**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 21 02:59:56 2007
Nov 21 07:10:32 <d3d3> hello, everybody, is it possible to enable packet injection with zaurus cxx with kernel 2.4.x?
Nov 21 07:17:49 <lumag> morning!
Nov 21 09:54:53 <lardman> Well I tried a build using bitbake 1.6.3 and the oz354fam083 branch and it wasn't very happy, lots of parsing errors, so I suppose that means I've chosen the wrong bitbake version?
Nov 21 09:55:16 <lardman> (1.6.3 happened to be lying around on my computer)
Nov 21 09:57:10 <lardman> I then tried poky as it seems to let you chose the abi at will
Nov 21 09:57:35 <lardman> should linux-kernel-headers install to cross or to staging?
Nov 21 09:59:35 <lardman> actually that may be a misnomer, the package is linux-libc-headers, but if these are installed in the wrong place glibc complains that the kernel version is wrong
Nov 21 10:00:47 <lardman> anyway, by default they are installed to staging and by default glibc passes  --with-headers=${CROSS_DIR}/${TARGET_SYS}/include
Nov 21 10:00:55 <lardman> to configure
Nov 21 10:01:02 <lardman> which is not where they were installed
Nov 21 10:01:38 <lardman> If I patch that .bb to use: --with-headers=${STAGING_DIR}/${TARGET_SYS}/usr/include
Nov 21 10:01:44 <lardman> we get a compilation error later on:
Nov 21 10:02:10 <xjqia1> lardman: update to bitbake 1.8.x
Nov 21 10:03:13 <lardman> this is the latest version, whatever comes from the poky svn
Nov 21 10:04:31 <xjqia1> lardman: I don't have any knowledge about poky though
Nov 21 10:04:46 <lardman> anyway my compilation error now is that the location of those include files isn't passed to the compiler
Nov 21 10:04:55 <lardman> xjqia1: the meta data are the same though?
Nov 21 10:08:18 <xjqia1> lardman: there seems to be no /usr/ in ${STAGING_DIR}
Nov 21 10:08:38 <xjqia1> lardman: try --with-headers=${STAGING_DIR}/${TARGET_SYS}/include
Nov 21 10:09:24 <lardman> but linux-libc-headers has installed to ${STAGING_DIR}/${TARGET_SYS}/usr/include on my machine
Nov 21 10:09:51 <lardman> just wondering whether linux-libc-headers is at fault, or something else has gone wrong
Nov 21 10:11:15 <xjqia1> lardman: this is mine: staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/linux
Nov 21 10:11:50 <lardman> staging/arm-poky-linux/usr/include is mine
Nov 21 10:11:52 <lardman> interesting
Nov 21 10:11:53 <ABC|dOC> hi there
Nov 21 10:12:42 <lardman> xjqia1: do you have anything in cross/arm-poky-linux/include?
Nov 21 10:13:58 <xjqia1> lardman: mine cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include
Nov 21 10:14:47 <xjqia1> lardman: it's just a symbolic link to the staging
Nov 21 10:15:09 <lardman> right, looks like my symlink might not have been created then
Nov 21 10:15:22 <lardman> that would explain why things are installed to one place and read from another
Nov 21 10:15:23 <lardman> thanks
Nov 21 10:23:51 <lardman> Right back to OE for a bit, in conf/machine/include/tine-arm1136jf-s, the -mtune param is different between GCC 4 and 3
Nov 21 10:24:13 <lardman> -mtune=arm1136jf-s for GCC 4.x.x and -mtune=arm1136jfs for GCC 3.x.x
Nov 21 10:56:10 <lardman> back to yesterday's question, are the fpu and float-abi options to GCC newer than version 3.4.4?
