**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 16 02:59:58 2007
Nov 16 05:06:56 <noosphere> does pidgin on angstrom support msn? i can only see googletalk, irc and another one
Nov 16 05:21:38 <noosphere> sorted it
Nov 16 05:46:53 <noosphere> angstrom is amazing! just thought i would share that obvious fact :) its a little nugget of joy
Nov 16 05:47:22 <noosphere> well done to all involved :)
Nov 16 08:26:55 <summatusmentis> is there anyone around?
Nov 16 08:32:53 <XorA> no
Nov 16 08:34:01 <summatusmentis> XorA: is there anyway I can make the icons on the bottom three tabs of openmoko-browser2 more understandable? I'm running it on my 3200, and it's definitely a nice browser, the interface is just a bit weird is all
Nov 16 08:34:28 <XorA> summatusmentis: no idea, I don't really use it
Nov 16 08:34:58 <XorA> summatusmentis: probably better question for #openmoko when it warms up
Nov 16 08:35:55 <summatusmentis> XorA: oh, ok, thanks
Nov 16 08:36:23 <summatusmentis> is there a way to make icons for things like wifi-radar and wireshark to show up on the 'desktop' of gpe?
Nov 16 08:37:00 <koen> install a .desktop file for them :)
Nov 16 08:37:33 <summatusmentis> I should ask these questions tomorrow when I've got time to look them up :-D it's almost 3am here
Nov 16 08:38:08 <summatusmentis> koen: quickly though, what sort of things are machine mentors required to do? specifically for the 5500? I'm interested in keeping the zaurus a viable machine
Nov 16 08:38:53 <koen> testing images from the autobuilder and look after bugs for their machine in bugzilla
Nov 16 08:39:36 <summatusmentis> by look after bugs, you mean fix them?
Nov 16 08:39:49 <koen> ideally, yes
Nov 16 08:40:15 <summatusmentis> so someone lacking major coding experience wouldn't be the best person for the job
Nov 16 08:40:36 <koen> why?
Nov 16 08:40:40 <koen> I can't code
Nov 16 08:40:46 <koen> and I seem to manage pretty well :)
Nov 16 08:41:12 <summatusmentis> well, I assumed 'ideally, yes' meant that that's what people were looking for
Nov 16 08:41:45 <summatusmentis> I'm a freshman CSCI major, so I'll be learning coding/etc. I just don't know very much of it yet
Nov 16 08:42:05 <koen> well, you seem eager to give collie some love, it would be stupid to say "you can't code 1000 lines of C in 5 seconds, go away", wouldn't it?
Nov 16 08:42:22 <summatusmentis> fair enough, fair enough
Nov 16 08:42:35 <summatusmentis> I've got a collie, and I don't want it to just disappear
Nov 16 08:44:59 <koen> summatusmentis: you should talk to mimecar, he also wants to support collie
Nov 16 08:45:25 <summatusmentis> is a 'joint machine mentor' setup kosher?
Nov 16 08:50:52 <summatusmentis> koen: alright, I'll talk to mimecar tomorrow, and get back to you as to whether or not I can make that commitment, now, bed
Nov 16 08:52:50 * XorA is a bad openmoko employee :-)
Nov 16 08:58:12 <koen> XorA: what did you do now?
Nov 16 08:58:27 <XorA> koen: bought a HTC kaiser :-)
Nov 16 08:58:53 <koen> does it run linux?
Nov 16 08:58:55 * koen hides
Nov 16 08:59:20 <XorA> well its broadcom so I think a good possibilty :-)
Nov 16 09:00:02 <koen> are you going to linux your old htc?
Nov 16 09:00:19 <XorA> koen: probably, I heard there was some movement on Wizard
Nov 16 09:00:51 * koen wonders why the htc hackers are so secretive and NIH sensitive
Nov 16 09:01:08 * koen ponders switching htc universal over to linux-rp
Nov 16 09:01:32 <koen> I bet goxboxlive will say we deleted linux-handhelds or something like that if we do that
Nov 16 09:10:38 <XorA> havent seen him around for ages
Nov 16 09:10:56 <koen> I bet someone deleted his irc client
Nov 16 09:14:26 <koen> the thing that pisses me off is this: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/
Nov 16 09:14:48 <koen> putting angstrom images online without telling anyone in the angstrom community
Nov 16 09:56:34 <lumag> hi!
Nov 16 10:17:35 <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/ is starting to fill up
Nov 16 10:19:03 <koen> XorA: still interesting in .deb based images for your toys?
