**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:56 2007 Dec 04 03:39:11 how would i find which files are not in monotone's control? Dec 04 09:19:43 Please, I need some advice: I've been some weeks trying to get an Angstrom distro (qemuarm) with MIPv6 support on it. If anyone knows, please guide me and forgive my ignorance. I posted for help at Developer Distribution List twice but got no answer... :-( Dec 04 09:27:15 how to debug image recipes? use -D have no effect Dec 04 09:27:27 how to debug image recipes? use -D have no effect Dec 04 09:27:29 ERROR: No providers of runtime build target ${IMAGE_INSTALL} (for ['/home/sbox/moko/openmeter/packages/openmeter/openmeter-minigui-image.bb']) Dec 04 09:27:58 ${IMAGE_INSTALL} is strange here Dec 04 09:30:04 readon: Does openmeter-minigui-image.bb contain a "IMAGE_INSTALL =" line ? Dec 04 09:34:05 likewise: i will check that Dec 04 10:02:42 koen: thx for adding the ixp4xx nslu2 images to the autobuilder - it seems that they are finally green in tinderbox :-) Dec 04 10:03:06 tinderbox still doesn't like parallel bitbake, though Dec 04 10:03:20 we need to clone zecke to have that fixed Dec 04 10:04:13 koen: what could be the cause for that? Dec 04 10:04:30 koen: so do I now test that autobuilt image, and then wait for ssh access to be approved so I can copy them to the feed? Dec 04 10:05:13 tinderbox wants to have stuff in order instead (one do_build after another) and gets confused by the new task system Dec 04 10:05:44 koen: because it interprets the output? Dec 04 10:07:03 i think SRC_URI would automatically find the proper file in different distro,is that ture? Dec 04 10:07:18 would it also do that with different machine? Dec 04 10:07:26 as psplash's header file Dec 04 10:07:45 rwhitby: didn't one of the coreteam members mail you back that we want a dss key, not an rsa key? Dec 04 10:08:43 ah no. Is there something wrong with rsa2 keys? Dec 04 10:09:18 I had troubles with rsa keys a few years ago, so I always ask for dss keys :) Dec 04 10:09:26 (I use an rsa2 key in at least 10 other places) Dec 04 10:10:12 keep poking the coreteam to add your key Dec 04 10:10:17 someone probably sent you an rsa1 key Dec 04 10:10:53 * koen is trying to reduce the koen-gets-hit-by-bus factor, but is quite unsuccessfull Dec 04 10:11:12 so hrw, RP or mickey|bbiab could do that? Dec 04 10:11:33 anyone that has ssh access to the angstrom account Dec 04 10:12:06 * CoreDump believes that 3 different admins are quite enough to avoid the being-hit-by-a-bus problem Dec 04 10:12:35 CoreDump: yes, but it always ends up me doing stuff after waiting a week for the others Dec 04 10:12:42 :\ Dec 04 10:12:45 rwhitby: I don't have angstrom ssh access Dec 04 10:12:58 koen: The problem is we're all maxed out :( Dec 04 10:13:33 I have a choice between things like packaged staging and other development work or something like angstrom. I've been doing the former since others can and are doing the latter... Dec 04 10:13:37 RP: my annoyance is that people wanted a coreteam to stop me from being the bottleneck, and I still end up being the bottleneck Dec 04 10:13:41 well, I've got some days of testing first, so no hurry. Dec 04 10:14:18 koen: It wasn't just the bottleneck, it was for transparency. We've achieved a lot of the latter and I think that is good Dec 04 10:14:35 Hopefully that is coming accross to others too Dec 04 10:14:50 koen: well, find someone who is a) not maxed out and b) reachable via IRC. There ought to be somebody that fits your profile? Dec 04 10:15:23 CoreDump: dunno, I had very little say in assembling the coreteam Dec 04 10:15:31 heh Dec 04 10:15:48 