Nov 21 10:56:21 <lardman> cc1: error: invalid option `fpu=vfp' 
Nov 21 10:56:52 <lardman> I think I'll remove those
Nov 21 11:01:12 <hrw> -mfpu=vfp
Nov 21 11:07:59 <lardman> hi hrw
Nov 21 11:08:16 <lardman> yes I know that, but GCC has stripped off the -m from both of those options
Nov 21 11:09:24 <lardman> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jfs -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -c -I/home/simon/development/OE/Angstrom/build-nokian800/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os hello4.c
Nov 21 11:09:38 <hrw> I built with 4.1.2 and -mfpu during night iirc
Nov 21 11:09:50 <lardman> this is 3.4.4
Nov 21 11:09:59 <hrw> ah..
Nov 21 11:10:05 <lardman> though I just saw that horrible eabi word, it's not realised I want oabi, drat!
Nov 21 11:10:14 <hrw> 3.4.4 was ~year ago when last used
Nov 21 11:10:54 <lardman> I know, I need to build an old image with oabi and backwards libc compat as I want to reverse engineer the PowerVR MBX kernel driver and user-side server
Nov 21 11:11:05 <lardman> and the binaries I have are old
Nov 21 11:12:21 <XorA> lardman: there is x86 powervr support :-)
Nov 21 11:12:48 <lardman> that's a different chip though, kyros or something like that I think
Nov 21 11:13:09 <lardman> but thanks :)
Nov 21 11:13:25 <XorA> yeah Kyro, but I think the command queue is the same, it was originally supposed to be a replacement for Dreamcast
Nov 21 11:13:41 * XorA worked at ST in kyro days
Nov 21 11:13:48 <lardman> ah, well that will be interesting to look
Nov 21 11:14:13 * XorA was isolated from those datasheets :-(
Nov 21 11:14:21 <XorA> otherwise I wouldnt have accidently scanned them
Nov 21 11:14:22 <lardman> I've been able to insmod the kernel module (after some stripping of various bits and renaming symbols), but it just sits there
Nov 21 11:14:26 <lardman> :D
Nov 21 11:24:49 <lardman> aargh, back to my configure: error: compiler support for __thread is required error :(
Nov 21 11:26:29 <lardman> In my local.conf I have the following: PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc ?= "2.3.5+cvs20050627", but 2.5 always seems to be built. Any ideas?
Nov 21 11:27:51 <lardman> the ?= assignment operator sets a value if the variable doesn't contain anything?
Nov 21 11:31:31 <lardman> hmm, I can't find anything on google about it
Nov 21 11:31:54 <XorA> yes
Nov 21 11:32:30 <lardman> good, thanks
Nov 21 11:32:53 <lardman> so my local.conf must actually be being overridden somewhere then
Nov 21 11:33:28 <XorA> in local.conf you shouldnt use ?=
Nov 21 11:33:44 <lardman> ok, but will it make a difference?
Nov 21 11:34:29 <XorA> depends on inclusion order which I cant remeber
Nov 21 11:34:39 <lardman> ah, okay
Nov 21 11:45:07 <lardman> XorA: thanks, seems to be building the right version now
Nov 21 11:50:59 <lardman> strange how bitbake now flits back and forth handling deps on the fly rather than all in advance
Nov 21 11:51:24 <lardman> looks strange to me anwyay being used to the old version
Nov 21 12:06:14 <lardman> success! thanks everyone for your help :)
Nov 21 12:07:09 <lardman> oh, I may have spoken too soon, glibc built, and glibc-intermediate still fails :(
Nov 21 12:11:15 <lardman> what is glibc-intermediate used for?
Nov 21 12:11:35 <lardman> to build gcc?
Nov 21 12:11:47 <lardman> NOTE: preferred version 2.3.5+cvs20050627 of glibc-intermediate not available (for item virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-libc-for-gcc)
Nov 21 12:12:21 <lardman> can anyone tell me what that means? The .bb is there, is it incompatible with my version of gcc?
