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Oct 29 03:16:24 <tttttt> tytre
Oct 29 16:46:17 <dcordes> somebody tried latest 2.6.23 build for zaurus sl-c**00?
Oct 29 16:47:28 <XorA> not yet
Oct 29 16:47:38 <dcordes> seems kind of broken to me
Oct 29 16:47:39 <XorA> hrw|gone: did I think
Oct 29 16:48:00 <XorA> but he said something last week about fixes needed
Oct 29 16:54:18 <dcordes> I'm not sure about filing bugs yet
Oct 29 16:55:35 <dcordes> X11 is making problems (matchbox session falling back to gpe login), hostap is not loading, and still altboot does not recognize SD cards since 2.6.22 (oebug 3007)
Oct 29 16:56:23 <XorA> dcordes: better to file now and start discussion than assume people know of the problems
Oct 29 16:56:25 * XorA will forget this conversation in about 5 mins when he starts playing with lego :-D
Oct 29 16:56:56 * koen points to rule #5 and #6 on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
Oct 29 16:57:10 <koen> rule #6 is for people that don't understand #5
Oct 29 16:57:19 <dcordes> yes I know what they say
Oct 29 16:57:25 <dcordes> bugs are only present if they are filed
Oct 29 16:57:44 <koen> so why haven't you filed bugs yet?
Oct 29 16:57:58 * koen points to #6
Oct 29 16:59:02 <dcordes> but one thing to make sure with the modules: I just built the image as usual and put only zImage.bin and initrd.bin from  yesterday onto akita. so I can assume I haven't got wrong module versions?   
Oct 29 18:58:00 <dcordes> koen: All bugs filed, Sir.
Oct 29 18:58:31 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: so you have 2.6.23 working on your akita?
Oct 29 18:59:01 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos: working is the wrong term
Oct 29 18:59:11 <dcordes> no X11, no hostap_cs
Oct 29 19:00:25 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: but the kernel works, yes?
Oct 29 19:00:56 <dcordes> oebugs 3007, 3230, 3231
Oct 29 19:01:03 <dcordes> yep
Oct 29 19:01:09 <Zero_Chaos> I'll check it out, thanks
Oct 29 19:01:29 <dcordes> we need to get that altboot fixed.
Oct 29 19:01:43 <dcordes> since 2.6.22 it doesn't mount the SD anymore
Oct 29 19:03:08 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: you are building x11-image or angstrom-x11-image?
Oct 29 19:03:18 <dcordes> x11-image
Oct 29 19:03:29 <Zero_Chaos> okay because the last bug made it look like the other way
Oct 29 19:03:39 <dcordes> angstrom-x11-image is dropped
Oct 29 19:03:42 <Zero_Chaos> I'll look into the hostap stuff, as I was about to play with the kernel anyway.
Oct 29 19:03:48 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I know ;-)
Oct 29 19:05:42 <dcordes> good to know somebody is at the hostap stuff. Things I described in the bug is all I'm able to try
Oct 29 19:06:20 <dcordes> I don't know ho to build module ipks manually
Oct 29 19:09:59 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: if it is wifi I usually volunteer for it, so I end up playing with the kernel more than most ;-)
Oct 29 19:10:18 <dcordes> ah your so selfish :P
Oct 29 19:10:34 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: anything odd, not work?
Oct 29 19:10:46 <dcordes> you mean among my filed bugs?
Oct 29 19:11:22 <Zero_Chaos> On the new image.  If I build a console-image I can I can avoid all but the hostap bug, yes?
Oct 29 19:12:05 <dcordes> I didn't notice anything else
Oct 29 19:12:27 <Zero_Chaos> roger that.  I'll try to check it out today.  I've been meaning to give the kernel a "personal touch" anyway ;-)
Oct 29 19:12:54 <dcordes> ok sir
Oct 29 19:13:41 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: no one calls me sir.
Oct 29 19:13:50 <Zero_Chaos> at least, not around here.
Oct 29 19:20:11 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos: rt73-k2wrlz_2.0 is loading
Oct 29 19:20:21 <Zero_Chaos> 2.0.1 should work
Oct 29 19:20:32 <dcordes> ah yes 2.0.1
Oct 29 19:20:37 <dcordes> did you commit that recipe?
Oct 29 19:21:01 <dcordes> I just was wondering how 2.0* got into OE after building it
Oct 29 19:21:02 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I commit nothing.  But I do have a friend that helps with those tasks lately
Oct 29 19:22:14 <dcordes> XorA?
Oct 29 19:22:25 <Zero_Chaos> ;-)
Oct 29 19:22:52 <dcordes> he also was the one who initially helped me adding up rt73-1.0 after received a rt73 device
Oct 29 19:23:17 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I think he is the developer most interested in wifi.
