**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:56 2007
Nov 13 07:30:18 <summatusmentis> XorA|gone: poing
Nov 13 07:30:20 <summatusmentis> ping*
Nov 13 07:30:25 <summatusmentis> hrw|gone: ping
Nov 13 07:32:11 <summatusmentis> koen: ping
Nov 13 10:20:18 <lumag> morning!
Nov 13 10:24:45 <webmind> good morning
Nov 13 10:34:46 <hrw> summatusmentis: pong
Nov 13 10:49:37 <rgd2> pong
Nov 13 10:50:21 <ABC|dOC> hi there
Nov 13 11:05:22 <rgd2> heya
Nov 13 15:26:21 <hx2k> hi
Nov 13 16:19:54 <vanguard> hrw: Hi ! I now found out, why orinoco drivers are loaded, when they are available. It is because the kernel does it, and the orinoco drivers are NOT affected by the autoloader of the kernel. So, there is no other way, to inhibit orinoco drivers to load, than to deinstall them. Orinoco drivers are runninmg fine, when you need no WPA, but hostap drivers should be poreferred, whenever available.
Nov 13 16:21:39 <hrw> orinoco and hostap are autoloaded because you inserted card which both supports
Nov 13 16:21:45 <vanguard> hrw: This is just for your info, but maybe, you know it already. BTW: Did I tell you my card is 0xd501 or 0xd601 ? I suppose, both are hostap, are they ?
Nov 13 16:22:01 <hrw> d601, 0005 is yours
Nov 13 16:22:16 <vanguard> Yes, that's right.
Nov 13 16:22:36 <vanguard> I know, orinoco supports hostap, too, but no WPA.
Nov 13 16:22:50 <vanguard> I googled and read a lot. 
Nov 13 16:22:52 <hrw> no
Nov 13 16:23:04 <hrw> orinoco supports *prism2* cards
Nov 13 16:23:04 <vanguard> No ???
Nov 13 16:23:09 <vanguard> Yes.
Nov 13 16:23:10 <hrw> hostap supports *prism2* cards
Nov 13 16:23:15 <vanguard> Yes.
Nov 13 16:23:24 <hrw> you told 'orinoco supports hostap'
Nov 13 16:23:29 <vanguard> Yes.
Nov 13 16:23:48 <hrw> instead of 'orinoco supports cards supported by hostap'
Nov 13 16:24:05 <vanguard> Yes. You are right, it was that, what I meant.
Nov 13 16:24:19 <hrw> english is not my native
Nov 13 16:24:29 * hrw -> gym
Nov 13 16:24:31 <hrw> bye
Nov 13 16:24:33 <vanguard> And mine not, as well
Nov 13 16:24:36 <vanguard> bye
Nov 13 16:25:01 <hrw> I do not speak german ;)
Nov 13 16:25:44 <vanguard> No problem. I just wanted to give you the info, so you will not look at buigs. There are no bugs IMO.
Nov 13 16:25:55 <vanguard> bye hrw|gone 
Nov 13 16:39:40 <vanguard> hi dcordes 
Nov 13 16:42:04 <dcordes> hey
Nov 13 16:44:47 <vanguard> I was not here yesterday. Could you help daredings ?
Nov 13 16:45:08 <vanguard> You know, the guy without wifi....
Nov 13 16:45:40 <dcordes> ah wait. daresbalat?
Nov 13 16:45:58 <dcordes> didn't he manage with CoreDump's help to get his usb0 running?
Nov 13 16:46:10 <vanguard> No, he didn`t.
Nov 13 16:46:55 <vanguard> He wanted to be here yesterday, but I was offline. I thought, you have been here, so I ask.
Nov 13 16:47:01 <dcordes> I would _really_ like to know why hostap_cs support was ripped off the kernel in angstrom images!
Nov 13 16:47:10 <dcordes> hrw|gone, could you help me with this question?
