**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:56 2007 Sep 25 04:00:34 hmmmmm Sep 25 04:00:51 damnit, I'm just having nooooooo luck. Sep 25 04:29:57 is it possible to download older packages from the feeds? Sep 25 04:30:59 somewhere there must be a working libevas package Sep 25 04:43:03 DaedalusX: what do you need Sep 25 04:43:05 I make you one Sep 25 04:44:00 can't find libevas Sep 25 04:47:25 it's libevas1 Sep 25 04:47:46 libevas1 segfaults enlightenment Sep 25 04:47:58 evas-x11 is missing a symbol Sep 25 04:48:06 both give libevas.so Sep 25 04:48:09 but neither work Sep 25 04:51:34 dcordes, if you could make me a working libevas package you'd be my savior... I'm so tired of trying to deal with this :P Sep 25 05:04:49 packages/nonworking/efl/evas-x11_0.9.9.038.bb Sep 25 05:05:06 DaedalusX: looks not good since the package providing it is in that nonworking dir Sep 25 05:07:21 nonworking dir? Sep 25 05:07:22 eewwww Sep 25 05:07:28 are there working old packages? Sep 25 05:07:40 I keep seeing people showing off e17 running in angstrom Sep 25 05:07:48 seems silly that they would move to nonworking packages Sep 25 05:18:54 dcordes, well if I can't get e-wm working, are there ANY working alternative wms? Sep 25 05:18:59 I'm really sick of matchbox. Sep 25 05:25:29 dcordes, soooo what do you think I should do Sep 25 05:29:23 DaedalusX: I have no idea :) Sep 25 05:29:26 try openmoko ui Sep 25 05:31:34 * DaedalusX sighs Sep 25 05:32:04 it's aggravating that all the packages I want are in the openzaurus feeds but I can't use em because they're for an older version of libc :P Sep 25 05:33:35 dcordes, do you know what the X startup procedure is for angstrom? Sep 25 05:33:41 maybe I can figure out fluxbox.... Sep 25 05:44:30 dcordes, can I enable logging from X? Sep 25 05:49:12 DaedalusX: when you install/remove the fluxbox-gpe package it tells you something about changing startup files Sep 25 05:49:20 hmmm? Sep 25 05:49:23 dcordes, where? Sep 25 05:49:46 in the terminal where you install from Sep 25 05:50:04 otherwise havea a look inside the ipk Sep 25 05:50:07 I have Sep 25 05:50:21 there's no reason as far as I can tell for it not to work Sep 25 05:50:38 yet all it does it blink momentarily, and then crashes back to gpe-dm Sep 25 05:50:48 and it did that with a completely fresh install Sep 25 05:51:17 I am not quite the right person to ask about such things Sep 25 05:51:29 I'm not so familiar with the way the x sessions are started Sep 25 05:51:48 trick is, you're the only person who's actually talking at all :P Sep 25 06:06:19 maybe wait for others to get up :) or consult the mailing lists or bugtracker Sep 25 06:12:16 did the latter. Sep 25 06:12:19 did the former. :P Sep 25 06:12:35 I've been asking about this same problem for several days now at various times in the day Sep 25 06:12:46 at this point, I'm pretty much just gonna say screw it Sep 25 06:13:02 also, what the hell takes ipkg so long. Sep 25 06:13:19 it's not using any cpu time or anything, it's like it just sits there. Sep 25 06:17:15 DaedalusX: hm :/ renice? Sep 25 06:17:32 maybe the repos are not so fast. see the wget verbose stuff Sep 25 06:18:43 no, wget is super fast... it's that it downloads them, and then sits there saying "configuring....." Sep 25 06:19:10 and then sits there for 5 or so minutes. Sep 25 06:19:19 maybe a minute or two per package Sep 25 06:19:22 for EVERY package Sep 25 06:19:25 doesn't matter how small Sep 25 08:12:08 hi there Sep 25 11:08:57 So...... Got the build environment running. How can I configure and build only the kernel ? Sep 25 15:21:23 XorA: jin^eld in #oe is a mediatomb developer :) Sep 25 16:06:03 Building angstrom is lasting now about 5 hours. Strange...... Sep 25 16:08:03 it takes