:39:50 mimecar: that involves ordering one Aug 02 19:40:08 yes, but it's a cheap hardware Aug 02 19:40:09 if you don't get a pesky salesman saying "serial ports are obsolete, you don't need this cable" Aug 02 19:40:14 * XorA|gone will have to hunt out that old motorola cable Aug 02 19:40:41 koen can xoo use a zaurus image instead an ipaq image ? Aug 02 19:40:57 XorA|gone: do mindstorm use micocontrollers ? Aug 02 19:41:02 Xoo is a just a fancy border around xnest/xephyr Aug 02 19:41:13 it's cool Aug 02 19:41:30 mimecar: I assume there is a uC of some form in there Aug 02 19:42:30 XorA|gone: yours doesn't run lejos yet? Aug 02 19:42:40 koen: not even powered it up Aug 02 19:42:56 koen "lejos" ? it looks a spanish word Aug 02 19:43:11 XorA|gone: I'm about ot make a bad pun about bricking a mindstorm Aug 02 19:43:18 mimecar: http://lejos.sourceforge.net/ Aug 02 19:43:22 I was actually more interested in running DCC on it Aug 02 19:44:23 XorA|gone: the train DCC? Aug 02 19:44:32 koen: yeah Aug 02 19:44:39 I have multiple 9v trains Aug 02 19:45:39 I should really move my lego to here Aug 02 19:45:46 is "icon padding" related with separation between icons ? Aug 02 19:48:52 Hello Aug 02 19:48:57 hi anithaxer Aug 02 19:49:05 My wcf12 is not working with my akita zaurus flashed with angstrom Aug 02 19:49:23 did you configured wifi ? Aug 02 19:49:26 It will work then stop working. The screen will freeze up and go white. Any suggestions? Aug 02 19:49:41 Also my dlink 660 does not even get receongnized as a wifi deivce Aug 02 19:49:43 have you update the system? you can use usbnet Aug 02 19:49:54 update my system? Aug 02 19:49:56 I've a dlink 660w and works ok Aug 02 19:49:57 usbnet? Aug 02 19:49:59 yes Aug 02 19:50:05 What is usbnet? Aug 02 19:50:50 you can connect zaurus to internet with the usb cable Aug 02 19:51:07 Why would I want to do that? Aug 02 19:51:26 update the system and fix (with luck) the bug Aug 02 19:51:30 Ok Aug 02 19:51:37 Step my step process how to do that please Aug 02 19:51:46 Does my system need to be linux or windows Aug 02 19:52:06 not that damn akita + wifi whiteout again :-) Aug 02 19:52:14 linux Aug 02 19:52:14 ya Aug 02 19:52:19 ok in linux Aug 02 19:52:20 anithaxer: I use this web http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08s07.html Aug 02 19:52:56 btw I am thinking of buying a pharos ethernet card anyone used oen before? Aug 02 19:53:05 i don't Aug 02 19:53:23 anithaxer: you must follow some steps, but it's a easy guide Aug 02 19:54:38 kk Aug 02 19:54:45 "kk" ? Aug 02 19:55:58 lunch time Aug 02 19:56:08 All I do is run that script? Aug 02 19:56:30 there're two scripts, one for the zaurus and another for the pc side Aug 02 19:56:43 see you later Aug 02 20:00:45 ssh 192.168.129.201 Aug 02 20:13:28 FUck not working for me Aug 02 20:13:30 :/ Aug 02 20:49:50 mimecar Aug 02 20:49:56 tell me Aug 02 20:49:57 What does bcast mean Aug 02 20:50:07 On ifconfig it syas bcast Aug 02 20:50:12 I have never heard of that before Aug 02 20:50:41 .255 Aug 02 20:50:45 its the broadcast address Aug 02 20:50:45 ? Aug 02 20:50:57 broadcast is 255.255.255.255 Aug 02 20:50:57 What is the broadcast address? Aug 02 20:51:03 192.168.0.255 is the broadcast for that subnet Aug 02 20:51:10 Thats what mine is set to Aug 02 20:51:19 If I am using usb should I change i to Aug 02 20:51:23 255.255.255.0 Aug 02 20:51:24 if you send a message to a broadcast, all the devices on the network will get the message Aug 02 20:51:33 255.255.255.0 