**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:59 2007 Sep 18 08:09:14 koen: I managed to build a 2008.1 image finally, but with regressed kdrive :-D Sep 18 08:09:38 cool Sep 18 08:09:58 although the versions in 7.2 arent right either :-) Sep 18 08:10:01 hows' epiphany? Sep 18 08:10:19 koen: my machine only fiished building overight, now I need to build epiphany Sep 18 08:10:57 * XorA also needs to write a scipt to sync feeds Sep 18 08:20:48 XorA: don't be affraid to commit patches to make X less broken :) Sep 18 08:30:29 koen: libglade doesnt like new gtk+ glib :-( Sep 18 08:30:46 koen: the problem is I lack big iron to do those constant recompiles ;-) Sep 18 08:53:34 is there any bit of software epiphany doesnt use? Sep 18 08:55:42 mozilla :) Sep 18 09:02:21 "I do not, however, feel it’s necessary to leave a 15-20% gratuity per purchase. That’s crazy. I just leave a couple of coins. If a cup of java at Starbucks costs $1.73 I’ll drop the change from a $2 bill into the barista’s tip jar." Sep 18 09:02:27 someone failed at math in school Sep 18 09:02:59 20% tips, WTF Sep 18 09:03:02 thats insane Sep 18 09:05:28 funny how you can pay less than minimum wage legally in the US Sep 18 09:05:36 in .nl it really is "minumum wage" Sep 18 09:05:57 koen: it is in UK as well Sep 18 09:06:30 capitalist pig ! Sep 18 09:06:36 pigs even Sep 18 09:06:51 ade|desk: thats me :-D Sep 18 09:07:30 at ELC we tipped 0% a lot Sep 18 09:07:39 why the fuck does some Dutch person want to sell me a list of American doctors, I dont get this spam :-( Sep 18 09:07:49 the bar personnel was incompetent and rude Sep 18 09:08:08 koen: good, you work same as me, no service, no tips Sep 18 09:08:27 XorA: we dutch people already sold all our hills to scotland, so we are out of goods ;) Sep 18 09:08:35 lol Sep 18 09:08:55 koen: heh heh, and nice hills they are too, but you can come live in them again when the sea rises Sep 18 09:09:43 koen: but please bring some beer factories Sep 18 09:09:59 you'd want belgian beer factories Sep 18 09:10:10 koen: Im sure you can do a quick raid Sep 18 09:10:21 * koen wonders why the dutch gave a way northern belgium on the 1830s Sep 18 09:10:45 like the Belgians would ever notice Sep 18 09:10:50 and why is it devoit christians feel the need to get quite so drunk? Sep 18 09:11:22 because they give all their money to the church and the church gives them wine in return Sep 18 09:11:36 so they can get closer to god down the great white telephone ? Sep 18 09:12:31 I think monks are actually crafty old buggers, good beer and no nagging Sep 18 09:14:24 yeah but no how's yer father :( Sep 18 09:14:26 hello Sep 18 09:15:02 ade|desk: thats why its suck good beer :-D Sep 18 09:39:24 ~lart uicmoc4 Sep 18 10:38:07 NOTE: package epiphany-2.19.6-r1: task do_compile: started Sep 18 10:41:15 do we have ocaml in oe ? Sep 18 10:51:04 NOTE: package epiphany-2.19.6: completed Sep 18 10:53:34 oooh Sep 18 10:53:40 and does it work Sep 18 10:56:05 ade|desk: no idea Sep 18 10:56:27 hi all Sep 18 10:56:51 Does anyone know how to get the fn key working on a 3100? Sep 18 10:57:09 spitz c3100 zaurus Sep 18 10:57:32 load the keymap ? Sep 18 10:58:16 ade|desk: how do you do that? Sep 18 10:58:57 use the latest image where that bug was fixed Sep 18 11:00:13 I'm using 20070828 Sep 18 11:01:09 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20070917/ Sep 18 11:01:50 yep just found it ok thanks I'll give that a shot Sep 18 11:01:56 ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade should have the same effect Sep 18 11:02:23 koen: nope, /dev/ is empty in root before udev starts, there is no way to fix that from upgrade Sep 18 11:02:39 there is :) Sep 18 11:02:46 mount --bind ; mknod Sep 18 11:02:53 in some postinst Sep 18 11:03:09 koen: we woould have to actually package basic /dev Sep 18 11:03:18 koen: project for you :-D Sep 18 11:03:23 * koen coughs Sep 18 11:26:03 I did upgrade, keyboard works but no wireless now sigh Sep 18 11:28:45 how do I rebuild my devices, I've got no sound either Sep 18 11:28:46 koen: check scap Sep 18 11:36:55 "powered by gecko" Sep 18 11:44:51 XorA: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/BastianNocera