a while first time Sep 25 16:11:32 I have a dual-core machine. Sep 25 16:12:08 Maybe I should have increeased -j 4 to -j 25 Sep 25 16:12:22 To let more processes run. Sep 25 16:13:04 vanguard: you should havve made BB_NUMBER_THREADS greater than 1 so that fetcing doesnt deadlock the system Sep 25 16:13:05 XorA: I only wanted to compile the kerne. Sep 25 16:18:23 There is no BB_NUMBER_THREADS Sep 25 16:19:41 yeah there is Sep 25 16:19:50 Which file ? Sep 25 16:19:57 local.conf Sep 25 16:20:03 BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4" in local.conf is a good choice for dual core Sep 25 16:20:22 but that will pretty much mean your machine is useless for anything else Sep 25 16:20:31 totally kills mouse movements in X :-) Sep 25 16:20:43 Not in mine. And this time, I did exactly, how it is types oin the homepage ! Sep 25 16:21:10 vanguard: then you failed in understanding, you can add varialbles to local.conf you know Sep 25 16:21:22 vanguard: BB_NUMBER_THREADS is in the bitbake usermanual Sep 25 16:21:47 Yes, I understand. I was happy, it was running at all. :) Sep 25 16:21:52 and paralle make or something like that (sorry for my eng) set to 4 Sep 25 16:22:04 it's nice idea Sep 25 16:22:30 -j ? Sep 25 16:22:36 yes Sep 25 16:22:42 -j 4 Sep 25 16:23:15 well a good compromise would be PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j2" Sep 25 16:23:19 This I have aylready. Sep 25 16:23:20 BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "2" Sep 25 16:24:19 4 proc with gcc -j 4 = 16 "thread" Sep 25 16:24:43 A good stress test for my computer. Sep 25 16:24:47 and nice Sep 25 16:25:13 nice -n X bitbake yyyy Sep 25 16:25:55 for comfort working Sep 25 16:27:03 Running now with 4 and -j 4 . No problems. Sep 25 16:27:25 There is still capacity I could use. Sep 25 16:27:58 Both CPUs are now with 60 percent load. Sep 25 16:29:26 go watch hdtv :) Sep 25 16:29:47 My notebook has no hdtv. :) Sep 25 16:30:22 i mean some movies, not broadcast :) Sep 25 16:33:13 Yes, ist is running slow, because the hard drive is in action. Otherwise it would be fluently. Sep 25 16:33:52 The same, when running rkhunter or apt-get upgrade. Sep 25 16:34:15 The hard drive is braking everything. Sep 25 16:34:40 And my hd is slow (5500rpm) Sep 25 16:42:25 It is running much faster now !!! Thanks ! Sep 25 17:00:52 koen, when angstrom hold packages? new software is new bugs... Sep 25 18:11:45 the wiki looks a bit strange :) Sep 25 18:12:06 is it intended this way :) ? Sep 25 18:59:54 hey wow, I fiiinally got one of the alternative wms to start at least :P Sep 25 19:00:06 anyone use XFCE4 here? Sep 25 19:00:20 it starts the panel and stuff but doesn't put in any menus or anything Sep 25 20:26:01 hey psokolovsky, are you Paul from the mailing list? Sep 25 20:26:45 he`s the curse of Angstrom Sep 25 20:27:28 I'm Paul from many mailing lists Sep 25 20:27:31 hehe Sep 25 20:27:49 i meant from the angstrom one of course ;) Sep 25 20:28:22 just wanted to let you know that the LiveRamdisks were a neat idea Sep 25 20:28:31 * Darth_Wader ran into the same dumb problem with xserver-xorg 1.3 Sep 25 20:29:16 and i can`t get where should be the .bb for 1.4 that was mentioned in X11R7.3 preferred version Sep 25 20:29:28 i have an h3900 ipaq and the LiveRamdisk works well, although some stuff is missing (i guess that has to do with the 2.6 kernel) Sep 25 20:30:05 yep, kernel needs more work Sep 25 20:31:01 psokolovsky: should i blame you for it or there are fix floating somewhere aroud? Sep 25 20:32:28 previous to those ramdisks i was unable to find an angstrom image suitable for my device, so this was the first time i could try angstrom Sep 25 20:32:41 Darth_Wader: tomorrow you're going to end up in my ignore list unless