Nov 13 16:47:33 <vanguard> dcordes: It isn`t !
Nov 13 16:47:50 <dcordes> why do we have to install the modules then in order to get prism cf working??
Nov 13 16:48:03 <dcordes> Iirc in former images it worked
Nov 13 16:48:04 <vanguard> Just deinstall orinoco and of you go.
Nov 13 16:49:17 <dcordes> I would like to try but I'm not going to reflash w/o good reasons right now
Nov 13 16:49:53 <dcordes> I spent some time in setting up my current flash
Nov 13 16:50:31 <vanguard> Just deinstall it with ipkg --force-depends --recursive remove '*orinoco*'
Nov 13 16:51:06 <dcordes> why didn't you tell this daresbalat guy?
Nov 13 16:51:20 <dcordes> if that's all..
Nov 13 16:53:46 <vanguard> This was not the problem he had.
Nov 13 16:54:39 <vanguard> He got the pcmcia-modules not loaded (and installed), not the hostap-modules.
Nov 13 16:55:15 <vanguard> Else he did not report his trouble correctly.
Nov 13 16:58:00 <dcordes> vanguard, ah yea you right. I got pcmcia and hostap confused
Nov 13 16:58:13 <dcordes> So why did they drop pcmcia support in angstrom kernels?
Nov 13 16:58:35 <vanguard> THIS I can NOT explain. :)
Nov 13 16:58:37 <dcordes> I could believe 2.6.23 was too big and they had to drop space
Nov 13 16:59:03 <vanguard> Then ist would be easier, to drop some application.
Nov 13 16:59:15 <dcordes> to make sure all machines keep supported
Nov 13 17:02:26 <vanguard> Do not know. Might be some reason.........
Nov 13 17:22:18 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: that should have been fixed a few weeks ago, 2 or 3
Nov 13 17:23:11 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, can't be. I made a fresh spitz image for the guy who had the problem
Nov 13 17:23:53 <dcordes> that was saturday I think
Nov 13 17:24:54 <Zero_Chaos> oh, only tested akita.
Nov 13 17:24:57 <Zero_Chaos> that may be the issue
Nov 13 17:26:40 <dcordes> the image I run (also had the no-pcmcia-support-issue with it) is from 2007-11-03
Nov 13 17:28:36 <Zero_Chaos> odd
Nov 13 17:29:03 <dcordes> yep
Nov 13 17:44:15 <koen> tosa candy: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/tosa/20071113/
Nov 13 17:45:03 <Crofton> I need to update images for OSK ....
Nov 13 17:45:13 <Crofton> this week, I will clean them up
Nov 13 17:45:37 <Crofton> koen, if I update images, the exisitng arm5 ipks will work ?
Nov 13 17:45:46 <Crofton> I only need to upload the base intall images?
Nov 13 17:45:49 <koen> why wouldn't they?
Nov 13 17:46:04 <Crofton> that is what I hope :)
Nov 13 17:46:21 * Crofton also needs to figure out where his key is ...
Nov 13 18:24:21 <Crofton> bugger, I have lost my angstrom priv key ....
Nov 13 18:28:40 <jadm> moin-moin
Nov 13 18:42:33 <mimeca1> hi
Nov 13 18:48:00 <dcordes> koen, why candy?
Nov 13 18:48:05 <dcordes> something special about the build?
Nov 13 18:56:24 <mimecar> hi dcordes
Nov 13 19:00:39 <dcordes> yo mimecar 
Nov 13 19:02:24 <mimecar> koen are you here ?
Nov 13 19:18:27 <mimecar> dcordes: I have a question related with angstrom ans translations
Nov 13 19:19:20 <mimecar> have you some minutes ;)?
Nov 13 19:42:02 <mimecar> hi memeruiz
Nov 13 19:49:11 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Nov 13 19:54:23 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Nov 13 19:54:34 <summatusmentis> XorA: are you around?
