**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 19 02:59:57 2007 Nov 19 06:26:14 is gkdial the only ppp dialer available on the angstrom feeds? Nov 19 07:27:47 good morning Nov 19 07:32:44 morning Nov 19 07:38:17 XorA: hey there...:) Nov 19 07:43:16 RP: ping Nov 19 07:44:16 gah pings at 07:43 Nov 19 07:44:58 ;] Nov 19 07:45:02 XorA: well, it's 23:44 over here :) Nov 19 07:45:15 it's 09:45 here Nov 19 07:45:15 ;] Nov 19 08:09:18 XorA: Is the OE poodle a pxa250 or a 255? Nov 19 08:09:26 250 Nov 19 08:09:34 XorA: bleach.... Nov 19 08:09:38 from what I remeber anyway Nov 19 08:10:12 XorA: Well, if nobody else wants it, a second machine for testing would be good here... Nov 19 08:10:26 hvontres|home: how far from UK are you? Nov 19 08:11:09 XorA: well, I am in southern CA, so ~ 5K miles :) Nov 19 08:11:26 hvontres|home: damn you americans :-) Nov 19 08:11:40 hvontres|home: Ill have to see what the cost of sending it is Nov 19 08:11:53 hvontres|home: although I will be in florida in feb so could post it local post :-) Nov 19 08:12:33 XorA: That would probaly be the easiest... that would also avoid cusums problems as well :) Nov 19 08:13:55 We should have arranged this a couple of weeks ago, lrg just left CA Nov 19 08:14:46 XorA: well, a couple of weeks ago you werent leaving the Z behind either :( Nov 19 08:17:04 XorA: well, This weeks Top Gear is almost done downloading...thanks to the BBC's Internet Backup service :) Nov 19 08:17:38 heh heh Nov 19 08:24:43 * hvontres|home loves ted Nov 19 08:26:17 hvontres|home: this week they want to prove that walking throught a river is faster than driving around it :) Nov 19 08:26:32 the motorhome race is also hilarious Nov 19 08:27:39 koen: I really liked the african adventure two years ago... I am thinking of getting a little "oliver" myself :) Nov 19 08:28:14 I need a 4wd drive now Nov 19 08:28:19 there are leaves on the road Nov 19 08:29:18 koen: but you don't have any hills to deal with...exept maybe those dikes Nov 19 08:29:32 right Nov 19 08:29:43 and the fact I don't need a car at all :) Nov 19 08:30:36 morning! Nov 19 08:31:18 koen: so, now that you have our ssh keys, what are you going to do with all that power? Nov 19 08:31:57 actually Nov 19 08:32:11 I was going to wait for *other* people in the coreteam to take action Nov 19 08:32:32 but after 4 days noone has bothered to tell you the attachment (your key) didn't make it to the list Nov 19 08:32:59 koen: ok. I'll resend it inline Nov 19 08:35:31 koen: sent Nov 19 08:36:45 now we'll have to wait for the coreteam to prove it's not entirely useless Nov 19 08:37:23 well, time to go to bed now. Nov 19 08:47:40 hey XorA, you have an audiovox RTM-8000D from memory right? have you been successful in configuring it under angstrom on a zaurus? Nov 19 08:48:53 noosphere: yup, read the oesf openzaurus forum Nov 19 08:51:08 thanks Nov 19 08:53:24 hmm, another thing I should sell new I got a 3g phone Nov 19 08:55:07 be more sensible getting a 3d fone and a bluetooth cf card for the Z rather than using the sluggish audiovox gprs hey Nov 19 08:55:12 3g* Nov 19 08:56:23 I purchased a new sl-c3200 from japan from a mate btw - upped from my old sl5600 :) its great Nov 19 08:56:37 just a touch faster :-) Nov 19 08:57:06 heh :) Nov 19 09:22:53 XorA, did you use gkdial to configure the ppp connection for the audiovox? I can talk to the modem no problem via minicom... Nov 19 09:25:34 openzaurus used to have wvdial