**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:57 2007
Sep 19 07:47:17 <ABC|dOC> hi there
Sep 19 08:03:53 <ABC|dOC> hi, anyone here ?
Sep 19 08:07:15 <bluelightning> ABC|dOC: lots of people :)
Sep 19 08:07:23 <HRH_H_Crab> morning ABC|dOC 
Sep 19 08:07:24 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Sep 19 08:08:17 <koen> they even invented the '/who' for that
Sep 19 08:10:15 <ABC|dOC> hi HRH_H_Crab ;)
Sep 19 08:10:24 <ABC|dOC> hi all
Sep 19 08:10:46 <ABC|dOC> XorA: you told me to take a look on http://planet.linuxtogo.org/ for my bluetooth problems, right ?
Sep 19 08:11:00 <XorA> ABC|dOC: no, to see what devs are upto
Sep 19 08:11:15 <Darth_Wader> hi XorA 
Sep 19 08:11:18 <XorA> hey Darth_Wader 
Sep 19 08:11:30 <Darth_Wader> xorg 7.2 produced exactly the same error :/
Sep 19 08:12:06 <Darth_Wader> and it smells like it`s gcc-related, not xorg itself
Sep 19 08:14:01 <ABC|dOC> XorA:  ah ok, but i think i'm not strong enough to understand all:)
Sep 19 08:14:24 * koen yarrrrrrs
Sep 19 08:14:36 <XorA> ABC|dOC: you asked about hrw|honeymoon so I pointed you to where our blogs are
Sep 19 08:33:26 <ABC|dOC> ok :)
Sep 19 08:33:43 <ABC|dOC> so what about nokia dtl-4 bluetooth CF card on angstrom ?
Sep 19 08:35:03 <XorA> ABC|dOC: your on your own
Sep 19 09:03:24 <ABC|dOC> XorA:  ? what do u mean ? :)
Sep 19 09:04:54 <XorA> ABC|dOC: no-one here has that card, we have no idea how it works
Sep 19 09:09:09 <ABC|dOC> :(
Sep 19 09:09:23 <ABC|dOC> it was working on OpenZaurus, maybe i could find docs about it
Sep 19 09:10:30 <XorA> all I know is hrw|honeymoon comments about that card are R rated and not fit for public consumption
Sep 19 09:12:05 <ABC|dOC> R rated ? what does it means ?
Sep 19 09:14:49 <XorA> ABC|dOC: those films they wont let children watch
Sep 19 09:32:16 <ABC|dOC> &&&
Sep 19 13:48:49 <vanguard> Hi all
Sep 19 13:49:15 <vanguard> Is someone here, who is responsible for "linphone" ?
Sep 19 13:50:31 <vanguard> Or someone, whocan tell me, why the kerne-module "g_ether" cannot be loaded ?
Sep 19 13:50:49 <vanguard> Otherwise I would write a bugreport.....
Sep 19 13:54:17 <vanguard> Dammed, why is it so difficult to add a new bug ?
Sep 19 13:55:07 <ABC|dOC> vanguard: what probleme with g_ether ?
Sep 19 13:55:28 <vanguard> ABC|dOC: g_ether cannot be loaded. 
Sep 19 13:56:01 <ABC|dOC> i understood ;) but what error/message you have or anything else ?
Sep 19 13:56:47 <ade|desk> have you got host modules installed ?
Sep 19 13:57:58 <ABC|dOC> vanguard: give any info to help us to help you :p
Sep 19 13:58:01 <vanguard> I have.,
Sep 19 13:58:20 <vanguard> Just a moment please, I ve got telephone.....
Sep 19 14:00:43 <vanguard> back
Sep 19 14:01:02 <vanguard> Sorry for the waiting.
Sep 19 14:01:17 <vanguard> The error-message says: Device or resource busy.
Sep 19 14:01:27 <vanguard> Which resource is ,meant ?
Sep 19 14:01:59 <vanguard> Maybe I have to change something.
Sep 19 14:03:03 <ABC|dOC> vanguard: lsmod |grep g_  ; lsmod |grep usb
Sep 19 14:03:06 <ABC|dOC> plzz gimme the returns
Sep 19 14:04:30 <vanguard> g_file_storage
Sep 19 14:04:53 <vanguard> pxa27x_udc g_file_storage
Sep 19 14:05:04 <vanguard> usbcore ohci_hcd
Sep 19 14:05:19 <vanguard> (excluding the size)
Sep 19 14:07:21 <vanguard> I suppose, this module is beeing loaded, if I switch to "memory-medium" at the gpe-usb-configuration.