you submit patch for that and 10 other issues. good luck! Sep 25 20:32:55 lol Sep 25 20:37:19 wow, the xfce packages are a mess. Sep 25 20:37:40 who do I talk to about making new packages and getting them listed? Sep 25 20:37:51 the packages are missing essential files :P Sep 25 20:40:55 would it be possible to modify the contents of one of those ramdisks? and how? Sep 25 20:41:59 iceghost, you can probably remount it as read/write Sep 25 20:44:30 DaedalusX: could that be? because the come in the form of a wince binary... i dont really know how they are packaged Sep 25 20:48:32 iceghost, neither do I... you mount the binary though right? Sep 25 20:54:16 i don't understand, sorry, i just execute the binary from wince, all mounting of filesystems is done by the prearranged stuff inside (which i guess is HaRET with the right zImage and initrd packaged in some way) Sep 25 20:56:12 iceghost, oh, do you mean PERMANENTLY modify them? Sep 25 20:57:09 oh yes haha i wasn't clear to begin with... i meant like inserting a binary or files or whatever... Sep 25 20:57:11 iceghost: you have r/w ramdisk. you can install more stuff, but it will be lost after reboot of course. Sep 25 20:57:37 iceghost: you can mount a read card, and use/write stuff to it (including installing packages) Sep 25 20:57:48 in 2 words, you can do anything Sep 25 20:58:01 that were more than 2 ;) Sep 25 20:58:27 in plans, I have "easy install" idea which would allow "production" install, but still easy on end user Sep 25 20:58:38 via loopback mounted rootfs Sep 25 20:58:43 it will come out in time Sep 25 21:00:39 I tried to use my CF card with my sleeve precisely to install some stuff but it complained about missing drivers. i'll check if they are in place or not Sep 25 21:00:52 which kernel sources did you use? Sep 25 21:01:09 that "easy install" idea sounds cool Sep 25 21:11:09 soooo yeah who do I talk to to get a package added to the repository? Sep 25 22:13:53 hm, what`s the purpose of directfb in gpe-image? Sep 25 22:41:21 DaedalusX: I believe you attach the .bb file and patches to a bugtracker entry. Sep 25 23:08:05 k Sep 26 01:59:10 SonicvanaJr: You own an akita, don't you? Sep 26 01:59:19 Correct Sep 26 01:59:28 SonicvanaJr: do you boot from SD or internal flash? Sep 26 01:59:39 SD using altboot Sep 26 01:59:48 SonicvanaJr: ok, which kernel do you run? Sep 26 02:00:06 You mean version ? Sep 26 02:00:20 yes kernel version. Or the date of the image Sep 26 02:00:41 To be honest, I forget Sep 26 02:00:48 I haven't touched my zaurus in a month or so Sep 26 02:01:33 When you will flash a new/more recent image, you won't be able to boot from SD anymore Sep 26 02:01:44 just fyi. Something is wrong with altboot and 2.6.22 Sep 26 02:02:46 I hoped you were usina recent image and booting SD Sep 26 02:02:56 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3007 Sep 26 02:03:47 Seeing as how the images aren't building half the time, I doubt I'll run into the problem any time soon. Sep 26 02:06:09 SonicvanaJr: Do I hear a bit of critisizm against OE :-) ? Sep 26 02:07:04 Just a bit Sep 26 02:07:45 Even Linus Torvalds said monotone was crap :P Sep 26 02:07:56 I think akita is a relatively well maintained machine in OE Sep 26 02:08:32 I don't want to judge on this because I am not a developers Sep 26 02:08:46 just having no problems with akita builds in OE Sep 26 02:09:01 and if there is one there are many devs willing to help Sep 26 02:10:37 unfortunately I can't reach the altboot guy :) Sep 26 02:21:36 Angstrom-x11-pimlico-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20070917-h2200.rootfs.tar.gz Sep 26 02:21:42 anyone knows what is pimlico? Sep 26 02:26:04 Darth_Wader: yep it is a PIM toolset Sep 26 02:26:47 Darth_Wader: any