Nov 21 12:12:41 <lardman> I tell a lie, typo on my part
Nov 21 12:50:56 <lardman> I was trying to build using PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc = PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc-intermediate = "2.3.2+cvs20040726"
Nov 21 12:51:04 <lardman> I see this is not possible - I found the ml post about it
Nov 21 12:52:00 <lardman> Do the glibc and glibc-intermediate versions need to match? From Poky I was originally going to build with glibc = 2.3.5+cvs20050627, but I see no -intermediate.bb with this version
Nov 21 12:54:13 <lardman> I suppose as glibc-intermediate is on the build side, it actually makes no odds
Nov 21 13:09:54 <lumag|gone> bye!
Nov 21 13:33:33 <lardman> I found this solution to my problem: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/51/5136.html
Nov 21 13:34:07 <lardman> so I set glibc, glibc-initial and glibc-intermediate to the same version "2.3.2+cvs20040726", but I still get the problem. Any ideas?
Nov 21 14:43:35 <cofeineSunshine> i have 2sd cards, with the same rootfs, One, 256mb boot, but another 2gb, doesnt. 
Nov 21 14:43:54 <cofeineSunshine> but when y insert smaller one, wait till it finishes LAB
Nov 21 14:44:17 <cofeineSunshine> when i see kernel output, then i replace it with bigger one, 2gb
Nov 21 14:44:37 <cofeineSunshine> it can mount it and boot from it!
Nov 21 14:46:12 <cofeineSunshine> seems like LAB kernel doesnt support my 2gb sd'card;/
Nov 21 14:52:30 <hrw> LAB is too old then
Nov 21 14:54:37 <HRH_H_Cr1b> hmmm.
Nov 21 14:54:46 <HRH_H_Cr1b> i seem to have lost the ability to scp / sftp to my z.
Nov 21 14:54:49 <HRH_H_Cr1b> ssh is working fine.
Nov 21 14:54:56 <HRH_H_Cr1b> im using openssh, not dropbear.
Nov 21 14:55:51 <XorA> install openssh-sftp-server
Nov 21 14:55:56 <HRH_H_Cr1b> aaah
Nov 21 14:57:09 <HRH_H_Cr1b> mongkok root # ipkg install openssh-sftp-server
Nov 21 14:57:09 <HRH_H_Cr1b> Package openssh-sftp-server (4.6p1-r3) installed in root is up to date.
Nov 21 14:57:09 <HRH_H_Cr1b> Nothing to be done
Nov 21 14:57:10 <HRH_H_Cr1b> :(
Nov 21 14:57:19 <HRH_H_Cr1b> uninstall and reinstall maybe?
Nov 21 14:57:42 <XorA> check that it has files and they installed right
Nov 21 14:59:52 <HRH_H_Cr1b> well i did a -force-reinstall and still no joy.
Nov 21 14:59:58 <HRH_H_Cr1b> i think its installed o.k.
Nov 21 15:00:13 <HRH_H_Cr1b> maybe its some wierdo ssh version mismatch between client and server.
Nov 21 15:30:16 <hrw> ___gints_: hi
Nov 21 15:32:20 <dcordes> hi hrw 
Nov 21 15:33:26 <hrw> hi dcordes 
Nov 21 15:34:44 <magnet_> hi.
Nov 21 15:52:41 <dcordes> hi magnet_ 
Nov 21 17:06:23 <lumag> evening!
Nov 21 17:06:33 <lardman> Is there a good explanation of the gcc + glibc bootstrapping process anywhere?
Nov 21 17:13:10 <lardman> The way I understand it, gcc-initial is built, then the libc-headers are installed, then gcc-intermediate is built, then glibc, then gcc?
Nov 21 17:14:18 <koen> libc-headers, gcc-intermediate, glibc-initial, gcc, glibc
Nov 21 17:14:44 <lardman> what about glibc-intermediate then?
