**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 02:59:57 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 04:01:32 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 04:20:19 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 04:35:58 2007 Nov 08 15:09:49 Hey, I'm having trouble donwloading the updater.sh file from the site. is anyone else gtting 403 forbidden on updater.sh? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071024/ Nov 08 15:11:17 it's included in the installkit Nov 08 15:11:50 ahhh okk Nov 08 15:11:57 ill update the wiki accodingly, thanks Nov 08 15:41:24 hmm. ive installed using the instructions off the openzaurus website, and i just have a terminal. is the angstrom distro just the terminal? i was expecting to boot into a GUI... Nov 08 15:44:59 It can produce both GUI and console images. Nov 08 15:48:12 hmm. according to the wiki openzaurus should defualt to opie, maybe somethign went wrong? Nov 08 15:52:33 daresbalat: it defaults to opie, gpe, or terminal deending on what image you downloaded Nov 08 15:53:36 eekee: hmm, there wasnt a choice Nov 08 15:53:47 maybe thre is a better guide than this? http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install Nov 08 15:54:04 oh... Nov 08 15:54:30 hey, another dune fan Nov 08 15:54:39 koen: :) yeahh Nov 08 15:55:16 um, if there is, I'd love to know where it is, because that's what I used. ^_^; Um, actually the spitz has a kinda 2-stage install iirc, and that page is written kinda back to front. Nov 08 15:55:24 I need to afk, bbs Nov 08 15:55:39 eekee: ahha. antoher directory has a few options http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20071017/ any diea which i need? Nov 08 15:55:45 eekee: ok, thanks Nov 08 15:58:46 back -- one of the x11 images. It might default to gpe. I don't know what pimlico is. Nov 08 16:00:15 eekee: ok. so yours defaulted to gpe? Nov 08 16:00:28 also Nov 08 16:00:37 i cant bring up the usb network interface Nov 08 16:00:40 any ideas on that? Nov 08 16:00:43 yeah... I think opie is underdeveloped or something Nov 08 16:00:55 oh, I haven't got mine working yet Nov 08 16:01:08 dohhhh Nov 08 16:01:09 haha Nov 08 16:01:13 is there anyway to reset to factory? Nov 08 16:01:21 im thinkinggg it might be prudent to wait a little while Nov 08 16:01:51 i mea how do you run the updater without the usb network connection? Nov 08 16:01:57 I guess if you backed up the factory images you just flash them *srug* Nov 08 16:02:25 err, you put those images on an sd of cf card. cvat format, root directory Nov 08 16:02:45 *vfat format Nov 08 16:02:56 yehh hmm ill try again with this image Nov 08 16:03:54 btw when you partition you need to make /dev/hda1 large, because that's where everythign is going to install to Nov 08 16:04:08 eekee: yeah i followed thos instructions verbatim Nov 08 16:04:31 eekee: i read something on the faq somewher eabout usb netowkring. something to do with 2.6 kernels auto shut down usb interfaces with too much power draw. or something Nov 08 16:05:35 *shrug* shouldn't affect networking to a desktop, and in any case the machine should be on external power when you're updating anyway Nov 08 16:06:15 eekee: yeah. Nov 08 16:06:25 eekee: either way, my usb netwokring aint working :D hehe Nov 08 16:06:51 eh, mine niether, I was thinking the other day I should really get it going, or get a wifi card Nov 08 16:07:23 i got a wifi card and it doesnt work. i think its kidna fussy Nov 08 16:07:50 the whole joke is its not even my zaurus, grrr Nov 08 16:07:56 fixing it for my dad Nov 08 16:08:08 bah lol, ok Nov 08 16:11:18 I shoulda got a wifi sd card with my first zaurus, but the guy I got that from was selling the wifi card seperately & I was lazy Nov 08 16:11:30 eekee: ahhh. Nov 08 16:11:37 eekee: to be clear, ahve you got a gui running? Nov 08 16:11:43 yeah, gpe Nov 08 16:12:24 and you used that x11 package? Nov 08 16:12:30 Actually I'm not sure that opie is an option at the moment, it may have fallen behind in development Nov 08 16:12:45 opie is dead for all practical matters Nov 08 16:13:03 k Nov 08 16:13:45 I used.. I think I used Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070804-spitz-installkit.tgz Nov 08 16:14:17 ok i think im using the updated version of that Nov 08 16:19:52 woo seems to be working Nov 08 16:20:21 why is the defualt font size always unreadable? argh Nov 08 16:23:14 bye Nov 08 16:28:27 alright im off to do some