Nov 16 10:19:33 <XorA> koen: when I get time yeah
Nov 16 10:21:09 <koen> echo ANGSTROM_PKG_FORMAT=deb >> conf/auto.conf ; bitbake <foo>
Nov 16 10:21:22 <koen> it will only re-run do_package :)
Nov 16 10:30:36 <hrw> how much time does autobuild for all machines take?
Nov 16 10:40:28 <hrw> koen|awa2: ?
Nov 16 11:02:26 <koen> hrw: 3 to 4 days to build glibc and uclibc
Nov 16 12:41:34 <vanguard> Hi all
Nov 16 12:42:05 <vanguard> added a lot of bugs into the bugtracker. Sorry for this !
Nov 16 12:46:23 <hrw> do not be so sorry 
Nov 16 12:46:31 <hrw> better know about bugs then do not
Nov 16 12:54:56 <dcordes> hey hrw vanguard
Nov 16 12:55:04 * hrw -> shop
Nov 16 12:55:21 <vanguard> hi dcordes 
Nov 16 12:55:26 <vanguard> :)
Nov 16 12:55:42 <vanguard> I added all the bugs I found. 
Nov 16 12:56:05 <vanguard> But I think, I still forgot some.
Nov 16 12:58:44 <vanguard> dcordes: Did you tell about "suspend does not work, when closing the lid" ?
Nov 16 12:59:07 <vanguard> dcordes: You are right, it does not work for me, too.
Nov 16 13:02:06 <dcordes> vanguard: backlight off on lid close not wokring
Nov 16 13:02:22 <dcordes> it does standby (though after some time) not when I close the lid.
Nov 16 13:02:30 <dcordes> vanguard: did you confirm X11 bug?
Nov 16 13:02:43 <vanguard> Yes, confirm.
Nov 16 13:03:02 <vanguard> This worked some time for me, but now no more.
Nov 16 13:03:45 <dcordes> great
Nov 16 13:03:47 <vanguard> I tested it yesterday, and the light did not go off.
Nov 16 13:04:01 <dcordes> yea that's annoying.
Nov 16 13:04:21 <dcordes> did you test the pimlico applications?
Nov 16 13:04:26 <vanguard> When it worked, it switched off after some time, when closing the lid. 
Nov 16 13:04:44 <vanguard> I tested them, yes, but I am not so fond of it.
Nov 16 13:04:59 <dcordes> vanguard: I meant this bug by x11 bug: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231
Nov 16 13:05:10 <dcordes> if you filed a new one, please mark it as duplicate of my one
Nov 16 13:06:23 <vanguard> No, I cannot confirm that bug. Which image did you install ?
Nov 16 13:09:20 <vanguard> I have a very old one installed (20070808 or so), and only flashed the kernel. Ipkg upgrade did make all my applications new.
Nov 16 13:09:35 <vanguard> So my system is new at all.
Nov 16 13:10:16 <Stephmw> XorA: guess I should really chat in here, rather than clutter up #om :)
Nov 16 13:24:55 <XorA> Stephmw: heh heh
Nov 16 13:31:55 <Stephmw> XorA: I'll start playing seriously this weekend
Nov 16 13:43:32 <koen_> hey Stephmw !
Nov 16 13:44:17 <Stephmw> ;)
Nov 16 13:46:05 <XorA> Stephmw: is our new c7x0 maintainer :-)
Nov 16 13:46:19 <XorA> his IQ has been dropped the compulsary 30 pts :_)
Nov 16 13:47:20 * Stephmw runs away screaming
Nov 16 13:48:51 <koen_> I think Stephmw can afford that :)
Nov 16 16:31:19 <Stephmw> XorA: is there a list of bugs I should start at for this beast?
Nov 16 16:31:33 * Stephmw starts thinking about a new UE layer...
Nov 16 16:34:48 * kellyh should dig her C860 out and flash it with Angstrom to give it another try
Nov 16 16:35:38 * XorA denies all knowlegde of C860 devices
Nov 16 16:35:52 <hrw> c860 does not exists
Nov 16 16:36:18 <Stephmw> I seeee
Nov 16 16:36:34 <kellyh> it is in reality a slightly altered C760 isn't it?
Nov 16 16:36:47 <hrw> only case color differ
Nov 16 16:36:49 <Stephmw> so I can perpetrate any type of atrocity I want on this poor defenceless box?
Nov 16 16:37:03 <hrw> c760 is white, c860 is not
Nov 16 16:38:43 <kellyh> I've been thinking about a replacement for it recently.
