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Dec 14 10:16:56 <ffc> CoreDump: do you know where could I get help on a package that doesn compile?
Dec 14 10:17:25 <CoreDump> well, you could ask in #oe and check the bugtracker
Dec 14 10:18:14 <ffc> I asked koen and hrw, but didn't know how to solve it
Dec 14 10:18:46 <ffc> I thought about asking about it in #oe... but wasn't sure
Dec 14 10:19:08 <ffc> I'll try there then, thanks
Dec 14 10:23:34 <ffc> LOL I've just found it: bug #3425
Dec 14 10:25:06 <CoreDump> !oebug 3425
Dec 14 10:25:08 <cdbot2> * * Bug 3425, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-12-04 05:08
Dec 14 10:25:09 <cdbot2> * * <OE-Autobuilder>: mipv6-2.0.2-r0-do_configure
Dec 14 10:25:10 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3425
Dec 14 10:26:10 <ffc> ahh, I didn't know that trick ;-)
Dec 14 10:26:30 <ffc> the thing now is how to solve it
Dec 14 10:27:12 <CoreDump> configure: error: kernel headers do not support MIPv6.
Dec 14 10:27:20 <CoreDump> well, that should be solveable
Dec 14 10:27:47 <CoreDump> check how configure determines if the headers have support or not, then fix it
Dec 14 10:28:20 <ffc> it looks for a enum called RTPROT_MIP
Dec 14 10:29:11 <CoreDump> and your kernel doesn't have it?
Dec 14 10:29:40 <CoreDump> or is it picking up the *host* kernel headers?
Dec 14 10:29:40 <ffc> no
Dec 14 10:30:33 <ffc> well, I've seen that it's not in 2.6.23 (angstrom)
Dec 14 10:30:54 <CoreDump> there's your problem them
Dec 14 10:31:09 <CoreDump> you'll need a patched or updated kernel
Dec 14 10:31:24 <ffc> yes... I tried to path it myself
Dec 14 10:31:43 <ffc> but instead of failing at do_configure it failed at do_compile
Dec 14 10:31:49 <CoreDump> or maybe the configure is buggy and the check is wrong =)
Dec 14 10:32:30 <ffc> I've read at USAGI project that kernel 2.6.19 didn't support it yet
Dec 14 10:32:50 <ffc> but I'm using 2.6.23
Dec 14 10:33:12 <CoreDump> and configure says that one doesn't support it either
Dec 14 10:33:25 <ffc> yes
Dec 14 10:33:37 <ffc> if I define RTPROT_MIP at kernel headers
Dec 14 10:33:50 <ffc> with it's supposed value, 16
Dec 14 10:33:55 <CoreDump> so maybe configure is wrong, maybe the whole package is designed for another kernel / kernel-patch than the stuff in 2.6.23
Dec 14 10:34:02 <ffc> sure
Dec 14 10:34:21 <ffc> but since mipv6 is still an experimental thing
Dec 14 10:34:37 <ffc> there are not much support for it
Dec 14 10:34:51 <CoreDump> isn't there a mailing list for this stuff?
Dec 14 10:36:31 <ffc> for mipv6?
Dec 14 10:36:47 <ffc> honestly, I don't know :-)
Dec 14 10:37:25 <ffc> oh, yes
Dec 14 10:37:34 <ffc> on mipl project
Dec 14 10:38:02 <CoreDump> you should ask there ;)
Dec 14 10:38:07 <ffc> I searched but nothing found
Dec 14 10:38:13 <ffc> yes, you're right
Dec 14 10:38:48 <ffc> although mailing lists are sooo slooow
Dec 14 10:40:31 <CoreDump> true
Dec 14 10:40:58 <CoreDump> that' why many devs prefer IRC
Dec 14 10:41:51 <ffc> sure
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 12:32:07 2007
Dec 14 14:32:52 <DaedalusX> hi all
Dec 14 14:34:39 <DaedalusX> does anyone know if it's possible to have both soft-float and FPE binaries running at the same time? I think so, as long as the toolchain that the soft-float binaries are compiled with are using soft-float
Dec 14 14:36:36 <DaedalusX> or does angstrom already use soft-float?
Dec 14 14:36:52 <XorA|gone> angstrom is softfloat EABI on most arm devices
Dec 14 14:36:58 <DaedalusX> alright
Dec 14 14:37:32 <DaedalusX> hmmm, it's still pretty slow though :(
Dec 14 14:37:34 <DaedalusX> ah well
Dec 14 14:37:40 <XorA|gone> armv4 cant do EABI so its softfloat OABI and I think the arm11* devices are hardfloat EABI
Dec 14 14:38:13 <DaedalusX> what about the xscales?
Dec 14 14:38:23 <XorA|gone> softfloat EABI
Dec 14 14:38:27 <DaedalusX> k
Dec 14 14:38:53 <XorA|gone> without hardware, floats will always suck
Dec 14 14:39:03 <DaedalusX> fair enough
Dec 14 14:39:29 <XorA|gone> softfloat just sucks less than FPE
Dec 14 14:39:45 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 14:40:19 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, I imagine a lot of the sluggishness that I'm experiencing with fp-heavy stuff like games is that they weren't exactly targeted with the zaurus in mind :P
Dec 14 14:40:22 <DaedalusX> like snes9x
Dec 14 14:40:27 <DaedalusX> which runs like gaarrrrbage
Dec 14 14:40:34 <DaedalusX> although part of that is lack of memory
Dec 14 14:40:51 <XorA|gone> snes9x is slow because it needs the arm optimisations from gp2x merged back into mainline
Dec 14 14:41:02 <XorA|gone> it falls back to C implementations AFAIK
Dec 14 14:41:18 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 14:41:32 <XorA|gone> snes doesnt have floats
Dec 14 14:41:34 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, btw, do you know anything about fbcon?
