**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 02:59:57 2007 Aug 06 14:45:29 Hi all. I have just updated my akita, and what shall I say: X is no more starting. I suppose, it is a bug the package "gpe-dm". Is there something known about it ? Aug 06 14:46:29 gpe-dm can't be started any more even manually. Aug 06 14:59:20 Sry, I have some problems with the bugtracker... Aug 06 16:42:18 hello Aug 06 16:51:05 re Aug 06 17:37:27 Trying to install the X11 image from /unstable/images/spitz/20070803 I saw a lot of error messages from tar. It could not create many files, but I couldn't read the reason, it was scrolling by too fast. Aug 06 17:38:24 (might have been no space left on device, although some were failurs to create files due to missing directories Aug 06 17:38:28 ) Aug 06 17:38:28 This was followed by a kernel panic - no init fount Aug 06 17:41:39 trying again: I'm pretty sure I saw "no space left on device" more than once Aug 06 17:42:57 no init found again Aug 06 17:45:43 I'm wondering whether to go to an older version or just pick a smaller image. I do recall the root partition was < 10MB the last time I flashed Aug 06 17:56:05 try resizing the root partition Aug 06 17:56:30 * koen doesn't have a zaurus to test images on so can only guess Aug 06 17:59:40 koen: this is well before you get the chance to Aug 06 18:00:02 (unless there's soem bootloader-partitioner I dont' know about yet :) Aug 06 18:00:51 same problem with the latest console image Aug 06 18:02:48 * eekee grabs the minimalist to test Aug 06 18:10:12 minimalist boots! Aug 06 18:14:31 After the last update (akita) will X no more start. I suppose, the reason is the package gpe-dm. To verify this, I need an older package. Where can I get a version prior to 0.50-r0 ? Aug 06 18:18:48 * eekee facepalms. "The standard microdrive's partitioning won't work as the root partition is too small. You need to resize the first partition to at least 100MB using fdisk before attempting to flash a 2.6 kernel." <-- that's at the wrong end of the install page. Aug 06 18:27:09 hi all Aug 06 18:27:25 welcome Aug 06 18:27:51 :) Aug 06 18:39:33 woot got X ^^ Aug 06 18:47:45 grats Aug 06 18:49:05 ty... uh, lost my diplay now. I was playing with the frontlight control when it went completely black Aug 06 18:50:06 type bl 255 Aug 06 18:50:12 hope your in a console ;) Aug 06 18:50:35 nupe :/ Ah, the joys of X Aug 06 18:51:39 * eekee poked the reset switch Aug 06 18:53:20 I need to have this thing networked when I play around with the display Aug 06 18:53:37 always safer that way :) Aug 06 18:53:56 yeah :) Aug 06 19:00:07 lol, love punkass's hostmask Aug 06 19:50:18 is e-wm the e17 package? Aug 06 19:55:24 if i remember correctly Aug 06 19:55:29 ty **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 20:10:29 2007 Aug 06 20:32:58 i want install a angstrom in flash partition of a spitz, how can i proced ? Aug 06 20:47:40 . Aug 06 20:48:54 i can install akita version in a spitz to use their flash ram ? Aug 06 20:49:33 psycoman: no Aug 06 20:49:53 how i can, install angstrom in flash ? Aug 06 20:50:07 microdrive drain my battery very quickly Aug 06 20:50:23 and using the slow flash doesn't? Aug 06 20:51:13 erase the partition, flash a jffs2 file, compile a custom kernel and flash that Aug 06 20:51:15 the flash of zaurus is more slower than microdrive ? Aug 06 20:51:58 way slower Aug 06 20:53:09 for me flash was more faster than microdrive and use less battery =/ Aug 06 20:53:29 but if it can reduce battery usage for me already a great thing Aug 06 21:04:30 hi Aug 06 21:05:53 h Aug 06 21:05:55 hi Aug 06 21:10:07 psycoman: hey Aug 06 21:10:14 do you have a zaurus? Aug 06 21:10:40 dcordes|akita, yeap a spitz Aug 06 21:10:55 is your speaker working? Aug 06 21:15:27 yeap Aug 06 21:16:59 does it just work or did you manually corret the asount statefile? Aug 06 21:25:01 dcordes|akita, it just work Aug 06 21:27:32 zodttd, any chances of a psx emulator for angstrom ? Aug 06 21:33:37 i saw someone ask about zodttd's