Nov 16 16:39:01 <kellyh> sadly a C3200 doesn't seem cost effective for me
Nov 16 16:39:43 <Stephmw> what's the incentive for the upgrade?
Nov 16 16:39:48 <Stephmw> the hdd or the cpu?
Nov 16 16:40:04 <kellyh> more features would be good (hardware)
Nov 16 16:40:11 <kellyh> I was looking at a Nokia N810
Nov 16 16:40:34 <kellyh> till I got my iBook my Zaurus was my only portable wifi capable device
Nov 16 16:40:52 <kellyh> its kinda been relegated to an MP3 player and wifi spotter pretty much
Nov 16 16:43:20 <kellyh> I shall however do a NAND backup of the current cacko install and give Angstrom a try and see how well it works for my needs, it may make it more usuable to me
Nov 16 17:00:40 <hrw> I would not go into sl-c3x00 zaurus now
Nov 16 17:00:49 <hrw> n810 has more features
Nov 16 17:03:14 <kellyh> hrw: that was my thought
Nov 16 17:03:41 <kellyh> unless i got offered a C3x00 dirt cheap (highly unlikely) an N810 seems a better investment
Nov 16 17:03:54 <kellyh> GPS and bluetooth are useful features to me
Nov 16 17:04:18 <kellyh> although it'd be ironic mounting the N810 with GPS in my 1974 Viva really ;)
Nov 16 17:07:17 * koen can't wait to run an angstrom based maemo image on his n810
Nov 16 17:08:51 * koen goes back to reading datasheets
Nov 16 17:13:56 * hrw do not plan to run angstrom on 770
Nov 16 17:14:24 <kellyh> thing that swung Nxxx for me is the N810 now has a keyboard
Nov 16 17:17:16 <hrw> for me it would be 9th pda
Nov 16 17:19:34 <kellyh> its only 
Nov 16 17:19:35 <kellyh> oops
Nov 16 17:19:39 <kellyh> it'd only be the f
Nov 16 17:19:41 <kellyh> damn
Nov 16 17:19:49 * kellyh rubs warmth into her fingers, work damn you
Nov 16 17:19:52 <kellyh> it'd e
Nov 16 17:19:56 <kellyh> grrr
Nov 16 17:20:22 <kellyh> it'd be only the 3rd pda i'd of owned
Nov 16 17:23:09 <Stephmw> I'm probably likely to try to pervert my Zaurus... something to do with Java
Nov 16 17:23:54 * kellyh is tempted by an iPod touch too mind
Nov 16 17:24:18 <summatusmentis> I want a neo, but I can't use it, so I'll stick to my zaurus for a while
Nov 16 17:24:41 <summatusmentis> Stephmw: how do you plan on doing that?
Nov 16 17:24:50 <summatusmentis> just a JRE on Angstrom?
Nov 16 17:32:56 <hrw> bye
Nov 16 18:08:48 <dcordes> hey all
Nov 16 18:09:28 <Stephmw> howdy
Nov 16 18:09:33 <Stephmw> ... woops, missed summa
Nov 16 18:09:50 <dcordes> Stephmw: summa?
Nov 16 18:09:56 <Stephmw> dcordes: summatusmentis#
Nov 16 18:10:07 <Stephmw> he'd asked me a question but I was busy in another window
Nov 16 18:10:36 <dcordes> java in angstrom/OE would be nice
Nov 16 18:11:16 <dcordes> so you can run cheap cellphone games on the zaurus :D
Nov 16 18:13:29 <Stephmw> there's issues with that, but not insurmountable ones ;)
Nov 16 18:13:47 <kellyh> if sun fully open source java it might be a bit easier perhaps
Nov 16 18:13:53 <Stephmw> J2SE is probably a better first step, then some level of desktop integration *then* J2ME
Nov 16 18:14:10 <Stephmw> kellyh: for J2ME, what they've got out there is sufficient
Nov 16 18:14:10 <dcordes> I always thought java would be oss
Nov 16 18:14:28 <kellyh> do the C7x0 and Cxx0 cpus have enough oomf for java?
Nov 16 18:14:39 <Stephmw> the bits that Sun are having troubles with in J2SE aren't really important for mobile games
Nov 16 18:14:44 <kellyh> Stephmw: aren't they merging the two together?
Nov 16 18:14:46 <Stephmw> kellyh: for J2ME, certainly
Nov 16 18:14:51 <dcordes> kellyh: what's oomf? C1000 here
Nov 16 18:14:59 <kellyh> dcordes: oomf = power
Nov 16 18:15:07 <Stephmw> kellyh: meh, merging, I'll believe that when I see it :)
Nov 16 18:15:18 <Stephmw> J2SE... yes, but it'd have to be optimised
Nov 16 18:15:31 <kellyh> JIT you mean?