Oct 29 19:23:23 <dcordes> possibly
Oct 29 19:24:20 <dcordes> what's new in 2.0.1?
Oct 29 19:24:30 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: it compiles for 2.6.23 ;-)
Oct 29 19:25:19 <dcordes> what's so new with 2.6.23 that it needs changed wifi modules?
Oct 29 19:25:40 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: the entire way wifi works.  complete switching of half the drivers to a new 80211 layer
Oct 29 19:26:35 <dcordes> ah mac80211?
Oct 29 19:26:41 <Zero_Chaos> correct
Oct 29 19:29:35 <dcordes> I b0rked my usb bat :(
Oct 29 19:29:41 <Zero_Chaos> how?
Oct 29 19:30:02 <dcordes> I tried to get rid of the housing to decrease size and short circruited it badly
Oct 29 19:30:28 <Zero_Chaos> nice.
Oct 29 19:30:36 <Zero_Chaos> should have left well enough alone
Oct 29 19:30:42 <dcordes> indeed
Oct 29 19:30:49 * dcordes slaps dcordes
Oct 29 19:49:25 <Zero_Chaos> what was that "bitbake -c menuconfig" command? was that it?
Oct 29 19:50:02 <dcordes> I don't know never tried it
Oct 29 19:50:53 <dcordes> um yes, that was it :)
Oct 29 19:51:35 <Zero_Chaos> k
Oct 29 19:55:03 <Crofton> root
Oct 29 20:04:27 <Zero_Chaos> hmm, bitbake -c menuconfig didn't work for me....
Oct 29 20:07:45 <dcordes> what's your bitbake version?
Oct 29 20:07:55 <Zero_Chaos> 1.8.9
Oct 29 20:08:17 <dcordes> I've got 1.8.8 and bitbake -c menuconfig virtual/kernel worked
Oct 29 20:08:30 <Zero_Chaos> ahh, perhaps I needed "virtual/kernel" in there.
Oct 29 20:08:32 <Zero_Chaos> cool
Oct 29 20:11:01 <dcordes> bbiab
Oct 29 20:38:36 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos: found anything out about hostap_cs?
Oct 29 20:39:31 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I said today, not now ;-)
Oct 29 20:39:50 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I've just started updating everything, while I put 200lbs worth of equip to ship out
Oct 29 20:40:08 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: it is still the work day for me
Oct 29 20:46:12 <dcordes> so you're working in some shop?
Oct 29 20:46:38 <Zero_Chaos> heh, no.  I just happen to have a lot of company equipment at the moment, and we are trying to figure out where to send it.
Oct 29 20:47:25 <dcordes> what equipment?
Oct 29 20:48:06 <Zero_Chaos> Wifi Security stuff that I use in my training classes
Oct 29 20:51:02 <dcordes> interesting
Oct 29 20:51:07 <dcordes> that's a nice job
Oct 29 20:51:54 <Zero_Chaos> keeps me not bored ;-)
Oct 29 20:53:15 <dcordes> yay I just managed to get a working matchbox session
Oct 29 20:53:28 <Zero_Chaos> add it to your bug report?
Oct 29 20:53:33 <dcordes> ipkg remove --force-depends gpe-dm gpe-session-scripts gpe-login xserver-common && ipkg install xserver-kdrive-common xserver-nodm-init
Oct 29 20:53:45 <dcordes> I'm on it but testing things a bit before I post
Oct 29 20:53:50 <Zero_Chaos> yeah.
Oct 29 20:53:54 <dcordes> or else I will have to add 20 replies again
Oct 29 20:53:59 <Zero_Chaos> and I don't think that is a viable solution for all
Oct 29 20:54:46 <dcordes> don't know the downsides of xserver-kdrive but if you want 2.6.23 badly and need X it's ok for now I think
Oct 29 20:54:53 <dcordes> until somebody fixes the usual setup
Oct 29 20:55:33 <Zero_Chaos> I don't need X really.  It is a nice bonus but... I'll wait for a better fix.  I pretty much need X for the spectrum analyzer and then maybe snes games ;-)
Oct 29 20:56:47 <dcordes> in first place akita is my mutlimedia toy and here and now I use it for wifi access....
Oct 29 20:59:16 <Zero_Chaos> I use mine for wifi hacking (when it works, which is about 0.1% of the time)
Oct 29 20:59:33 <Zero_Chaos> but now that 2.6.23 is out, I aim to make it stable enough to use
Oct 29 21:02:28 <dcordes> why didn't it work before?
