**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 02:59:56 2007 Oct 22 15:49:50 man Oct 22 15:50:06 "can we have two angstrom mailinglists, one for developers and one for users?" Oct 22 15:50:29 maybe it's me, but either some people are *really* stupid or are intentionally trying to piss me off Oct 22 15:50:56 step one: go to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Oct 22 15:51:02 step two: read that page Oct 22 15:51:17 optional step three: click on 'contact' Oct 22 15:51:33 both the frontpage and contact section mention those lists! Oct 22 15:51:35 * koen OMGs Oct 22 16:26:46 CoreDump: you there? Oct 22 17:04:58 hi! Oct 22 17:06:12 I'm trying to run angstrom on my h3800, but I keep getting kernel panic Oct 22 17:08:47 Anyone know about something like that? (And what to do with it?) Oct 22 18:01:07 hi, is there any lisp version (clisp(clisp), gcl(GCL), lisp(CMUCL), scl(SCL),sbcl(SBCL), lisp(ACL),openmcl(OpenMCL)) compatible with armv5te? Oct 22 18:04:24 afaik all of them should run on arm Oct 22 18:04:33 I was planning to build clisp tomorrow Oct 22 18:10:21 ok Oct 22 18:10:24 Can someone suggest a link to documentation about arm5 vs arm5te? On a CPU that supports arm5te can you mix and match arm5 and arm5te binaries or is the ABI different? Oct 22 18:11:11 there is no arm5 or arm5te Oct 22 18:11:18 koen|away: i need those lisps to compile maxima, can you tell me how do i configure clisp a armv5te cross compile? Oct 22 18:11:38 RedsH: your best bet is to add a clisp recipe to openembedded Oct 22 18:12:00 i am an openembedded noob :( Oct 22 18:12:07 or wait I till tomorrow till I try it :) Oct 22 18:12:32 i can't wait tomorrow..i want to see maxima on my zaurus Oct 22 18:15:30 koen: I cheated: I really wanted to know for OZ but I thought maybe an Anstrom person would know (OZ irc is mostly dead). See, for example, the choices offered here: http://www.openzaurus.org/feed-browser/?action=details&pnm=ncurses Oct 22 20:31:32 dhr: armv5te can run armv4 armv4t armv5te code Oct 22 20:35:12 hrw: thanks. I guessed that, but was not sure. But there is also the issue of ABI: assuming the hardware is arm5te, can code compiled for ARM5 call code compiled for ARM5TE, and vice versa? Oct 22 20:35:26 there is no arm5te Oct 22 20:35:35 * koen repeats it for good measure Oct 22 20:35:40 there is no arm5te Oct 22 20:35:47 dhr: arm*V*5te Oct 22 20:35:51 there is armV5te Oct 22 20:36:02 which runs on arm9 and arm10 cores Oct 22 20:36:25 oops: I was more confused than I knew. Oct 22 20:36:46 dhr: arm naming is sick Oct 22 20:36:52 no, the numbering is confusing to anyone Oct 22 20:36:58 * koen has a cheat-sheet on his desk Oct 22 20:37:01 there are ARM core versions and there are ARM instruction sets Oct 22 20:37:08 koen: URL!! URL!! Oct 22 20:37:22 hand written cheat-sheet Oct 22 20:37:33 dhr: arm920t core handle armv4t instruction set Oct 22 20:37:33 I might scan it sometime :) Oct 22 20:37:38 WIKI!! WIKI!! Oct 22 20:37:48 arm926-ejs does armv5te :) Oct 22 20:37:52 arm926ejs handle armv5jte instruction set Oct 22 20:38:06 I'm reading and editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#The_cores Oct 22 20:38:09 blech, java Oct 22 20:38:13 arm1136with-few-letters do armv6 Oct 22 20:40:46 * hrw requested new password on wikipedia to fix/add some entries there Oct 22 20:41:02 koen: consider adding clarification to wikipedia article; Oh HRW good too. Oct 22 20:43:03 so: in armV5te, what does V stand for? The English word "Version"? Apparently it means "this is an architecture name, not a core name" Oct 22 20:43:36 instructions set version Oct 22 20:43:48 it's there to make people feel dumb Oct 22 20:44:31 Does "T" in armv5te mean "Thumb". If so, what does the "E" mean? Oct 22 20:45:10 e stands for the dsp Extensions Oct 22 20:45:11 Oh, and what does "J" mean (in some other names) Oct 22 20:45:13 