**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 07 02:59:57 2007
Aug 07 07:07:21 <_law_> hi all, we have the No providers of runtime build target virtual/libx11 with gpephone again...
Aug 07 09:15:14 <eekee> Latest X11 image frequently won't turn the screen back on after a suspend
Aug 07 09:25:14 <eekee> *sigh* you get prompted for a user password during setup, but root's password remains empty
Aug 07 09:26:50 <magnet___> sup eekee
Aug 07 09:27:11 <eekee> allo
Aug 07 09:27:11 <magnet___> I saw the second issue. but it's easy to fix .
Aug 07 09:27:35 <eekee> yeah if you realise it's there. 
Aug 07 09:27:48 <XorA> its "fixed" by not having a debug distro
Aug 07 09:28:02 <magnet___> how the hell would you don't realise that
Aug 07 09:28:07 <magnet___> ?
Aug 07 09:28:10 <eekee> angstrom a debug distro then? 
Aug 07 09:28:11 <magnet___> hi XorA .
Aug 07 09:28:15 <XorA> eekee: yes
Aug 07 09:28:27 <eekee> LOL by just getting on and using the thing without thinking
Aug 07 09:28:35 <XorA> when distro is changed to release, ssh no longer accepts blank passwords
Aug 07 09:28:46 <eekee> ah, see, I don't realise these things :d
Aug 07 09:28:50 <vanguard> Hi all. 
Aug 07 09:28:54 <eekee> hi
Aug 07 09:29:21 <eekee> eh well thenit didnt' hurt me so I'll shut up about it
Aug 07 09:29:28 <vanguard> Problem: X is no more starting after the latest update (akita), any hints, where I should look ? 
Aug 07 09:30:08 <vanguard> The logs only say: gpe-dm is not running.
Aug 07 09:30:10 <eekee> is it gpe that's not starting? Several other people were complaining of that
Aug 07 09:30:19 <eekee> ah ya...
Aug 07 09:30:21 <vanguard> Yes, gpe.
Aug 07 09:30:45 <vanguard> But I cannot find any reasons in the logs.
Aug 07 09:31:38 <vanguard> And so I cannot report a bug.
Aug 07 09:32:49 <vanguard> Which package I should name ????? No chance....
Aug 07 09:33:39 <eekee> I think it's a known problem by now
Aug 07 09:35:20 <vanguard> Yes, but if it is already known, and the problem is not only on my Z, then it is o.k.
Aug 07 09:37:11 <eekee> ere, does this work: xinit rxvt
Aug 07 09:40:20 <vanguard> Hmm, I will try it, as soon it is booted.
Aug 07 09:40:26 <eekee> augh stupid backlight not coming back on. 
Aug 07 09:40:27 <eekee> k
Aug 07 09:40:38 <eekee> uh, I don't mean to be rude, but is there a stable distro for the spitz? I put Angstrom on because I'd spent too long mucking about with even less user-ready stuff
Aug 07 09:41:28 <vanguard> eekee: I have the same problems with the backlight.
Aug 07 09:42:18 <vanguard> xinit is not availabe on my Z.
Aug 07 09:43:04 <eekee> bah stupid cut-down-so-far-there-are-no-alternatives systems, lol
Aug 07 09:43:34 <koen> ipkg install xinit
Aug 07 09:43:38 <eekee> hmm, I wonder how you start the X server
Aug 07 09:44:02 <magnet___> your Z suck realise it
Aug 07 09:44:12 <eekee> XP
Aug 07 09:44:32 <vanguard> koen: Yes, stupid me.
Aug 07 09:44:34 <vanguard> :(
Aug 07 09:46:52 <vanguard> Hmm, it mangles "no server "X" in PATH
Aug 07 09:47:41 * eekee grumbles at the home button in gpe allowing you to get to everything but the ruddy home screen. "Blimey, I'm grumbly today"
Aug 07 09:47:52 <vanguard> I remember, I had a similar problem on my Desktop some years ago, but I do not know, how I solved it that time.
Aug 07 09:53:13 <eekee> vanguard: startx rxvt -- Xfbdev
Aug 07 09:53:29 <eekee> s/startx/xinit/ if need be
Aug 07 09:54:09 <vanguard> Do you know, if angstrom is running Xorg ?
Aug 07 09:54:47 <koen> it is
Aug 07 09:54:56 <koen> the kdrive version
Aug 07 09:55:26 <vanguard> Hmm, I wonder, why the package xserver-xorg was not installed. I only made an upgrade. 
Aug 07 09:55:40 <vanguard> This should not deinstall packages.