Oct 29 21:02:39 <dcordes> wifi was always stable for me
Oct 29 21:03:14 <dcordes> between rt73-k2wrlz_2.0.1 is working flawlessly
Oct 29 21:04:37 <Zero_Chaos> the wifi has been pretty good, the general stability of the images has not been the best.  some days it works, others it does not
Oct 29 21:06:05 <dcordes> well with OE metadata changing that rapidly I also experienced problems with cahnging kernels and stuff
Oct 29 21:06:43 <dcordes> but I think that's pretty much part of OE. 2.6.21 build was always OK for me
Oct 29 21:06:59 <dcordes> at least that was the best "stage" of things
Oct 29 21:08:39 <Zero_Chaos> until a release happens I can say nothing about the rapid changes and the all too often breakage.  Really it's a good thing, tells me something is happening.
Oct 29 21:11:33 <dcordes> do you know where ipkg stores the downloaded ipk files?
Oct 29 21:12:58 <Zero_Chaos> on the Z? I have no clue
Oct 29 21:13:55 <dcordes> yep
Oct 29 21:14:34 <XorA|gone>  /tmp
Oct 29 21:15:52 <dcordes> XorA|gone: no I mean on the zaurus
Oct 29 21:16:48 <Zero_Chaos> XorA|gone: hey buddy
Oct 29 21:22:44 <dcordes> oh the pain! no space left on device
Oct 29 21:23:11 <Zero_Chaos> heh, hate that
Oct 29 21:23:14 <Zero_Chaos> stupid partitions
Oct 29 21:23:19 * Zero_Chaos considers fdisk....
Oct 29 21:23:27 <dcordes> wait you can change them?
Oct 29 21:23:41 <Zero_Chaos> well, yes, but I don't know if you can flash it after that.
Oct 29 21:23:53 <Zero_Chaos> likely not
Oct 29 21:24:03 <dcordes> hm I'm not going to garble my akita
Oct 29 21:27:03 <dcordes> XorA|gone: how can I figure out if udev is present? (in altboot)?
Oct 29 21:39:50 <mimecar> hi guys
Oct 29 22:06:32 <dcordes> yo mimecar 
Oct 29 22:06:38 <mimecar> hi dcordes
Oct 29 22:06:49 <dcordes> que tal?
Oct 29 22:06:59 <mimecar> installing gentoo
Oct 29 22:07:03 <dcordes> cool
Oct 29 22:07:16 <mimecar> and i can't boot live cd :P
Oct 29 22:07:35 <dcordes> I just made some progress with altboot http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3007
Oct 29 22:07:40 <dcordes> which is very good
Oct 29 22:07:52 <mimecar> i don't know, i think is a hard distro for me 
Oct 29 22:07:54 <mimecar> really ?
Oct 29 22:08:15 <dcordes> see the bug
Oct 29 22:08:20 <dcordes> maybe you can help..
Oct 29 22:10:09 <mimecar> kernel updates are dangerous for me
Oct 29 22:10:13 <mimecar> some times i lost wifi card
Oct 29 22:10:44 <dcordes> prism cf?
Oct 29 22:11:44 <dcordes> don't install 2.6.23 yet if you have prism cf
Oct 29 22:12:00 <mimecar> i have a older version of angstrom
Oct 29 22:12:26 <mimecar> i can't use latest version, something was wrong
Oct 29 22:13:13 <mimecar> dcordes: i stored latest version it workrd for me
Oct 29 22:29:34 <mimecar> dcordes: i'll return to debian on my vmware image
Oct 29 22:31:36 <dcordes> you were trying to install gentoo into your vm??
Oct 29 22:32:02 <mimecar> yes, a firend of mine runs gentoo and compile with angstrom
Oct 29 22:32:10 <mimecar> i've some problems he haven't
Oct 29 22:33:54 <tripolo> hi
Oct 29 22:34:17 <mimecar> he hasn't :P
Oct 29 22:36:34 <dcordes> the more people with working OE buildsystem for akita the better!
Oct 29 22:36:54 <mimecar> yes
Oct 29 22:37:07 <mimecar> but ithink install a gentoo is not so easy
Oct 29 22:39:21 <dcordes> maybe you try to iron out the problem with your current setup instead of deleting it?
Oct 29 22:40:15 <mimecar> to late
Oct 29 22:40:27 <mimecar> i'm starting from scratch
Oct 29 22:40:31 <mimecar> with a bigger partition
Oct 29 22:42:04 <dcordes> well if you had space problems maybe that's a good place to restart
Oct 29 22:42:23 <mimecar> 34 GB and only 2 GB free
Oct 29 22:42:42 <mimecar> with compilations for angstrom and collie
Oct 29 22:43:14 <mimecar> i think i use "hard" linux distro
Oct 29 22:43:28 <mimecar> something easier such as mandriva or suse will be a good idea
Oct 29 22:43:30 <dcordes> hard==native?
Oct 29 22:43:53 <dcordes> maybe. also you should try building native and not in vmware
Oct 29 22:43:54 <mimecar> hard =>"next next next" (windows style :P)
Oct 29 22:43:58 <dcordes> ever installed a linux natively?