which worked, but its not in the angstrom repos, and gkdial seems limiting in what options i can pass to pppd. I edit gkdial's scripts manually (pppd talks to the modem fine too) but it trips on auth Nov 19 09:28:33 * XorA wrote the scripts by hand Nov 19 09:29:08 looking insto just using ppp now Nov 19 09:38:55 morning Nov 19 09:40:09 noosphere: http://rafb.net/p/6pABxL94.html Nov 19 09:40:19 * hrw needs to dig though coreteam list Nov 19 09:42:39 * hrw accepted both mentors Nov 19 09:43:09 XorA, cheers for that, will adjust them and have a go in a min Nov 19 09:48:35 someone know who is Nov 19 09:48:36 Geoff Levand Nov 19 09:48:36 ? Nov 19 10:01:19 XorA, I get same symptom with your scripts. If you care to see: http://rafb.net/p/xZY9Y422.html Nov 19 10:01:22 seems like an auth prob Nov 19 10:01:46 i will fire up my olf Z and see how wvdial setup the ppp scripts.. Nov 19 10:01:53 old* Nov 19 10:01:57 nope, looks like you didnt setup the UART correctly Nov 19 10:02:32 really? even tho i can talk to the modem using AT commands in minicom? Nov 19 10:02:37 and pppd appears to be able to do the same? Nov 19 10:02:48 did you set it to 16c750? Nov 19 10:02:54 nope, 16550a Nov 19 10:03:11 always worked when set to that on my old Z Nov 19 10:03:28 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23652 Nov 19 10:03:44 now open eyes and read, I dont tell you to read things just to waste time :-) Nov 19 10:07:09 thanks a mill. apologies, I admit I half-assed read the forum because I assumed I was past that problem given minicom success. will take it as a lesson Nov 19 10:07:14 works like a charm Nov 19 10:27:30 woowoo Nov 19 10:27:46 damn manufacturers lying about the cheapassed UARTs they use Nov 19 10:36:12 XorA, yeah. what an odd symptom and cause. wonder why 16550a was all joy under 2.4. and why it was also working in minicom under 2.6, yer pppd couldnt talk. according to syslog though, pppd was getting the "OK" back from the modem nicely Nov 19 10:36:16 incredibly odd Nov 19 10:37:18 worst thing is I actually thought about that and thought I had tried all the possible UART configs and somehow missed 750 Nov 19 10:37:22 well found tho - i remember you offering prizes and stuff for getting the audiovox happy under 2.6 a long while back :) Nov 19 10:38:00 yeah... you must have been clutching at straws to be trying different uart's when you knew it absolutely had to be a 16550a :) Nov 19 10:38:31 not really, stuff like the 950 has a 650 compatibility mode, but its not quite the same Nov 19 10:38:50 and they all have some degree of 8250 compat, but again, not quite the same Nov 19 10:39:42 right.. the 2.6 implementation of 16550a must have changed a bit or something.. more strict maybe Nov 19 10:39:52 anyways, back to tweaking around with the amazing angstrom Nov 19 10:39:55 wifi next :) Nov 19 10:40:45 * noosphere tells self to rtfm ffs Nov 19 10:41:04 or rtfa as it were :) Nov 19 10:42:59 noosphere: I suspect probably the alternate register pages, which make for much more efficient drivers Nov 19 10:46:02 kewl. Nov 19 10:46:58 been many years since I wrote hi-speed serial drivers though Nov 19 10:47:03 and the kernel code is a mess Nov 19 10:47:30 yeah i heard that the 8250 driver in the kernel is a massive complexificated beast Nov 19 10:48:21 it's RMK-ware Nov 19 10:48:36 lol Nov 19 10:48:45 RMK? Nov 19 10:48:55 the kernel dudes promised to fix it in the kernel 2.5 series Nov 19 10:49:04 noosphere: Russel