is a network group Aug 02 20:51:36 anithaxer: follow the web Aug 02 20:51:42 Linux wasnt working Aug 02 20:51:45 i switched to windows Aug 02 20:51:52 I have the driver sisntalled Aug 02 20:51:56 And it connected to my comptuer Aug 02 20:52:03 a broadcast ends with .255 for standard subnetting, if it ends with something else you'd know why from the subnet math, aka you need .255 Aug 02 20:52:40 anithaxer: that tutorial works on linux Aug 02 20:52:49 I know, that tutorial was not working for me. Aug 02 20:53:12 i've only set my z networking with usb up under linux, but the network principle should be the same, give them both a valid ip, make sure they can ping each other, then get some basic forwarding and name resolution set up Aug 02 20:53:15 did you changed zaurus address to 192.168.129.201 ? Aug 02 20:53:36 Right now I have on windows the zaurs config set up as Aug 02 20:53:41 wirelessdreamer: yes, but it's easy follow a guide works instead test and pray Aug 02 20:53:41 192.168.1.55 Aug 02 20:53:44 255.255.255.0 Aug 02 20:53:47 192.168.1.1 Aug 02 20:53:49 same for the zaurus Aug 02 20:53:57 I can't help you on windows Aug 02 20:54:15 did you have them on the same subnet and were you able to ping? Aug 02 20:54:31 na I cant ping Aug 02 20:54:32 wirelessdreamer: me? Aug 02 20:54:43 anithaxer: have you disable your firewall? Aug 02 20:54:48 mine: sry was talking to anti still Aug 02 20:54:52 no, do I need to? Aug 02 20:54:56 ok Aug 02 20:55:04 it can be firewall block zaurus Aug 02 20:55:25 well walk me thru it on linux Aug 02 20:55:37 i haven't used a usb net link for probably 2 years, so i'm a little rusty on it, i'll hook up my z real fast and make sure i can get on with the current angstrom kernel modules Aug 02 20:55:43 Ok Aug 02 20:55:53 I would use my cf cards if they worked Aug 02 20:56:03 Ima about to order a ambicon hopefully that will work... Aug 02 20:56:16 WEll when yall are rady i am rady with my linux box Aug 02 20:56:55 For network setup what do I need to put for usb0 Aug 02 20:56:56 ? Aug 02 20:57:01 what module are you using on your linux box Aug 02 20:57:10 Address: Netmask: Broadcast: Gateway: Aug 02 20:57:13 Which modules? Aug 02 20:58:53 yea, i think the zaurus is using g_ether for its usb net driver now from what i just saw on my c3000 Aug 02 20:59:08 forget what module my laptop should use, i don't think i built it Aug 02 21:00:27 SO do I need to donwload a module? Aug 02 21:00:45 anithaxer: you don't need it Aug 02 21:01:02 OK, well tell me what I need to do. Aug 02 21:01:13 follow the link i gave you Aug 02 21:01:17 I did Aug 02 21:01:22 Did not work as the tutorial said Aug 02 21:01:32 If something goes wrong I can not ask the tutorial what is wrong Aug 02 21:01:49 do you enable usb0 on pc side ? Aug 02 21:02:17 the script appears on the page must be runned on pc side Aug 02 21:02:22 Yes Aug 02 21:02:23 I ran it Aug 02 21:02:28 http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08s06.html Aug 02 21:02:33 usb0 appeared on my ifoncifg Aug 02 21:02:42 you need the previous page to enable network Aug 02 21:02:42 but I could not ping Aug 02 21:02:50 Can you please just walk me through it Aug 02 21:02:54 anithaxer: do you have a usb0 device on each device when you run ifconfig -a with an ip assigned? Aug 02 21:03:02 Yes Aug 02 21:03:05 But I could not ping Aug 02 21:03:10 same subnets? Aug 02 21:03:13 on pc => ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up ;route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 