Oct 29 22:44:04 <HRH_H_Crab> gentoo isnt that "hard" its just a bit time consuming
Oct 29 22:44:07 <dcordes> on your build machine?
Oct 29 22:44:32 <mimecar> HRH_H_Crab: it has some interesting things, but i think i will spend many time
Oct 29 22:44:36 <mimecar> dcordes: yes
Oct 29 22:44:47 <mimecar> hi frank7d
Oct 29 22:45:58 <frank7d> hi mimecar
Oct 29 22:46:09 <dcordes> mimecar: did you also use bitbake natively?
Oct 29 22:46:21 <mimecar> on vmware image, yes
Oct 29 22:46:30 <dcordes> that's not native
Oct 29 22:46:38 <dcordes> when you run it in vmware, that is cpu emulation
Oct 29 22:46:40 <frank7d> on a debian system, me
Oct 29 22:46:57 <dcordes> which is much slower in any case (afaik)
Oct 29 22:47:05 <mimecar> yes, but it's the only option if i want work with angstrom
Oct 29 22:47:16 <dcordes> I heard average of 1/3 speed
Oct 29 22:48:15 <mimecar> i use a console only system
Oct 29 22:48:27 <dcordes> mimecar: other way would be to emulate (or better replace) the software you need in windows on your build system :D
Oct 29 22:48:50 <mimecar> some software can't be reaplced
Oct 29 22:48:57 <mimecar> replaced
Oct 29 22:49:09 <dcordes> you tried wine?
Oct 29 22:49:23 <dcordes> many people underestimate the force of wine
Oct 29 22:49:36 <mimecar> it's a big program from my degree
Oct 29 22:53:32 <HRH_H_Crab> mimecar: your friend that uses gentoo, and builds angstrom, is he a regular here?
Oct 29 22:54:01 <mimecar> he use jabber and msn only
Oct 29 22:55:39 <HRH_H_Crab> i see. i was just curious because im a gentoo user, and im planning to try and figure out how to use bitbake / oe at some stage.
Oct 29 22:56:01 <mimecar> it should be easy
Oct 29 22:56:02 <HRH_H_Crab> im not really a developer though, so im not too sure how to get started.
Oct 29 22:56:12 <HRH_H_Crab> ill have to sit down and read the docs when i get a change.
Oct 29 22:56:16 <HRH_H_Crab> *chance
Oct 29 22:56:58 <mimecar> HRH_H_Crab: me neither, i got a x11 image for my akita
Oct 29 22:57:03 <mimecar> with some time...
Oct 29 22:57:18 <HRH_H_Crab> nice
Oct 29 22:58:29 <mimecar> night all
Oct 29 22:58:33 <HRH_H_Crab> nn
Oct 29 23:11:30 <Kero> who are the "Angstrom Developers" ?
Oct 29 23:11:56 <Kero> (as listed in various ipkgs on my Neo)
Oct 29 23:12:09 <dcordes> Kero: what's your problem?
Oct 29 23:12:52 <Kero> that openmoko-dialer2 app tries to maintain its own statemachine on whether gsm functionality is on or off
Oct 29 23:13:26 <Kero> needless to say, it's completely wrong. Doesn't even query on startup, or so it seems from its behaviour
Oct 29 23:14:05 <Kero> so, given that libgsmd might be replaced, rewritten, use more of dbus...
Oct 29 23:14:19 <Kero> ...would it be useful if I try to help?
Oct 29 23:16:28 * Kero is interested in the cooperation of various pim programs (dialer/gsm-integration, contacts, agenda as prime programs)
Oct 29 23:19:58 <dcordes> Kero: I know that question is a bit stupid but do you use that with openmoko or angstrom?
Oct 29 23:20:29 <dcordes> and what is the machine you are using? (I'm just curious)
Oct 29 23:24:46 <Kero> openmoko
Oct 29 23:25:30 <Kero> and the machine is a Neo1973 aka gta01v4
Oct 29 23:27:55 * high_roller wishes the openmoko would work with verizon in the US
Oct 29 23:38:01 <dcordes> Kero: the right place to ask that is #openmoko
Oct 29 23:38:39 <dcordes> although there might be angstrom mentioned in some maintainer sections of packages in openmoko the first place to get openmoko help is there
Oct 29 23:38:54 <dcordes> if somebody deferred you here or #oe just wait
Oct 29 23:43:02 <Kero> copy+paste of the maintainers? I will go back to #openmoko. Thanks.
Oct 30 02:08:53 <NeverGone> hy
Oct 30 02:09:17 <NeverGone> I would like to install Angstrom Linux, found in directory ... onto my h3900. Where can I find a manual or help for that?
Oct 30 02:10:23 <NeverGone> I would like to install Angstrom Linux, found in directory http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h3900/20070929/ onto my iPAQ h3900. Where can I find a manual/tutorial or help for that?
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