Sep 19 14:07:39 <vanguard> I saw this, when I started "gpe-conf usb" in a shell.
Sep 19 14:09:27 <vanguard> Yan you tell me meanwhile, how to add a NEW bug into bugreport ? I found no way, to add  NEW one. Clicking "NEW" is pointing me to some existing bugreport.
Sep 19 14:09:34 <vanguard> What am I doing wrong ?
Sep 19 14:13:03 <vanguard> koen: You can remove bug 2617 opened by me. The sound is working now, thanks to the help of dcordes.
Sep 19 14:14:23 <ABC|dOC> hey that's it
Sep 19 14:14:28 <ABC|dOC> remove g_file_storage
Sep 19 14:14:34 <ABC|dOC> and maybe usbcore ohci_hcd
Sep 19 14:16:46 <vanguard> usbcore and ohci_hcd is needed, as I use it for dialup with a cellphone. I will try first with g_file_storage
Sep 19 14:18:05 <webmind> woot :)
Sep 19 14:18:16 <vanguard> Hmm, now it says: g_ether does not exist in /proc/modules
Sep 19 14:18:32 <vanguard> Maybe it has to be started at boot ?
Sep 19 14:19:36 <ade|desk> dont think so
Sep 19 14:20:04 <vanguard> ABC|dOC: Sorry, even, if I unload all of these modules, g_ether will not load.
Sep 19 14:21:58 <ade|desk> load using insmod or modprobe ?
Sep 19 14:22:41 <vanguard> ade|desk: This is what I did. Errormessage: Device or resource busy.
Sep 19 14:23:34 <vanguard> O.k., I could load g-ethger now
Sep 19 14:24:02 <ade|desk> i think something is lost in translation 
Sep 19 14:26:06 <ABC|dOC> vanguard: what did u make between [16:20] <vanguard> ade|desk: This is what I did. Errormessage: Device or resource busy. & [16:21] <vanguard> O.k., I could load g-ethger now ?
Sep 19 14:26:46 <vanguard> I first removed g_file_storage
Sep 19 14:27:24 <vanguard> Then I removed ohci-hcd, then usbcore (ohci-hcd must have been removed first)
Sep 19 14:27:39 <ABC|dOC> ok
Sep 19 14:27:50 <vanguard> I did this twice, although I checked with lsmod, they were unloaded.
Sep 19 14:28:03 <vanguard> (I heard rmmod must be executed twice)
Sep 19 14:28:06 <ABC|dOC> ok ;)
Sep 19 14:29:03 <vanguard> After g_ether was loaded, I tried to load usbcore, g_file_storage and ohci-hcd again. 
Sep 19 14:29:31 <vanguard> All were loaded, but g_ether was automatically unloaded.
Sep 19 14:30:25 <vanguard> I thought, maybe some modules must be loaded before the others, but no success.
Sep 19 14:32:40 <vanguard> O.k., I can verify: The module g_file_storage is the reason, why g_ether is unloaded.
Sep 19 14:32:56 <vanguard> Both modules cannot run together.
Sep 19 14:34:30 <ABC|dOC> i had same bullshits with bluetooth
Sep 19 14:35:24 <vanguard> I will try something, pse wait....
Sep 19 14:36:46 <ABC|dOC> anyone got an idea for using Nokia DTL-4 bluetooth CF card
Sep 19 14:39:21 <vanguard> No chance. I moved g_file_storage out of the kernel-tree to inhibit it to load. 
Sep 19 14:39:57 <vanguard> But I cannot get access to the Z as a storage.
Sep 19 14:42:03 <vanguard> Maybe I am thinking wrong, the delivered usb-cable by Sharp should work, shouldn`t it ???
Sep 19 14:42:29 <vanguard> I do not need a special host cable, do I ?
Sep 19 14:47:10 <vanguard> If someone is building "linphone": In the package the binary is missing.  
Sep 19 14:47:47 <vanguard> But I can report, the "linphone-hh"-package for IPAQ is running on Zaurus.
Sep 19 14:52:40 <vanguard> Does anyone know, if the kernel (and only the kernel) is compatible to the kernel in akita ?
