**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 30 02:59:56 2007
Sep 30 21:10:50 <high_roller> which image should I grab to test altboot on my sl-5600 (poodle) ?
Sep 30 21:15:51 <dcordes> high_roller: I guess you can install it from all images
Sep 30 21:16:23 <dcordes> altboot is not there from scratch. You need to "ipkg install altboot" after flashing
Sep 30 21:16:50 <dcordes> look out: there are some errors with the clamshell zauri booting from SD using altboot with 2.6.22
Sep 30 21:17:48 <high_roller> dcordes: I have the latest openzarus installed
Sep 30 21:18:02 <high_roller> when it first boots it says hit any key for altboot
Sep 30 21:18:18 <high_roller> or is that too old of an image?
Sep 30 21:19:03 <dcordes> high_roller: I can not help you with openzaurus, sorry
Sep 30 21:19:36 <dcordes> Ah wait I got you wrong sorry. You are trying to boot angstrom from your openzaurus altboot right?
Sep 30 21:19:45 <XorA|gone> that cant be done
Sep 30 21:19:46 <high_roller> dcordes: yes
Sep 30 21:20:05 <dcordes> afaik the kernel versions of altboot and the kernel you want to boot have to match
Sep 30 21:20:21 <high_roller> ok that makes sense
Sep 30 21:20:23 <dcordes> so you have to flash an angstrom minimal image to your poodle and then boot angstrom sd
Sep 30 21:20:33 <XorA|gone> its worse than that, from OZ to Angstrom we switched ABI so the kernel is plain incompatible with ANgstrom
Sep 30 21:20:35 <dcordes> both taken out of the same image relase
Sep 30 21:20:58 <mimecar> hi guys
Sep 30 21:21:07 <high_roller> well I wanted to get it setup to help test stuff, cause its just sitting around collecting dust
Sep 30 21:21:10 <dcordes> XorA|gone: when did you last flash your zaurus?
Sep 30 21:21:13 <dcordes> hi mimecar 
Sep 30 21:21:20 <mimecar> evening dcordes
Sep 30 21:21:25 <XorA|gone> dcordes: week or so ago
Sep 30 21:21:59 <XorA|gone> high_roller: you can use an angstrom-console-image to altboot an angstrom-x11-image, but I bet there are loads of bugs
Sep 30 21:22:04 <XorA|gone> poodle is a poor old machine
Sep 30 21:22:07 <dcordes> XorA|gone: could you do me a favour and try booting something from an SD card using altboot?
Sep 30 21:22:20 <dcordes> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3007
Sep 30 21:22:24 <high_roller> XorA|gone: is there not too much work going into it then?
Sep 30 21:22:29 <XorA|gone> dcordes: maybe tomorrow, Im not an altboot user
Sep 30 21:22:36 <XorA|gone> high_roller: few users of poodle
Sep 30 21:22:46 <mimecar> i know one user of poodle
Sep 30 21:22:50 <XorA|gone> high_roller: I happen to have one, but not much time
Sep 30 21:24:28 <high_roller> what's the Linux pda to get these days then?
Sep 30 21:24:38 <high_roller> i.e. what do most people use?
Sep 30 21:24:40 <dcordes> fic-gta02
Sep 30 21:24:47 <mimecar> zaurus c1000 is an option
Sep 30 21:24:50 * XorA|gone has a Zaurus C3200
Sep 30 21:24:59 <mimecar> or neo1973 on a near future
Sep 30 21:25:02 <XorA|gone> and a lot of Neo phones
Sep 30 21:25:12 * dcordes has a Zaurus C1000, too
Sep 30 21:25:21 <mimecar> dcordes: do you use gpe-calendar?
Sep 30 21:25:32 <XorA|gone> C1000 seems to have a lot of users and no developers :-D
Sep 30 21:25:36 * dcordes will get neo1973 (fic-gta02)
Sep 30 21:25:49 <dcordes> mimecar: no
Sep 30 21:26:01 <mimecar> ok
Sep 30 21:26:09 <mimecar> are there probles with OE forums ?
Sep 30 21:26:36 <XorA|gone> mimecar: remove the s from forums in URL
Sep 30 21:26:43 <XorA|gone> mimecar: /forum/
Sep 30 21:27:18 <mimecar> let's try it
Sep 30 21:27:44 <mimecar> is there a reason for the change ?
Sep 30 21:27:58 <high_roller> how long do you think before the neo 1973 is going to be end user ready?