Sep 18 11:47:41 koen: cool Sep 18 11:48:53 koen: maybe we should send him an OE driven device with internal bluetooth Sep 18 12:06:58 damnation Sep 18 12:07:07 both my h2200 batteries are bulging Sep 18 12:07:17 going to explode? Sep 18 12:07:26 probably Sep 18 12:09:19 * koen heads over to pdashop.nl Sep 18 12:11:24 XorA: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/1396598825/ Sep 18 12:12:05 heya Sep 18 12:12:22 how fast does that have to go to break time barrier :-) Sep 18 12:49:48 What's the storing with starling? It still comes up with Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for starling: Sep 18 12:49:48 gst-plugins gst-plugin-audio gst-plugin-audiofile Sep 18 13:45:10 heh Sep 18 13:45:23 openmoko users trying to use EABI binaries on an OABI system Sep 18 13:50:01 urg Sep 18 13:50:08 why are the running OABI? Sep 18 13:50:20 hm Sep 18 13:50:59 how do i build osb-nr* packages newer that osb-nr*_20070816.bb? Sep 18 14:18:00 any ideas? Sep 18 14:18:44 Darth_Wader: rename that file Sep 18 14:18:58 hm? Sep 18 14:19:19 *_20070816->other? Sep 18 14:19:19 mv osb-*20070816.bb osb-*20071225.bb Sep 18 14:19:30 oh Sep 18 14:19:59 or build osb-nrcore_svn.bb Sep 18 14:20:12 _svn says "no providers" Sep 18 14:21:01 use bitbake -b Sep 18 14:21:13 or set the ${PN} corect on command line Sep 18 14:21:45 export PN=blabla? Sep 18 14:23:08 Darth_Wader: read the manual Sep 18 14:23:16 which one? Sep 18 14:26:40 dunno, but its bitbake osb-*-0.5.2+snvrXXXX or something like that Sep 18 14:26:52 replace * and XXXX appropriately Sep 18 14:27:28 hm Sep 18 14:29:26 doesn`t work :/ Sep 18 15:16:56 hi there Sep 18 15:17:30 what are the differences between the new spitz images (20070917) ? Sep 18 15:18:49 probably some working stuff Sep 18 15:55:15 hi Sep 18 16:34:57 h, Sep 18 16:34:59 hm Sep 18 16:36:03 koen: can you explain me how to build that osb-*_svn stuff without editing .bb files? Sep 18 16:36:37 * Darth_Wader can`t get how one is supposed to override DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = -1 in .bb w/o touching recipes Sep 18 17:07:44 what https client should i use on spitz ? Sep 18 17:07:55 gpe-mini-browser seems to not manage ssl Sep 18 17:08:08 minimo seems pretty nice. Sep 18 17:08:17 dunno about ssl support. Sep 18 17:08:29 damn i've many bookmarks using ssl :/ Sep 18 17:08:57 firefox seems to be a bit buggy atm. Sep 18 17:09:01 and what imaps client should i use ? sylpheed seems ok, but it's amazing, i can't select which folders i want subscribe Sep 18 17:09:34 it's too big for my zaurus :( Sep 18 17:09:35 ive not actually tried using an imap client on my z atm. Sep 18 17:09:49 i tend to use mutt over the wire from my home machine anyway. Sep 18 17:11:25 has anyone managed to get usb-gadget file backed storage working? Sep 18 17:11:36 ive been struggling for a little while, but i cant seem to get it right. Sep 18 17:11:52 yes i did Sep 18 17:11:57 no file, but dev access Sep 18 17:12:10 so like the cardreader style? Sep 18 17:12:15 yes Sep 18 17:12:18 hmm Sep 18 17:12:25 but sharing harddrive partition insted Sep 18 17:12:33 try claws-mail Sep 18 17:12:39 you MUST umount it before, or it could be very dangerous Sep 18 17:12:39 we patch that for smaller screens Sep 18 17:12:44 tks koen Sep 18 17:12:45 well, ive got a partition, /media/hdd, Sep 18 17:12:54 koen u asked to try new spitz image ? Sep 18 17:13:07 and i tried adding storage as the default in /etc/defaults/usb-gadget, Sep 18 17:13:13 then i played with the gpe usb applet, Sep 18 17:13:16 but no joy so far. Sep 18 17:13:24 ABC|dOC: yes, since I don't have a spitz myself Sep 18 17:13:48 koen i did Sep 18 17:13:54 i installed without any problem Sep 18 17:14:10 (my filesystems crashed tonight, so i can test the new image) Sep 18 17:14:20 so nothing seems to be fucked up Sep 18 17:14:29 but i'm not very advanced user Sep 18 17:16:34 what should i test to confirm it's OK ? Sep 18 17:16:56 hmm i tried modprobe g_file_storage file=/media/hdd and it complains that is a directory, /dev/hda3 seems to work better, but still no luck when i plug it into my laptop / pc. Sep 18 17:17:09 