M King Nov 19 10:49:07 RMK is Russel King Nov 19 10:49:23 aka ARM dude Nov 19 10:49:47 a kernel hacker then.. not famil with the name :) not that I know more than a handfull :) Nov 19 10:49:51 ah gotcha Nov 19 10:49:51 or 'tit' as many refer Nov 19 10:49:55 hahaha Nov 19 11:17:15 XorA: I found the vfp article: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html Nov 19 11:20:37 koen: cool Nov 19 11:34:40 * koen ponders on switching poodle over to thumb as an experiment Nov 19 11:42:50 koen: you have poodle? Nov 19 11:55:49 hrw: no, and I don't want one either :) Nov 19 11:56:10 it was just the first thumb capable device that lacks ram I could think off Nov 19 11:58:59 koen: your c700 is same class ;d Nov 19 11:59:11 BTW if we are going to send this poodle to hvontes for testing, do we have a way to get it there Nov 19 12:00:03 hrw: yeah, but not all c7x0 are that crippled Nov 19 12:00:22 and not all poodles are pxa250 Nov 19 12:00:32 but all poodles are 32MB Nov 19 12:00:46 yes Nov 19 14:25:34 hmmm, what would I need to modify/create to launch my own UI process on boot (instead of X11+gpe)? Nov 19 14:35:01 write an initscripts for it Nov 19 14:35:16 and install it with help from update-rc.d.bbclass Nov 19 14:35:35 dunno, but i think there should be something like xdm or gdm Nov 19 14:35:47 script in /etc/init.d/ directory Nov 19 14:35:58 dont have my hh nearby Nov 19 14:36:03 I'm guessing Stephmw doesn't want X11 :) Nov 19 14:36:11 but some framebuffer loving java thingy Nov 19 14:36:45 oh Nov 19 14:36:50 * Stephmw grins Nov 19 14:36:56 * Stephmw gasps Nov 19 14:37:05 what? me? surely not! Nov 19 14:42:19 but yes, you've seen to the heart of my nefarious plan Nov 19 14:43:32 * koen thinks it's a great plan Nov 19 14:43:53 android? Nov 19 14:44:02 if only woglinde and rschuster hurry a bit up, we can have first rate java support in OE Nov 19 14:44:09 android isn't java Nov 19 14:45:03 Stephmw: I'm trying to talk ross into making an ICC profile for the zaurus displays Nov 19 14:45:18 Stephmw: would be cute to run your java histogram thingy Nov 19 14:46:13 koen: yeah - mind you, that's pretty simple to rewrite for a J2SE target, as long as we have some camera framebuffer to read from Nov 19 14:46:22 koen: it's fairly abstract Nov 19 14:47:40 or do you mean just do it from static images? Nov 19 14:57:44 static images Nov 19 14:58:03 but maybe the openezx dudes can get the camera to work Nov 19 14:58:11 or masterhacker pH5 Nov 19 14:58:15 moin Nov 19 14:58:19 'llo Nov 19 14:58:31 ok, for statics, we should be good to go right now Nov 19 14:58:39 ... on my side anyway Nov 19 14:59:09 koen: may I ask which machine you talk about? Nov 19 14:59:28 in my case the moto a780 Nov 19 14:59:56 ah I've seen angstrom on it with openmoko-today2 on your blog Nov 19 15:00:02 is that the one? Nov 19 15:00:50 yes Nov 19 15:01:08 can you make calls with it? Nov 19 15:01:25 in theory, yes Nov 19 15:01:29 haven't tried it Nov 19 15:01:38 as my test sim hasn't got credit Nov 19 15:04:05 I guess everything necessary is in the ezx kernel, isn't it? Nov 19 15:04:29 yes Nov 19 15:19:45 angstrom core dudes, approve my key so I can move some OSK images around ... Nov 19 15:21:48 hi Nov 19 15:22:10 Crofton: try 'ssh angstrom@linuxtogo.org' Nov 19 15:24:45 thanks Nov 19 15:25:01 I need to run over to school now. I'll move the images this afternoon Nov 19 15:25:07 and update elinux.org Nov 19 15:25:16 and figure out what