Dec 14 14:41:39 <DaedalusX> that's what I said
Dec 14 14:41:41 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: nope
Dec 14 14:41:46 <DaedalusX> :P
Dec 14 14:44:41 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, is there any way to scale up stuff running at 240x320 that you know of? people point to fbcon but I'm having real trouble getting it working :(
Dec 14 14:45:19 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: what device you on
Dec 14 14:45:35 <DaedalusX> akita
Dec 14 14:47:37 <XorA|gone> fbset -x 240 -y 320 -n
Dec 14 14:47:47 <XorA|gone> that will resive 240x320 to be fullscreen
Dec 14 14:48:02 <DaedalusX> ah... I didn't put in the -n
Dec 14 14:48:10 <DaedalusX> maybe that's why it wasn't changing the resolution
Dec 14 14:49:34 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, hey, thanks a lot :)
Dec 14 14:49:51 <XorA|gone> :-D bloody undocumented busybox commands
Dec 14 14:49:56 <DaedalusX> heheheh
Dec 14 14:49:59 <DaedalusX> amen to that
Dec 14 14:50:08 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, I kept running it without -n
Dec 14 14:50:12 <DaedalusX> and it didn't change the damn resolution
Dec 14 14:50:15 <DaedalusX> "AARRRGGGG"
Dec 14 14:50:47 <DaedalusX> now if I could only get SDL to not freak out at me about that resolution :P
Dec 14 14:51:49 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, I've been working on getting the fbcon driver for SDL working with angstrom for a couple days now... it doesn't crash any more at least, but it keeps saying "no video mode large enough for 240x320" or something along that line... maybe it'll work now with fbset running -n?
Dec 14 14:52:10 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: hmm, SDL is a nasty bit of work
Dec 14 14:52:18 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: I know nothing about it on fbcon
Dec 14 14:52:22 <DaedalusX> nope... still no luck :P
Dec 14 14:53:18 <XorA|gone> I think part of the problem with SDL is it still has patches for 2.4 kernel which dont work right on the 2.6 kernel and it goes insane trying to work out the resolutions
Dec 14 14:54:08 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 14:54:15 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, that BVDD hack you mean? :P
Dec 14 14:56:12 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, wow.... I'm looking at SDL's fbcon code right now... they HARDWIRE certain resolutions in :P
Dec 14 14:56:14 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: I cant remeber off hand which patches are still applied
Dec 14 14:56:47 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: if your building your own SDL, it might be worth trying ripping out all the zaurus patches and seeing if it works better
Dec 14 14:57:04 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, yeah. I think I will
Dec 14 14:57:10 <XorA|gone> 2.6 fbcon is fully compatible with standards unlike the 2.4 one most patches are trying to work around
Dec 14 14:57:26 <DaedalusX> people I've talked to all say that the fbcon driver for SDL is something like 3 times faster for blitting than the X11 driver
Dec 14 14:57:33 <DaedalusX> which goes through fbdev anyway, right? :P
Dec 14 14:59:29 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, ahahahah, you wanna know how old some of this code is? /* Only tested on Matrox Millenium I */
Dec 14 15:01:34 <XorA|gone> :-)
Dec 14 15:02:04 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: x11 doesnt always render to the final bitmap, whereas fbcon/fbdev always dows
Dec 14 15:02:06 <XorA|gone> does
Dec 14 15:02:35 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 15:03:21 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, know of any way to speed up ipkg by any chance? if I'm gonna be recompiling sdl over and over, I don't wanna wait half an hour each time. orrr I could just copy the library XD
Dec 14 15:05:00 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: just use ar and tar to unstitch the ipkg
Dec 14 15:05:16 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 15:05:37 <DaedalusX> XorA|gone, so why IS ipkg so slow anyway? random access times on the NAND flash for that status file or something?
Dec 14 15:06:26 <XorA|gone> DaedalusX: its data structures are not very optimal for searching
Dec 14 15:44:18 <Pixelized> I'm wondering for the spitz should I install openzaurus packages or try angstrom and if so....in the unstable/images/ there are no images for spitz??!?!?
Dec 14 15:53:05 <dcordes> Pixelized, images are build frequently and so this server is cleaned sometimes
Dec 14 15:53:16 <Pixelized> kk
Dec 14 15:53:17 <dcordes> Unfortunately right now, nobody uploaded new spitz image
Dec 14 15:53:29 <dcordes> yet... you have to wait a bit
Dec 14 15:53:46 <dcordes> usually images are released all two weeks, depending on the machine mentor
Dec 14 15:54:50 <dcordes> Pixelized, and yes it is definetly worth it switching to angstrom. Zaurus clamshells are very well supported
Dec 14 15:55:25 <Pixelized> but i hear angstrom doesn't support openzaurus packages so i'd have to recompile or download package from angstrom correct?
Dec 14 15:56:10 <dcordes> Pixelized, I never tried it because everything I need is in angstrom. But for device drivers this is true
Dec 14 15:56:28 <Pixelized> dcordes: perfect
Dec 14 15:56:31 <dcordes> www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo
Dec 14 15:56:42 <dcordes> it's not that unstable means it is really unstable ^^
Dec 14 15:56:48 <DaedalusX> hmmmm, anyone have any luck with USB mice?