achievments with e17 or other window managers? Sep 26 02:26:52 nope Sep 26 02:27:12 i`m opie user for now :) Sep 26 02:27:30 http://www.pimlico-project.org/ Sep 26 02:27:47 I thought about trying an opie image Sep 26 02:28:20 :) Sep 26 02:28:52 I had one once on akita but that was in early stage of opie. It seemed pretty fast in comparison to X11 enviornment Sep 26 02:30:10 opie in angstrom I mean Sep 26 02:31:47 it`s fast and in some places better suited for pdas, but there are still some really annoying sharp corners Sep 26 02:32:13 like? Sep 26 02:32:32 like completely missing ability to pair bluetooth from gui Sep 26 02:33:27 or that i can`t build recent cvs versions although Marex says that it should be ok Sep 26 02:33:37 hm. But that's not a hard thing to achieve with a terminal Sep 26 02:33:59 I'm just trying to build one angstrom-opie-image right now Sep 26 02:34:06 hes. Z users have two bonuses - the keyboard and vga screen Sep 26 02:34:10 ERROR: No providers of build target angstrom-opie-image oops Sep 26 02:34:28 it`s called opie-image, without angstrom- prefix Sep 26 02:34:35 ok thanks Sep 26 02:35:13 I really need to have somebody fix that altboot thing Sep 26 02:35:19 did you put "require conf/distro/include/preferred-opie-versions-1.2.3.inc" into your local.conf? Sep 26 02:35:29 or 1.2.4-pre Sep 26 02:35:45 no :) I'd better see the instructions first Sep 26 02:36:11 that line are taken from opie+angstrom instruction Sep 26 02:39:17 hmm... what device are called "Poky" ? Sep 26 02:40:41 Darth_Wader: poky is also openhand stuff like pimlico Sep 26 02:40:44 http://www.pokylinux.org/ Sep 26 02:40:55 ah Sep 26 02:41:39 I think openhand people also made openmoko pim things Sep 26 02:44:17 Darth_Wader: :( OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/sqlite/sqlite3_3.4.1.bb' failed Sep 26 02:44:42 what`s the error? Sep 26 02:47:20 do_install Sep 26 02:47:24 wanna see the log? Sep 26 02:47:55 do_install.. try to rerun it, it may as well be just a one-time error Sep 26 02:48:21 I think it is possibly the fact that I migrated my OE to my new system Sep 26 02:49:09 any paths changed? Sep 26 02:49:13 http://pastebin.ca/715183 Sep 26 02:49:20 no the pathes stayed the same Sep 26 02:49:38 also bitbake version. I have it in the OE dir Sep 26 02:50:30 i`m using bitbake inside OE dir too Sep 26 02:50:37 Oh I just built sqlite manually. That completed successfully. I already had that problem Sep 26 02:50:42 I had to remove "stamps" Sep 26 02:51:03 all do install stamps iirc Sep 26 02:51:21 for specific package, yes Sep 26 02:53:18 btw, the way bitbake handles build process are second most annoying thing in entire OE (#1 is the speed of bitbake recipe cache rebuild) Sep 26 02:53:48 no last time I had to remove _all_ do_install stamps because the error reocurred during the process with every task Sep 26 02:54:04 see NOTE: 1: /media/archiv/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/qte/qte-mt_2.3.10.bb, do_install (28257) Sep 26 02:54:07 it is the same Sep 26 02:54:40 oh yes the recipe cache rebuilding thing annoyed me on my old system Sep 26 02:54:43 hm... sounds familar to me, but my fight with it ended up in rf -rf $OE_TMP Sep 26 02:54:46 pentium 3 500mhz Sep 26 02:54:59 no just remove all do_install stamps... Sep 26 02:55:59 i did it with intention to check where my issues with xserver-xorg and opie-datebook are originating from Sep 26 02:56:41 setting up OE? Sep 26 02:58:25 nope, two possible candidates - mess in staging/toolchain trees and erroneous sources... the latter cause won Sep 26 02:59:06 hm Sep 26 02:59:47 is there a way to move all files found in a "find" search with mv command somewhere? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 26 02:59:56 2007