heck, I don't even now who is in it Dec 04 10:16:14 * koen checks Dec 04 10:16:21 koen: I think if you propose some sensible changes you have a good chance of seeing them happen Dec 04 10:16:29 that should probably be noted somewhere. In case one needs to contact one of the hidden few Dec 04 10:16:51 XorA, hvontres, me, mickeyl, hrw, psokolovsky, rwhitby, RP according to mailman Dec 04 10:17:09 * RP was surprised to end up on the coreteam list list since I was dileberately keeping out of it :} Dec 04 10:17:16 =) Dec 04 10:17:24 CoreDump: angstrom-distro-coreteam@linuxtogo.org Dec 04 10:17:32 bleh, the german D2 network is overloaded Dec 04 10:17:40 I'm not on that list Dec 04 10:17:41 which gets your mail in a request queue that mickeyl never checks Dec 04 10:17:49 oh,lol Dec 04 10:17:57 so I end up checking the q once a week myself Dec 04 10:18:06 koen: so solution to that is more mail admins Dec 04 10:18:32 XorA: right, but that's something for the list-admin to do Dec 04 10:18:43 We have the same problem with the OE coreteam, plenty of work to be done and nobody with time to do it :( Dec 04 10:18:45 I happen to have the mailman root password on the listserver Dec 04 10:20:20 * XorA has lots of opinions on the whole "new" server topic, but no facts or ability to make it happen Dec 04 10:49:49 koen, everyone: Do you want cdbot2s channel logs openly available? If yes, the topic should be changed to reflect that, if not I'll p/w protect the logs. Dec 04 10:50:32 I have no strong opinion on that Dec 04 10:53:18 hi! Dec 04 10:54:27 is that the polite way to say "I don't give a shit"? ;) Dec 04 10:55:06 yes Dec 04 10:56:06 koen: You have obviously attended too many of these "bullshit" white-collar meetings. Dec 04 10:57:42 "using lots of words but saying nothing" Dec 04 10:58:45 indeed. Dec 04 10:59:07 To quote George Carlin: "If you have to take a shit, SAY SO" Dec 04 11:00:12 I introduced the OEDEM slogan to the university as well Dec 04 11:00:25 fun to watch the reactions to "don't be so elitist" Dec 04 11:00:53 =D Dec 04 11:01:42 problem is:In the eyes of most mouse-pushers and windows-lovers, we are elitist by definition. Dec 04 11:06:36 * XorA is Super Elite Dec 04 11:08:31 hi there Dec 04 11:11:05 how to print out current distro_feature & machine_feature? Dec 04 11:18:48 hi, how do i install ipkg applications on a cf/sd card (i finished space on /dev/mtdblock2 on my zaurus c760)? Dec 04 11:19:25 you boot from SD or use altboot to boot from SD or you chroot to SD Dec 04 11:21:19 ok thanks Dec 04 11:25:45 morning Dec 04 11:25:55 CoreDump: add url of logs to topic/ Dec 04 11:25:58 ? Dec 04 11:26:14 !logs Dec 04 11:26:15 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Dec 04 11:26:16 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Dec 04 11:26:17 Live-logs are available at Dec 04 11:26:18 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Dec 04 11:26:20 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Dec 04 11:26:25 heh Dec 04 11:27:20 it was more meant as warning as suggested by freenode policies Dec 04 11:43:11 is bluetooth & wifi default package in angstrom? Dec 04 11:45:36 task-base-bluetooth \ Dec 04 11:45:37 task-base-wifi \ Dec 04 11:45:42 in PACKAGES Dec 04 11:45:55 task-base.bb Dec 04 11:49:17 readon: It seems that bluetooth and wifi are COMBINED FEATURES Dec 04 11:49:42 they must be on both DISTRO and MACHINE features list Dec 04 11:50:21 And if it helps, I've noticed that on qemuarm machine, wifi is not included Dec 04 11:54:00 Dows anyone know what do I have to 'bitbake -c clean' when changing a DISTRO_FEATURE? Dec 04 11:55:52 ffc, i did not assign those