Dec 14 15:56:58 <Pixelized> i was hesistant between openzaurus and pdaxrom but openzaurus seemed better...and now angstrom
Dec 14 15:58:02 <dcordes> DaedalusX, I think usbhid supports all kinds of mice. It depends on the power
Dec 14 15:58:28 <DaedalusX> dcordes, that's not the issue for me... it seems that xorg-kdrive doesn't see the mouse as a mouse.
Dec 14 15:58:35 <DaedalusX> I get a /dev file for it
Dec 14 15:58:43 <DaedalusX> and it's registered with the kernel and everything
Dec 14 15:58:54 <DaedalusX> but it doesn't get used?
Dec 14 15:59:12 <dcordes> DaedalusX, aaahh you see no cursor?
Dec 14 15:59:32 <DaedalusX> dcordes, no... I turned on the cursor in matchbox... it's that the mouse has no effect.
Dec 14 15:59:53 <DaedalusX> I'm slowwwly working out how xmodmap works for the usb keyboard, so I think I'll be okay with that, but the mouse does NOTHING :(
Dec 14 15:59:55 <dcordes> ah ok. Don't know then. I tried it once with powered usb hub and worked ootb
Dec 14 16:00:21 <dcordes> DaedalusX, that sounds interesting. Let me know if you have any success w/ kb
Dec 14 16:00:28 <Sketch> did you create a new pointer section in xorg.conf for it's device?
Dec 14 16:01:05 <DaedalusX> Sketch, there is no xorg.conf for kdrive
Dec 14 16:01:09 <Sketch> ahh
Dec 14 16:01:11 <DaedalusX> unfortunately :P
Dec 14 16:01:12 <Sketch> never actually looked ;)
Dec 14 16:01:18 <DaedalusX> otherwise this would be muuuch easier
Dec 14 16:01:37 <DaedalusX> dcordes, well all you need to do for usb keyboards to work is add the keycodes for the keys that aren't on the zaurus
Dec 14 16:01:41 <DaedalusX> in the xmodmap file
Dec 14 16:01:44 <DaedalusX> it's not that bad
Dec 14 16:01:51 <DaedalusX> just takes a little hunting for keycodes
Dec 14 16:02:42 <dcordes> is kdrive standard in the later X11 images?
Dec 14 16:02:57 <DaedalusX> yes... it's lighter apparently
Dec 14 16:03:12 <DaedalusX> but I dunno... I haven't tried normal xorg on here yet
Dec 14 16:03:48 <Sketch> i wonder if you can create an xorg.conf for it?
Dec 14 16:03:57 <dcordes> cool I'm using it on my "old" gpe image for like 2 months now, since I noticed what you just said. It's way less bloated. But I had to change /etc/X11/Xserver in order to make the rotation work
Dec 14 16:04:02 <dcordes> I guess they fixed that in the images??
Dec 14 16:05:21 <DaedalusX> yeah
Dec 14 16:05:29 <dcordes> cool
Dec 14 16:05:29 <DaedalusX> dcordes, either that or thye did voodoo with something else :P
Dec 14 16:05:36 <dcordes> ok
Dec 14 16:05:37 <DaedalusX> Sketch, no. settings are hardwired. :(
Dec 14 16:05:39 <DaedalusX> which suuuuuuucks
Dec 14 16:05:45 <dcordes> what about your recipes? Everything fine?
Dec 14 16:05:55 <DaedalusX> dcordes, it's a slow process :P
Dec 14 16:06:05 <dcordes> yea. Got yourself a zydas?
Dec 14 16:06:07 <Sketch> ah, that sucks
Dec 14 16:06:12 <DaedalusX> especially since testing packages involves using ipkg.
Dec 14 16:06:15 <DaedalusX> which is pain.
Dec 14 16:06:17 <DaedalusX> pure pain.
Dec 14 16:06:23 <DaedalusX> I hate ipkg so much now. XD
Dec 14 16:06:26 <dcordes> come on. you exaggerate
Dec 14 16:06:48 <DaedalusX> it's been removing libsdl-1.2-0 and libsdl-1.2-dev for the last 25 minutes.
Dec 14 16:06:52 <DaedalusX> I'm not exxagerating.
Dec 14 16:06:54 <DaedalusX> at all.
Dec 14 16:07:04 <Pixelized> i got a weird question once angstrom is installed is it possible to revert back to original zaurus os. And are the images for the flash on the 3 cds that come with zaurus?
Dec 14 16:08:40 <DaedalusX> dcordes, I have no idea what it's doing either, because I always forget to set it on verbose mode :P
Dec 14 16:08:46 <DaedalusX> it's probably staring at a wall
Dec 14 16:09:20 <Sketch> Pixelized: one of the vendors has all(?) of the images available for download
Dec 14 16:09:36 <Pixelized> Sketch: really do you have a url?
Dec 14 16:09:47 <DaedalusX> yay it finished! XD
Dec 14 16:09:54 <DaedalusX> time to INSTALL the new packages now! XD
Dec 14 16:09:56 <Pixelized> i've done a backup so far of hdd3 and the backup from the utility but i just wanna play it safe
Dec 14 16:10:38 <dcordes> DaedalusX, you could symlink your ipkg binary to a script which calls in the verbose
Dec 14 16:10:57 <DaedalusX> dcordes, that's what I'm doing right now
Dec 14 16:11:38 <Sketch> Pixelized: i can't remember the name, i'm trying to find it...