hmm Sep 18 17:17:15 i did it with oz distro Sep 18 17:17:20 i can test now if u want Sep 18 17:17:33 no, dont go to any trouble. Sep 18 17:17:45 don't mind Sep 18 17:17:49 just give me a heads up if you can remember any stuff i should be doing that im not! Sep 18 17:17:56 i've a dedicated partition to stupid trials Sep 18 17:18:10 afaik g_file_storage needs a block device or loop file (which is a block device) Sep 18 17:18:40 there was talk about it talking a mounted filesystem and faking a blockdevice on top, but I don't know if that's in the kernel yet Sep 18 17:18:47 s/talking/taking/ Sep 18 17:19:09 modprobe g_file_storage file=/dev/hda3 Sep 18 17:19:09 FATAL: Error inserting g_file_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.22/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_file_storage.ko): Device or resource busy Sep 18 17:19:18 what should it be ? Sep 18 17:19:24 dev/hda3 is not mounted Sep 18 17:19:46 hmmm Sep 18 17:19:50 my part of that works. Sep 18 17:19:57 but /dev/hda3 /is/ mounted. Sep 18 17:19:59 :P Sep 18 17:20:08 oh Sep 18 17:20:10 quiet dangerous Sep 18 17:20:26 is g_ether still loaded? Sep 18 17:20:41 u're right Sep 18 17:21:14 usb 3-9: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6 Sep 18 17:21:14 usb 3-9: device descriptor read/64, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:14 usb 3-9: device descriptor read/64, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:14 usb 3-9: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 Sep 18 17:21:14 usb 3-9: device descriptor read/64, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:16 usb 3-9: device descriptor read/64, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:18 usb 3-9: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8 Sep 18 17:21:21 usb 3-9: device not accepting address 8, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:23 usb 3-9: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9 Sep 18 17:21:26 usb 3-9: device not accepting address 9, error -62 Sep 18 17:21:28 thats my problem right there, Sep 18 17:21:31 on the "client" end. Sep 18 17:21:44 ah Sep 18 17:21:49 i've nicer logs :p Sep 18 17:22:06 ah yeah i remember Sep 18 17:22:11 maybe i need to unmount! Sep 18 17:22:13 ;) Sep 18 17:22:14 i can't mount it from my host pc Sep 18 17:22:26 <6>g_file_storage gadget: full speed config #1 Sep 18 17:22:26 <3>pxa2xx-udc pxa2xx-udc: DMA Bus Error Sep 18 17:22:26 <6>udc: USB reset Sep 18 17:23:45 thats on the z side right? Sep 18 17:23:55 yes Sep 18 17:23:59 those logs are on Z side Sep 18 17:24:04 i have nicer stuff on my z side, talking about assigning luns and stuff, Sep 18 17:24:10 but still nothing on the pc side. Sep 18 17:24:13 on pc host its : usb 2-1: reset full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3 Sep 18 17:24:42 HRH_H_Crab: you don't have an intel pxa270 cpu, right? Sep 18 17:25:21 i think i have Sep 18 17:25:27 its a terrier i think Sep 18 17:25:35 c3200 Sep 18 17:25:56 i've sl-c3200 too Sep 18 17:26:07 anyway, this is no biggie. the only time i have seen this work is with the sharp rom, and its not important enough for me to go back to that! ;) Sep 18 17:26:19 just wondered if it was working in angstrom since i never got it to play in oz. Sep 18 17:26:41 the developers just use g_ether with scp or samba on top Sep 18 17:27:01 but with windows hosts, it's easy to use ? Sep 18 17:27:04 well, its natural that that should be the focus. Sep 18 17:27:13 as its the only way many people can network their z. Sep 18 17:27:31 but having a working usb-gadget storage would be awesome one day. Sep 18 17:28:16 I'm not saying it isn't nice :) Sep 18 17:28:21 no Sep 18 17:28:27 but i agree, its no priority. Sep 18 17:28:32 HRH_H_Crab: i never use usb networking :) only BT or wifi CF cards Sep 18 17:28:38 yep Sep 18 17:28:43 same here, ive never tried it. Sep 18 17:28:50 i always use wifi at home, Sep 18 17:28:54 and bt on the bus via pand. Sep 18 17:29:06 pand rocks Sep 18 17:29:19 idd Sep 18 17:29:25 i was so close to going back to oz, Sep 18 17:29:47 because at first i couldnt figure out how to get it working under angstrom as gpe-bluetooth seems a