happened to u-boot ... Nov 19 15:30:06 how can I change kernel parameters on compiling ? Nov 19 15:35:49 you'd have to hack the kernel .bb and change CMDLINE for your device Nov 19 15:37:02 re Nov 19 15:37:15 you'd have to hack the kernel .bb and change CMDLINE for your device Nov 19 15:37:34 ok Nov 19 15:37:51 i've flashed a new build and collie with console image has 156 KB free only Nov 19 15:38:15 hehe Nov 19 15:38:20 no need to hack the kernel recipe for that Nov 19 15:38:36 just define a CMDLINE_ROOT in local.conf and rebuild the kernel Nov 19 15:38:55 iwill overwrite default cmdline? Nov 19 15:39:12 check linux-rp.inc Nov 19 15:39:18 ok Nov 19 15:47:47 on linux-rp.inc there're modules can work on collie Nov 19 15:48:39 what're differences betwwen minimal-image and console-image ? Nov 19 15:51:38 I would think the latter has more stuff installed ;) Nov 19 15:51:58 both files have the same space Nov 19 15:52:34 something is wrong Nov 19 15:53:21 it could be that on collie both are identical due to space problems Nov 19 15:53:37 sent request for testing of new updater.sh Nov 19 15:53:44 you should really think about a native root-on-SD if that is possible on collie Nov 19 15:53:58 on openzaurus it was Nov 19 15:54:10 mimecar: collie NEEDS padded images to flash Nov 19 15:54:25 ok Nov 19 15:54:25 oh lol, I forgot Nov 19 15:54:27 so each collie image is 14.4MB Nov 19 15:54:36 even helloworld one Nov 19 15:54:48 hrw: I'll try spitz when I get the chance. Nov 19 15:55:15 hrw: then x11 won't work (it size is 23 MB) Nov 19 15:56:20 compile a tar.gz rootfs, hack your kernel to set the SD card as root, extract tar.gz on SD card and boot Nov 19 15:56:36 changing command line? Nov 19 15:56:46 I _really_ wouldn't bother with collies 16Mb of flash Nov 19 15:56:54 mimecar: yes Nov 19 15:57:02 sd card should work before Nov 19 15:57:15 on my images doesn't work Nov 19 15:57:19 my collie lost its battery today Nov 19 15:57:36 hrw: tell it to be more careful then Nov 19 15:57:38 c760 hangs too often on own near-to-die battery so collie one is now in use Nov 19 15:58:59 flashing minal image Nov 19 16:00:02 then, collie should use a minimal image on flash and boot from sd / CF ? Nov 19 16:00:05 collie oppses on boot for me Nov 19 16:01:00 mimecar: no, you should hack the kernel to boot straight off SD, no flash involved Nov 19 16:01:17 you must have a kernel on flash if you want boot Nov 19 16:01:37 but only kernel ;D Nov 19 16:01:49 btw, what good are the "summary" jffs files? Nov 19 16:01:52 you have 14 MB for kernel ;) Nov 19 16:02:12 not really ;) Nov 19 16:02:36 if you use emacs, final size is 0 :;P Nov 19 16:02:51 and what about this symlinking crap and "install kit" b0rking when these links are gone? Insanity... Nov 19 16:03:39 CoreDump: on collie it does not matter Nov 19 16:04:02 CoreDump: on 128mb flash devices it starts to be nice Nov 19 16:04:18 CoreDump: on 128M+ rootfs is is very usefull Nov 19 16:04:50 well, sure, 128Mb allows for a nice system Nov 19 16:07:51 minimal image on collie doesn't boot Nov 19 16:09:41 it shows cpu registers (r8..r4) an other memory address Nov 19 16:09:43 hrw: btw, Is there any way how I can use kernel+rootfs mtd's just for the kernel? Nov 19 16:13:45 lumag: did not tried it Nov 19 16:14:23 mimecar: as in an oops? Nov 19 16:14:35 what's oops ? Nov 19 16:14:51 i've searched it but i don't understand it :( Nov 19 16:15:00 mimecar: kernel oops == fatal crash Nov 19 16:15:07 