Sep 30 21:27:59 <XorA|gone> mimecar: a crash I believe, the frontpage has a small post
Sep 30 21:28:17 <XorA|gone> high_roller: I predict Feb next year
Sep 30 21:28:20 <mimecar> server is on openbiblio
Sep 30 21:28:23 <mimecar> interesting
Sep 30 21:28:39 <DaedalusX> well this sucks...
Sep 30 21:28:42 <high_roller> XorA|gone: cool, I guess I just have put up with this "smart phone" for little while longer then
Sep 30 21:28:47 <Crofton> XorA|gone, so they can hand them out at fosdem?
Sep 30 21:28:51 <mimecar> hi DaedalusX
Sep 30 21:28:54 <DaedalusX> gpe-dm doesn't wanna work any more it seams, and I have no idea why
Sep 30 21:29:03 <XorA|gone> Crofton: yeah, I really hope there is stuff to demo at FOSDEM
Sep 30 21:29:12 <XorA|gone> Crofton: unlike my demo last year
Sep 30 21:29:20 <mimecar> DaedalusX: what where you doing ?
Sep 30 21:29:20 <Crofton> heh
Sep 30 21:29:38 <DaedalusX> mimecar, nothing. all I installed last night was freeciv, and that wouldn't do anything to X
Sep 30 21:29:52 <XorA|gone> was amusing though, I had the least updated Neo at FOSDEM, but the only one that could charge batteries
Sep 30 21:30:00 <mimecar> did you upgrade the system ?
Sep 30 21:30:03 <DaedalusX> mimecar, no.
Sep 30 21:30:09 <mimecar> ok
Sep 30 21:30:12 <DaedalusX> is there any way to get Xfbdev to log stuff?
Sep 30 21:30:24 <DaedalusX> because I can't find ANY logs anywhere from X
Sep 30 21:30:36 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: how much freespace on /
Sep 30 21:30:37 <mimecar> i don't know
Sep 30 21:30:45 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, about 8 MB
Sep 30 21:30:52 <DaedalusX> probably not enough?
Sep 30 21:31:00 <mimecar> i have 5 mb
Sep 30 21:31:11 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: no, should be fine, sometimes people full upto 0mb and forget to check
Sep 30 21:31:14 <DaedalusX> yeah
Sep 30 21:31:19 <DaedalusX> no I've got enough space
Sep 30 21:31:49 <DaedalusX> but I'll be damned if I can't get gpe-dm to start up... it starts X, then blinks as if it's gonna go into gpe-dm, then fails, and goes back to X, and does that over and over
Sep 30 21:32:08 <DaedalusX> soooo there's a bit of a tricky Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then a millisecond later Fn-Esc
Sep 30 21:32:09 <DaedalusX> :P
Sep 30 21:32:12 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: witll Xfbdev on its own start at least the checkered screen
Sep 30 21:32:16 <DaedalusX> to get to the command prompt
Sep 30 21:32:25 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, yeah... it seems that it's just gpe-dm that's stopped working
Sep 30 21:32:37 <DaedalusX> but I don't get anything dumped to the console
Sep 30 21:32:39 <DaedalusX> sooooo
Sep 30 21:32:40 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: that is odd, and a new one on me Im afraid
Sep 30 21:32:41 <DaedalusX> *shrugs*
Sep 30 21:32:43 <DaedalusX> yeah
Sep 30 21:32:45 <XorA|gone> gpe-dm kinda sucks
Sep 30 21:32:49 <DaedalusX> it was working absolutely perfectly last night
Sep 30 21:32:51 <DaedalusX> yeah it does
Sep 30 21:33:00 <DaedalusX> should I install xdm and try it out?
Sep 30 21:33:04 <DaedalusX> it's ugly but if it works :P
Sep 30 21:33:17 <dcordes> DaedalusX: also lost your X after fiddling around with display managers?
Sep 30 21:33:31 <DaedalusX> dcordes, nah, I actually got XFCE working! :)
Sep 30 21:33:39 <DaedalusX> it's great
Sep 30 21:33:47 <DaedalusX> the packages are horribly broken for them though
Sep 30 21:33:52 <dcordes> DaedalusX: how?