Nov 16 18:15:35 <Stephmw> no
Nov 16 18:15:45 <Stephmw> the class libraries need work ;)
Nov 16 18:15:50 <dcordes> kellyh: did you flash angstrom yet?
Nov 16 18:15:55 <kellyh> dcordes: nope
Nov 16 18:15:59 <Stephmw> they're not particularly memory efficient as written
Nov 16 18:16:02 <kellyh> i'll probably do it next week
Nov 16 18:16:03 <dcordes> running OZ?
Nov 16 18:16:09 <kellyh> dcordes: cacko
Nov 16 18:16:48 <kellyh> i need to work out where my mains unit went
Nov 16 18:16:54 <dcordes> hm never tried that. When I got my akita early this year, it came with sharp rom. Then I tried OZ and later switched to angstrom.
Nov 16 18:16:56 <kellyh> my bedroom needs a bit of a tidy up..
Nov 16 18:17:16 <Stephmw> tbh, after having worked with SavaJe on a machine with less oomf than the Cxx0, I quite like the idea of the full UE being in Java ;)
Nov 16 18:17:19 <kellyh> dcordes: I tried OZ on my C860 and it just didn't work for me I found
Nov 16 18:17:57 <dcordes> I didn't really try it when I realized it was obsolete and replaced by angstrom
Nov 16 18:18:02 * kellyh is kinda recovering from major surgery at present, so can't do a great deal annoyingly
Nov 16 18:19:21 <Stephmw> kellyh: Ow. What have you had done?
Nov 16 18:20:11 <kellyh> Stephmw: the nature of the surgery i'd rather not say.. it was rather.. personal :/
Nov 16 18:20:45 <Stephmw> kellyh: That's ok, hope you're out and about soon then ;-)
Nov 16 18:21:11 <kellyh> Stephmw: i'm out and about, just don't feel upto crawling around searching for cables and stuff
Nov 16 18:23:12 <dcordes> kellyh: I wish good recovery (or whatever that's called)
Nov 16 18:23:50 <kellyh> dcordes: thanks, recovery goes well so far, just slow is all, not wishing to rush stuff etc
Nov 16 18:24:12 <Stephmw> dcordes: so anyway, the biggest issue with J2ME games is forward-locking
Nov 16 18:24:31 <Stephmw> dcordes: as otherwise game writers just won't trust the platform
Nov 16 18:24:59 <dcordes> Stephmw: what's forward-locking? I have no idea about coding :P
Nov 16 18:25:13 <Stephmw> dcordes: it's a type of (dirty word alert) DRM
Nov 16 18:25:22 * dcordes ducks
Nov 16 18:25:35 <Stephmw> dcordes: just means you can copy it as much as you want... but it'll only run on your device
Nov 16 18:25:45 <Stephmw> dcordes: so backups are fine
Nov 16 18:26:16 <dcordes> I see
Nov 16 18:26:24 <Stephmw> typically the binaries are encrypted with a device certificate
Nov 16 18:26:28 <dcordes> Stephmw: you got OE setup?
Nov 16 18:26:58 <Stephmw> dcordes: not atm and only just received my C860
Nov 16 18:27:56 <kellyh> Stephmw: it doesn't surprise me tbh, firms are finicky about apps being allowed to run on any phone really
Nov 16 18:28:21 <Stephmw> kellyh: that's true, but for the games it's really the authors that are worried
Nov 16 18:28:42 <Stephmw> kellyh: the operators/carriers aren't the only ones mandating DRM on cellphones
Nov 16 18:28:51 <kellyh> Stephmw: revenue stream an' all that, eh?
Nov 16 18:29:09 <Stephmw> aye, when your game is a miserly 245kb, it's just too damn easy to spread it far and wide
Nov 16 18:29:42 <dcordes> have a look at google android. They also use those java vm userspace stuffs. Propably also for DRM purpose
Nov 16 18:29:54 <Stephmw> I'm also tracking that :D
Nov 16 18:30:08 <kellyh> shame the iPhone is so pants hardware wise :/
Nov 16 18:30:38 <dcordes> be pants=suck?