features,but they are in my depends list. Dec 04 11:58:48 readon: I mean that if you check org.openembedded.dev/conf you will find 'distro' and 'machine' folders where stand all the configuration files and FEATURES are set Dec 04 12:00:41 For example, if you read angstrom.inc on conf/distro/include, you'll find DISTRO_FEATURE list Dec 04 12:00:45 for angstrom distro Dec 04 12:03:39 Does anyone know what do I have to 'bitbake -c clean' when changing a DISTRO_FEATURE? (linux-rp for example?) Dec 04 12:03:41 ffc, i write my own distro based upon angstrom Dec 04 12:03:57 heh Dec 04 12:04:05 task-base-distro? Dec 04 12:04:07 another person that needs to be 'special' Dec 04 12:04:23 maybe we should organize the angstrom derivate-specialympics Dec 04 12:04:47 and hand out prizes for varying degrees of pointlessness Dec 04 12:06:36 readon: shouldn't you have a configuration file for your distro? Dec 04 12:07:21 you mean write a totally new one? Dec 04 12:08:27 don't know... maybe you can make a new one including angstrom.inc file Dec 04 12:08:44 i want to debug that, but there is no info on that. Dec 04 12:09:19 i used "require" Dec 04 12:09:30 LOL Dec 04 12:09:38 info is difficult to find around here Dec 04 12:10:12 hi, where can i find rootfs tarball for a c760? Dec 04 12:10:56 RedsH: go to the website and click on downloads Dec 04 12:11:03 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/c7x0/20071104/ Dec 04 12:16:10 those tgz contain a initrd.bin, is it ok for altboot? Dec 04 12:17:43 no Dec 04 12:18:12 how do i create a tar rootfs? mount the initrd.bin and then gzip it? Dec 04 12:18:44 grab tarball? Dec 04 12:31:27 grab tarball from where? Dec 04 12:34:43 ffc: aiui you only need the ipv6 mobility kernel module and the mipl userspace utils, right? Dec 04 12:35:04 yes Dec 04 12:46:41 ffc: so this is what you want: http://rafb.net/p/ajbdbx96.txt ? Dec 04 12:48:37 Thanks a lot Koen, I'll check it and tell Dec 04 12:49:46 the RDEPENDS are wrong in the task file, but that's easy to correct Dec 04 12:50:04 ffc: and kernel 2.6.23 has mipl builtin Dec 04 12:50:13 !!! Dec 04 12:51:31 damn it, I have to leave now. I'll be back in an hour Dec 04 12:51:41 Thanks very much Koen Dec 04 13:05:06 ffc: I just pushed some mip6 changes (untested) and an RFC to the -devel list, could you have a look at those and give feedback? Dec 04 13:05:22 It's has been over two years ago since I last looked at mip6 support Dec 04 13:05:45 which was when I still had native ipv6 support from my provider Dec 04 13:06:42 ~lart sixxs.net Dec 04 16:12:56 bye! Dec 04 17:26:00 CoreDump: Hy! Dec 04 17:30:51 Is this possible to use pdaXrom packages on Angstrm? Dec 04 17:31:51 no, it isn't Dec 04 17:32:11 you can't even use pdaXrom packages on pdaXrom Dec 04 17:33:07 I would like to install xfce on C1000 - it's possible to find manual with packages? Dec 04 17:33:18 or E17 ... Dec 04 17:33:29 why do you need pdaX packages for that? Dec 04 17:33:37 xfce and e17 are in the angstrom repo Dec 04 17:33:54 are they stable? Dec 04 17:34:13 e17 isn't even released yet Dec 04 17:34:20 what do you think? Dec 04 17:34:26 (rhetorical question) Dec 04 17:34:50 xfce needs someone who use it to polish it Dec 04 17:35:09 what kind of changes? Dec 04 17:36:42 installing, making it start and works Dec 04 17:38:39 where can I find packages? Dec 04 17:38:44 in feeds? Dec 04 17:39:58 I see a few versions of arm, eg. armv5... which should I chse? Dec 04 17:40:03 I see a few versions of arm, eg. armv5... which should I chse?chose? Dec 04 17:40:10 let ipkg choose for you Dec 04 17:40:26 I haven't internet connection in my Z Dec 04 17:42:47 I would