ok Nov 19 16:15:30 yes i've a kernel opps Nov 19 16:15:33 mimecar: http://kiza.kcore.de/technology/oops.shtml Nov 19 16:16:42 with console-image there's not problem Nov 19 16:16:51 only with minial and x11 images Nov 19 16:18:39 attach serial cable and share oops with us? Nov 19 16:19:22 do i need a special serial cable ? Nov 19 16:20:29 hrw: is there any chance that such solution can be accepted upstream: minimal kernel that just supports mtd, /dev/mtd2 containing normal kernel image and special linuxrc that kexec's normal kernel Nov 19 16:21:35 can I use zaurus base as serial cable? Nov 19 16:21:45 mimecar: no Nov 19 16:21:59 * lumag just had to disable ELF_CORE to be able to build current 2.6.23 with some patches. There is nearly no more drivers to disable. Nov 19 16:22:15 lumag: where would be default rootfs then? Nov 19 16:22:25 on the SD/CF as selected Nov 19 16:22:43 kernel inside rootfs, booted via kexec in initramfs Nov 19 16:22:51 or armboot from LAB Nov 19 16:23:10 or uboot and remove sharp rescue kernel+rootfs Nov 19 16:23:55 koen: uclibc static kexec would not be too big anyway? Nov 19 16:24:04 as long as the 'userspace' kernel is inside the rootfs :) Nov 19 16:24:08 hrw: that would be the best way. I would just leave rescue in place :) Nov 19 16:24:20 I need to go Nov 19 16:24:29 please mail to angstrom-devel Nov 19 16:24:33 we need to discuss it Nov 19 16:25:01 yes lumag, please send a mail to angstrom-devel :) Nov 19 16:25:15 :) Nov 19 16:25:55 can i get kernel oops without a serial cable? Nov 19 16:28:51 mimecar: no, as the screen isnt large enough Nov 19 16:29:21 it's a pity Nov 19 16:30:27 * XorA has a collie and cable, just need some time Nov 19 16:30:48 XorA: I can send you kernel give me opps Nov 19 16:31:19 mimecar: I have kernel Nov 19 16:31:21 it looks a mix of kernel and minimal image, althought can be the same problem if i get boot console image Nov 19 16:31:23 ok Nov 19 16:33:53 it has boot Nov 19 16:33:57 after extracting battery Nov 19 16:35:07 9.6 MB free Nov 19 16:40:22 must i send bugs to developper list or to bugtracker? Nov 19 16:43:49 koen: I sent the mail. Nov 19 17:00:06 the name says it all *bug*tracker Nov 19 17:00:10 say goodbye to a dark backlight after resume (hopefully) Nov 19 17:08:30 re Nov 19 20:08:06 CoreDump: had no problems with backlight lately (to my amaze) Nov 19 20:42:39 well, flash a recent image and tell me if your backlight turns off when you close the lid Nov 19 20:45:53 CoreDump: sorry but I cannot reflash at the moment. I have important work and pim stuff on my akita at the moment Nov 19 20:46:09 no worries ;) Nov 19 21:37:44 * Zero_Chaos is an akita lover Nov 19 21:37:46 CoreDump: ping Nov 19 21:37:49 CoreDump: need a tester? Nov 19 21:38:22 not exactly ;) Nov 19 21:39:10 I was just reading the above exchange, thought you may want an independant confirmation Nov 19 21:40:36 well, if you could spare the 10 minutes to flash a recent image w/ kernel 2.6.23, that would give some insight,yes Nov 19 21:41:34 last image is from october 30th err Nov 19 21:42:13 how come the images on angstrom-distribution.org are so old? Nov 19 21:44:00 CoreDump: I can make build a recent one Nov 19 21:44:12 that would be perfect Nov 19 21:46:40 just use it and see if the backlight stops going out to lunch? Nov 19 21:49:30 actually it would be more interesting for me if "bl off" turns it off Nov 19 22:13:30 hi Nov 19 22:14:05 CoreDump: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/ contain fresh images for machine mentors to review Nov 19 22:14:40 hrw: hi Nov 19 22:15:32 CoreDump: test them, became mentor and move them into images Nov 19 22:16:38 * CoreDump is hacking spitz for the time beeing Nov 19 22:16:43 *being Nov 19 22:25:55 CoreDump: so which Z you have? Nov 19 22:26:00 collie, poodle, akita, spitz? Nov 19 22:29:57 no more collie -> broken mainboard. and poodle wasn't charging last time I tried (which was some time ago heh) Nov 19 22:33:12 ugh Nov 19 22:33:31 my c760 starts to show its age -- too often crash without reason Nov 19 22:33:39 :\ Nov 19 22:33:51 poodle was the 5000d, wasn't it? Nov 19 22:33:56 no Nov 19 22:33:57 * Stephmw forgets these things Nov 19 22:34:00 poodle is 5600 Nov 19 22:34:05 collie was working fine. Until - literally - the mainboard broke Nov 19 22:34:15 5000d is 32mb ram version of 5500 (collie) Nov 19 22:34:19 ahh Nov 19 22:34:35 CoreDump: if you can swap the ram chips, you can have my collie ;) Nov 19 22:35:07 Stephmw: I don't have the equipment for that. Not even at work =) Nov 19 22:35:22 cotulla=sl-a300, collie=5000d/5500, poodle=5600, corgi=c700, shepherd=c750/sl-7500, husky=c760, boxer=c860, tosa=sl-6000, akita=c1000, spitz=c3000, borzoi=c3100, terrier=c3200 Nov 19 22:36:57 the sl-c3200 rules them all Nov 19 22:37:18 ;) Nov 19 22:37:41 tosa has best screen Nov 19 22:37:51 but is too huge to be usable Nov 19 22:38:03 and bloody pricey Nov 19 22:38:10 I like my akita. Nov 19 22:38:13 :-) Nov 19 22:38:16 and I miss my collie Nov 19 22:38:24 hm, has anyone else had issues w/ the USB and/or headphone socket coming loose after relatively few insertion/removals? Nov 19 22:38:44 NAbyss: not me Nov 19 22:38:56 NAbyss: not in my akita. not that I have noticed Nov 19 22:38:59 * hrw do not use headphones with Z Nov 19 22:39:08 NAbyss: are you putting something heavy in there? Nov 19 22:39:20 Zero_Chaos: Nope, which is what surprises me Nov 19 22:39:43 hrw: after getting tosa I forgot all other pdas. They are just too ... uhm, small :) Nov 19 22:39:53 heh Nov 19 22:39:57 Just bud earphones, and a usb host cable that rests on the desk; I can't see where it'd be strained Nov 19 22:40:17 pulster.de sells tosa in germany for insane money Nov 19 22:41:32 lumag: I played with HTC Touch Dual few days ago Nov 19 22:41:41 its formfactor is awesome Nov 19 22:43:02 Hmm. But no qwerty Nov 19 22:43:30 yep Nov 19 22:44:14 it looks nice Nov 19 22:44:21 I would like to get fic-gta02 in such case (with keypad) Nov 19 22:44:31 indeed Nov 19 22:44:33 2.8" vga + all goodies in small case Nov 19 22:57:01 lumag: 657004 is totally stripped tosa kernel Nov 19 22:57:41 hrw: what did you strip to get that? Nov 19 22:57:42 lumag: http://linuxtogo.org/~hrw/config-tosa.txt Nov 19 22:57:49 lumag: everything possible Nov 19 22:58:04 oabi, fpu, framebuffer, keyboard, cf, sd, usb Nov 19 22:58:54 lumag: left are: mtd/nand (nor removed) + jffs2 (no other filesystem supported), alsa sound (req by power managment), backlight support (also req by PM) Nov 19 22:59:07 and PM is req to build kernel :( Nov 19 22:59:36 lumag: with some kernel fixes you will be able to remove alsa, bl, pm probably Nov 19 22:59:36 :) Nov 19 22:59:52 I left serial support :) Nov 19 23:00:01 yeah. tosa_pm & related things are the mess. Nov 19 23:00:30 lumag: this leaves 630000 for initramfs Nov 19 23:00:49 and you need kexec, mount, init Nov 19 23:01:12 init can be C tool which will