emu then a netspit hit, anyone say anything? Aug 06 21:34:27 nope Aug 06 21:34:31 nothing said Aug 06 21:34:33 back :) Aug 06 21:34:48 wirelessdreamer: Got your message at the site. Aug 06 21:34:55 i've almost got libsdl 1.2.9 finished with fbcon support for angstrom Aug 06 21:35:06 zodttd: woot :) Aug 06 21:35:22 zodttd: i've been looking forward to trying your emu for months Aug 06 21:35:25 wirelessdreamer: Very good news! Sorry about using libsdl, but it will be good for other ports as well im sure Aug 06 21:35:38 wirelessdreamer: It got a lot better recently, though it needs polishing Aug 06 21:36:00 lol i tried psx once with OZ Aug 06 21:36:05 it was so slow Aug 06 21:36:35 dcordes|akita: PCSX or psx4all? I wrote a dynarec for psx4all, its on its third revision now and improves speed by a huge amount Aug 06 21:36:39 zodttd: libsdl's great, it had a build error when we went 2.6 that no one every cared about, i'm having trouble building 1.2.12, but if i backport a patch from .10 it should be good to go Aug 06 21:36:57 zodttd: it was psx4all Aug 06 21:36:59 wirelessdreamer: I'm good with even 1.2.9 ;P Aug 06 21:37:08 zodttd: want me to st? Aug 06 21:37:11 tst Aug 06 21:37:25 dcordes|akita: Yeah the OZ build I made was very slow since it was a bad build using the first edition of the dynarec. I Learned a lot since then. Aug 06 21:37:48 zodttd: my problem i'm working with now is 1.2.9 build for the console fine, but it doesn't pull settings from /etc/fb.modes, so its confused about the res to use Aug 06 21:37:56 dcordes|akita: I have a pdaXrom compile up, but I'd like to try angstrom Aug 06 21:38:12 wirelessdreamer: Eww. I hear that Aug 06 21:38:15 ok just let me know Aug 06 21:38:33 wirelessdreamer: The main problem with most libsdl's for my C1000 is the rotated framebuffer support. Aug 06 21:41:40 zodttd: is that 2.4 or 2.6? Aug 06 21:42:22 anyone running angstrom on a x86 system? Aug 06 21:42:33 i have a gunze touchscreen and would like to get it working in xfbdev Aug 06 21:42:38 2.4 works, 2.6 doesnt rotate. ;) Aug 06 21:42:57 what options do you use to rotate? Aug 06 21:43:03 At least for pdaXrom, I cant remember if OZ was the same, but I believe so Aug 06 21:43:22 wirelessdreamer: fbcon works fine as is in console. No options needed Aug 06 21:43:33 2.6 has near perfect power management Aug 06 21:44:22 what rotate option are you using in 2.4 that doesn't work in 2.6? Aug 06 21:44:46 my touchscreen works in xorg using the evdev driver Aug 06 21:44:50 Basically since, at least the C1000, Zaurus has a rotated framebuffer when I blit to the screen, it draws as if it was a portrait oriented screen, and not landscape. This means I can support fbcon in 2.6 kernels, but have to rotate the screen internally within my emulator. Aug 06 21:45:04 but when i try xfbdev -use-evdev it doesn't work Aug 06 21:45:36 it also works on a 2.4 kernel using -mouse /dev/input/mice,5 but doesn't seem to work on 2.6 using that Aug 06 21:46:19 zodttd: from what i understand the lcd in the new z's is actually a 240x320 lcd Aug 06 21:47:07 wirelessdreamer: My C1000 is a 480x640 rotated landscape Aug 06 21:47:26 thats what i meant, was thing of it scaled down in a console Aug 06 21:47:33 ahh yes Aug 06 21:47:45 s/thing/thinking/ Aug 06 21:47:49 :) Aug 06 21:47:53 *thinking Aug 06 21:48:14 \ Aug 06 21:49:29 wirelessdreamer: So if I were to say, memcpy to the SDL main surface, will it rotate it to landscape for me, or will I have to assume its a portrait framebuffer and rotate it within my program? Aug 06 21:49:32 wb Aug 06 21:50:20 zodttd: i'll be able to let you know once i have it built and tested, hopefully soon :) Aug 06 21:51:12 ;) Aug 06 21:51:34 wirelessdreamer: Does angstrom support the Akita without a microdrive? Aug 06 21:52:13 zodttd: i know flash images are built, so at worst a new kernel image would have to be made is all Aug 06 21:52:15 I currently don't have a microdrive but would like to get it up and running so I can test a build out for it. Should compile just