Sep 19 14:53:47 <vanguard> sry, wrong queszton:
Sep 19 14:54:11 <vanguard> Does anyone know, if the kernel (and only the kernel) in "spitz" is compatible to the kernel in "akita" ?
Sep 19 14:54:22 <koen> it isn't
Sep 19 14:55:01 <vanguard> I asked, because sometimes I get kernel-messages, which are pointing to spitz.
Sep 19 14:56:08 <vanguard> koen: Did you rad my message related to the bug 2617 ?
Sep 19 14:56:15 <vanguard> read
Sep 19 14:56:19 <koen> I did
Sep 19 14:56:22 <vanguard> O.k
Sep 19 14:56:24 <vanguard> :)
Sep 19 14:56:27 <koen> and I wondered why you don't close it yourself :)
Sep 19 14:57:20 <vanguard> Yes, I could do that, but I thought, the maintainer should do it (as I know it in Debian)
Sep 19 14:57:33 <vanguard> But I would be pleased to close it.
Sep 19 14:57:54 <XorA> we're not as anal as debian, please close your own bugs :-)
Sep 19 15:00:13 <vanguard> O.k., just doing it :)
Sep 19 15:00:35 <XorA> welcome to the project now :-D
Sep 19 15:05:44 <vanguard> XorA: Thank you ! Well, I am already a little while at the project, although I cannot code.
Sep 19 15:06:02 * koen can't code as well
Sep 19 15:06:05 <vanguard> XorA: Mostly I try to act as a "beta-tester".
Sep 19 15:06:16 <vanguard> koen: You can`t ???
Sep 19 15:06:19 <XorA> koen: or make .bb files first time round :-)
Sep 19 15:06:20 <koen> nope
Sep 19 15:06:27 <vanguard> Ups !+
Sep 19 15:07:05 <koen> XorA: everything that has DEPENDS = poppler and builds has been rebuilt and is in the armv5 feed now
Sep 19 15:07:27 <XorA> koen: cool, I was going to do it, but my ADSL router seems to have dissapeared from the net
Sep 19 15:07:57 * XorA will have to bitch to ISP support tomorrow
Sep 19 15:08:20 <vanguard> XorA: akite needs a new kernel.
Sep 19 15:08:32 <XorA> vanguard: akita needs a maintainer
Sep 19 15:08:49 <vanguard> XorA: Yes, I know.
Sep 19 15:09:25 <vanguard> XorA: Otherwise you should remove all 2.6.22-kernel-modules.
Sep 19 15:09:46 <XorA> vanguard: it would be better to find out what is wrong with 2.6.22 first
Sep 19 15:09:52 <vanguard> An update would break the whole systwm.
Sep 19 15:09:59 <XorA> vanguard: as 2.6.23 is round the corner and you dont want to go backwards
Sep 19 15:10:21 <vanguard> XorA: I am still at 2.6.21.
Sep 19 15:10:39 <vanguard> Had to remove all 2.6.22-stuff manually. What a mess.
Sep 19 15:10:53 <XorA> vanguard: but we wont support 2.6.21 at all, we always move forward
Sep 19 15:11:10 <vanguard> XorA: Yes, yes, no problem, I will wait.
Sep 19 15:11:20 <XorA> vanguard: so if someone doesnt start working out why akita is buggered and submitting patches soon akita will end up in the pile with collie, poodle, tosa
Sep 19 15:11:46 <XorA> that would be a pity
Sep 19 15:11:46 <koen> is akita buggered or altboot?
Sep 19 15:12:01 <koen> it sounds very much like someone made the sd driver modular
Sep 19 15:12:03 <vanguard> XorA: Are there so few akitas in the world ?
Sep 19 15:12:06 <XorA> koen: akita has other problems, pxafb overlays kill screen as do some Wifi cards
Sep 19 15:12:23 <vanguard> koen: akita is buggered.
Sep 19 15:13:36 <vanguard> BTW: Did someone discover the strange thing, the Z switches on randomly, although it has been surely switched off ?
Sep 19 15:13:51 <XorA> vanguard: never seen that
Sep 19 15:14:17 <vanguard> XorA: This happens sometimes. But I cannot find out when. 
Sep 19 15:14:51 <vanguard> XorA: I switched it off, put it into my bag and when I open the clamshell, it is switched on.