Nov 13 20:19:37 <g4lv4tr0n> hi which is faster gpe or e17 ?
Nov 13 20:19:58 <mimecar> i think gpe is faster
Nov 13 20:20:10 <g4lv4tr0n> cool
Nov 13 20:20:19 <g4lv4tr0n> what model u got ?
Nov 13 20:20:51 <g4lv4tr0n> i got poodle
Nov 13 20:20:52 <mimecar> zaurus c1000
Nov 13 20:21:19 <mimecar> i haven't test enlightment, but it use more resources for graphics
Nov 13 20:21:34 <g4lv4tr0n> ah ok
Nov 13 20:21:41 <g4lv4tr0n> i used to like opie :)
Nov 13 20:21:59 <summatusmentis> opie is ok, for purely pda stuff
Nov 13 20:22:41 <g4lv4tr0n> do you use gpe ?
Nov 13 20:23:42 <g4lv4tr0n> i just installed gpe on poodle and noticed it runs a lot quicker on angstrom than oz :))
Nov 13 20:23:50 <summatusmentis> I do, but I haven't been doing a lot w/ my 3200 since I got to college, and the wireless blows
Nov 13 20:24:18 <g4lv4tr0n> is it possible to install java support on angstrom
Nov 13 20:24:31 <g4lv4tr0n> i still have the oz ipks ?
Nov 13 20:25:48 <summatusmentis> I think there is java in the repos as well, but I don't know enough about it
Nov 13 20:27:54 <mimecar> g4lv4tr0n: there's jakarta
Nov 13 20:28:06 <mimecar> i don't know it status on angstrom
Nov 13 20:31:56 <summatusmentis> Does anyone do usb networking here?
Nov 13 20:33:04 <mimecar> summatusmentis: I
Nov 13 20:37:59 <summatusmentis> mimecar: do you ever have troubles getting DNS on your zaurus?
Nov 13 20:38:11 <mimecar> yes
Nov 13 20:38:19 <mimecar> i add it manually
Nov 13 20:39:37 <pH5> hm. don't we have a mechanism to auto-set /etc/resolv.conf from udhcpc?
Nov 13 20:40:03 <summatusmentis> I forgot to turn on internet forwarding, that's my bad
Nov 13 20:40:34 <mimecar> pH5: with my router, i can't use dhcp, for some strange reason (on linux only)
Nov 13 20:53:23 <dcordes> mimecar, sorry no idea about translations. take a look at the locale recipes for your product if any
Nov 13 20:53:54 <mimecar> ok
Nov 13 20:54:02 <mimecar> i fixed the "problem"
Nov 13 20:55:01 <dcordes> mimecar, what was wrong?
Nov 13 20:55:25 <mimecar> i had some questions related with distribution of translations
Nov 13 20:55:47 <mimecar> mixed with the angstrom compilation
Nov 13 20:57:13 <dcordes> mimecar, ah i see
Nov 13 20:59:49 <XorA> summatusmentis: whats up?, only got a few mins
Nov 13 21:03:37 <summatusmentis> XorA: I was wondering about your moving most of your efforts to openmoko
Nov 13 21:03:50 <XorA> summatusmentis: I work for them
Nov 13 21:04:18 <summatusmentis> oh.. so it looks like you, koen, and hrw are shifting focus?
Nov 13 21:04:34 <summatusmentis> where does that leave Angstrom?
Nov 13 21:04:50 <XorA> summatusmentis: well since I bought a gp2x I used zaurus less anyway, but I work for openmoko so that just meant even less time
Nov 13 21:05:06 <XorA> summatusmentis: I still work on Angstrom, just dont have time to mentor Zaurus machines
Nov 13 21:05:24 <summatusmentis> mm... gp2x is... the gaming machine right?