Aug 02 21:03:13 idk Aug 02 21:03:26 hold on a second let me etner that info Aug 02 21:03:31 "route" Aug 02 21:03:42 you must run on pc side Aug 02 21:04:01 hold on Aug 02 21:04:08 First what should my settings be on the zaurus Aug 02 21:04:15 on your zaurus Aug 02 21:04:19 192.168.129.200 for ip Aug 02 21:04:23 ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.201 Aug 02 21:04:23 what for netmask Aug 02 21:04:28 255.255.255.255? Aug 02 21:04:35 and for gateway and bcast? Aug 02 21:04:42 don't worry Aug 02 21:04:51 ? Aug 02 21:04:58 you must set only the ip for zaurus Aug 02 21:05:04 it worked for me Aug 02 21:05:05 k Aug 02 21:05:28 iexits a option in bitbake to only download the files needed ? like bitbalke -download-only nano ? Aug 02 21:05:42 s/bitbalke/bitbake Aug 02 21:05:51 psycoman: bitbake nano , it will compile nano and it's dependence Aug 02 21:06:18 if you use 255.255.255.255 as a net mask it means you can only communicate with yourself, use 255.255.255.0 for a class c subnet mask Aug 02 21:06:24 bt Desktop # route Aug 02 21:06:24 Kernel IP routing table Aug 02 21:06:24 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Aug 02 21:06:24 192.168.129.201 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 Aug 02 21:06:24 192.168.182.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet8 Aug 02 21:06:27 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 Aug 02 21:06:29 172.16.246.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1 Aug 02 21:06:32 loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo Aug 02 21:06:34 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 Aug 02 21:06:37 bt Desktop # Aug 02 21:06:40 That is what route gives me on my host linux box Aug 02 21:06:57 mimecar: please read again Aug 02 21:07:09 only source ? Aug 02 21:07:32 mimecar: are you useing a br0 interface to only set one side? Aug 02 21:07:49 what's br0? Aug 02 21:07:54 bridge interface Aug 02 21:07:57 ok Aug 02 21:08:11 mimecar: i want download all and compile after without a inet onetion Aug 02 21:08:14 i set the zaurus ip, other parameters i think i use default options Aug 02 21:08:20 psycoman: no idea Aug 02 21:08:20 Help me Aug 02 21:08:21 lol Aug 02 21:08:37 anithaxer: have you usb0 on pc side with ip 192.168.129.200 ? Aug 02 21:08:37 anithaxer: try this Aug 02 21:08:44 dude look at my paste Aug 02 21:08:48 bt Desktop # route Aug 02 21:08:48 Kernel IP routing table Aug 02 21:08:48 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Aug 02 21:08:48 192.168.129.201 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 Aug 02 21:08:49 on your z: route del default gw Aug 02 21:08:50 192.168.182.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet8 Aug 02 21:08:53 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 Aug 02 21:08:55 172.16.246.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 vmnet1 Aug 02 21:08:58 loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo Aug 02 21:09:00 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 Aug 02 21:09:15 ok did that on z wireless Aug 02 21:09:16 i don't remember all the parameters now Aug 02 21:09:29 then, you should be able to ping zaurus Aug 02 21:09:34 disable firewall before Aug 02 21:09:37 how Aug 02 21:09:57 you can use firestarter, it's a frontend for iptables (pc side) Aug 02 21:10:06 ok I can ping it Aug 02 21:10:11 good Aug 02 21:10:14 I am not running ip tables Aug 02 21:10:17 ssh IP Aug 02 21:10:20 so that should not be a problem Aug 02 