wntowrk interface faffing. thanks for your help eekee, everyone :) Nov 08 16:28:33 *network Nov 08 19:05:48 Hello All Nov 08 19:12:53 Hello, what about kernel libraries and headers? Nov 08 19:13:32 alexandr6625: kernel libraries? headers for userspace are in the linux-libc-headers package Nov 08 19:16:18 hmm, thank's. This libc I have with cross-compilation tools EABI, yes? Nov 08 21:56:02 hi guys Nov 08 22:06:52 hi andrea Nov 08 22:07:06 hi all Nov 08 22:14:52 Hello all. Nov 08 22:14:54 hi vanguard Nov 08 22:15:01 Hi mimecar Nov 08 22:16:14 hrw: You told me, that hostap is the correct driver for my Siemens C-1100 wlan card. How did you know this ? Nov 08 22:16:47 hrw: I found no information in the web, which could confirm this. Nov 08 22:16:59 you shown me pccardctl ident output Nov 08 22:17:09 it had d601, 0005 Ids Nov 08 22:17:14 Yes, I it did. Nov 08 22:17:29 which means "I am prism2 based card never mind what is written on me" Nov 08 22:17:59 Yes, prism2 is correct. Nov 08 22:18:29 I am just wondering, why orinoco is loaded, when it is available. Nov 08 22:18:53 Who is deciding this ???? Nov 08 22:19:08 orinoco also supports prism2 cards Nov 08 22:19:22 I understand. Nov 08 22:19:48 It seems, that orinoco supports power consumption, and hostap not. Nov 08 22:19:57 Flags VCC and VPP. Nov 08 22:20:05 Am I correct ? Nov 08 22:22:38 no idea Nov 08 22:22:45 never checked in this direction Nov 08 22:24:12 hrw: It seems, that with hostap the card is using much more power (and getting warmer), than with orinoco driver. But when you say: d501:0005 is telling "hostap is correct" I will check more. Nov 08 22:24:12 hrw: i've some angstrom images and i would like other peoople test it Nov 08 22:24:31 should i use angstrom website or should i upload it to a generic website ? Nov 08 22:24:41 hi hrw Nov 08 22:25:10 mimecar: non-opie ones? are all their content is in OE? Nov 08 22:25:18 hi andrea Nov 08 22:25:26 only gpe Nov 08 22:25:36 vanguard: if hostap use more power then it is worth checking why Nov 08 22:25:45 I'm writing an how-to for using cf-card + bluetooth ... Nov 08 22:25:53 currently all the content is from OE monotone database Nov 08 22:26:11 ..but as I told you I cannot build gpsd anymore ! Nov 08 22:26:12 i haven't added new patches actually bit i want do it (on a near future) Nov 08 22:26:13 mimecar: you can upload them somewhere and write to angstrom ML, you can also contact koen to get access to angstrom website Nov 08 22:26:38 i send an email (as koen said me) no reply actually :( Nov 08 22:26:43 I filed a bug (3276) Nov 08 22:27:00 strange, because till last week all was building ok Nov 08 22:27:17 hrw: I discovered (using the GUI for pcmcia/cf), that hostap is using other flags than orionoco. Nov 08 22:28:22 hrw: Using hostap is consumpting the battery very fast. Just about two - three hours with hostap, about 6 hours with orinoco. Nov 08 22:28:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1O2jcfOylU Nov 08 22:29:48 I suppose, the hostap-driver is not switching power down or is using wrong power levels at the card. Sry, I cannot explain better. Nov 08 22:30:59 hrw: Should I report a bug ??? Nov 08 22:31:06 I have a socket card (orinoco) and a d-link (prism). Last time I checked the power man were disabled for both... Nov 08 22:31:26 andrea: What card do you have ? Nov 08 22:31:38 andrea: which chipset... Nov 08 22:32:05 socket low power wlan card Nov 08 22:32:24 dlink dcf-660w +upgraded fw Nov 08 22:32:47 wait a minute i give you manfid... Nov 08 22:32:54 andrea: I was using a DCF-650 before, but now I use a Siemens C-1100. Nov 08 22:33:01 andrea: i have that wifi card Nov 08 22:33:07 what's the problem ? Nov 08 22:33:18 s*it..the Zaurus never resumes... Nov 08 22:34:28 andrea: Did you try to disable the IRQ-check ? Nov 08 22:34:34 dcf-660w is prism2 Nov 08 22:34:46 same ids as c-1100 Nov 08 22:34:47 i think so Nov 08 22:34:52 d601, 0005 - I have one Nov 08 22:35:01 sometimes it even works Nov 08 22:35:17 squeack! Nov 08 22:35:31 andrea: Do you use hostap or orinoco ? Nov 08 22:35:41 I suspect broken pcb in my card Nov 08 22:36:01 actually the d-link just works Nov 08 22:36:39 whith hostap_cs and orinoco_cs Nov 08 22:37:05 night all Nov 08 22:37:06 andrea: Yes, the same at my card, but hostap is using a lot of power. Nov 08 22:37:17 as long as you do not need wpa you can use orinoco Nov 08 22:37:29 hostap is needed only for wpa basically Nov 08 