Nov 16 18:30:49 <kellyh> the iPod Touch/iPhone interface is pretty good though
Nov 16 18:30:51 <kellyh> dcordes: yes
Nov 16 18:31:24 <Stephmw> the iphone hardware pretty much has the required grunt for what the UI does, more and it'd be a waste of money to manufacture
Nov 16 18:31:38 <kellyh> Stephmw: i meant in terms of features not grunt
Nov 16 18:31:50 <kellyh> ie 2.5G, no picture messaging, etc etc
Nov 16 18:32:02 <Stephmw> oh right
Nov 16 18:32:05 <kellyh> all the features it lacks as a phone make it a disasterous product for a Euro market
Nov 16 18:32:16 <dcordes> it only has gprs and edge, right?
Nov 16 18:32:24 <kellyh> though I guess the US market doesn't require some of them though
Nov 16 18:32:26 <kellyh> dcordes: yeah
Nov 16 18:32:26 <Stephmw> not too hard to guess the Apple designers have their heads firmly stuck into US soil :)
Nov 16 18:32:34 <kellyh> supposedly a 3G version in early 2008
Nov 16 18:32:46 <koen> Stephmw: have a word with rschuster in #oe, he's our java expert
Nov 16 18:32:48 <kellyh> Stephmw: yeah, its the same with their other hardware tbh
Nov 16 18:32:55 <dcordes> kellyh: except of the eyecandyish ui also the software is pants :)
Nov 16 18:32:58 <dcordes> imho
Nov 16 18:33:06 <Stephmw> koen: yah, I've met him :) he's also in #classpath
Nov 16 18:33:14 <koen> and his company sponsered an OEDEM dinner :)
Nov 16 18:34:01 <kellyh> dcordes: I use Macs at home all the time, but the touch interface does work well
Nov 16 18:34:20 <Stephmw> kellyh: also UK-based?
Nov 16 18:34:25 <kellyh> Stephmw: i am
Nov 16 18:34:32 * koen notices the stew is almost ready after 4 hours of simmering
Nov 16 18:34:35 <koen> later all
Nov 16 18:35:04 <dcordes> kellyh: I mean in terms of expandibility which is not present.
Nov 16 18:35:07 <Stephmw> kellyh: it's always nice to see truly how much of Freenode embedded people are based in Europe :)
Nov 16 18:35:20 <Stephmw> kellyh: I'm in London
Nov 16 18:35:28 <kellyh> Stephmw: near coventry here.
Nov 16 18:35:45 <dcordes> no doubt iPhone has a well working interface. Had a look at it today in local celly shop
Nov 16 18:36:00 <kellyh> dcordes: well it is Apple's methodology of their hardware etc, they like to lock you in, but i find usually it works well.
Nov 16 18:36:13 <Stephmw> I'm just happy that it's easy to cause the browser to lockup the device
Nov 16 18:36:19 <kellyh> dcordes: it'll perhaps change in feb 2008 when they release a proper SDK
Nov 16 18:36:50 <dcordes> think that's a good step to take for apple
Nov 16 18:37:20 <kellyh> yeah
Nov 16 18:37:39 <kellyh> i think later versions of the iPhone will probably be pretty good
Nov 16 18:37:45 <kellyh> the first iPods were pretty poor really
Nov 16 18:38:01 <kellyh> first apple revisions tend to be a bit poor, or buggy
Nov 16 18:38:22 <kellyh> its the whole .0 software thing, but with hardware i guess
Nov 16 18:38:24 <Stephmw> same as everyone else I feel :)
Nov 16 18:38:29 <Stephmw> Rev1 sucks
Nov 16 18:38:55 <kellyh> Stephmw: i have a habit of never using rev .0 software or hardware
Nov 16 18:39:09 <dcordes> heh. I'm looking on htc devices at the moment.
Nov 16 18:39:12 <kellyh> unless im not paying for it and its not mission critical to my use
Nov 16 18:41:31 <kellyh> Stephmw: consequently I'm not upgrading to Leopard ;)
Nov 16 18:58:35 * dcordes never really used mac. Only 2 weeks in practical course of advertisement desgin and missed right mouse btn
Nov 16 18:58:59 <kellyh> right mouse is easy ctrl + left mouse ;)
Nov 16 18:59:12 <kellyh> or use a USB 2+ button mouse
Nov 16 18:59:19 <kellyh> you soon adapt i find
Nov 16 19:00:31 <dcordes> well it was not a big problem since I only had real slave tasks in 2d graphic applications
Nov 16 19:01:00 <dcordes> like cleaning up white areas in 24mb png files
Nov 16 19:16:04 <dcordes> Stephmw: what do you run on zaurus?