Dec 14 16:11:46 <Pixelized> Sketch: kk thanks
Dec 14 16:12:14 <Pixelized> slc-3200 images i hope
Dec 14 16:12:22 <Pixelized> mind you they must be the same for the 3x00 family
Dec 14 16:13:35 <Sketch> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25126&hl=rom+backup
Dec 14 16:13:43 <Sketch> looks like there's a couple of them in that thead
Dec 14 16:13:51 <Pixelized> cause i know i have like 3 cds that came with it
Dec 14 16:13:59 <Pixelized> but i'm more thinking that's the apps and backup of that
Dec 14 16:14:38 <CoreDump> trisoft.de has NAND & MD backups
Dec 14 16:15:24 <CoreDump> http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Mars_to_Earth.jpg =)
Dec 14 16:15:27 <Pixelized> thanks guys i just wanna make sure i have it all
Dec 14 16:15:36 <Pixelized> this puppy is new and i don't wanna take a chance
Dec 14 16:15:55 <dcordes> CoreDump, that's neat ^^
Dec 14 16:16:06 <Pixelized> been running slackware for 10years so the linux part ain't the issue it's the uncertain aspects of the backups lol
Dec 14 16:16:07 <DaedalusX> not as neat as the "Pale Blue Dot"
Dec 14 16:16:11 <DaedalusX> where we're not even a pixel.
Dec 14 16:17:06 <dcordes> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/PaleBlueDot.jpg
Dec 14 16:17:20 <CoreDump> heh
Dec 14 16:18:22 <DaedalusX> damnit... I forgot to change the revision number on my package so now it's complaining about the md5sum >.<
Dec 14 16:19:12 <DaedalusX> and as far as I can tell you can't make it ignore the md5sum
Dec 14 16:19:57 <CoreDump> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKXCfB9fds&feature=related
Dec 14 16:22:07 <dcordes> CoreDump, man antares is sick
Dec 14 16:27:04 <DaedalusX> dcordes, W Cephai is bigger
Dec 14 16:28:31 <DaedalusX> hahahaha, the most massive star known is the Pistol Star
Dec 14 16:28:44 <DaedalusX> apparently it's got a mass of about 100 to 150 times that of Sol
Dec 14 16:28:44 <dcordes> nono there are even bigger ones
Dec 14 16:28:59 <dcordes> just seen pistol star among  several others that appeared 100x bigger than pistol star
Dec 14 16:29:13 <DaedalusX> yeah... the more massive stars tend to be smaller though
Dec 14 16:29:20 <DaedalusX> because of the force of gravity
Dec 14 16:29:24 <DaedalusX> lemme find the largest volume star
Dec 14 16:30:00 <DaedalusX> VV Cephei... not W Cephai... my bad
Dec 14 16:30:06 <DaedalusX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VV_Cephei
Dec 14 16:30:48 <DaedalusX> ahahahaha, but it's nowhere near as big as VY Canis Majoris apparently
Dec 14 16:30:48 <DaedalusX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VY_Canis_Majoris
Dec 14 16:31:07 <DaedalusX> about 1800-2100 solar radii
Dec 14 16:31:09 <Sketch> <CoreDump> trisoft.de has NAND & MD backups
Dec 14 16:31:20 <Sketch> CoreDump: yeah, that was the one i was trying to think of, i knew it was something.de but couldn't remember the domain ;)
Dec 14 16:31:53 <CoreDump> ;)
Dec 14 16:32:14 <DaedalusX> hahahaha... if you walked 3  miles per hour, 8 hours a day, it would take 650,000 years to circle the star!
Dec 14 16:32:17 <dcordes> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3974466981713172831&sourceid=Himself
Dec 14 16:33:37 <dcordes> incredible amount of energy
Dec 14 16:34:00 <dcordes> life on earth is a pile of isht agaianst what could be powered by all this
Dec 14 16:34:29 <dcordes> but
Dec 14 16:34:36 <dcordes> they are yet among us .. and 
Dec 14 16:34:40 <dcordes> they all use windoze ^^
Dec 14 16:35:01 <CoreDump> =)
Dec 14 16:36:46 <DaedalusX> hahahahaha, VY Canis Majoris has a diameter of 2,923,200,000,000 meters
Dec 14 16:36:58 <DaedalusX> or around that
Dec 14 16:38:23 <DaedalusX> dcordes, sooo yeah... ipkg is choking on the status file :(
Dec 14 16:57:47 <dcordes> DaedalusX, no space left?
Dec 14 16:57:48 * dcordes ducks
Dec 14 17:00:15 <DaedalusX> dcordes, plenty of space
Dec 14 17:00:27 <dcordes> ah you are on on of the hdd thingies?
Dec 14 17:00:55 <DaedalusX> nope. NAND flash.
Dec 14 17:00:56 <DaedalusX> Akita.
Dec 14 17:01:01 <DaedalusX> that's probably the problem :P
Dec 14 17:01:18 <dcordes> I'm also on akita and I want a 16gb sd
Dec 14 17:01:20 <DaedalusX> it's on jffs or whatever the hell they use... compressed
Dec 14 17:01:28 <DaedalusX> dcordes, I've got a 4 GB sd
Dec 14 17:01:36 <dcordes> I use a 2 right now
Dec 14 17:01:37 <DaedalusX> I think someone said they got SDHC cards working?