fine and be quick and easy. Aug 06 21:52:35 Ok cool. Wasnt sure if it was supported even. :) Aug 06 21:53:07 same hardware is in c1000 c3x series, only difference is what to use as the root drive Aug 06 21:53:58 Ok, I'll flash between pdaXrom and angstrom in the meantime. Which is no problem since I only use the Zaurus for developing. Aug 06 21:54:23 fbset supports 480x640 and 240x320, so i'm guessing it'll have to be in the emu from what you said =| Aug 06 21:54:43 its actually messing up most of the sdl programs i try to run Aug 06 21:54:55 the right place to fix it would probably be in sdl source not the emu Aug 06 21:55:17 then other sdl programs would run correctly Aug 06 21:55:17 Correct Aug 06 21:55:47 Hmmm. I wonder how the SDL I use for 2.4 kernels handles it Aug 06 21:56:07 I believe the BVDD Japanese guy did the SDL patch that handled the rotation Aug 06 21:56:08 run fbset and see what modes it reports Aug 06 21:56:22 I know for a fact it includes 480x640 Aug 06 21:56:27 all portrait Aug 06 21:56:33 can you point me to the patch? :) Aug 06 21:56:37 Yeah hold ;) Aug 06 21:57:02 i checked pdaxrom's patches but their repository was never updated, sob :( Aug 06 21:57:04 I actually did some of this work youre doing already when I was fustrated with SDL support in pdaXrom's 2.6 kernel Aug 06 21:57:13 Thats why I was going off about BVDD/SRAM bull Aug 06 21:57:34 http://atty.skr.jp/pub/zaurus/ Aug 06 21:57:40 http://atty.skr.jp <-- main page Aug 06 21:59:48 seeing how the emu coding is beyond me i'll work on sdl support while you do more enhancements to the engine :) i'll leave a post on your forums when i get stuck if your not hanning around here ok? :) Aug 06 22:00:00 Ok :) Aug 06 22:00:11 I'll idle here as much as possible Aug 06 22:00:38 i leave for vacation in about a week, hopeing to have it up by then but if not it'll be a few Aug 06 22:01:19 i also saw a patch for console touchscreen support floating around i want to try and get working Aug 06 22:01:31 If you need help, feel free to ask. I actually got SRAM supported in a build of psx4all's code at one point Aug 06 22:01:33 could run freesci, scummvm, and dosbox out of x then Aug 06 22:01:35 So I know a bit about that as well Aug 06 22:02:12 Oh crap! I forgot about DOSBox! I'm supposed to be doing an ARM Dynarec for them Aug 06 22:02:16 a "C" Dynarec. Aug 06 22:02:43 Heh, just checked mail and there's a message from c2woody. Crap. Thanks for the reminder. :P Aug 06 22:03:34 np : Aug 06 22:03:36 ) Aug 06 22:04:19 heh Aug 06 22:04:36 Yeah, I made a perfect DOSBox compile on the Zaurus in minutes. Loving it Aug 06 22:05:10 The console keys were a bit messed up, but I have that sdl key layout file that helped tons Aug 06 22:05:36 One of the reasons I wanted a Zaurus again, other than psx4all, was to help the DOSBox team with the ARM ports. Aug 06 22:05:42 And get them in their SVN Aug 06 22:06:28 alot of the dosbox programs i tried were pretty slow, so not sure if it was just the build or what Aug 06 22:07:13 I could almost run Syndicate Wars at decent speeds with an older build I made. It was a DOS4GW game, and sound slowed it down. Aug 06 22:07:27 Other lesser intense games ran really well Aug 06 22:07:53 My build may still be up on oesf.org but it might be specific to pdaxrom, not sure Aug 06 22:08:41 +static void Aug 06 22:08:41 +blitRotate2(Uint16 *dstBits, const QSize& dstSize, Aug 06 22:08:41 + const Uint16 *srcBits, const QSize& srcSize, Aug 06 22:08:41 + QRect srcBlitRect) Aug 06 22:08:46 err oops, but yeah Aug 06 22:08:55 i wanted to get epic pinball, traffic department 2192, quest for glory 2,3 running :) Aug 06 22:09:00 there's rotation in that guys diff's Aug 06 22:09:11 Space Quest kinda person over here :) Aug 06 22:09:32 all i need are configure options to build one, have the build env all set up for angstrom Aug 06 22:09:59 cool. I can help with that Aug 06 22:10:32 Hhttp://atty.skr.jp/pub/zaurus/libsdl_1.2.5-slzaurus20031201_arm.diff Aug 06 22:10:36 that should help you