Nov 16 19:42:47 <Stephmw> dcordes: at the moment it's Angstrom, curtesy of XorA
Nov 16 19:45:22 <dcordes> Stephmw: ha I just wanted to ask XorA|gone in #oe if you bought the one he sold ^^
Nov 16 19:47:14 <Stephmw> ;)
Nov 16 19:47:44 <Stephmw> I found out about it in #om
Nov 16 19:47:58 <Stephmw> ... we're a very incestuous bunch of embedded channels :D
Nov 16 19:48:10 <dcordes> hah yea :D
Nov 16 19:50:11 * kellyh needs to get some books off of her pile and start trying to teach herself various things
Nov 16 20:07:38 <Stephmw> kellyh: how's cacko treating you?
Nov 16 20:07:47 * Stephmw is wondering if he should give it a whirl
Nov 16 20:08:12 <kellyh> Stephmw: i find it ok... its a bit limiting
Nov 16 20:08:15 <kellyh> and a bit slow in places
Nov 16 20:08:26 <kellyh> has less rough edges
Nov 16 20:08:38 <kellyh> but a few things can be a pain
Nov 16 20:08:57 <kellyh> no calculator, less wifi card support, etc
Nov 16 20:13:52 <dcordes> angstrom is the truth ^^
Nov 16 20:15:07 <Stephmw> ;)
Nov 16 20:15:27 <mimecar> dcordes: have you update monotone today ?
Nov 16 20:15:42 <dcordes> mimecar: nope. Anything wrong with it?
Nov 16 20:15:59 <mimecar> there're updates on matchbox
Nov 16 20:16:12 <mimecar> it's posible it can fix the login problem
Nov 16 20:16:37 <dcordes> :D propably the X11 bug yea. But I'm too lazy to reflash this evening. Could you give it a try?
Nov 16 20:16:56 <mimecar> i've images builded today
Nov 16 20:17:05 <dcordes> ...so does it work?
Nov 16 20:17:07 <mimecar> after i'll flash my collie
Nov 16 20:17:17 <mimecar> i haven't test it
Nov 16 20:17:24 <dcordes> alright
Nov 16 20:18:19 <dcordes> hmmm which update candidate will I take? likewise or florian's one?
Nov 16 20:18:56 <dcordes> mtn: modifying packages/matchbox-common/matchbox-common_0.9.1.bb
Nov 16 20:18:56 <dcordes> mtn: modifying packages/matchbox-wm/matchbox-wm_1.2.bb
Nov 16 20:18:57 <mimecar> :P
Nov 16 20:19:00 <dcordes> yea that looks good
Nov 16 20:19:29 * kellyh got rid of her collie when she cracked the touchscreen
Nov 16 20:20:13 <Stephmw> I still have my 5000d... but the ram's bad :(
Nov 16 20:20:38 <mimecar> :(
Nov 16 20:23:49 <kellyh> i sold my 5500 with the bust screen to someone who had a duff board
Nov 16 20:24:04 <kellyh> i couldnt be bothered to fix it and I'd bought a C860 with birthday money 
Nov 16 20:24:08 <Stephmw> hmm, how would I go about identifying which image was flashed onto the C860?
Nov 16 20:24:58 <mimecar> version of angstrom Stephmw?
Nov 16 20:25:48 <Stephmw> 2007.9-test-20071112
Nov 16 20:26:53 <dcordes> Stephmw: what do you mean by which image?
Nov 16 20:27:53 <Stephmw> well, looking at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/c7x0/20071104/ there's a variety of profiles I could choose
Nov 16 20:28:04 <Stephmw> I just don't want to reflash the same thing I already have on there :)
Nov 16 20:28:36 <dcordes> Stephmw: the build date identifies OE metadata revision
Nov 16 20:29:44 <dcordes> I believe all changes from 11-12 until now can be applied with ipkg update && ipkg upgrade
Nov 16 20:29:50 <dcordes> no need to reflash since there is no new kernel
Nov 16 20:29:59 <dcordes> I guess you run 2.6.23 atm?
Nov 16 20:30:17 <Stephmw> aye
Nov 16 20:30:40 <dcordes> then make use of ipkg if you want any upgrade
Nov 16 20:30:42 <Stephmw> but I haven't set up networking through my PC, so updating... it would be easier to just have a more featured image
Nov 16 20:31:12 <mimecar> you can use usbnet
Nov 16 20:31:22 <dcordes> Stephmw: see, the image won't be more featured. It has the same stuff built in you have right now
Nov 16 20:31:37 <dcordes> Stephmw: you got some CF wifi?