Sep 30 21:34:06 <dcordes> I would also like to try
Sep 30 21:34:15 <DaedalusX> missing essential .desktop files
Sep 30 21:34:27 <mimecar> DaedalusX: you can add new .desktop file
Sep 30 21:34:30 <DaedalusX> also, it is missing a file for the xfdesktop file
Sep 30 21:34:31 <mimecar> it's easy
Sep 30 21:34:34 <DaedalusX> mimecar, that's what I did
Sep 30 21:34:54 <DaedalusX> actually, I installed xfce here on my desktop, and then copied them over
Sep 30 21:34:58 <dcordes> DaedalusX: what is the package I need?
Sep 30 21:35:01 <DaedalusX> still, they need to be put into the package
Sep 30 21:35:22 <DaedalusX> dcordes, all kinds of stuff... I'll make up a list once I can finally get back into X on this damn thing :P
Sep 30 21:35:23 <dcordes> DaedalusX: you could open a bug suggesting your desired changes
Sep 30 21:35:34 <DaedalusX> desired? more like "essential" :P
Sep 30 21:35:40 <DaedalusX> XFCE will NOT work without them.
Sep 30 21:35:41 <DaedalusX> period.
Sep 30 21:35:44 <DaedalusX> won't even start.
Sep 30 21:36:22 <dcordes> ok essential then
Sep 30 21:36:25 <DaedalusX> and the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications will crash xfdesktop (meaning no menu) because of a bug with the version of xfdesktop they compiled
Sep 30 21:36:46 <mimecar> xDD
Sep 30 21:36:51 <mimecar> problem and problem and...
Sep 30 21:37:02 <DaedalusX> if there isn't a category in the registered-categories.xml file or whatever it's called, it'll crash out with an obscure gdk_pixbuf error
Sep 30 21:37:16 <high_roller> man they still want quite a bit for the clamshell zaurii
Sep 30 21:37:28 <mimecar> you can change categories displayed on matchbox
Sep 30 21:37:29 <dcordes> true
Sep 30 21:37:32 <DaedalusX> which I finally traced to there being no icon associated with the category the programs are under :P
Sep 30 21:37:49 <DaedalusX> high_roller, yeah, but it's worth it.
Sep 30 21:37:57 <DaedalusX> even if you have to... ehem. screw with it sometimes
Sep 30 21:37:59 <dcordes> high_roller: it's because they are the best pdas in the world
Sep 30 21:38:15 <DaedalusX> and whyyyyy is ipkg so slowwww? seriously.... ipkg really oughta at least tell you what it's doing
Sep 30 21:38:38 <mimecar> if feed is big, search of dependences is slow
Sep 30 21:38:39 <dcordes> you can see download progress with wget verbose something
Sep 30 21:38:56 <mimecar> I must go out
Sep 30 21:38:59 <mimecar> good night 
Sep 30 21:39:03 <dcordes> mimecar: bye
Sep 30 21:39:28 <dcordes> DaedalusX: was xcfe fast when it was working?
Sep 30 21:40:31 <DaedalusX> dcordes, quite
Sep 30 21:40:37 <DaedalusX> I didn't have any problems with responsiveness
Sep 30 21:41:03 <DaedalusX> sometimes it didn't quite follow the rules for maximum window size, but I think that's mainly because most programs aren't designed for 640x480 in mind :P
Sep 30 21:41:42 <DaedalusX> dcordes, it's not downloading stuff that's a problem... like right now, I'm removing some packages, but it's said "removing blah blah blah from sd..."
Sep 30 21:41:49 <DaedalusX> that was 15 minutes ago
Sep 30 21:41:51 <DaedalusX> it's still going
Sep 30 21:41:56 <DaedalusX> it's doing SOMETHING
Sep 30 21:41:58 <DaedalusX> but who knows what
Sep 30 21:43:27 <dcordes> the problem with ipkg is... it is itsy!
Sep 30 21:45:10 <dcordes> I cannot find any packages with xcfe in the repo
Sep 30 21:45:59 <dcordes> oops
Sep 30 21:46:03 <dcordes> :) typo
Sep 30 21:53:01 <DaedalusX> dcordes, it's still going.
Sep 30 21:53:08 <DaedalusX> it's STILL GOING
Sep 30 21:53:35 <DaedalusX> it hasn't moved since I complained last. it's been nearly half an hour uninstalling all of 300 kB
Sep 30 21:53:38 <DaedalusX> :P
Sep 30 22:05:54 <dcordes> DaedalusX: obviously it crashed
Sep 30 22:06:03 <dcordes> no space left on device :P
Sep 30 22:09:24 <DaedalusX> dcordes, I guess. it's still going.