Nov 13 21:05:40 <XorA> summatusmentis: gaming and hardware mpeg4
Nov 13 21:05:57 <summatusmentis> I'm just kinda anxious as to the future of the zaurus, specifically, I feel like Angstrom and openmoko are melding anywya
Nov 13 21:05:59 <summatusmentis> anyway*
Nov 13 21:06:31 <XorA> well stanislav (probably wrong spelling) sounds eager to take over as C3X00 maintainer
Nov 13 21:07:11 <summatusmentis> I'd be willing to help w/ 5500, but I likely lack the coding experience
Nov 13 21:07:21 * XorA still has a 5500 :-)
Nov 13 21:07:26 <summatusmentis> I've got a 5500 and 3200, that's it
Nov 13 21:07:53 <XorA> just sold my C860, so Ive got a 5500 and 3200
Nov 13 21:08:29 <summatusmentis> mm, I need to figure out the best way to get OE setup on my macbook, and then get back integrated into the community
Nov 13 21:08:38 <summatusmentis> adjusting everything to college life is weird
Nov 13 21:09:00 <XorA> heh heh, anyway I is off again
Nov 13 21:09:22 <summatusmentis> ok, I'll try and keep updated as to the status of the Z in angstrom
Nov 13 21:31:59 <mimecar> re
Nov 13 21:45:42 <mimecar> koen|away: have you free time now?
Nov 13 22:01:40 * koen mentions 'mailinglists' in combination with 'questions'
Nov 13 22:02:08 <mimecar> i sent two emails to mailing list...
Nov 13 22:02:15 <summatusmentis> DEAR GOD, I need to start updating more frequently
Nov 13 22:02:49 <mimecar> the first 2 of nov
Nov 13 22:08:02 <g4lv4tr0n> hi ive installed console image on my poodle. ive configured /etc/network/interfaces but when i ifconfig -a there is no wlan0 ??? do i need to install any hostap drivers ?
Nov 13 22:10:38 <summatusmentis> what card do you have g4lv4tr0n 
Nov 13 23:05:11 <hrw|gone_> re
Nov 13 23:05:49 <dcordes> hey HRH_H_Crab 
Nov 13 23:05:58 <dcordes> oops sorry. hrw I mean
Nov 13 23:06:36 <dcordes> I've been asking earlier if there is any reason why pcmcia stuff was taken out of zaurus kernel. People keep coming and complaining about their prism hardware not working
Nov 13 23:07:49 <dcordes> were there any issues with image size?
Nov 13 23:08:28 <hrw> c7x0 and akita got pcmcia into modules
Nov 13 23:08:51 <hrw> and those modules should be fetched automatically when they do ipkg update;ipkg upgrade
Nov 13 23:19:21 <dcordes> hrw, what about the other zauri?
Nov 13 23:19:44 <hrw> pcmcia in kernel like it was
Nov 13 23:30:18 <scruggs> anyone know if there is a javascript-enabled browser that can be built for angstrom?
Nov 13 23:36:03 <hrw> someone here use BT headset or headphones with linux?
Nov 13 23:54:15 <dcordes> hrw, I tried out a BT headset once in ubuntu
Nov 13 23:54:29 <dcordes> but I had to return it because it was total crap (the headset, not ubuntu)
Nov 13 23:55:22 <dcordes> there was a comrpehensive and well working guide in the ubuntu wiki
Nov 14 00:05:08 <dcordes> hrw, do you have problems connecting?
Nov 14 00:05:12 <dcordes> bt/linux
Nov 14 00:12:33 <hrw> dcordes: I connected bt headphones, I can play a2dp but no recording
Nov 14 00:15:16 <dcordes> hrw, do you get a soundcard added?
Nov 14 00:15:24 <CoreDump> buying a BT headset is on my todo list as well
Nov 14 00:15:30 <dcordes> /proc/asound/cards
Nov 14 00:15:53 <hrw> dcordes: I have it in ~/.asoundrc but not in /proc/asound/cards
Nov 14 00:16:57 <dcordes> hm no idea. All I know about it is http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bluetooth_Headset
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