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Oct 11 06:43:44 <Qantourisc> Hi on Zaurus CL-3200 they say you must partition the drive in a certain fassion ... is there any real reason ?
Oct 11 09:45:41 <lrg> hey koen 
Oct 11 09:49:06 <koen> hey lrg 
Oct 11 09:56:59 <hrw> Qantourisc: hda1 needs to be big enough - by default it is 10M
Oct 11 10:06:44 <Qantourisc> hrw: can't i just make 1 partition .?
Oct 11 10:07:21 <hrw> you can
Oct 11 10:08:28 <Qantourisc> hrw: a ok... any "you shouldn't because" ?
Oct 11 10:08:36 <Qantourisc> on such smalls hdd's i perfer 1 partiion ...
Oct 11 10:08:54 <hrw> its free how you will do that
Oct 11 10:08:56 <Qantourisc> don't think swap is a smart idea hmm ?
Oct 11 10:09:25 <hrw> I had 1G / 0.5G swap and 2.5G /home when I had sl-c3000
Oct 11 10:09:38 <Qantourisc> what do you have now ?
Oct 11 10:09:44 <Qantourisc> and why did you 'drop" it ?
Oct 11 10:10:13 <Qantourisc> ow this thin has 80MB flash :)
Oct 11 10:10:20 <Qantourisc> strange
Oct 11 10:10:26 <Qantourisc> 60MB ram
Oct 11 10:12:43 <hrw> I had OE sl-c3000 not mine
Oct 11 10:12:51 <Qantourisc> ow :)-
Oct 11 10:13:06 <Qantourisc> but swap would mean lots of battery power
Oct 11 10:13:12 <Qantourisc> but the ability to open more progralm
Oct 11 10:13:30 <Qantourisc> btw whats with the internal flash and hdd ?
Oct 11 10:15:18 <hrw> we ignore internal flash on sl-c3x00
Oct 11 10:15:31 <Qantourisc> you do ?
Oct 11 10:15:32 <Qantourisc> why N
Oct 11 10:15:51 <Qantourisc> sounds like a fast way to boot ?
Oct 11 10:17:12 <hrw> jffs2 on flash is slower then ext2/3 on microdrive
Oct 11 10:17:43 <Qantourisc> jffs ?
Oct 11 10:17:48 * Qantourisc looks up
Oct 11 10:18:04 <Qantourisc> i see
Oct 11 10:18:19 <Qantourisc> hmmm
Oct 11 10:18:25 <Qantourisc> still seems like a waste :)
Oct 11 10:18:41 <Qantourisc> hrw: and you mean write access or read access ?
Oct 11 10:18:54 <hrw> both
Oct 11 10:18:59 <Qantourisc> jikes
Oct 11 10:19:05 <Qantourisc> and this is due ? slow flash ?
Oct 11 10:19:08 <hrw> anyway feel free to make any use of it
Oct 11 10:19:11 <hrw> compression
Oct 11 10:19:16 <Qantourisc> compression ?
Oct 11 10:19:20 <Qantourisc> who compresses it ?
Oct 11 10:19:30 <Qantourisc> hardware or software ?
Oct 11 10:19:34 <Qantourisc> i mean ? why compress it ?
Oct 11 10:19:40 <Qantourisc> as it's slow on a slow cpu
Oct 11 10:20:17 <koen> hrw: we should consider putting a small rescue filesystem (minimal-image + kexec + fdisk + ) in flash on c3xxx
Oct 11 10:20:47 <Qantourisc> i just think
Oct 11 10:20:51 <Qantourisc> entirely NOT using it is a waste
Oct 11 10:20:59 <Qantourisc> also hdd eats battery
Oct 11 10:21:28 <Qantourisc> imo
Oct 11 10:21:48 <Qantourisc> you could put extX (without jounralling) on it
Oct 11 10:21:55 <Qantourisc> and put the kernel on it or something
Oct 11 10:21:56 <koen> heh
Oct 11 10:22:04 <koen> don't put a regular filesystem on flash
Oct 11 10:22:09 <Qantourisc> hmmm ?