21:10:23 That did not work Aug 02 21:10:24 ssh Aug 02 21:10:36 ssh: connect to host 192.168.129.200 port 22: Connection refused Aug 02 21:10:45 nop Aug 02 21:10:49 nop? Aug 02 21:10:49 ssh 192.168.129.201 Aug 02 21:11:01 .200 is the IP of pc side Aug 02 21:11:14 zaurus ip ends on .201 Aug 02 21:11:23 ssh: connect to host 192.168.129.201 port 22: No route to host Aug 02 21:11:31 can you ping ? Aug 02 21:11:35 yes Aug 02 21:12:07 Wait what should I be pinging Aug 02 21:12:11 201 or 200? Aug 02 21:12:14 201 Aug 02 21:12:19 from pc side Aug 02 21:12:22 I cannot ping 201 Aug 02 21:12:24 .200 from zaurus Aug 02 21:12:26 only 2oo Aug 02 21:12:45 do zaurus IP ends on .201 ? Aug 02 21:13:04 idk Aug 02 21:13:06 how do I check Aug 02 21:13:09 ifconfig on zaurus? Aug 02 21:13:17 ifconfig on zaurus terminal Aug 02 21:13:26 192.168.129.200 Aug 02 21:13:30 is teh zaurus ip Aug 02 21:13:36 it's wrong Aug 02 21:13:42 ifconfig says its that Aug 02 21:13:43 ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.201 Aug 02 21:13:48 on z? Aug 02 21:13:52 yes Aug 02 21:14:12 you can't use the same ip on both sides Aug 02 21:14:38 ok i sshed in Aug 02 21:14:39 :-) Aug 02 21:14:45 :P Aug 02 21:14:49 later I we need to make a script for me Aug 02 21:14:51 save all the steps on a bunker Aug 02 21:14:55 ;) Aug 02 21:14:55 So I do not ahve to bother yo again :-p Aug 02 21:15:09 Ok before we do that how do I update my packages via ssh Aug 02 21:15:39 "Next page" on the web guide Aug 02 21:15:59 ipkg update Aug 02 21:16:01 you must configure pc to nat the zaurus connection and give you connnection to the outside world Aug 02 21:16:02 right? Aug 02 21:16:08 can you ping google? Aug 02 21:16:18 if you have network working, yes Aug 02 21:16:23 no Aug 02 21:16:24 lol Aug 02 21:16:28 xDDD Aug 02 21:16:42 http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08s07.html Aug 02 21:16:44 do that? Aug 02 21:16:53 yes Aug 02 21:17:00 on z or pc Aug 02 21:17:20 on the "--to IP" option of iptables you must change the ip Aug 02 21:17:22 pc side Aug 02 21:18:01 iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE Aug 02 21:18:07 tpye that? Aug 02 21:18:14 iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT Aug 02 21:18:25 echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 02 21:18:32 Type all of that exactly? Aug 02 21:18:36 on your host Aug 02 21:18:42 kk Aug 02 21:18:43 that should forward everything for you Aug 02 21:18:48 make sure you have iptables installed Aug 02 21:19:00 if you network card on pc is eth1 Aug 02 21:19:09 on some linux, i have eth0 instead Aug 02 21:19:18 replace eth1 with usb0 Aug 02 21:19:24 that was the config on my desktop Aug 02 21:19:25 on the second command? Aug 02 21:19:28 yes Aug 02 21:19:56 done Aug 02 21:20:01 entered all of the command Aug 02 21:20:06 replaced eth0 with eth1 Aug 02 21:20:11 replaced eth1 with usb0 Aug 02 21:20:44 make sure you have /etc/resolv.conf with your nameserver entry from your desktop also Aug 02 21:22:04 nameserver 24.25.5.150 Aug 02 21:22:05 nameserver 24.25.5.149 Aug 02 21:22:05 search nc.rr.com Aug 02 21:22:09 that look right? Aug 02 21:22:15 that is what is in my resolve.conf Aug 02 21:22:20 those are my dns servers Aug 02 21:22:34 yea Aug 02 21:22:38 now what Aug 02 21:22:52 and you'll need to run route add default gw IP_OF_HOST_MACHINE on your saurus Aug 02 21:23:24 just got my zaurus up following the same steps Aug 02 21:24:09 netowrk is unreachable? Aug 02 21:24:41 anithaxer: on zaurus => ping 