Sep 19 15:15:40 <vanguard> XorA: And surely no one pressed the "on" key, or the white keys off the keyboard.
Sep 19 15:16:28 <vanguard> XorA: You know, you can switch the SL-C1000 with to "on" with these keys...
Sep 19 15:18:47 <vanguard> Maybe 2.6.23 will fix this.
Sep 19 15:22:41 <XorA> vanguard: my spitz is carried around in my rucksack all the time
Sep 19 15:24:20 <ade|desk> my akita is with me in my rucksack every day, and I use it every day, without any problems
Sep 19 15:25:33 <ade|desk> i have it using pimlico, abiword, gnumeric, rdesktop over wifi (linksys CF12) fine 
Sep 19 15:25:38 <ade|desk> sound works 
Sep 19 15:26:18 <ade|desk> display works, charging is fine, apm if fine, touch screen ok , keyboard map is fine for what i need
Sep 19 15:26:25 <ade|desk> what is everyone one about ?
Sep 19 15:26:28 <vanguard> ade|desk: Are you booting from flash or from sd-card ?
Sep 19 15:26:37 <ade|desk> flash
Sep 19 15:26:53 <ade|desk> why boot from sd, sd for me is removable storage
Sep 19 15:27:07 <XorA> ade|desk: do you build OE stuff yourself?
Sep 19 15:27:17 <vanguard> ade|desk: Yes, and I am booting from sd, as Ihave about 400MB applications on it.
Sep 19 15:28:14 <ade|desk> vanguard : ever thought about getting a laptop ?
Sep 19 15:28:54 <vanguard> ade|desk: I have a laptop, too, but my Z is just a laptop in the pocket.
Sep 19 15:29:02 <ade|desk> XorA: I do indeed build for arm5te some times and then nick from angstrom feeds when i am in a hurry
Sep 19 15:29:35 <XorA> ade|desk: maybe you could try enabling overlay in defconfig and running the iwmmxt mplayer and see if you get white screen of death
Sep 19 15:29:44 <ade|desk> what bootldr do people use on their hx4700 ?
Sep 19 15:29:45 <XorA> ade|desk: -vo pxa is nice for movies if it works
Sep 19 15:30:25 <vanguard> XorA: Is there a way, to switch resolution of X ?
Sep 19 15:30:37 <XorA> vanguard: no
Sep 19 15:30:50 <ade|desk> will try that tomorrow then XorA as i am rebuilding from scratch to see if fortran is working 
Sep 19 15:31:08 <XorA> ade|desk: cool, just whenever, it works fine on spitz so Im happu
Sep 19 15:32:41 <XorA|gone> time for WFRP
Sep 19 15:32:52 <vanguard> WFRP ???
Sep 19 15:33:11 <vanguard> What Fuck Rest Peace ?
Sep 19 15:33:19 <XorA|gone> google it
Sep 19 15:33:23 <vanguard> :))
Sep 19 15:33:24 <XorA|gone> gone
Sep 19 15:33:56 <vanguard> .......gamoing.....
Sep 19 15:34:09 <Crofton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Fantasy_Roleplay
Sep 19 15:34:38 <vanguard> Crofton: Yes, just seen. :)) Thanks !
Sep 19 15:35:29 <vanguard> Is there a way, to unpack an "zImage"-file ? 
Sep 19 15:35:44 <vanguard> Maybe to rename it or mount it loop.
Sep 19 16:26:11 <vanguard> koen: Your guess was right ! Someone built the latest akita kernel without built-in sd-module ! 
Sep 19 16:26:33 <vanguard> I think, this could be easily corrected.
Sep 19 17:19:36 <webmind> anyone here with angstrom on a tosa ?
Sep 19 17:20:04 <webmind> I've just installed Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test on my tosa and uhm.. it doesn't start X11
Sep 19 17:20:11 <webmind> and I've got no wireless device
Sep 19 17:20:15 <webmind> lsusb is also empty
Sep 19 17:34:19 <ABC|dOC> hi all
Sep 19 17:34:46 <ABC|dOC> how to manage scripts to be launched on CF card insertion/ejection ? (on spitz with latest angstrom)
Sep 19 18:42:22 <illhaes> hello @ all
Sep 19 18:48:31 <illhaes> ph5: I installed the angström-distribution succesfully. It is booting after editing the default.conf , but stopes loading, when the grey progress arrives the end. (short before). Do you have any idea, why this is happening?