Oct 11 10:22:09 <koen> unless you want to destroy it
Oct 11 10:22:10 <Qantourisc> right
Oct 11 10:22:21 <Qantourisc> they write the "fat table" on 1 location no ?
Oct 11 10:22:41 <koen> they don't do wearleveling
Oct 11 10:22:57 <Qantourisc> well that's not an issue unless you update it a lot ...
Oct 11 10:23:03 <Qantourisc> (for example the fat table)
Oct 11 10:23:12 <koen> or the journal
Oct 11 10:23:16 <koen> or superblocks
Oct 11 10:23:38 <Qantourisc> superbloks = fat table 
Oct 11 10:23:41 <Qantourisc> i meant with that
Oct 11 10:23:44 <Qantourisc> no journal ofcours :)
Oct 11 10:23:49 <Qantourisc> it's suppost to be read only :)
Oct 11 10:24:21 <Qantourisc> odd jffs is not in the default kernel ?
Oct 11 10:24:56 <hrw> koen: how we will boot it?
Oct 11 10:26:31 <koen> ah, hmmm
Oct 11 10:27:20 <Qantourisc> what are the + of a flash ?
Oct 11 10:27:24 <Qantourisc> low power ?
Oct 11 10:27:30 <Qantourisc> random acces ?
Oct 11 10:27:34 <Qantourisc> slow sequential read
Oct 11 10:28:15 <koen> no mechanical parts
Oct 11 10:29:45 <Qantourisc> think you could use it as a suspend drive )
Oct 11 10:29:59 <Qantourisc> then you get to suspend a a wearing time :)
Oct 11 10:35:28 <Qantourisc> pfff it's hard to find a user for the flash memory ...
Oct 11 10:36:21 <Qantourisc> hrw: btw how slow fast is it without compression ?
Oct 11 10:36:45 <hrw> test it for yourself
Oct 11 10:36:56 <hrw> Qantourisc: I do not have any sl-cxx00 devices
Oct 11 10:37:30 <Qantourisc> i don't have the os on it yet
Oct 11 10:37:34 <Qantourisc> i'd use hdparm
Oct 11 10:37:34 <Qantourisc> or dd
Oct 11 10:37:37 <Qantourisc> to figure out ...
Oct 11 10:37:42 <Qantourisc> neither responds ....
Oct 11 10:37:45 <Qantourisc> on the default os
Oct 11 10:37:52 <Qantourisc> thanks anyway
Oct 11 10:45:47 <zap> Internal flash on 3100 gives 2.5Mb/s on read
Oct 11 10:45:54 <zap> Internal microdrive is 1.9Mb/s
Oct 11 10:45:57 <zap> so flash is faster
Oct 11 10:46:36 <Qantourisc> oooo :)
Oct 11 10:46:48 <Qantourisc> does the device suspend ?
Oct 11 10:46:49 <zap> I thought internal flash could be used as a cache for files used on boot
Oct 11 10:46:52 <zap> yep
Oct 11 10:47:02 <Qantourisc> as in "to swap"
Oct 11 10:47:04 <zap> with some glitches though
Oct 11 10:47:09 <zap> no, it doesn't swap
Oct 11 10:47:17 <zap> it just suspends to RAM
Oct 11 10:47:17 <Qantourisc> so how does it suspend ?
Oct 11 10:47:27 <Qantourisc> a like that
Oct 11 10:47:29 <zap> there's some voltage on RAM chips anyway
Oct 11 10:47:31 <Qantourisc> what sort of glitches ?
