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Nov 24 06:29:56 <hvontres|home> koen: good morning :)
Nov 24 07:33:48 <hvontres1home> koen:ping
Nov 24 11:21:33 <magnet_> pft I got to admin that zaurus thing is just big shit.
Nov 24 11:21:42 <magnet_> totally useless.
Nov 24 11:22:13 <magnet_> even the minimal software requiered on a pda doesn't works, such ask pim stufF.
Nov 24 14:46:00 <vanguard> Hi all.
Nov 24 14:46:49 <vanguard> I get "Segmentation fault" when doing an "ipkg upgrade", but NOT at special packets. Just randomly.
Nov 24 14:47:26 <vanguard> Should I send a bugreport ?
Nov 24 14:47:41 <dcordes> hi vanguard 
Nov 24 14:47:50 <vanguard> Hi dcordes !
Nov 24 14:47:55 <dcordes> I had that ones when my flash was full..
Nov 24 14:48:07 <vanguard> No, flash is not full.
Nov 24 14:48:49 <vanguard> This is randomly. Sometimes a reboot is helping.
Nov 24 14:49:08 <vanguard> I am watching this already since some time.
Nov 24 14:51:38 <vanguard> Maybe there are too many processes running, when doing an upgrade.
Nov 24 14:52:16 <dcordes> hm no idea then
Nov 24 14:53:28 <vanguard> Me too. The graphical package manager can not be used, too. This one is a disaster !
Nov 24 14:54:42 <dcordes> I never used it since it is broken from the first time I flashed angström
Nov 24 14:54:46 <dcordes> ^^
Nov 24 14:55:39 <vanguard> Yes, same to me. Although it is nice, to look the descriptions with the GUI.
Nov 24 14:56:52 <dcordes> did you have a look if there is a bug filed about the gpe package manager?
Nov 24 14:57:37 <vanguard> No I didn#t. I believe, no one is willing to work on this package manager.
Nov 24 15:03:01 <vanguard> I suppose, the reason for "Segfault" might be related to the manufacturer of the card. I suppose, there are differences ion the hardware.
Nov 24 15:03:13 <vanguard> Some sd-cards are better than others.
Nov 24 15:04:18 <vanguard> At the moment I use Scandisk, but may Kingston card seem to run more stable.
Nov 24 15:20:26 <dcordes> vanguard: they differ most in read/write speed
Nov 24 15:21:13 <vanguard> Yes, but they seem also differ, when you want to use ext2 instead of the "normal" FAT.
Nov 24 15:22:48 <vanguard> Some sd-cards seem to be able to use ext2 better than other. I could not figure out, why this is so. I suppose, it is bcause of differences during the manufacturing process.
Nov 24 15:24:03 <vanguard> Some cards appear as two devices, although there is only ONE partition i.e. /dev/mmcblk0 and /dev/mmcblk0p1 
Nov 24 15:25:05 <vanguard> Other cards appear only as /dec/mmcblk0p1, which is the corrdct one.
Nov 24 15:25:32 <vanguard>  /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 24 15:27:32 <vanguard> Anyway, as it seem not to be a bug, there is no need to report it.
Nov 24 16:28:27 <gmad> hello!
Nov 24 16:35:42 <Noble> is there a users room?
Nov 24 16:35:49 <Noble> er... channel
Nov 24 16:36:40 <Noble> ... I just found the charger for my zaurus 5500... looking to get an open source linux distribution up and running on it with a gui (not just console)
Nov 24 16:36:54 <dcordes> there is only this distro channel. alternatively you can use the user's mailing list
Nov 24 16:37:11 <Noble> something fairly usable from install for web browsing (home automation)
Nov 24 16:37:15 <dcordes> Noble: do you know how to flash sl5500?
Nov 24 16:37:17 <Noble> would angstrom be a good choice?
Nov 24 16:37:21 <dcordes> yes
Nov 24 16:37:32 <Noble> i have long since forgotten since open embedded 2005
Nov 24 16:37:52 <Noble> i don't know what build it was, but it was quite quite old
Nov 24 16:37:56 <gmad> I am
Nov 24 16:38:05 <Noble> i still have my cf card though
Nov 24 16:38:12 <Noble> and i see your unstable packages
Nov 24 16:38:32 <gmad> I cant help you - I am Z-newbie 
Nov 24 16:38:32 <Noble> and if i want a gui, looks like i have to use the build from july
Nov 24 16:39:26 <Noble> my zaurus is sadly, not officially supported, so no flashing instructions
Nov 24 16:39:42 <dcordes> ok
Nov 24 16:40:07 <dcordes> you can use the x11 image from july and flash the latest kernel release among with the modules
Nov 24 16:40:09 <gmad> I am looking information about headset for zaurus
Nov 24 16:42:52 <dcordes> Noble: use the openzaurus instructions.