grab all feeds then Dec 04 17:43:11 no way... I much to download Dec 04 17:44:34 then grab armv5te ones Dec 04 17:45:51 even armv5te - it will be a lot! Dec 04 17:50:10 gmad: you might want to get at least USB networking working. Dec 04 17:50:33 gmad: that made life with my poole a lot easier Dec 04 17:50:47 * hvontres|work now has WiFi as well Dec 04 17:50:50 really? I didn't know? how to do it? Dec 04 17:51:12 I have bluetooth also Dec 04 17:51:59 gmad: there are a bunch of how-to docs out there. Getting the masqerading/bridging on your desktop working is probably the trickyest part Dec 04 17:53:08 I will look for it. thanks! Dec 04 17:54:26 By the way, I have to buy stylus to my C1000, do you know where to buy exept ebay (they have really ugly styli) Dec 04 17:54:48 gmad: the USB connection is also handy for having an ssh connection to the Z. having a full size keyboard and screen really helps. Dec 04 17:55:02 yes, it is Dec 04 17:55:34 gmad: you might try amazon.com. I know they have some that fit the 5500, but I don't know if those work with a Cxxx Dec 04 17:55:58 gmad, I use pilot pentopia with included ballpen Dec 04 17:56:21 dcordes: I sow it - I would like to buy it Dec 04 17:56:42 I never use the ballepn though Dec 04 17:56:53 could make you decent offer ^^ Dec 04 17:56:57 j/k Dec 04 17:57:35 http://www.amazon.com/PILOT-CORP-Chameleon-Stylus-Combination/dp/B00006I5MS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196791037&sr=8-1 Dec 04 17:59:57 17 $ + 12$ (sipment) - no way - to expensive! Dec 04 18:00:15 and three week of delivery! Dec 04 18:03:16 gmad: amazon has also other styli Dec 04 18:03:51 5500 styli is same size as other Z - only tosa (6000) has other styli Dec 04 18:03:55 I think about any shop in EU Dec 04 18:04:40 gmad: some people use palm tungsten E ones but they are a bit other size Dec 04 18:05:15 * hrw has one metal styli (pdair one iirc), one plastic (c760 default), one plastic from sl-6000 Dec 04 18:05:56 I have Tungsten E - stylus is too long Dec 04 18:06:14 visit pdair website then Dec 04 18:07:51 look: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_2500000_85&products_id=2051 Dec 04 18:09:40 can I put this stulus into oryginal Z whole Dec 04 18:09:42 ??? Dec 04 18:10:25 no Dec 04 18:10:28 its too big Dec 04 18:10:37 its normal size pen with stylus end Dec 04 18:10:45 I have two of them Dec 04 18:11:05 http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_2500000_85&products_id=1024 is what I have here Dec 04 18:11:08 very good styli Dec 04 18:11:35 have you got C-1000? Dec 04 18:11:46 * dcordes also wants metal stylus for akita Dec 04 18:12:00 I have: own 5000 & c760 and sl-6000 from OE Dec 04 18:12:10 also had 5600 and c3000 from OE Dec 04 18:12:52 because, maybe you know, the Sony Playstation Poratble sync/charge cable could be used in C1000 Dec 04 18:13:56 I have also CE-RH2 remote for Zaurus - do you know it? Dec 04 18:14:04 I know both Dec 04 18:14:25 hrw: CE-RH2 works in Angstrom? Dec 04 18:14:44 I can also say that chargers for ipaq h3xxx can be used with zaurus (the ones with round connector) Dec 04 18:14:47 gmad: iirc yes Dec 04 18:15:17 no, CE-RH2 it's cable remote for earphones Dec 04 18:15:46 gmad: ce-rh1 is also cable remote Dec 04 18:15:57 they only differ in values of used resistors Dec 04 18:16:12 yes, it is - they look the same Dec 04 18:16:35 hrw: can I use it in Angstrom? Dec 04 18:17:18 dcordes: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_2500000_85&products_id=1024 Dec 04 18:17:42 04 19:17 < hrw> gmad: iirc yes Dec 04 18:23:29 gmad, I have a similar one right now. I want one which is completely made of