bit b0rked. Sep 18 17:29:56 but i spent a fairly intense hour this w/end, Sep 18 17:30:07 learning more about bluetooth on linux than was really healthy, Sep 18 17:30:27 and i can now irc on public transport! \o/ Sep 18 17:30:50 wht is pand ? Sep 18 17:30:52 I love bluez-gnoome Sep 18 17:30:55 -o Sep 18 17:31:20 I wish the gpe-bluetooth functionality would get merged into bluez-gnome Sep 18 17:31:26 ABC|dOC: its a small program that creates a personal network between two devices, Sep 18 17:31:36 in this case, my z and my sony ericsson. Sep 18 17:31:45 Personal Area Network Sep 18 17:32:01 the phone effectively acts as a modem, and the z gets an ip address bound to bnep0. Sep 18 17:32:01 bluetooth networking without needing shit like pppd Sep 18 17:32:42 koen: do you use the encryption? Sep 18 17:32:57 no Sep 18 17:33:13 all 'sensitive' data goes over ssl/tls anyway Sep 18 17:33:31 and for me its 99% ssh traffic anyway. Sep 18 17:33:43 koen : i use "shit pppd" and it's working very well Sep 18 17:33:44 unless i want to quickly check the bbc news, or football results! Sep 18 17:33:59 where r u from ? Sep 18 17:34:12 im in london Sep 18 17:34:36 ok Sep 18 17:34:58 ABC|dOC: pppd is shit if you can avoid it Sep 18 17:36:36 koen what's wrong with pppd ? Sep 18 17:36:52 using it for professional laptops / pdas without any problem Sep 18 17:37:04 the devices on both end of the link can speak IP to eachother without problems Sep 18 17:37:14 why run another protocol over that link? Sep 18 17:37:21 hmmm Sep 18 17:37:26 if you say so :) Sep 18 17:37:31 i'll see that tomorrow at work Sep 18 17:37:37 it just wasts bandwidth and power Sep 18 17:38:09 so what software to connect with bluetooth on cell phone ? Sep 18 17:40:17 and what gui for aircrack suite ? (or another soft useable on z) Sep 18 17:41:30 screen is too small to use airodump Sep 18 17:43:00 gtg Sep 18 17:43:05 c u later Sep 18 17:49:58 laters Sep 18 18:32:31 assuming I've got my ~ dir on a different partition, could I reinstall an updated version of angstrom on the / of my 3200? Sep 18 18:33:36 i'm back ;) Sep 18 18:33:45 how should i install rfcomm on spitz ? Sep 18 18:34:10 summatusmentis: yes i did it today Sep 18 18:34:24 summatusmentis: installer will only overwrite hda1 part Sep 18 18:36:14 koen : still there ? Sep 18 18:40:43 how should i install rfcomm on spitz ? Sep 18 18:40:48 please help me :) Sep 18 18:41:06 on OZ and older angstrom releases, i had rfcomm bin Sep 18 18:41:11 not anymore Sep 18 20:58:14 hi all Sep 18 20:58:18 how to have rfcomm bin on spitz ? Sep 18 21:00:08 anyone here ? Sep 18 21:03:42 hi Sep 18 21:11:17 hi Sep 18 21:11:21 how to have rfcomm bin on spitz ? Sep 18 21:13:43 bluez-utils-compat I think Sep 18 21:56:35 yes i found tks ;) Sep 18 21:57:02 hmm i've troubles in using a CF bluetooth card (Nokia DTL-4), it worked with OZ but seems to not work with angstrom Sep 18 21:57:08 anything i could install/configure ? Sep 18 21:57:44 i did what is there (problem was before trying this) : http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Bluetooth_Card_Support Sep 18 22:00:00 any idea XorA ? Sep 18 22:01:14 http://pastebin.ca/702513 anyone had such issues? Sep 18 22:02:18 Darth_Wader: 2008.1? Sep 18 22:02:23 yup Sep 18 22:02:31 ABC|dOC: no, but hrw|honeymoon always curses that card Sep 18 22:02:42 Darth_Wader: yeah, X it totally screwed in that Sep 18 22:02:52 that sux Sep 18 22:03:14 Darth_Wader: temp fix, change angstrom-2008.1.conf to include 7.2 version of X Sep 18 22:03:38 Darth_Wader: that wont get you all the way through, you still have to build a couple of version by hand Sep 18 22:04:12 like what? Sep 18 22:04:55 cant remever now Sep 18 22:04:59 xfdga was one thing Sep 18 22:05:17 is it something zaurus-specific? Sep 18 22:08:04 Darth_Wader: no Sep 18 22:14:26 hrw is gone on honeymoon ? Sep 18 22:14:58 ABC|dOC: read planet.linuxtogo.org then you find out what we all upto Sep 18 22:15:21 ok tks Sep 18 22:17:20 good n8 all Sep 19 00:28:43 hello all Sep 19 00:29:25 hopefully an easy question for you all: how can I install packages to my SD card? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:57 2007