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Oct 16 08:09:23 <ABC|dOC> hi people
Oct 16 08:10:37 <ABC|dOC> does anyone tried to use a USB tv dongle on zaurus ?
Oct 16 08:15:21 <NAbyss> The Z is only 11mbit USB; it wouldn't have the bandwidth
Oct 16 08:17:10 <XorA> NAbyss: depends on format coming from tv card
Oct 16 08:17:18 <XorA> thats plenty for an mpeg stream
Oct 16 08:21:39 <NAbyss> XorA: hm, true.. most cards I've seen require USB2 though
Oct 16 08:21:47 <NAbyss> which to me implies >11mbps
Oct 16 08:22:37 <ABC|dOC> NAbyss: ok I understand
Oct 16 08:22:50 <ABC|dOC> i should find a USB1 dongle to use it on Z
Oct 16 08:22:57 <ABC|dOC> or no TV on Z
Oct 16 08:25:03 <Reneger> Hello?
Oct 16 08:25:33 <XorA> ABC|dOC: how about you give it a try and let us know :-D
Oct 16 08:26:12 <XorA> I think though that cpu load for USB + mpeg decoding will be too much
Oct 16 08:32:23 <ABC|dOC> XorA: i think too, and i'm hesitating between buying a USB1 dongle, to test on Z, but it should have medium quality, or an USB2 dongle for my desktop, but no Z testing :/
Oct 16 08:32:34 <ABC|dOC> or i'll stole a USB1 dongle
Oct 16 08:33:14 <XorA> USB2 will work on Z, just not at 480Mbits
Oct 16 08:38:39 <ABC|dOC> so i could use a USB2 TV dongle  on Z, what issues should i have ?
Oct 16 08:39:57 <XorA> that it actually requires more than 11Mbs
Oct 16 08:40:21 <XorA> ABC|dOC: no-one has tried this yet, I figure you should try and borrow one
Oct 16 08:42:21 <ABC|dOC> ok i'll do soon
Oct 16 08:42:44 <XorA> ABC|dOC: and please let I know how it goes
Oct 16 08:56:24 <ABC|dOC> sure
Oct 16 10:15:00 <ABC|dOC> a little question about mplayer on spitz. What sounds settings are the best for performance ? (i mean, 16bits, 8bits, 24bits (i suppose not), 44KHz, 48KHz ?
Oct 16 10:15:22 <ABC|dOC> and another question, why the pxa output gimme vertical lines on movies (it's like a interlaced video)
Oct 16 10:15:59 <NAbyss> ABC|dOC: iirc, 48KHz is better for the DAC on the spitz
Oct 16 10:16:06 <NAbyss> 16bit 48KHz should do you fine
Oct 16 10:32:12 <XorA> 16bits in stereo and pretty much any sample rate is the same on spitz
Oct 16 10:32:24 <XorA> codec supports all the common speeds without resampling
Oct 16 10:32:39 <XorA> slows sample rate will same you DMA time though
Oct 16 13:27:27 <bluelightning> heh... I only just realised, "angstrom" is an anagram of "strongarm" :)
Oct 16 13:28:31 <XorA> bluelightning: only if you cant spell
Oct 16 13:28:36 <mickeyl> hahaha
Oct 16 13:28:52 <ABC|dOC> NAbyss: tks for the sounds tips ;)
Oct 16 13:28:57 <XorA> strongam maybe :-D
Oct 16 13:29:07 <ABC|dOC> any help to compile a rtsp player for spitz (vlc or mplayer) ?
Oct 16 13:29:10 * mickeyl still favours writing ist AngstROM
Oct 16 13:29:15 <bluelightning> well, you have to repeat a letter, yes
Oct 16 13:29:22 <XorA> ABC|dOC: mplayer is already compiled
Oct 16 13:29:24 <bluelightning> I think technically it still counts :)
Oct 16 13:29:37 <XorA> mickeyl: Cacko AngstROM :-D
Oct 16 13:29:53 <mickeyl> haha
Oct 16 13:29:54 <mickeyl> right
Oct 16 13:30:03 <XorA> http://www.xora.org.uk/node/61
Oct 16 14:09:06 <ABC|dOC> XorA: but i doesn't play RTSP streams, does it ?
Oct 16 14:09:35 <XorA> ABC|dOC: if mplayer supports it then the angstrom one should
Oct 16 14:10:23 <ABC|dOC> hmm, i'll try harder ;)
Oct 16 14:11:06 <ABC|dOC> no idea for the vertical lines when playing movie with mplayer iwmmxt and PXA output ? the movie is still readable, but it looks like an old and crappy interlaced video
Oct 16 14:14:40 <XorA> not seen that, but I dont get much zaurus time anymoire
Oct 16 16:08:21 <reyawn> helloooo everyone
Oct 16 16:08:46 <reyawn> I'm pretty frustrated with the mailing list as I tried to register for it but it doesn't seem to remember that I indeed registered
Oct 16 16:09:28 <reyawn> but I wanted to inform the angstrom developers on how the latest h5xxx IPAQ image works on my h5450
Oct 16 16:10:32 <reyawn> backlight works, startup screen works (although it doesn't fit right, same as on h55xx), battery works (THIS IS A FIRST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH), sound doesn't work
Oct 16 16:11:11 <reyawn> this is just a comment on the stock image setup, and is a marked improvement over the last images where the battery was reported as "unknown"
Oct 16 16:12:27 <XorA> reyawn: cool
Oct 16 16:12:40 <XorA> reyawn: I dont own any Ipaqs, but still cool
Oct 16 16:16:14 <reyawn> XorA: thanks...just hope someone involved with the project takes note, I don't know if anyone there as an h5450 or not :)
Oct 16 16:17:38 <reyawn> now that I look, it appears you are involved with the Spitz as a machine mentor
Oct 16 16:18:58 <reyawn> pretty cool too
Oct 16 16:19:31 * koen diggs out h5550 with broken lcd
Oct 16 16:20:04 <XorA> reyawn: yes, I dont get as much spitz lurvin done as I would like
Oct 16 16:21:42 <reyawn> koen: yikes!  a broken lcd!