metal (except of the head) so I look like an important businessman with my akita Dec 04 18:23:48 like in Tungsten... Dec 04 18:26:08 dcordes: :DDD Dec 04 18:26:19 dcordes: get pdair one Dec 04 18:31:14 hrw, do you have an idea where I can get them in EU? Dec 04 18:33:27 somebody knows/uses a good (kernel modules existent) gprs/edge pcmcia card or usb device? Dec 04 18:35:05 how to turn on sshd on Z? Dec 04 18:36:43 gmad, ipkg install openssh-sshd Dec 04 18:36:44 or dropbear Dec 04 18:37:38 but I get segmentation fault during feeds update in package manager Dec 04 18:37:53 no space? wget error? Dec 04 18:39:29 sorry, it's network problem. Dec 04 18:39:46 I can ping PC, but I havent interent connection Dec 04 18:42:23 dcordes: pdair is in europe shops too Dec 04 18:44:31 I have to finish. It was nice to chat wit you... Dec 04 21:09:11 anyone know a better way than email to reach the akita maintainer? Dec 04 21:10:23 (because it is borked) Dec 04 21:13:38 nope Dec 04 21:13:47 can you fix it? Dec 04 21:14:24 yes, given time. I'll find a working rev asap, but someone will have to preferred version the working kernel once I find it. Dec 04 21:14:38 oh yeah, and plant a foot in the akita mentor ;-) Dec 04 21:14:52 did you flash with the old updater.sh or the new one? Dec 04 21:15:05 ;) Dec 04 21:15:16 CoreDump: hey, the updater script is fine! :-) Dec 04 21:15:21 CoreDump: it's the damned kernel, has to be. Dec 04 21:15:31 CoreDump: backlight flashes, then the whole thing dies Dec 04 21:15:49 it might be incorrectly flashed... Dec 04 21:16:01 it is worth a try IMO Dec 04 21:16:17 CoreDump: can you suggest a rev for zaurus-updater that I should test? Dec 04 21:16:58 http://hentges.net/tmp/snapshots/Hentges-ROM/1.0.0/20061030/akita/updater.sh Dec 04 21:17:05 heh Dec 04 21:17:08 fair enough Dec 04 21:17:22 can't hurt Dec 04 21:17:28 bbiab Dec 04 21:17:49 CoreDump: I will try that first, considering I know it stopped working some time around the unified updater.sh... thanks Dec 04 21:34:14 CoreDump: you are a beautifal man you know. Please ping me when you get back. Dec 04 22:06:36 ping Zero_Chaos Dec 04 22:07:38 CoreDump: the updater.sh you gave me worked (according to my test boy). Is that from before akita was using the unified updater.sh? Dec 04 22:07:44 yes Dec 04 22:07:58 it's the old updater we used for ages Dec 04 22:08:10 CoreDump: and if I am not mistaken, the akita updater.sh has not yet been purged from monotone, yes? Dec 04 22:08:33 nope, still there AFAIK Dec 04 22:09:33 CoreDump: I know this is a large request, but can you set it back so that akita uses the akita specific updater.sh? I will dedicate any time nessesary to fix the problems, but for now, there are other users and it should work. Dec 04 22:10:04 will do later Dec 04 22:10:24 CoreDump: put in the notes that if anyone wants to help fix it, I will be their bitch. Dec 04 22:55:14 the new updater.sh is missing the entire logic to flash akitas kernel Dec 04 22:55:33 LoL Dec 04 22:55:42 that might explain something. Dec 04 22:56:10 CoreDump: two options, fix the "new" updater.sh and I will test, or just revert and let someone else do it. Dec 04 22:57:12 CoreDump: did you ever manage to revive your poodle? Dec 04 22:58:17 no, but I didn't exactly try yet. Dec 04 22:58:38 it is at work and I'm on holidays ;) Dec 04 22:58:45 CoreDump: np :) Dec 04 23:03:15 hacking updater.sh truly is disgusting Dec 04 23:04:16 CoreDump: yes Dec 04 23:05:44 well, I got a hopefully fixed updater.sh but can't encrypt it as I've deleted my tmp/ Dec 04 23:06:47 heh Dec 04 23:06:57 CoreDump: you want to post it and I'll see what I can do? Dec 04 23:08:55 