Sep 30 22:09:41 <DaedalusX> dcordes, but I don't get it. I'm REMOVING packages :P
Sep 30 22:09:52 <DaedalusX> hahahahaha, ctrl-c won't do anything atm :P
Sep 30 22:10:44 <dcordes> restart
Sep 30 22:11:20 <DaedalusX> okee dokee... I'm seriously considering just backing up all the files I've got onto my sd card, and installing the console image
Sep 30 22:11:48 <DaedalusX> ... and now it says can't open /etc/mtab, no such file or directory, now that I've rebooted it
Sep 30 22:11:57 <DaedalusX> :P
Sep 30 22:12:07 <DaedalusX> yeahhhhh I'm salvaging as much as I can of this :P
Sep 30 22:14:49 <dcordes> maybe good situation to restart from scratch
Sep 30 22:14:53 <DaedalusX> yeah
Sep 30 22:15:01 <DaedalusX> hmmm, /etc/mtab is there though.
Sep 30 22:15:02 <DaedalusX> weird
Sep 30 22:15:31 <dcordes> did you try building angstrom-2008.1?
Sep 30 22:16:07 <DaedalusX> dcordes, no. worth it?
Sep 30 22:16:40 <dcordes> don't know it does not build for me
Sep 30 22:17:45 <DaedalusX> dcordes, hah, I'm trying to get a WORKING zaurus here. :P
Sep 30 22:18:04 <DaedalusX> dcordes, do you know what the speed difference between X.org and kdrive is?
Sep 30 22:18:27 <dcordes> hm I installed openmoko once on my akita
Sep 30 22:18:46 <dcordes> I couldn't really figure a difference because the interfaces differ so much
Sep 30 22:18:55 <DaedalusX> yeah
Sep 30 22:18:57 <dcordes> but when I tried the openmoko interface on angstrom with xorg it was slower
Sep 30 22:19:02 <DaedalusX> I can't find any way to log the damn kdrive stuff
Sep 30 22:19:09 <DaedalusX> soooo I can't figure out what's wrong :P
Sep 30 22:19:54 <dcordes> can't help you with that
Sep 30 22:20:50 <DaedalusX> dcordes, you know what it is slowing my ipkg down? "writing status file"
Sep 30 22:21:10 <dcordes> maybe it was trying to write it onto ejected sd
Sep 30 22:21:11 <dcordes> ?
Sep 30 22:21:20 <DaedalusX> nope. my SD card is in there.
Sep 30 22:22:02 <dcordes> maybe your internal flash is so full with all those window managers that there is no space left to write any status file?
Sep 30 22:22:14 <DaedalusX> nope, because I installed all the window managers to my sd card.
Sep 30 22:22:47 <dcordes> I hope somebody fixed altboot so I can boot from sd again when my image is finished
Sep 30 22:41:13 <DaedalusX> dcordes, I'm backing up my usr and etc directories, so I can save all the work I did to get xfce working :P
Sep 30 22:41:35 <DaedalusX> dcordes, I think I'm gonna drop down to the console image, put essential system programs in the flash memory, and then everything else like X onto the SD card
Sep 30 22:41:40 <DaedalusX> it's fast enough that I don't think it's a problem.
Oct 01 00:01:49 <hvontres|home> high_roller: are you still there?
Oct 01 00:04:06 <hvontres|home> high_roller: I am working on getting some workable poodle images going. I have a setup that will let it boot into a rootfs on an ext2 partition using kexec. The really cool part is that I now have a basic angstom image in flash and a OZ card for daily use and an Angstrom card for testing.
Oct 01 00:04:46 <hvontres|home> high_roller: the problem is that for now it is not exactly ready for prime-time. I might have something workable by next weekend.
Oct 01 02:13:42 <DaedalusX> hi all
Oct 01 02:13:50 <DaedalusX> what package provides the program useradd?
Oct 01 02:27:40 <DaedalusX> anybody?
Oct 01 02:29:42 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure, I thought it was called useradd, unless it's not in the feeds
Oct 01 02:29:51 <summatusmentis> can you tell me what you used for usb networking?
Oct 01 02:31:28 <DaedalusX> summatusmentis, worked almost straight out of the box for me. I have a shell script on my desktop for forwarding the internet to my zaurus if you'd like that though
Oct 01 02:31:56 <DaedalusX> you'll have to edit it for your computer, and enable internet forwarding in your kernel though
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