along a lot Aug 06 22:11:00 Old code, but still applies Aug 06 22:11:14 err -H in that Aug 06 22:12:00 already looking at it Aug 06 22:12:08 lots of code to sort through Aug 06 22:13:02 yeah Aug 06 22:13:56 SDL_DSP_NFRAGMENTS? Aug 06 22:15:06 yes Aug 06 22:15:42 wait, DSP...I believe thats in reference to the Digital Signal Processor (DSP) in the Intel Bulverde Aug 06 22:18:04 do you know if the audio workaround is still needed? i don't remember hearing anything about it Aug 06 22:18:36 wirelessdreamer, can spitz have a better X version ? for me Xfbdev is so slow for gui thngs :/ Aug 06 22:18:58 what type of things is it slow on? Aug 06 22:19:21 X Aug 06 22:19:23 wirelessdreamer: I dont know, sorry :/ Aug 06 22:19:36 i see window draw, X is slow at all Aug 06 22:19:47 on my spitz Aug 06 22:20:39 zodttd: i'm clearing out the qt stuff from it now, should be able to get something working :) Aug 06 22:21:08 :) Aug 06 22:21:24 psycoman: what wm? Aug 06 22:21:54 default Aug 06 22:21:58 matchbox Aug 06 22:22:32 matchbox felt slow to me, it may just be the build, i didn't use it very long before going to e17 Aug 06 22:23:25 wirelessdreamer, you have shifted issue on screen ? Aug 06 22:24:24 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 Aug 06 22:24:32 looking Aug 06 22:24:42 back Aug 06 22:25:31 zodttd, im still wating you pm in oesf :) Aug 06 22:25:59 my startup files are very hacked up on my z right now, i don't even know what the normals look like Aug 06 22:26:23 can i ask why you hacked them ? Aug 06 22:30:46 ? Aug 06 22:31:04 zodttd, im the guy asking about emu info Aug 06 22:31:36 ohhh. For the report?! Aug 06 22:31:50 If so Ive been meaning to reply for ages now. Aug 06 22:31:59 i re-replay you Aug 06 22:32:26 I didnt see it. :( ...To be honest, I was having a hard time finding decent places for such a topics. Aug 06 22:32:29 topic* Aug 06 22:32:54 im tring to get informations about emu things Aug 06 22:33:06 Since I basically learned it on my own, I tend to ask friends in the same community for help. There's a large community at places like ps2dev.org Aug 06 22:33:19 and there's the PCSX2 boards Aug 06 22:34:06 hmm Aug 06 22:34:38 I tried asking friends where they go, and the forums were all private Aug 06 22:34:52 im think i need know more about linux/emulator before init this stuff Aug 06 22:35:33 i make a initial gameboy emu Aug 06 22:35:46 thats a pretty tough project Aug 06 22:35:48 but i stoped in irc things, i dont understand some concepts Aug 06 22:35:52 irq Aug 06 22:36:11 liek when draw in screen hehe Aug 06 22:36:19 The video handling is tougher, a good friend of mine does a GBA emu gpSP Aug 06 22:37:30 I heard gpSP got ported to the Zaurus. Exophase (author) said he did a good job from what I heard. Used the gp2x version with either my dynarec or his. Either way it was good stuff. Aug 06 22:38:23 gpSP run in full speed Aug 06 22:38:36 :) Aug 06 22:38:39 i have used in pdaxrom and it is very nice Aug 06 22:38:52 full speed without oclock Aug 06 22:39:05 Yup, Exophase (and I for the GP2X version and initial dynarec) did a good job on it Aug 06 22:42:07 psycoman: the e17 startup was acting funny is all i remember as to the reason anymore, i should probably look at the original again soon, when i booted it first i wasn't familiar with oe at all, now i've been working with it for a few weeks Aug 06 22:42:26 wirelessdreamer: You ever set up a SVN? Aug 06 22:42:45 wirelessdreamer: I wouldnt mind a SVN set up for the zodttd site Aug 06 22:42:56 wirelessdreamer, you have a spitz ? Aug 06 22:43:40 psycoman: yea i have a spitz and c860, selling the 860 soon though Aug 06 22:44:04 zodttd: haven't set it up yet, but i'd give a go if you want, sourceforge good with you? Aug 06 22:44:10 or you have a server Aug 06 22:44:16 with the badnwith Aug 06 22:44:29 wirelessdreamer, can you provide to em the you init script to e17 or make a patch :) Aug 06 22:45:04 i don't even remember what i changed anymore, i need to pull down the original and look at