Nov 21 17:15:10 <koen> I always confuse glibc-intermediate and glinbc-initial
Nov 21 17:15:25 <lardman> I'm just generally confused :)
Nov 21 17:15:38 <koen> a proper glibc needs a proper gcc, that's the thing to remember
Nov 21 17:15:45 <koen> so gcc is built before glibc
Nov 21 17:16:03 <lardman> Should glibc-* all have the same version?
Nov 21 17:16:14 <hrw> no
Nov 21 17:16:23 <hrw> 2.5 2.4 2.5 was ok
Nov 21 17:16:26 <koen> ideally yes, but some version are compatible
Nov 21 17:16:44 <lardman> will 2.5 build with GCC 3.4.4?
Nov 21 17:16:48 <koen> e.g. 2.3.x doesn't have eabi
Nov 21 17:16:49 <lardman> or 2.4 for that matter?
Nov 21 17:16:56 <lardman> Good, I want oabi
Nov 21 17:18:12 <hrw> glibc 2.3.x has csl-eabi
Nov 21 17:18:22 <hrw> but only csl-glibc 2.3.x
Nov 21 17:18:29 <koen> 'eabi'
Nov 21 17:19:26 <lardman> If all the gccs are the same (3.4.4) and all the glibcs are the same (2.3.2+cvs20040726) then I get that bits error (code reog of glibc)
Nov 21 17:20:43 <lardman> if gccs are the same (2.4.4) and only glibc/glibc-initial is set to something (e.g. 2.3.2+cvs20040726 or 2.3.5+cvs20050627), then it builds glibc-initial as 2.5 and then moans about no __thread
Nov 21 17:20:53 <lardman> s/2.4.4/3.4.4
Nov 21 17:21:30 <lardman> where the bits thing is this error: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/51/5136.html
Nov 21 17:21:48 <lardman> food time, if anyone has any ideas I'd be glad to hear/try them
Nov 21 17:21:50 <lardman> thanks
Nov 21 17:55:09 <magnet_> evening everyone.
Nov 21 17:55:45 <hrw> bye all
Nov 21 17:56:01 <magnet_> does anyone know where I can find the kernel module pxafb_overlay for kernel 2.6.23, for a zaurus 3100 ? 
Nov 21 17:56:04 <magnet_> bye hrw|gone .
Nov 21 17:57:27 <CoreDump> magnet_: nowhere, there is no such module: +mhentges@oe-spitz:..tmp.dev/deploy/glibc/ipk >find . -name "*over*"
Nov 21 17:57:28 <CoreDump> ./armv5te/perl-module-overload_5.8.8-r25_armv5te.ipk
Nov 21 17:57:30 <CoreDump> ./armv5te/perl-module-pod-text-overstrike_5.8.8-r25_armv5te.ipk
Nov 21 17:57:58 <magnet_> umm, it mean I gotta use oe to build it.
Nov 21 18:00:22 <CoreDump> http://www.mail-archive.com/angstrom-distro-users@linuxtogo.org/msg00803.html
Nov 21 18:00:48 <CoreDump> according to the above, spitz has this module compiled into the kernel
Nov 21 18:01:09 <CoreDump> (do a cat /proc/fb)
Nov 21 18:01:22 <magnet_> oh right !!
Nov 21 18:01:45 <magnet_> umm now I gotta discover why mplayer freeze my zaurus when using -vo pxa
Nov 21 18:03:26 <magnet_> thanks for the infos CoreDump .
Nov 21 18:03:55 <CoreDump> np
Nov 21 18:04:36 <magnet_> lol I noticed I was reading the same thread just before.
Nov 21 18:04:48 <magnet_> erm I mean the same topic, but not the same thread.
Nov 21 18:05:14 <CoreDump> ;)
Nov 21 18:27:53 <grzegorz> hello!
Nov 21 18:28:48 <CoreDump> hey
Nov 21 18:32:10 <grzegorz> o! finaly I meet sombody!