MUL and DIV Oct 22 20:45:15 hi guys Oct 22 20:45:18 Jazelle (Java) Oct 22 20:45:32 (MUL and DIV are the dsp extensions) Oct 22 20:45:53 a conversation with DSP, this is new Oct 22 20:45:53 I think the ARM numbering system was created by MBA's Oct 22 20:46:13 Crofton: don't be so elitist! Oct 22 20:46:38 arm is an architecture, not a numbering system Oct 22 20:46:44 that frase is adicting Oct 22 20:46:52 ? Oct 22 20:46:53 :) Oct 22 20:47:03 you had to be at OEDEM Oct 22 20:50:01 Does Angstrom support Zaurus SL-6000? Some things suggest yes, some no. I have one running OZ3.5.4.2 rc2 and feel a bit like an orphan. Oct 22 20:50:24 dhr: have you look for on download's section? Oct 22 20:50:29 (i don't know if it works) Oct 22 20:50:50 There are binaries. That was the "yes" part of the story. Oct 22 20:52:42 dhr: we provide images but there is nearly no one who will report bugs and fixes Oct 22 20:52:56 and we are stick with 2.6.17 kernel due to usbhost ;( Oct 22 20:53:34 stuck because the usbhost is a binary-only driver from Sharp?? Oct 22 20:54:02 hrw: something similar to SD and collie (SL5500) ? Oct 22 20:54:42 with kernel 2.6 Oct 22 20:55:50 dhr: the linux usb system changed after 2.6.17 and we have no volunteers to update the driver Oct 22 20:56:02 dirk, the tosa hacker got a new job and baby Oct 22 20:56:19 Dirk was not author of usb host driver Oct 22 20:56:45 koen: I am thinking about trying LinuxDriverProject help Oct 22 20:58:19 I have a TOSA but I don't have much time and I've not done any kernel hacking to speak of. I do think that I understand the principles. What would be involved? My guess: Oct 22 20:58:34 dhr: grab image, install, test Oct 22 20:58:43 dhr: report any bug found Oct 22 20:58:57 dhr: try to fix them (even in ugly way) Oct 22 20:59:04 1) build a build environment. 2) build, 3) fix usbhost compile errors, 4) test Oct 22 20:59:06 dhr: report those fixes Oct 22 20:59:26 dhr: ignore your 1-3 and use angstrom images Oct 22 21:00:57 does current angstrom 6000 image still use 2.6.17 (i.e. usbhost should actually work)? Oct 22 21:01:01 yes Oct 22 21:03:32 btw, I have several arm-based things that I can hack on here. Netwinder, Zaurus SL5500, Zaurus SL6000, and Nokia 770. Oct 22 21:04:00 dhr: choose the pda has a more adapted version of angstrom Oct 22 21:04:26 all the models it's imposible Oct 22 21:06:19 hrw: are you working on the Wikipedia entry? If not, I'd like to take a stab, especially if you are willing to fix it up afterwards. Oct 22 21:09:24 no Oct 22 21:10:02 koen: the wikipedia entry does not mention DSP extensions. It does say that ARMv2 added the MUL instruction. Oct 22 21:10:25 I could be wrong :) Oct 22 21:10:39 sorry: s/mention/explain/ Oct 22 21:11:50 http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/cpu-arch-DSP.html ? Oct 22 21:20:26 hrw: are you finished tinkering with .23 in poky? Oct 22 21:22:53 what machines does poky support? Oct 22 21:23:20 pugs :) Oct 22 21:23:29 Sorry for dumb question, but how do I remake certain ipk file? "bitbake keylaunch" tells me that it does "do_build" but the ipk file is still old Oct 22 21:24:07 koen: yes - it works for all Poky supported real hardware Oct 22 21:24:32 zap: -c rebuild Oct 22 21:24:40 thanks Oct 22 21:24:58 hrw: does it include your lots-of-modules defconfigs ? Oct 22 21:24:59 I would suggest -cclean + normal build Oct 22 21:25:19 koen: no - this needs test still, but I will provide them soon Oct 22 21:26:45 night all Oct 22 21:26:54 n8 mimecar Oct 22 21:33:35 have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#DSP_Enhancement_Instructions Oct 22 23:32:00 it's been a long time for me since I built an image... can someone please tell me what I type to build an angstrom image for my zaurus, angstrom-x11-image seems to be out dated **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 02:59:57 2007