22:37:56 at home I don't use wpa but in office Nov 08 22:38:04 hrw: o.k., and how is kismet working with orinoco ? Nov 08 22:38:21 ah, the orinoco is eth0 Nov 08 22:38:29 no idea Nov 08 22:38:34 andrea: Yes. Nov 08 22:38:41 horrible mess with the billonton lan card Nov 08 22:38:49 real eth0 Nov 08 22:39:01 yeah Nov 08 22:39:25 * hrw -> sleep Nov 08 22:39:26 bye Nov 08 22:39:28 hrw: why is wpa not working with orinoco ? Nov 08 22:39:38 bye hrw, thanks for help !! Nov 08 22:40:20 i read something in the debian threads about mountin it with -automount or something similar Nov 08 22:41:28 'night marcin Nov 08 22:41:41 andrea: What do want to mount ? Nov 08 22:42:12 it was about the wifi card as eth0 or eth2..let me find it Nov 08 22:42:38 andrea: When you use orinoco, the device is eth0. Nov 08 22:43:20 vanguard: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24994&hl=eth0 Nov 08 22:43:39 allow-hotplug eth0 Nov 08 22:45:17 vanguard: manfid of socket card Nov 08 22:45:41 I have just read. Nov 08 22:45:59 "Socket" "CF+ LP WLAN Card Rev A" 1.00 0104,0001 FUNCID=6 Nov 08 22:46:11 But I do not quite understand his problem. Nov 08 22:46:58 i was lurking today the debian threads... Nov 08 22:49:23 By the way: To get hostap running, you have to deinstall the kernel-module-orinoc. Otherwise , it will alway load orinoco. Nov 08 22:49:53 correct Nov 08 22:50:23 i remember I tried to drive the socket card with hostap Nov 08 22:50:30 to have wpa Nov 08 22:50:34 This problem is not only angstrom related, it is a general problem, also in Ubuntu i.e. (there were some threads in the forum) Nov 08 22:50:41 this was 3 years ago ! Nov 08 22:51:09 They suggest, to blacklist the drivers. Nov 08 22:51:27 Some /etc/hotplug/blacklist..... Nov 08 22:51:57 btw spectrum_cs + orinoco works beautifully (no wpa) Nov 08 22:52:15 Yes, confirm. Nov 08 22:52:44 see, now I'm spending time on bluetooth Nov 08 22:52:49 I never need wpa ( most of the AP use wep). Nov 08 22:52:53 really don't use wifi alot Nov 08 22:53:09 because of the powetr man issues Nov 08 22:53:19 BT I do only use with my cell plhone. Nov 08 22:53:40 now I'm investigating bt GP Nov 08 22:53:47 GPS Nov 08 22:54:10 there are promising softwares: navit for one Nov 08 22:54:18 but it is a beast to build... Nov 08 22:54:27 Yes, I saw it at freshmeat. Nov 08 22:54:33 lolk Nov 08 22:54:43 i built the cvs and works Nov 08 22:54:48 I want to get access to O Nov 08 22:54:52 I want to get access to O2 Nov 08 22:55:25 As I can use a flat rate (WAP), it would be nice, if it would work with BT. Nov 08 22:55:35 I see Nov 08 22:56:23 But neither with my notebook nor with my Z it is possible, to use the flat rate. Normal GPRS operation is possible. Nov 08 22:56:41 vanguard, gprs is slow as hell... Nov 08 22:56:57 I now, I use it ;-) Nov 08 22:57:00 it is fast enough, for getting e-mails. Nov 08 22:57:12 :) Nov 08 22:57:15 s/now/know/ Nov 08 22:57:36 But I want to use the FLAT RATE ! Nov 08 22:57:40 and dl the maps for gpsdrive Nov 08 22:58:12 btw the ppp dialer (gkdial) is a pain! Nov 08 22:58:13 Uh, the maps will last very long. Are you in Germany ? Nov 08 22:58:20 no, Italy Nov 08 22:58:48 btw the maps are small Nov 08 22:59:01 the gif maps Nov 08 22:59:10 Yes, we have some web sites with city maps. Nov 08 22:59:24 But it is forbidden, to download them. Nov 08 22:59:37 :) But who cares.... Nov 08 23:00:00 only for personal purpose, Telecom should pay these for us, gprs downloaders ;-) Nov 08 23:01:12 ok, let's go zzz. Nov 08 23:01:15 nite Nov 08 23:01:22 Yes, sleep well ! Nov 08 23:37:04 koen|away, ping Nov 08 23:39:32 Is there an x86 target for angstrom ? Nov 08 23:41:04 (prebuilt image I mean, I know there are packages in the feed) Nov 08 23:48:20 codyl: qemux86 and guiness are x86 Nov 08 23:48:41 progear is also x86 Nov 08 23:56:07 bye Nov 09 02:26:49 I just received my C3100, and it's still in Japanese... I'm trying to find where the terminal app is... can anyone give a pointer? :) Nov 09 02:41:26 Iceshadow: um, monitor icon with a black screen.. :D might be easier to use the menu instead of the icons - that's the green Q button in the bottom left Nov 09 02:43:09 strangely, such a thing i can't find. Nov 09 02:43:18 that's in just the base ROM from manufacturer? Nov 09 02:44:10 wierd... there was one on my C3200 and my um, collie, in the manufacturer roms... I dunno **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 09 02:59:57 2007