http://hentges.net/tmp/updater.sh-akitafix Dec 04 23:09:09 CoreDump: so this is the "new" updater.sh plus akita fixes. Dec 04 23:09:17 yes Dec 04 23:09:46 CoreDump: I'll test 'er out Dec 04 23:15:51 CoreDump: failed, miserably Dec 04 23:16:18 CoreDump: it prints the size of the kernel file, then dies Dec 04 23:16:26 CoreDump: (and doesn't even try to do rootfs Dec 04 23:16:31 dies? Dec 04 23:17:00 CoreDump: drops to /bin/sh Dec 04 23:17:34 Did you see "Note: Flashing Akita kernel"? Dec 04 23:18:05 CoreDump: yessir Dec 04 23:18:24 CoreDump: but unless it is the new "instant flasher" then it didn't do anything. Dec 04 23:19:45 echo $TARGETFILE':'$DATASIZE'bytes' Dec 04 23:19:51 did you see the above? Dec 04 23:19:58 both variables were set? Dec 04 23:20:17 yes Dec 04 23:20:32 hmm, size seemed wrong, lemme try again Dec 04 23:22:06 CoreDump: says "zimage.bin:1256168bytes" which I am pretty sure is wrong Dec 04 23:22:31 1.2Mb sounds about right for a kernel Dec 04 23:22:48 really? Dec 04 23:22:53 okay Dec 04 23:23:18 yeah, that is it Dec 04 23:23:25 I just checked on the build host Dec 04 23:23:31 but still, it did nothing Dec 04 23:23:53 http://hentges.net/tmp/updater.sh-akitafix2 Dec 04 23:24:04 try the above Dec 04 23:24:46 okie-dokie Dec 04 23:27:02 keep in mind that flashing the kernel is relatively fast Dec 04 23:27:40 CoreDump: I've done this a lot, it's not that fast, and shouldn't it flash the rootfs too ? Dec 04 23:28:03 if it doesn't try to flash a rootfs, it didn't find one Dec 04 23:28:34 CoreDump: this time it said "Kernel: Finished" Dec 04 23:28:42 DAMNIT Dec 04 23:28:54 I just added that Dec 04 23:28:57 CoreDump: I forgot to rename the jffs2 to initrd... Dec 04 23:29:01 CoreDump: I'm sorry, I'm retarded Dec 04 23:29:10 no worries Dec 04 23:29:27 CoreDump: but if you could remove the debug stuff and add in the cool progress indicator (if possible) Dec 04 23:30:31 The progress thingy was probably one of the ugliest hacks ever done in a bash script. There is no way I would touch this crap voluntarily. Dec 04 23:31:29 CoreDump: you know what, it works, so I don't really care about the progress indicator as much as the working :-) Dec 04 23:31:41 ;) Dec 04 23:31:45 CoreDump: you can leave it as is, but committing would be great :-) Dec 04 23:31:51 so you tested it? Dec 04 23:31:55 CoreDump: I'll hack on it a bit myself later. Dec 04 23:31:58 CoreDump: testing one more time. Dec 04 23:36:33 CoreDump: scrolling errors Dec 04 23:36:46 CoreDump: something about jffs and magic bitmasks Dec 04 23:36:58 doesn't look good Dec 04 23:38:33 jffs2_scan_erase_block(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at Dec 04 23:38:41 and then it prints sequential addresses Dec 04 23:38:51 over and over and over and over and over again Dec 04 23:39:37 and in the end the kernel boots? Dec 04 23:40:02 dunno, it was going for a few minutes so I killed it. Dec 04 23:44:27 dunno then Dec 04 23:44:50 it was basically cut and paste from the old updater so it is supposed to work Dec 04 23:49:01 CoreDump: I never said it was your fault, I'm working if my jffs2 image was bad. I'm going to rebuild it. Dec 04 23:57:21 I've pushed the changes, maybe someone else can find out what's wrong Dec 04 23:58:31 CoreDump: I'm testing again with a rebuilt image, we will see if it works better this time Dec 05 00:02:45 CoreDump: still doesn't work, I'll mess around and talk to my buddy when he gets back. Dec 05 02:33:15 is wifi & bluetooth a default features of angstrom? i assign MACHINE_FEATURES = "ext2" but wifi & bluetooth was included. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 05 02:59:56 2007