Aug 07 09:56:05 <koen> xserver-xorg is the big xserver
Aug 07 09:56:11 <koen> you want xserver-kdrive-fbdev
Aug 07 09:57:13 <vanguard> Ah, there is a difference ! I understand. This package is installed.
Aug 07 10:08:03 <vanguard> It mangles /usr/bin/X. It looks, like there is a missing link below /etc/X11. Is this right: There must be a symbolic link from /etc/X11/X pointing to /usr/bin/Xfbev, is that correct ?
Aug 07 10:08:38 <eekee> that link is an aaaaaaaaancient idea. I haven't seen it actually done in years
Aug 07 10:08:49 <eekee> not since 1999 I think
Aug 07 10:09:06 <vanguard> Hmm, in normal systems it is still needed.
Aug 07 10:09:11 <vanguard> (debian)+
Aug 07 10:09:21 <vanguard> And nowe I have X running. 
Aug 07 10:09:50 <vanguard> This link is missing. I suppose some package deletetd it during the update.
Aug 07 10:10:38 <eekee> well it does still work, I think, although sometimes I think Debian's a world unto itself :) 
Aug 07 10:11:06 <koen>  /etc/X11/Xserver should lauch the correct server with the correct args
Aug 07 10:11:41 <eekee> Actually I'm surprsed it works, or is even looked for, because from XFree86 4 onwards, the server binary has been called XFree86 or Xorg no matter what the hardware is. Formerly, you had different binaries for different chipsets
Aug 07 10:11:46 <vanguard> Sadly it doesn't as you see.
Aug 07 10:12:43 <eekee> there shouldn't be any binaries under /etc on a modern system ;)
Aug 07 10:13:00 <vanguard> O.k., now, as we have found the reason, it is possible to find the responsible package.
Aug 07 10:14:17 <vanguard> I will now do a fresh install on my sd-card, then update and then see, what happens. 
Aug 07 10:14:49 <vanguard> This will last a little time, but I will feedback my efforts later.
Aug 07 10:15:37 <vanguard> Thanks for your help, it helped me a lot !!
Aug 07 10:15:48 <eekee> yw!
Aug 07 11:01:18 <readon> how to filter some packages out from DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS? i don't want avahi be compiled in my images
Aug 07 11:02:46 <hrw> readon: make own image?
Aug 07 11:27:43 <vanguard> Here we are again ! 
Aug 07 11:27:54 <vanguard> Success, X is running now. 
Aug 07 11:28:26 <vanguard> But I do not know why. I installed new, updates as normal, and everything is working.
Aug 07 11:29:18 <vanguard> Maybe some package went corrupt during installation, and updating did not repair things.
Aug 07 11:30:42 <vanguard> Any, just another little question: I cannot choose German language at the login-screen, although all locales are installed. I suppose, there is a package missing. Does someone know, which package is responsible for it ?
Aug 07 11:32:43 <koen> vanguard: you'd have to ask the gpe people
Aug 07 11:33:15 <vanguard> O.k. I will do. 
Aug 07 12:27:25 <vanguard> Me again. I discovered another bug. Can someone verify it ? The application "screen setup", where I have to touch the 4 crosses is buggy: the crosses are not visible.
Aug 07 12:29:44 * eekee wonders if that would be gpe too, but isnt' sure
Aug 07 12:49:30 <readon> hrw, yes based on angstrom
Aug 07 13:47:20 <archer> hello, my client was crashed, so i missed a notice. would you resend it?
Aug 07 13:49:21 <archer> i am readon
Aug 07 14:17:18 * xota saluda!
Aug 07 15:25:09 <noglitch> Hi Angstrom guys !
Aug 07 15:25:09 <noglitch> I'd like to add packages in angstrom produced image (demo purpose)
Aug 07 15:25:09 <noglitch> I wonder if there is a way to add them without creating a distribution entry (using ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL variable ?)
Aug 07 15:28:30 <koen> make a copy of the image recipe you want to base it on and add the packages you want into RDEPENDS
Aug 07 15:54:41 <noglitch> is it possible to also add "tasks" like gpe-task-pim or gpe-task-connectivity (it should behave like packages is'nt it ?)
Aug 07 16:10:47 <koen> it is
Aug 07 18:24:51 <eekee> I'm starting to reeeeally hate this display light bug. I just had to take the battery out, because it wouldnt' turn on after poking the reset switch 
Aug 08 00:48:56 <senuxis> hello
Aug 08 00:49:20 <senuxis> is there a working angstrom version for nokia n800?
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