Dec 14 17:01:44 <DaedalusX> somehow? :P
Dec 14 17:02:28 <dcordes> I thought so but that was about compact flash
Dec 14 17:02:36 <dcordes> somebody useda 16gb cf
Dec 14 17:02:59 <DaedalusX> nononono... it was in a post specifically about SDHC and SDIO
Dec 14 17:03:11 <DaedalusX> I guess someone hacked the code to emulate SDHC or somehting
Dec 14 17:03:16 <dcordes> on angstrom user ML?
Dec 14 17:03:22 <dcordes> emulate it?
Dec 14 17:03:24 <DaedalusX> nah.. openzaurus
Dec 14 17:03:27 <dcordes> sounds odd let's see if we find it
Dec 14 17:03:41 <DaedalusX> http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=node/1146
Dec 14 17:05:20 <DaedalusX> "I've been booting my C1000 with Debian EABI off of a Lexar 4GB SDHC card for about a week now...the latest Angstrom kernels recognize it without problems."
Dec 14 17:05:54 <Sketch> i thought sdhc cards required new hardware?
Dec 14 17:06:05 <DaedalusX> so did I :P
Dec 14 17:06:05 <dcordes> you can get a 16 for like 100 euros me think
Dec 14 17:06:38 <Sketch> maybe the driver recognizes the card as SDHC but it will fail once you get to >4gb or something
Dec 14 17:06:50 <dcordes> at least in germany
Dec 14 17:06:59 <dcordes> http://www.alternate.de//html/product/details.html?artno=IMERV6&artno=IMERV6& yummy I want one
Dec 14 17:07:19 <Sketch> (like how i found that my sd card reader on my pc seems to work with my 4gb sd card, until i try to access the second 2gb of it)
Dec 14 17:08:07 <dcordes> hm
Dec 14 17:11:15 <webmind> dcordes, nice, and uhm.. cheap.
Dec 14 17:11:22 <webmind> dcordes, but it won't work in my laptop :(
Dec 14 17:12:27 <dcordes> webmind, because sdhc _is_ hardware specific?
Dec 14 17:12:51 <webmind> dcordes, afaik yes ?
Dec 14 17:14:05 <summatusmentis> it looks as though no SDHC cards >4gb have ever been tested
Dec 14 17:14:13 <summatusmentis> but the 4gb one seems to be working
Dec 14 17:15:11 <dcordes> summatusmentis, time to give it a try
Dec 14 17:16:21 <summatusmentis> I won't be, I'm a poor college student :-P
Dec 14 17:16:26 <dcordes> I will probably get one micro sdhc for my phone soon and then test ist on akita
Dec 14 17:16:28 <dcordes> it
Dec 14 17:16:48 <dcordes> 8gb
Dec 14 17:20:33 <webmind> dcordes, hmm looks like linux driver for the x40 should support it,
Dec 14 17:21:56 <dcordes> webmind,  what's x40?
Dec 14 17:22:03 <webmind> dcordes, sorry, thinkpad x40
Dec 14 17:22:08 <webmind> it has a SD slot
Dec 14 17:24:11 <gmad> HEllo everybody
Dec 14 17:24:24 <summatusmentis> hi gmad 
Dec 14 17:24:54 <gmad> hello!
Dec 14 17:24:54 <summatusmentis> has anyone else tried the most recent collie altboot-console-image from the autobuild dir?
Dec 14 17:25:04 <gmad> no me
Dec 14 17:26:22 <dcordes> hey gmad 
Dec 14 17:26:53 <gmad> dcordes: hello! It's nice to se you...
Dec 14 17:27:07 <dcordes> nice to see you too
Dec 14 17:31:06 <gmad> my Z every day looks better!
Dec 14 17:31:58 <summatusmentis> gmad: what machine are you running
Dec 14 17:32:22 <gmad> SL-C1000
Dec 14 17:32:33 <dcordes> akita is the real stuff
Dec 14 17:32:49 <summatusmentis> <3 m 3200
Dec 14 17:32:50 <summatusmentis> my*
Dec 14 17:34:05 <gmad> yes it is
Dec 14 17:35:37 <gmad> I thinked to buy 3200, but 1000 with 4 GB SD is cheaper
Dec 14 17:35:46 <dcordes> summatusmentis, even rundmc loved their akitas:
Dec 14 17:35:48 * dcordes sings do my adidas: Nowwww me and my akita do the illest things- We like to stomp out pimps with diamond rings..
Dec 14 17:36:51 <dcordes> gmad, also thought about 3200 before I got akita. but then decided hdd is too expensive, too
Dec 14 17:37:46 <gmad> I wish, that all Z-s should have wifi and bluetooth builded inside
Dec 14 17:38:23 <gmad> 3200 & 1000 - are the same exept HD
Dec 14 17:39:37 <dcordes> gmad, yea at least wifi would be great
Dec 14 17:40:10 <gmad> I saw that a kind of 5600 has it
Dec 14 17:41:29 <gmad> Do you know Quasar media player
Dec 14 17:41:33 <gmad> ???
Dec 14 17:41:55 <dcordes> never heard of it
Dec 14 17:42:07 <dcordes> I use mplayer on akita. all i need
Dec 14 17:43:03 <Sketch> gmad: yeah, i'm half tempted to try to replace my 3100's HD with a BT card and run off an SD card
Dec 14 17:43:40 <dcordes> Sketch, be aware that there are several BT/wifi cards
Dec 14 17:43:43 <dcordes> cf
Dec 14 17:43:43 <gmad> is this possible?