Nov 16 20:31:54 <Stephmw> dcordes: the one I do have locks it up
Nov 16 20:31:56 <dcordes> bluetooth modules/networking is also in the image I think
Nov 16 20:31:58 <Stephmw> so, yes, usbnet
Nov 16 20:32:24 <dcordes> Stephmw: you know the chipset of your CF card?
Nov 16 20:32:48 <Stephmw> time to remember how to set up the maskerading I guess
Nov 16 20:32:56 <Stephmw> dcordes: it's Xora's sandisk wifi
Nov 16 20:33:07 <Stephmw> dcordes: no idea what chipset though
Nov 16 20:33:15 * kellyh could never get WPA working with her Socket LP wifi card
Nov 16 20:33:20 <dcordes> Stephmw: try a modprobe pcmcia
Nov 16 20:33:34 <dcordes> kellyh: same here for prism CF
Nov 16 20:34:07 <kellyh> unfortuately WEP just ain't viable these days... less than 1min for someone to crack
Nov 16 20:34:27 <Stephmw> dcordes: that worked... but slotting the card in == lockup
Nov 16 20:34:37 * Stephmw does the reset dance
Nov 16 20:34:44 <dcordes> ^^
Nov 16 20:35:14 <dcordes> no idea. Just thought you would propably lack pcmcia module
Nov 16 20:35:40 <dcordes> maybe ask XorA|gone if he had more success
Nov 16 20:36:08 <Stephmw> I'll get usbnet working ;)
Nov 16 20:37:37 <mimecar> Stephmw: http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s08s05.html
Nov 16 20:38:24 <dcordes> nice guide mimecar will take a look too. Always was wondering how to get it working ;)
Nov 16 20:39:29 <mimecar> i use that guide and works
Nov 16 20:39:37 <mimecar> if you don't get a connecion, check the firewall
Nov 16 20:43:54 <Stephmw> ok, pings work, now for dns
Nov 16 20:45:07 <dcordes> Stephmw: worqing?
Nov 16 20:45:40 <Stephmw> dns is, yes
Nov 16 20:45:49 <Stephmw> waiting on the package manager...
Nov 16 20:46:22 * Stephmw doesn't get a pulse from the package manager
Nov 16 20:53:11 <dcordes> Stephmw: angstrom feeds down
Nov 16 20:53:22 <dcordes> just tried to upgrade akita
Nov 16 20:53:27 <Stephmw> ah well, it'll keep :)
Nov 16 20:59:30 * koen just added a step 5 to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Nov 16 20:59:54 <koen> I can reach the feeds just fine...
Nov 16 21:00:40 <dcordes> let me retry
Nov 16 21:03:20 <Stephmw> cpu @100%
Nov 16 21:03:52 <dcordes> koen: nope for fails with the standard-feeds in /etc/ipkg
Nov 16 21:04:14 <dcordes> wget --passive blabla usual feeds-are-not-working messages
Nov 16 21:04:47 <Stephmw> hmmm and package manager died of its own accord after 2mins runtime
Nov 16 21:05:25 <dcordes> happens
Nov 16 21:05:55 <Stephmw> aye, seems to only happen on gpe-package starting up with a live network connection atm
Nov 16 21:06:05 <Stephmw> so I guess the feed's status matters
Nov 16 21:10:14 <dcordes> Stephmw: gpe-package always dies for me
Nov 16 21:11:39 <Stephmw> dcordes: what's your favoured way of adding packages? ipkg?
Nov 16 21:11:43 <dcordes> yes
Nov 16 21:18:49 <Stephmw> ok, now got a browser running on there, thanks
Nov 16 21:19:38 <dcordes> Stephmw: which one?
Nov 16 21:20:05 <Stephmw> gpe-mini
Nov 16 21:20:18 <dcordes> Stephmw: check out openmoko-browser2
Nov 16 21:20:22 <dcordes> very fast, based on webkit
Nov 16 21:20:39 <dcordes> at least on akita, it is the fastet one running of all browsers available in the angstrom feed
Nov 16 21:20:55 <Stephmw> 'k
Nov 16 21:27:09 <Stephmw> hmmm, yeah fast... but needs a little work on the usability :)
Nov 16 21:29:40 <dcordes> Stephmw: do you reffer to lack of keyboard capabilities?
Nov 16 21:29:52 <Stephmw> and the lack of progress indication
Nov 16 21:29:58 <Stephmw> ... hmmm, memory 130%
Nov 16 21:30:00 <Stephmw> can't be good
Nov 16 21:30:04 <dcordes> it was made for non-keyboard neo1973
Nov 16 21:30:11 <dcordes> oh. true
Nov 16 21:31:09 <dcordes> Stephmw: working though?