Nov 21 18:32:25 <grzegorz> I ve got so many questions
Nov 21 18:32:26 <magnet_> hi grzegorz .
Nov 21 18:32:35 <grzegorz> one more!
Nov 21 18:32:37 <magnet_> heh 2 for the price of one.
Nov 21 18:32:41 <magnet_> :)
Nov 21 18:32:52 <grzegorz> I am glad to see you
Nov 21 18:33:01 <grzegorz> ok. from the beginning
Nov 21 18:33:20 <grzegorz> I am completly new Zaurus owner SL-C1000
Nov 21 18:33:55 <grzegorz> and I can't decide what should I do - flash or not...
Nov 21 18:34:11 <grzegorz> if yes - which rom 
Nov 21 18:34:23 <magnet_> angstrom for sure.
Nov 21 18:34:25 <CoreDump> well, it can't hurt to try all available "ROMs"
Nov 21 18:35:04 <grzegorz> I think about OZ, becouse one of developers is from my country
Nov 21 18:35:37 <grzegorz> Marcin Juszkiewicz 
Nov 21 18:35:42 <grzegorz> I am from Poland
Nov 21 18:37:01 <CoreDump> that would be hrw|gone 
Nov 21 18:37:07 <grzegorz> more over I find somewere, that OZ is similar to Slackware It's true?
Nov 21 18:38:41 <grzegorz> I need also good word procesor for zaurus, what you advice me
Nov 21 18:40:08 <CoreDump> OZ is dead, no longer developed
Nov 21 18:40:14 <CoreDump> successor is angstrom
Nov 21 18:40:22 <CoreDump> abiword is available
Nov 21 18:40:52 <grzegorz> but I read that angstrom it's future of OZ
Nov 21 18:41:09 <CoreDump> well yes
Nov 21 18:41:22 <grzegorz> is this any difference?
Nov 21 18:41:26 <CoreDump> no
Nov 21 18:43:33 <grzegorz> do you know how is i n Angstrom with support for iso-8859-2 fonts
Nov 21 18:44:28 <grzegorz> can I use regular ttf fonts like in "big" linux?
Nov 21 18:44:47 <CoreDump> no idea, sorry
Nov 21 18:46:18 <grzegorz> do you have to convert fonts?
Nov 21 18:46:33 <CoreDump> I never messed with fonts at all
Nov 21 18:47:25 <CoreDump> Does anyone here have a good mencoder cmdline for watching these infamous 350Mb episodes on a Spitz?
Nov 21 18:49:54 <grzegorz> but I found information, that c1000 (Akita) is not supported
Nov 21 18:50:25 <Zero_Chaos> grzegorz: it is now.
Nov 21 18:51:04 <grzegorz> look: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/blog/xora
Nov 21 18:51:56 <Zero_Chaos> grzegorz: tell you want, you can listen, or you can paste links.  I'm telling you that akita is supported by angstrom now, you can believe me or you can not.  Your call.
Nov 21 18:52:25 <grzegorz> ok. I found one more page with opposite information
Nov 21 18:52:38 <grzegorz> I belive you
Nov 21 18:52:49 <Zero_Chaos> that's good.  I'm so happy now.
Nov 21 18:53:16 <grzegorz> Zero_Chaos: can you tell me something about iso-8859-2 fonts?
Nov 21 18:53:46 <Zero_Chaos> grzegorz: I sure can't.
Nov 21 18:54:47 <grzegorz> should I convert or use native ttf ?
Nov 21 18:55:04 * Zero_Chaos is not the one to ask such questions.
Nov 21 19:08:39 <dcordes> hmm coffee
Nov 21 19:28:25 <grzegorz> I am just after supper
Nov 21 19:30:01 <dcordes> hmmmmm supper
Nov 21 19:30:43 <grzegorz> sausage with ketchup
Nov 21 19:33:10 <grzegorz> do you know something about poky linux on zaurus?
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