64.233.183.104 Aug 02 21:24:50 is the google ip Aug 02 21:25:01 netowrk is unreachable Aug 02 21:25:33 ok so at this point you have an ip on each machine on the usb0 interface Aug 02 21:25:41 you can ping each machine with the other Aug 02 21:25:43 so I have sshed in Aug 02 21:25:54 you added iptables routing rules to reach the net Aug 02 21:26:07 you added the default gateway on your zaurus to be the ip of your desktop Aug 02 21:26:27 you added nameserver entries on your z Aug 02 21:26:30 o Aug 02 21:26:34 didnt add name servers on z Aug 02 21:26:50 what is the console text editor on the z? Aug 02 21:27:09 vim or nano Aug 02 21:27:12 anithaxer: if you ping an ip address, network works, in other case, adding nameserver won't work Aug 02 21:27:14 vi Aug 02 21:27:16 likely you'd have both installed Aug 02 21:27:26 nano is not installed on angstrom default Aug 02 21:27:58 I have nano on my z Aug 02 21:28:05 I don't Aug 02 21:28:16 I am using custom built image Aug 02 21:28:37 ok Aug 02 21:28:51 /etc/resolv.conf Aug 02 21:28:55 added my name servers Aug 02 21:29:06 what next Aug 02 21:29:30 if you can't ping a internet ip, network is not working Aug 02 21:29:43 ok Aug 02 21:29:51 if you can ping between boxes and can't ping a box on the net your iptables rules were messed up Aug 02 21:30:26 help me fix them then? lol Aug 02 21:31:00 iptables -F to flush the current rules Aug 02 21:31:12 on both z and host Aug 02 21:31:15 ? Aug 02 21:31:20 this is all just run on host Aug 02 21:31:25 you don't need to add rules to the z Aug 02 21:31:31 iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE Aug 02 21:31:47 iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT Aug 02 21:31:55 echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Aug 02 21:32:08 i only use one sentence with iptables Aug 02 21:32:12 these enable your desktop to route traffic from your z and back again Aug 02 21:33:01 instead of eth1 Aug 02 21:33:02 can firewall block connections of zaurus or you're open the ports? Aug 02 21:33:09 i put usb0 Aug 02 21:33:10 paste yours for him to try for if he has trouble with these, i'd like to see it also :) Aug 02 21:33:10 right Aug 02 21:33:14 and eth0 i put eth1 Aug 02 21:34:30 did those 3 commands Aug 02 21:34:40 http://pastebin.com/d12967e03 Aug 02 21:35:30 line 10, i use eth1, line 11 (i think) i add my local ip (for example 192.168.1.30) Aug 02 21:36:39 also i need to disable firewall for the test Aug 02 21:37:51 So what do I need to enter in mimecar? Aug 02 21:37:52 mimecar: line 17 is redundant to line 18, with both in the same subnet that route is automatically known Aug 02 21:38:27 wirelessdreamer: i don't know code do Aug 02 21:38:31 it works :P Aug 02 21:38:38 :) Aug 02 21:38:43 iptables -t -A -j -0 eth1 --to 192.168.1.102 Aug 02 21:38:44 anithaxer: the first part, on pc side Aug 02 21:38:49 THat right there Aug 02 21:39:01 paste all the text Aug 02 21:39:05 ? Aug 02 21:39:18 lines 1-11 Aug 02 21:39:30 # Aug 02 21:39:32 iptables -t nat -F # optional, depending on your situation Aug 02 21:39:32 # Aug 02 21:39:32 iptables \ Aug 02 21:39:32 # -t nat \ Aug 02 21:39:35 # -A POSTROUTING \ Aug 02 21:39:37 # -j SNAT \ Aug 02 21:39:40 # -o eth0 \ Aug 02 21:39:42 # --to 192.168.1.100 Aug 02 21:39:45 that? Aug 02 21:39:49 yes Aug 02 21:40:05 change eth0 if your computer doesn't use it Aug 02 21:40:18 and --to is the ip of your computer Aug 02 21:42:32 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth1 --to 192.168.1.102 Aug 02 21:42:34