Dec 14 17:44:02 <dcordes> I also heard about peoeple replacing there hdd with 16gb cf flash
Dec 14 17:44:06 <gmad> I heared that is possible to change HD microdrive to CF
Dec 14 17:44:10 <dcordes> ^^
Dec 14 17:44:15 <gmad> :)
Dec 14 17:44:20 <dcordes> pictured howto would be fine
Dec 14 17:44:42 <gmad> I saw someware
Dec 14 17:45:11 <Sketch> dcordes: really?  i wasn't aware of that
Dec 14 17:45:29 <Sketch> gmad: yeah, i saw on the forum where someone did it...i am tempted to do that too ;)
Dec 14 17:45:39 <Sketch> there are 16gb CF flash cards on newegg for <$100
Dec 14 17:45:47 <dcordes> Sketch, I saw one from socket. poke hrw about drivers. I think he mentioned this once somewhere..
Dec 14 17:45:55 <dcordes> on the mailing list I think
Dec 14 17:46:00 <Sketch> hmm
Dec 14 17:46:03 <Sketch> perhaps i should join the ML
Dec 14 17:46:20 <dcordes> I wonder if it is possible to search it
Dec 14 17:46:27 <dcordes> just was looking fro the sdhc stuff
Dec 14 17:47:00 * dcordes wonders whether akita has internal cf slot or not
Dec 14 17:47:21 <dcordes> I don't believe they changed the whole layout for the 3*00 series
Dec 14 17:47:28 <Sketch> dcordes: no
Dec 14 17:47:35 <CoreDump> dcordes: it hasn't -> http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Akita/PCB/
Dec 14 17:47:46 <dcordes> arrr
Dec 14 17:47:51 <Sketch> dcordes: from what i've read, you could buy the socket and solder it to the motherboard and it would probably work...  
Dec 14 17:48:13 <dcordes> on akita?
Dec 14 17:48:35 <CoreDump> Sketch: you can't, it is basically impossible
Dec 14 17:50:08 <dcordes> akita with 16gb flash inside plus wifi/bluetooth cf would be the uber pda
Dec 14 17:50:14 <dcordes> err I mean 3*00
Dec 14 17:50:17 <dcordes> not akita
Dec 14 17:50:38 <Sketch> CoreDump: i thought the electronics are all there, from something i read online
Dec 14 17:50:43 <Sketch> could have been wrong thouhg ;)
Dec 14 17:50:50 <dcordes> CoreDump, are the zauri hdds soldered or just cards?
Dec 14 17:51:01 <Sketch> just cards
Dec 14 17:51:07 <dcordes> man
Dec 14 17:51:10 <CoreDump> it is wrong. The controller ICs + supporting parts are all missing
Dec 14 17:51:11 <dcordes> I need a spitz
Dec 14 17:51:32 <dcordes> somebody wants to get an akita real cheap :D
Dec 14 17:51:34 <Sketch> CoreDump: ah
Dec 14 17:51:42 <CoreDump> dcordes: cards AFAIK, never bothered to open a spitz tho
Dec 14 17:52:12 <dcordes> would also be possible to think about n810 or so but zaurus is unbeatable
Dec 14 17:52:20 <CoreDump> http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Akita/PCB/imgp0155.jpg
Dec 14 17:52:35 <CoreDump> ^^^ see the silver square where an IC would normally be?
Dec 14 17:52:44 <CoreDump> that is your missing controller ;)
Dec 14 17:53:05 <dcordes> right to RH-IX*
Dec 14 17:53:07 <dcordes> ?
Dec 14 17:53:19 <CoreDump> yes
Dec 14 17:53:42 <CoreDump> the MD is where the black stuff is shown on a spitz
Dec 14 17:54:06 <dcordes> md?
Dec 14 17:54:09 <dcordes> microdrive?
Dec 14 17:54:14 <CoreDump> MicroDrive
Dec 14 17:54:55 <gmad> Maybe I ask stupid question... Is this possible to install MD to C1000?
Dec 14 17:55:15 <CoreDump> internal? No
Dec 14 17:56:50 <dcordes> gmad, CoreDump explained t hat akita (c1000) has no controller for compact flash. the MD uses compact flash. So we have noc chance
Dec 14 17:56:52 <gmad> ok
Dec 14 17:57:44 <Sketch> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=23106&view=findpost&p=165240
Dec 14 17:57:44 <gmad> internal controler
Dec 14 17:57:48 <Sketch> c3000 vs 1000 pics
Dec 14 18:00:48 <Sketch> here's the one i was looking for, HD->CF upgrade has been done
Dec 14 18:00:49 <Sketch> http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11871
Dec 14 18:01:04 <gmad> talking true - I do not hd ...
Dec 14 18:04:20 <gmad> I have 4 GB SD with two partitions - vfat and ext3. It's enought for me...