Sep 19 18:49:34 <pH5> illhaes: no. try booting with console=tty0 and psplash=false command line params and check the console output on the screen
Sep 19 18:55:10 <illhaes> ph5: the psplash=false has to be in the defaul.conf, hasn't it
Sep 19 18:55:13 <illhaes> ?
Sep 19 18:57:01 <pH5> illhaes: for haret yes, in the CMDLINE variable of default.txt
Sep 19 18:57:25 <illhaes> ph5: ill try it at friday, because currently i stay in a village and have to use WindoofXP ;(
Sep 19 19:23:28 <fernando__> Hello there
Sep 19 19:23:46 <fernando__> Let me ask you a question
Sep 19 19:24:12 <fernando__> Is it possible to launch QEMU with an Angstom distro?
Sep 19 19:25:20 <vanguard> Hmm, there is an qemu.ipk somewhere.........
Sep 19 19:26:41 <fernando__> I mean... I've downloaded qemuarm Angstrom package
Sep 19 19:26:58 <fernando__> but it's a JFFS2 image
Sep 19 19:27:03 <fernando__> or a tar.gz one
Sep 19 19:27:15 <fernando__> and I don't know how to launch them on QEMU
Sep 19 19:29:13 <vanguard> Hmm,. launching just like on normal Linux. Commandline ?
Sep 19 19:29:32 <fernando__> mmm, don't know
Sep 19 19:29:43 <fernando__> I've used the following cmd:
Sep 19 19:30:23 <fernando__> qemu-system-arm -kernel ZImage.integrator -initrd Angstrom.jffs2
Sep 19 19:30:43 <fernando__> qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel ZImage.integrator -initrd Angstrom.jffs2
Sep 19 19:30:49 <fernando__> I forgot machine arg
Sep 19 19:32:08 <vanguard> Last option should be the initrd-file itself.
Sep 19 19:32:27 <vanguard> qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel ZImage.integrator Angstrom.jffs2
Sep 19 19:32:27 <fernando__> can you explain it a little more?
Sep 19 19:32:43 <fernando__> ah!
Sep 19 19:32:54 <fernando__> but when I run this line
Sep 19 19:33:07 <vanguard> You are right, I am wriong.
Sep 19 19:33:11 <fernando__> it fails to load rootfs
Sep 19 19:33:41 <vanguard> And must it not be zImage ?
Sep 19 19:33:51 <vanguard> You wrote ZImage
Sep 19 19:34:56 <fernando__> mmm, I just donwloaded them from Angstrom web site
Sep 19 19:36:29 <vanguard> Do you have a normal linux system available ?
Sep 19 19:36:35 <fernando__> yes
Sep 19 19:37:14 <vanguard> I looked into the manual of qemu, there is a lot of information.
Sep 19 19:37:24 <vanguard> Maybe this will help you. 
Sep 19 19:37:56 <vanguard> Maybe you can test the syntax on this computer, and then try on the Z.
Sep 19 19:38:19 <fernando__> I will
Sep 19 19:38:19 <vanguard> IMO it shoul be 
Sep 19 19:38:52 <vanguard> qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel zImage -initrd initrd.bin
Sep 19 19:40:38 <fernando__> and initrd.bin from where?
Sep 19 19:41:17 <vanguard> initrd.bin is in the files names Angstrom******bla.tgz
Sep 19 19:41:49 <vanguard> If you unpack it, there are three files: initrd.bin, zImage and updater.sh
Sep 19 19:41:50 <fernando__> I've tried that
Sep 19 19:42:09 <fernando__> mmm, don't remember that
Sep 19 19:42:21 <fernando__> I thinks it was a tar.gz
Sep 19 19:42:39 <fernando__> think :-)
Sep 19 19:42:57 <vanguard> initrd.bin and zImage is clear, updater.sh is only needed, when you flash the Zaurii.
Sep 19 19:43:00 <fernando__> with a lot of files
Sep 19 19:43:14 <fernando__> let me see at Angstrom files repo
Sep 19 19:43:27 <vanguard> Did you unpack it with MS-Windows ?
Sep 19 19:44:17 <fernando__> no, with Linux
Sep 19 19:44:42 <vanguard> O.k., sometimes Windows seems to unpack all ! Crappy Windows....
Sep 19 19:45:20 <fernando__> :-D
Sep 19 19:45:46 <vanguard> Anyway, I suppose, you need those two files.