Nov 16 21:31:14 <Stephmw> .. not anymore :D
Nov 16 21:31:26 <Stephmw> I guess it must be swapping or something
Nov 16 21:36:10 <dcordes> hmhm
Nov 16 21:44:31 <Stephmw> aha, it got killed by the kernel
Nov 16 21:59:57 <dcordes> Stephmw: found your browser?
Nov 16 22:00:54 <Stephmw> dcordes: yeah, back to mini
Nov 16 22:01:15 <dcordes> Stephmw: guess I should also give that a try. Never really used it
Nov 16 22:11:43 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: Its a prism3 chip, and I just heard that 2.6.23 re-introduced the crash bug with Sandisk Connect+ shit bollox and damn
Nov 16 22:13:10 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: good news is its crashing because someone is doing a piss poor job of maintaining patches
Nov 16 22:13:26 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: they forget to apply the dont crash Connect+ in 2.6.22 and 2.6.23
Nov 16 22:13:57 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: ah well ;)
Nov 16 22:14:12 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: usbnet was working fine thankfully
Nov 16 22:14:30 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: it should be easy enough to build a new kernel, I cant test it though :-)
Nov 16 22:17:00 <Stephmw> mickey|sofa: when you're about to write mickey|toilet, please spare us a thought and don't? :D
Nov 16 22:17:22 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: aye, I'll be needing to set up the toolchain anyway
Nov 16 22:17:33 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: probably tomorrow/sunday
Nov 16 22:17:47 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: well if you dont figure it by monday give me a shout
Nov 16 22:18:26 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: will do, thanks
Nov 16 22:33:17 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: in fact just did a compile, so at least it compiles, I cant test it :-D
Nov 16 22:35:39 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: you're on a mission :D
Nov 16 22:36:05 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: forgot how quick the 4 core compiles
Nov 16 22:40:53 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: Ive pushed the fix so the next kernel/image you build will be fixed :-)
Nov 16 22:45:42 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: sweet, thanks :D
Nov 16 23:06:20 <Stephmw> hmmm, I get the impression that koen's instructions are.. incomplete :)
Nov 16 23:06:26 * Stephmw looks elsewhere in the howto
Nov 16 23:10:24 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: Bernado on #oe is the other Sandisk Connect+ user
Nov 16 23:10:47 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: cheers
Nov 16 23:14:39 * Stephmw goes to make some brew while the build proceeds
Nov 16 23:26:04 <Stephmw> XorA|gone: do_compile() for libtool-native barfs, any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/777711
Nov 16 23:27:25 <XorA|gone> Stephmw: thats a new one
Nov 16 23:27:46 <XorA|gone> make -j4 maybe it got ahead of itself
Nov 16 23:29:11 <Stephmw> ah yes.. I'll switch that off and see
Nov 16 23:29:40 <XorA|gone> only thing I can think of
Nov 16 23:31:10 <Stephmw> what do you reckon? BL08, BL11 or the dodgy 2000mAh ebay BL08 batteries?
Nov 16 23:34:03 <XorA|gone> bl11 is 3200 battery, does it fit in C860, I know C860 batt fits in 3200
Nov 16 23:34:51 <Stephmw> 'k...
Nov 16 23:34:57 <Stephmw> no joy on libtool-native
Nov 16 23:35:02 <XorA|gone> bizarre
Nov 16 23:35:21 <XorA|gone> check out oesf forums for battery advice, I never bought a replacement myself
Nov 16 23:36:07 <Stephmw> ok
Nov 16 23:37:28 <XorA|gone> anyway it is time for me to sleep, bye
Nov 16 23:38:30 <Stephmw> 'night
Nov 17 01:33:53 <noosphere> hi all
Nov 17 01:35:56 <noosphere> i am running angstrom x11 on my slc3200. was working fine, but after doing an ipkg upgrade (including manually upgding the kernel) and a few more package installs, i now have a bug where i get just a black screen upon logging in
Nov 17 01:36:18 <noosphere> shortcut keys successfully open apps,and i can see them
Nov 17 01:36:25 <noosphere> but i can see no desktop, icons, or panel
Nov 17 01:36:35 <noosphere> just my mouse cursor and a black background
Nov 17 01:36:40 <noosphere> any ideas?
Nov 17 01:37:20 <noosphere> i am 5 mins away from reflashing from scratch
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