Dec 14 18:11:10 <gmad> I just installed wm8750 mixer. works greate
Dec 14 18:11:44 <gmad> sound is a lot better
Dec 14 18:27:15 <mimecar> hi guys
Dec 14 18:38:17 <mimecar> evening summatusmentis
Dec 14 18:38:33 <dcordes> mimecar, matchbox2 is no problem on akita
Dec 14 18:38:40 <dcordes> it's all in the feeds
Dec 14 18:38:50 <dcordes> ipkg install matchbox-desktop-2 matchbox-panel-2 
Dec 14 18:40:19 <Pixelized> hum i just updated my slc-3200 to Angstrom-x11-gpe-image-glibc-ipk-2007.9-test-20071211-spitz-installkit.tgz
Dec 14 18:40:43 <Pixelized> redid the partitions flashed everything extracted ok says done. when it says rebooting it shutdown
Dec 14 18:40:45 <dcordes> Pixelized, images arrived?
Dec 14 18:40:58 <Pixelized> doesn't reboot and on/off button just makes the screen flash
Dec 14 18:41:01 <DaedalusX> wow... I suck at openttd
Dec 14 18:41:03 <Pixelized> so i retried same thing happened again
Dec 14 18:41:16 <DaedalusX> I just had like 5 trains crash into each other at once.
Dec 14 18:41:20 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Dec 14 18:41:30 <summatusmentis> actually, I'm leaving now :-D
Dec 14 18:41:37 <dcordes> Pixelized, unfortuantely I have no spitz and did not came across such a problem on my akita. But Zero_Chaos who also has the akita had a very similar issue
Dec 14 18:41:44 <dcordes> He told me it was because of updater.sh
Dec 14 18:41:47 <mimecar> dcordes: then, i can run matchbox-desktop2?
Dec 14 18:41:50 <dcordes> he took an older version which worked
Dec 14 18:41:55 <dcordes> mimecar, of course you can
Dec 14 18:41:59 <dcordes> killall matchbox-desktop before
Dec 14 18:42:08 <mimecar> is there a changelog ?
Dec 14 18:42:09 <dcordes> same applies to the panel
Dec 14 18:42:20 <Pixelized> dcordes: hum weird
Dec 14 18:42:30 <DaedalusX> Pixelized, by screen flash... do you mean the backlight just blinks but nothing happens?
Dec 14 18:42:30 <dcordes> matchbox-panel-2 will give you no function w/o parameters. So see --help first 
Dec 14 18:42:55 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: looks like blacklight to me but it's a tad whiter so not sure
Dec 14 18:42:55 <dcordes> DaedalusX, try an old updater.sh
Dec 14 18:42:56 <mimecar> i think i'll compile it on pc side and test it
Dec 14 18:43:01 <dcordes> sorry Pixelized try old updater.sh
Dec 14 18:43:19 <Pixelized> dcordes: hum
Dec 14 18:43:42 <dcordes> Pixelized, just take the one you get with the oepnzaurus installkit
Dec 14 18:43:59 <dcordes> no idea if this helps but may be a try since Zero_Chaos fixed a very similar issue with his akita that way
Dec 14 18:44:17 <Pixelized> i will check it out =)
Dec 14 18:44:18 <mimecar> is there problems with updater.sh ?
Dec 14 18:44:34 <dcordes> mimecar, at least, there was
Dec 14 18:44:41 <dcordes> maybe CoreDump can detail on the updater.sh issue
Dec 14 18:44:49 <Pixelized> mimecar:  dunno
Dec 14 18:44:54 <Pixelized> will try the openzaurus updater.sh
Dec 14 18:44:58 <Pixelized> see if that changes something
Dec 14 18:45:07 <Pixelized> i mean if i could get to see the kernel or something no just a screen flash
Dec 14 18:45:09 <dcordes> I hope so
Dec 14 18:45:30 <Pixelized> euh
Dec 14 18:45:33 <Pixelized> ouuuuuf
Dec 14 18:45:52 <Pixelized> isn't updater.sh suppose to be bash or sh script?
Dec 14 18:46:08 <dcordes> also thought so but it looks pretty binary eh?
Dec 14 18:46:23 <Pixelized> yeah
Dec 14 18:46:26 <Pixelized> that's what i just noticed
Dec 14 18:46:44 <DaedalusX> btw... if anyone's interested... I made a totally badass battery extender for pretty cheap
Dec 14 18:47:12 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: yeah this puppy uses a 5v 1a power supply so i'm gonna get myself a nice battery and voltage regulator
Dec 14 18:47:15 <DaedalusX> Radio Shack sells fairly inexpensive 3300 mAh RC car batteries... 7.2V
Dec 14 18:47:21 <DaedalusX> I got two :P
Dec 14 18:47:35 <DaedalusX> feed them into an LM1085
Dec 14 18:47:36 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: u using a voltage reg or ur pda runs 7.2
Dec 14 18:47:38 <Pixelized> ahh
Dec 14 18:47:51 <DaedalusX> the LM1085 can handle up to 3A
Dec 14 18:47:51 <Pixelized> i have old 7805s
Dec 14 18:47:57 <Pixelized> but they are hungry for power for no reason
Dec 14 18:47:58 <DaedalusX> I use it to power my USB hub too
Dec 14 18:48:17 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: must have a nice big heatsink on it
Dec 14 18:48:57 <dcordes> bye people Pixelized good luck with flashing
Dec 14 18:49:10 <Pixelized> dcordes: gotta find updater.sh first lol
Dec 14 18:49:12 <Pixelized> but thanks
Dec 14 18:49:21 <dcordes> hold up
Dec 14 18:49:46 <Pixelized> once i get this 3200 up can't wait to run normal apps qtopia is nice an all but em
Dec 14 18:50:08 <dcordes> http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/09/02/oz-3542-rc2-released/
Dec 14 18:50:12 <dcordes> ewi link looks down
Dec 14 18:50:27 <DaedalusX> 7805s kinda suck though
Dec 14 18:50:27 <DaedalusX> the 1085 is a low dropout voltage regulator
Dec 14 18:50:33 <mimecar> ewi works for me
Dec 14 18:50:39 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: yeah that suck big time
Dec 14 18:50:46 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: too much power loss and too much heat
Dec 14 18:50:54 <dcordes> Pixelized, remember, CoreDump and Zero_Chaos might have help for you. Also you  could search bugs.openembedded.org for updater.sh
Dec 14 18:51:40 <Pixelized> dcordes:  thanks
Dec 14 18:52:17 <DaedalusX> Pixelized, I sink the heat to the case with a bit of kapton tape on there to keep it from shorting out
Dec 14 18:52:32 <DaedalusX> Pixelized, the 1085 actually stays pretty cool
Dec 14 18:52:56 <Pixelized> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/spitz/updater.sh.spitz <-- forbidden?