Oct 11 10:47:42 <zap> with CompactFlash cards
Oct 11 10:47:52 <zap> for example if I have my WiFi card inserted during resume 
Oct 11 10:47:57 <Qantourisc> aaa :)
Oct 11 10:47:58 <zap> sometimes it hangs on resume
Oct 11 10:47:58 <Qantourisc> right
Oct 11 10:48:02 <Qantourisc> dhu :)
Oct 11 10:48:09 <Qantourisc> your not suppost do that :)
Oct 11 10:48:14 <zap> and sometimes after resume the backlight is off
Oct 11 10:48:19 <zap> and you can't see a thing
Oct 11 10:48:23 <Qantourisc> lol :)
Oct 11 10:48:28 <zap> usually you have to reset after that :)
Oct 11 10:48:34 <Qantourisc> aw
Oct 11 10:48:36 <zap> sad the screen is not transflective
Oct 11 10:48:58 <zap> but generally it works pretty ok
Oct 11 10:49:03 <zap> for an alpha-stage software ;)
Oct 11 10:49:18 <Qantourisc> zap could tie a button to "put on blackligh"
Oct 11 10:49:27 <Qantourisc> then you press that
Oct 11 10:49:27 <zap> perhaps
Oct 11 10:49:31 <Qantourisc> boom backlight on or off
Oct 11 10:49:31 <zap> yep
Oct 11 10:49:49 <Qantourisc> doubt you use all of them anyway
Oct 11 10:50:00 <zap> the keyboard is not complete alas
Oct 11 10:50:07 <zap> this is the first thing I'm going to fix
Oct 11 10:50:19 <Qantourisc> ooo you a dev :)
Oct 11 10:50:21 <zap> for example you can't enter some chars like ~
Oct 11 10:50:27 <Qantourisc> pitty i don't have tomutch extra time to work on it
Oct 11 10:50:31 <zap> I'm not a dev yet, just a user
Oct 11 10:50:34 <Qantourisc> that's painfull ...
Oct 11 10:50:47 <Qantourisc> so it's not a standard keyboard ?
Oct 11 10:50:59 <zap> it's almost a standard Zaurus keyboard
Oct 11 10:51:09 <zap> but a standard Zaurus keyboard doesn't have ~
Oct 11 10:51:19 <Qantourisc> that's some sort of special thing ? :)
Oct 11 10:51:37 <zap> umm... have you seen a SL1000 or 3x00?
Oct 11 10:51:50 <Qantourisc> 3x00
Oct 11 10:52:12 <zap> well, most of the symbols painted on keyboard works except some japanese chars
Oct 11 10:52:22 <Imhotep482> Hello
Oct 11 10:52:24 <Qantourisc> i'm not jap :)
Oct 11 10:53:26 <Imhotep482> I want to get Metasploit running under Angstrom on an htc universal
Oct 11 10:53:38 <Imhotep482> Got ruby from the feeds
Oct 11 10:54:20 <koen> I had the old perl based metasploit running on my ipaq
Oct 11 10:54:36 * Qantourisc hopes he'll find time today to put angstrom on his pda :)
Oct 11 10:57:07 <Imhotep482> @koen: has someone compiled rubygems and sqlite binding  on Angstrom ? because
Oct 11 10:57:20 <Imhotep482> i need this for MSF3
Oct 11 11:01:20 <Imhotep482> htc universal seems the ideal plattform for mobile exploitation
Oct 11 11:02:23 <Imhotep482> some suggestions annybody
Oct 11 11:03:09 <koen> Imhotep482: not that I know off
Oct 11 11:07:54 <Imhotep482> thanks
Oct 11 11:09:00 <Qantourisc> does angtrom has hand writing software N
Oct 11 11:09:04 <Qantourisc> that allows custom letters ?
Oct 11 11:09:08 <Qantourisc> like the zaurus software ?
Oct 11 14:38:15 <rob__w> angstrom --- how do i create  a pssplash.h image file ?
Oct 11 15:44:35 <vanguard> I am searchin about an aticle with angstrom and siemens cf-card ait
Oct 11 15:44:45 <vanguard> I am searchin about an aticle with angstrom and siemens cf-card airconnect "CA-1100".
Oct 11 15:45:32 <vanguard> The card is running, but is not recognized at boot. I suppose, I have to edit /etc/modutils/hostap
Oct 11 15:46:11 <vanguard> If someone knows about it, I wpould be pleased, if he would tell me.
Oct 11 15:46:29 <vanguard> BTW: Thanks for updating claws-mail !
Oct 11 16:23:40 <vanguard> Is it allowed for everyone to edit the wiki of Angstrom ? Or must I ask someone ?
Oct 11 16:29:30 <Crofton> I think anyone can
Oct 11 16:39:33 <vanguard> O.k., thanks. So I did do it.
Oct 11 18:51:04 <Qantourisc> does angstrom has handwriting software ?
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