Oct 16 16:22:01 <reyawn> XorA: I'll be honest, I've never even heard of that device!
Oct 16 16:24:42 <reyawn> XorA: research shows its a Zaurus SL-C3000...very neat gizmo.  keyboard looks a little small, but it looks very versatile
Oct 16 16:25:24 <HRH_H_Crab> reyawn: they keyboard on them is actually very easy to use imo.
Oct 16 16:25:38 <HRH_H_Crab> i have pretty big hands, and i tend to use it thumboard style.
Oct 16 16:26:17 <HRH_H_Crab> s/easy/quick and comfortable
Oct 16 16:26:19 <XorA> HRH_H_Crab: same here, I always laught at people who try and use it flat on desk
Oct 16 16:26:26 <reyawn> HRH_H_Crab: the keyboard certainly looks bigger than the keyboard on my Treo 650
Oct 16 16:26:51 <reyawn> XorA: haha, yes, that doesn't seem to fit its purpose so well
Oct 16 16:27:25 <XorA> I actually prefer the c7x0 devices, but they dont have decent storage
Oct 16 16:28:44 <HRH_H_Crab> i only ever played with one of the older z's, and at the time i was very impressed, but i prefer my c3200.
Oct 16 16:28:47 <HRH_H_Crab> speaking of which,
Oct 16 16:29:06 <HRH_H_Crab> ive just updated after a fairly long while, looks like the kernel has updated. i guess i have to flash that right?
Oct 16 16:32:40 <XorA> yup
Oct 16 17:19:47 <koen> reyawn: I just checked, the usb-host module (which the wifi needs) isn't built
Oct 16 17:22:41 <reyawn> koen: yes... I'm not sure how to build it either, I was searching for some mention of it based of off the module name in familiar
Oct 16 17:23:00 <reyawn> koen: probably would need the version from the 2.6 kernel I'd imagine
Oct 16 17:23:05 <koen> it should be in the ohci module
Oct 16 17:23:27 <koen> reyawn: you need to pester psokolovsky to enable the usbhost modules
Oct 16 17:23:42 <reyawn> ah
Oct 16 17:24:06 <reyawn> koen: so you are saying that the wifi module depends on that?
Oct 16 17:24:12 <koen> yes
Oct 16 17:24:16 <koen> it's a usb wifi module
Oct 16 17:24:22 <reyawn> wow
Oct 16 17:24:57 <reyawn> integrated wifi that runs through the usb bus
Oct 16 17:25:02 <koen> the drivers for the module will probably need some updating as well, but we won't know that will we get the usb module :)
Oct 16 17:25:06 <reyawn> so it was basically slapped on by compaq
Oct 16 17:25:20 <koen> htc, but yes
Oct 16 17:25:39 <reyawn> guess that works, although it seems a bit lazy to me :)
Oct 16 17:25:42 <pH5> well, if there was no other connector left on the applications cpu..
Oct 16 17:25:46 <reyawn> true
Oct 16 17:25:47 <pH5> good evening
Oct 16 17:25:59 <reyawn> good afternoon from NY time zone :D
Oct 16 17:26:00 <koen> hey pH5 
Oct 16 17:26:27 <reyawn> the other big thing is the sound, I think
Oct 16 17:26:37 <reyawn> is it the same sound module as the h55xx?
Oct 16 17:26:59 <reyawn> I did some research into that and I believe it is, but I'm not sure
Oct 16 17:27:17 <reyawn> dunno if sound works on the h55xx or not
Oct 16 17:28:40 <reyawn> just trying to get a little todo list here for this
Oct 16 17:31:11 <koen> reyawn: http://bugs.openembedded.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3162&hide_resolved=1
Oct 16 17:31:40 <koen> any bug you add that is h5xxx specific should block 3162
Oct 16 17:32:42 <reyawn> thank you...I'll have to figure this out then
Oct 16 17:33:17 <reyawn> all the bugs should be chained underneath that metabug
Oct 16 17:34:21 <koen> that happens automagically when you put '3162' in the 'Blocks:' textfield of new bugs
Oct 16 17:37:16 <reyawn> ahh, okay
Oct 16 17:37:34 <reyawn> looks like someone already reported the h5000 audio missing bug, as well
Oct 16 17:40:52 <reyawn> should I report it again under the metabug, with the module name (ak4535) ?
Oct 16 17:44:36 <koen> just make the old bug block 3162
Oct 16 17:46:45 <reyawn> thanks, never used this before...going to do some research so I don't have to pester anyone :)
Oct 16 19:11:36 <CoreDump> umm, what is the build target for a vanilla angstrom "X11" image these days? x11-image? w/ proper DISTRO?
Oct 16 19:14:11 <pH5> yes
Oct 16 19:47:37 <CoreDump> thx
Oct 16 19:52:48 <mimecar> hi
Oct 16 19:53:19 <CoreDump> yo
Oct 16 19:54:29 <mimecar> hey CoreDump
Oct 16 19:54:31 <mimecar> how are you?
Oct 16 19:57:29 <CoreDump> ok-ish ;)
Oct 16 19:57:34 <CoreDump> and you?
Oct 16 20:00:01 <mimecar> tired
Oct 16 20:00:41 <CoreDump> same here
Oct 16 20:02:44 <mimecar> let's compile again
Oct 16 20:02:57 <mimecar> some day i'll finish the ****** compilation ;)
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