Nov 24 16:43:36 <gmad> look: http://europe.nokia.com/A4399929 I don't know, is this works with Zaurus?
Nov 24 16:45:54 <gmad> what do you think?
Nov 24 16:47:18 <Noble> yeah, i'm reading them over now
Nov 24 16:47:19 <Noble> thanks
Nov 24 16:47:38 <gmad> I am looking information about headset for Zaurus. I found something like this: http://europe.nokia.com/A4399929
Nov 24 16:48:18 <gmad> The jack plug looks like compatible with Z
Nov 24 16:49:01 <dcordes> no idea never used a headset with my z before
Nov 24 16:49:20 <dcordes> Xora|gone ones told me there are nokia headsets compatible with the z..
Nov 24 16:49:49 <dcordes> once
Nov 24 16:50:48 <gmad> and what do you think about headset button?
Nov 24 16:51:54 <gmad> It should be accesible for Zauri Linux system
Nov 24 16:56:57 <gmad> I am back!
Nov 24 17:06:11 <Noble> so a jffs2 file is about the same as an initrd file?
Nov 24 17:06:22 <Noble> from my OZ days?
Nov 24 17:07:11 <Noble> wipe my cf, copy on the zImage and .jffs2 file and follow the hardware flashing instructions?
Nov 24 17:07:54 <gmad> I'v got one more question. What do you think about Sharp remote control RH-CE2 or something like this
Nov 24 18:18:45 <Noble> can anyone tell me what i should rename Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-test-20070711-collie.rootfs.jffs2 to, for flashing onto a sl5500 (collie)?
Nov 24 18:19:23 <Noble> i'm guessing initrd.bin
Nov 24 18:36:21 <magnet_> does anyone tried enlightement as window manager ? I followed the docs on the the website, but it do no want to start, complaining about Evas.
Nov 24 19:57:03 <Noble> i really hope i don't brick my ol' zaurus
Nov 24 19:58:47 <CoreDump> magnet_: yes, a few month ago. It is basically unusable as DE for a PDA unfortunately - or it was, back then
Nov 24 20:00:39 <CoreDump> Noble: there are installation instructions for all supported devices in the angstrom-distribution.org wiki
Nov 24 20:11:27 <Noble> core, i see you're gone now, but its not an officially supported device... thats the problem
Nov 24 20:11:37 <Noble> although there are packages released
Nov 24 20:54:19 <gmad> hello!
Nov 24 20:54:29 <Noble> howdy
Nov 24 20:56:35 <gmad> how are you?
Nov 24 21:06:30 <Noble> i'm alright... 
Nov 24 21:08:08 <Zero_Chaos> Noble: you will not be able to flash Angstrom-x11 onto a collie, it is way too big
Nov 24 21:08:28 <summatusmentis> still?
Nov 24 21:08:51 <Noble> theres a collie image on your official site
Nov 24 21:08:57 <Noble> its unstable, obviously
Nov 24 21:08:59 <Noble> but its there
Nov 24 21:09:09 <Noble> says x11 too
Nov 24 21:09:39 <summatusmentis> just means it's been built for collie, doesn't mean it'll work
Nov 24 21:10:30 <Noble> hah
Nov 24 21:10:39 <Noble> fantastic.. i have high expectations
Nov 24 21:11:09 <Noble> well someone took the time to build it... its the right size... as long as it doesn't brick my device, I'll try it out
Nov 24 21:12:27 <Zero_Chaos> Noble: it is nearly impossible to brick the device.
Nov 24 21:12:38 <Noble> thats good
Nov 24 21:16:58 <Zero_Chaos> Noble: worst case senario, I've had to pull the battery for 24 hours
Nov 24 21:18:04 <Noble> i just foud the charger for my Z... hoping to use it around the house for home automation
Nov 24 21:18:25 <Noble> so i really just need a web browser that automatically comes up at boot
Nov 24 21:18:30 <Noble> but since i already own the device
Nov 24 21:18:32 <Noble> ...
Nov 24 21:18:56 <Noble> music control / lights / tv recording scheduling
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