exec(mount) and exec(kexec) Nov 19 23:01:27 or even one binary which will do everything Nov 19 23:01:46 Yup Nov 19 23:01:58 I'll try building it in the next few days Nov 19 23:02:25 kexec itself is 87K Nov 19 23:02:39 BTW: mount isn't strictly necessary. Only kexec is Nov 19 23:02:57 The kernel will do all mounting job for us Nov 19 23:03:03 lumag: ah.. kernel itself.. Nov 19 23:03:04 rigt Nov 19 23:03:21 so init is exec() x2 Nov 19 23:03:55 Yup. Nov 19 23:04:01 lumag: http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ Nov 19 23:04:08 kboot is a proof-of-concept implementation of a Linux boot loader based on kexec. Nov 19 23:04:32 but its huge Nov 19 23:05:39 I would still prefer to have 'try this once' feature. That would require three more syscalls Nov 19 23:05:46 :) Nov 19 23:06:24 wich feature? Nov 19 23:06:50 lilo -R Nov 19 23:07:35 years passed since last time I used lilo Nov 19 23:07:40 I am grub user Nov 19 23:07:49 brb Nov 19 23:07:56 boot this kernel only on the next boot. Nov 19 23:08:14 hrw: grub here too :) Nov 19 23:10:18 ;) Nov 19 23:16:45 !hail lilo Nov 19 23:16:45 All hail lilo! Nov 19 23:17:09 lilo suxx compared to grub ;d Nov 19 23:17:53 maybe, but it gets the job done Nov 19 23:18:09 also, I'm too lazy to learn grub hehe Nov 19 23:19:17 ;)) Nov 19 23:19:55 the main problem which ended my cooperation with lilo was 'I upgraded kernel, removed old and you are not booting anymore' Nov 19 23:19:55 however, this bare-bone kernel + initrd could be applied to all Zauruses Nov 19 23:20:11 CoreDump: first we need to get this Nov 19 23:20:18 CoreDump: btw - read angstrom-devel ;d Nov 19 23:21:05 I do, from time to time ;= Nov 19 23:23:26 then read now - there is a thread (starting) on this Nov 19 23:25:27 option 2 sounds like the easiest (to me at least) Nov 19 23:26:13 user would have to flash this kernel once, new kernels are installed via ipkg in /boot -> perfect Nov 19 23:27:09 right Nov 19 23:27:24 also we wouldn't have to touch the SHARP bootloader Nov 19 23:28:28 brb Nov 19 23:31:50 creating an initrd.bin via OE could be a bit of work tho Nov 19 23:36:28 * lumag is going to sleep Nov 19 23:36:42 night! Nov 19 23:47:49 CoreDump: nope Nov 19 23:47:58 oe alrady support initramfs images Nov 19 23:48:09 really? hm Nov 19 23:49:00 IMAGE_FSTYPE="cpio.gz" and build Nov 19 23:49:37 what is in image is really easy to control Nov 19 23:52:40 how? is there a sample image.bb? Nov 19 23:54:44 create it? Nov 19 23:54:49 its <5 minute work Nov 19 23:55:41 * CoreDump believes a proper minimalist initrd.bin would take a looooot of time to create Nov 19 23:56:56 it is rather matter of creating tools for it then recipe itself Nov 19 23:58:17 a uber-barebone busybox, same uber-barebone FS layout etc etc Nov 19 23:58:49 busybox? its too big Nov 19 23:59:34 ugh Nov 19 23:59:44 see? major PITA =D Nov 19 23:59:51 you have ~600K for whole initramfs Nov 20 00:00:06 and you need only init and kexec Nov 20 00:00:13 true Nov 20 00:00:22 init is just 2 exec() calls Nov 20 00:00:26 well, no shell then. Nov 20 00:00:33 nothing Nov 20 00:01:26 so as you said above, ideally "init" would be a c-app using kexec kernel hooks -> problem solved I guess Nov 20 00:02:19 and probably we will also have space for bling ;) Nov 20 00:02:49 =D Nov 20 00:02:56 671K c7x0 kernel;( Nov 20 00:03:03 heh Nov 20 00:03:24 I sent first kernel fix to RP ;) Nov 20 00:03:54 ;) Nov 20 00:04:12 oh btw: Nov 20 00:04:23 yes? Nov 20 00:04:24