it Aug 06 22:46:31 wirelessdreamer, please do that, i want e17 but i dont have knowledges to make hard changes yet Aug 06 22:46:40 I have the bandwidth, though probably need to upgrade my crap for it to be set up via ssh and etc. Aug 06 22:47:39 what i'm doing now definately isn't a fix, i have gpedm disabled and by startx script is sorta broken and i start some of x manually, but i don't restart my z often so i haven't thought about it that often Aug 06 22:48:03 zodttd: what distro Aug 06 22:49:36 wirelessdreamer: Oh, I definitely cant set it up now, i should say. Its a cheap Linux webhost. Aug 06 22:50:31 the sdl patch isn't something i'll be able to do quickly, it needs to be ported from qt-sdl to fbcon-sdl Aug 06 22:50:36 wirelessdreamer, hrw tellme to use xserver-nodm and not startx Aug 06 22:51:44 psycoman: i tried to make a .xinitrc and .xserverrc like in a standard distro and they didn't work, so i think i killed some lines in a startup file so no dm would load in x and i just ran enlightenment_start & on my own in the terminal Aug 06 22:56:00 wirelessdreamer, i want use flash of my zaurus, microdrive uses much battery, and much more wifi a cf adapter, fash partition is slower ? Aug 06 22:56:09 s/fash/flash Aug 06 22:56:25 but it can drain battery more slower not ? Aug 06 22:56:31 spitz only has 16meg flash, you sure you want to do that? Aug 06 22:56:43 i have great battery life on mine and i don't even pay attention to my flash Aug 06 22:56:50 sl-c3000 have 16 mine have 128 Aug 06 22:56:59 maybe its a bad microdrive Aug 06 22:57:17 drop to a console and run hdparm -tT /dev/hda Aug 06 22:57:20 tell me your numbers Aug 06 22:57:24 oka Aug 06 22:58:01 zodttd: i think trying to port the rotation patch may be beyond me, i have next to no experience with sdl or qt, and it'll involve going from qt to sdl =| Aug 06 22:58:44 cached reads 156 mb 2.01 seconds 77.78 MB/sec Aug 06 22:59:09 buffered 6 MB 3.24 seconds = 1.85 MB/sec Aug 06 22:59:33 those are normal rates Aug 06 23:00:04 maybe the problem of my spits is myself eheh Aug 06 23:00:30 wirelessdreamer: I can implement the rotation Aug 06 23:00:32 check your dmesg log for errors too if you haven't Aug 06 23:00:43 Better doing it for SDL than internally Aug 06 23:01:09 zodttd: want the patches i have in place for 1.2.9 to start with? Aug 06 23:01:16 save you a little time Aug 06 23:01:30 hmm not quite yet Aug 06 23:02:54 if you want to set up openembedded and bitbake for rom building i know how to help with that ;) Aug 06 23:03:24 wirelessdreamer, how to make e17 in bb Aug 06 23:03:33 just bitbake e17 give no providers Aug 06 23:03:46 oops oe question sorry :( Aug 06 23:03:56 task-e-x11 Aug 06 23:04:24 or e-wm Aug 06 23:04:46 if you look in org.openembedded/packages you can find names for any package in the database there Aug 06 23:04:51 with build recipes to alter Aug 06 23:05:42 i gotit Aug 06 23:06:17 im still waiting eglibc for make a iwmmxt version Aug 06 23:06:24 That would be nice Aug 06 23:06:25 heh Aug 06 23:06:33 Im waiting for GCC for ARM not to suck Aug 06 23:06:42 It outputs hideous code Aug 06 23:07:03 Though I couldnt do any better, or close to it, so I leave my complaints to myself usually heh Aug 06 23:07:52 alot of the core oe devels seemed interested in llvm, thats a bit deeper then i've got though, might be something that would interest you Aug 06 23:08:05 llvm is the big thing as of late Aug 06 23:10:31 tons of google talks about it http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=llvm Aug 06 23:12:28 the patch i found http://www.webkinesia.com/games/embedded.php for sdl console touchscreen support is hard coding 320x240 into itsself, do you know if there is an sdl function i could replace that with? Aug 06 23:14:44 hmmm Aug 06 23:14:49 no :( Aug 06 23:31:33 zodttd: does your emu run 320 or 640 in the console? Aug 06 23:33:46 if im right it run 320 wirelessdreamer Aug 06 23:44:18 i'm out for the night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 07 02:59:57 2007