Sep 19 19:46:38 <fernando__> tar.gz file is a complete disk directory
Sep 19 19:46:47 <fernando__> bin, boot, dev, etc
Sep 19 19:48:33 <vanguard> No, this should be only 3 files, maybe your unpacker is umpacking too much ?
Sep 19 19:49:24 <vanguard> I was so lazy and upacked it with midgnight-commander. :)
Sep 19 19:51:26 <vanguard> I tested in the commandline: tar -xzvf Angstrom****bla.installkit.tgz did the trick.
Sep 19 19:56:13 <fernando__> I've downloaded console-image-qemuarm.tar.gz
Sep 19 19:56:26 <fernando__> from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/qemuarm/20070709/
Sep 19 19:57:45 <vanguard> I do not understand, why do you need an image ?
Sep 19 19:58:48 <fernando__> What should I need then?
Sep 19 19:59:46 <vanguard> Is there no package, called "qemu-bla.ipk" or similar ?
Sep 19 19:59:53 <fernando__> nop
Sep 19 20:00:15 <fernando__> I just have a zImage and a jffs2 rootfs
Sep 19 20:02:01 <vanguard> Yes, you are right, there is no package. Sry, in that case, I fear, I cannot help you. 
Sep 19 20:02:13 <fernando__> thanks a lot anyway
Sep 19 20:02:54 <vanguard> There might be the way, to build it yourself, but I do not know how. Building packages here are many better experts than me.
Sep 19 20:03:43 <fernando__> Tomorrow I will try to
Sep 19 20:04:08 <fernando__> Bye
Sep 19 20:04:29 <vanguard> Bye, good luck.
Sep 19 20:06:21 <fernando__> :-D
Sep 19 21:03:24 <DaedalusX> anyone around?
Sep 19 21:39:22 <mimecar_> hi
Sep 19 21:52:40 * DaedalusX yawns
Sep 19 21:52:54 <DaedalusX> mimecar_, alright... another question, but in the right channel now... :P
Sep 19 21:53:39 <DaedalusX> how do I get the packages that I install to my SD card to work properly? they're looking for libraries which were installed to the SD card
Sep 19 21:53:42 <DaedalusX> do I put it in my path?
Sep 19 21:56:11 <mimecar_> there's a option for ipkg
Sep 19 21:59:08 <DaedalusX> alright, I'll look for it
Sep 19 22:21:24 <nodens> hey ppl
Sep 19 22:22:10 <nodens> mhmm... was wondering, how good is the bluetooth support in angstrom theses days ?
Sep 19 22:22:25 <nodens> I tired to search for a 3G CF card
Sep 19 22:22:43 <nodens> BT + 3G phone would probably be easier :)
Sep 19 23:20:59 <DaedalusX> hmmmm
Sep 19 23:41:30 <summatusmentis> I should be able to 'flash', or install the newest version of angstrom on my 3200, and not lose settings, if my ~ is a different partition than / ?
Sep 20 00:01:58 <nodens> summatusmentis, you should backup /etc as well...
Sep 20 00:02:43 <nodens> if you changed some settings from the previous version (or if there is a bug in the last image)
Sep 20 00:02:53 <nodens> if you are already using angstrom, that is.
Sep 20 00:03:26 <nodens> but if you use angstrom already, ipkg  update && ipkg upgrade + flashing just the kernel is enough
Sep 20 00:03:43 <nodens> unless you want to start over 
Sep 20 00:09:44 <nodens> ok, time to sleep for me as well ;)
Sep 20 00:09:48 <nodens> 'n8
Sep 20 00:40:59 <DaedalusX> hmmmm, there's a bug in the fluxbox-gpe package
Sep 20 01:02:49 <DaedalusX> anyone around?
Sep 20 01:36:46 <DaedalusX> hmmm, fluxbox just doesn't wanna work :/
Sep 20 01:36:52 <summatusmentis> nodens: the issue with just updating and upgrading, my current image was locally built, and so there's that whole thing about mixing dev environments, etc. It'd be easiest to just start over
Sep 20 02:14:26 <archer> i want to use directfb as the backend but x11. but after i modified DEPENDS in pango.inc & cairo.inc, the depends for xrender and x11 package is not removed.
Sep 20 02:14:33 <archer>  why it act as this, and how to correct the recipe?
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