Dec 14 18:56:56 <Pixelized> wow
Dec 14 18:57:02 <Pixelized> big diff this updater.sh has alot of things in it
Dec 14 19:00:34 <Pixelized> oh
Dec 14 19:00:39 <Pixelized> seems diff now
Dec 14 19:01:02 * Pixelized crosses his fingers
Dec 14 19:01:50 <Pixelized> watch this next thing i know kernel panic hahaha
Dec 14 19:02:10 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: i gotta try the 1085 haven't to time to mess alot with anything lately
Dec 14 19:02:23 <DaedalusX> yeah I hear you
Dec 14 19:02:24 <Pixelized> last thing i played with are pic16f628 so i'm kinda out of it these days
Dec 14 19:02:58 <Pixelized> 3.3amph batteries sounds nice
Dec 14 19:03:11 <Pixelized> 2 bad there is no more radioshack here it's all the source by circuit city
Dec 14 19:03:34 <Pixelized> ohhhh i see a kernel loading
Dec 14 19:13:47 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 14 19:14:12 <mimecar> that's good
Dec 14 19:14:49 <Pixelized> so gpe is the thing
Dec 14 19:14:51 <Pixelized> or opie?
Dec 14 19:15:03 <Pixelized> i download the gpe image but i'm thnking x11-office must contain alot more stuff
Dec 14 19:15:09 <mimecar> only gpe
Dec 14 19:15:23 <Pixelized> ok and the -x11-office comes with some software i guess?
Dec 14 19:15:24 <mimecar> opie is not supported on angstrom oficially
Dec 14 19:16:00 <Pixelized> is the -x11-office same as the x11-gpe but with tools? or totaly diff?
Dec 14 19:16:11 <mimecar> no idea
Dec 14 19:16:16 <mimecar> what's the size of both images?
Dec 14 19:16:18 <Pixelized> lets find out hahaha
Dec 14 19:16:36 <Pixelized> the latest 20071214 office image is 43m
Dec 14 19:17:00 <Pixelized> gpe image was in the 19m
Dec 14 19:17:07 <mimecar> if it works, tell me :P
Dec 14 19:20:19 <Pixelized> will do
Dec 14 19:20:31 <Pixelized> mind u i kept the openzaurus updater
Dec 14 19:21:07 <mimecar> what's you device ?
Dec 14 19:21:44 <Pixelized> slc 3200
Dec 14 19:21:48 <Pixelized> brand new
Dec 14 19:21:51 <Pixelized> got it yesterday
Dec 14 19:22:05 <mimecar> ok
Dec 14 19:22:14 <mimecar> openzaurus is no longer maintened
Dec 14 19:22:19 <mimecar> you should try angstrom
Dec 14 19:22:52 <Sketch> Pixelized: i don't think the updater matters much, i used the cacko updated to install angstrom
Dec 14 19:22:58 <Sketch> updater
Dec 14 19:24:12 <Pixelized> Sketch: my point is
Dec 14 19:24:18 <Pixelized> the updater.sh that comes with angstrom
Dec 14 19:24:19 <Pixelized> failed
Dec 14 19:24:21 <Pixelized> miserably
Dec 14 19:24:23 <Sketch> oh
Dec 14 19:24:26 <Pixelized> i had to use the openzaurus
Dec 14 19:24:32 <Pixelized> other wise screen flashs and nada happens
Dec 14 19:24:33 <Pixelized> =)
Dec 14 19:24:42 <Sketch> <Pixelized> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/spitz/updater.sh.spitz 	    <-- forbidden?
Dec 14 19:24:48 <Sketch> i thought you just couldn't download it, that was the problem i had
Dec 14 19:24:50 <mimecar> Pixelized: there're changes on updater
Dec 14 19:24:55 <Pixelized> Sketch: yeah wanted to see if that one workes
Dec 14 19:24:59 <mimecar> previous version work without problems
Dec 14 19:25:07 <Pixelized> mimecar: well in the 20071214 tar balls they don't work =)
Dec 14 19:25:18 <Pixelized> and after viewing one under pico
Dec 14 19:25:22 <Pixelized> i can now see why
Dec 14 19:25:29 <Pixelized> the one in the tarball has 1 line of compiled code
Dec 14 19:25:32 <mimecar> on the image of november / october I use works ok
Dec 14 19:25:39 <Pixelized> in the openzaurus one there are hundreds of lines
Dec 14 19:29:09 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 14 19:29:12 <DaedalusX> man SDL's fbcon driver just doesn't wanna work without hacking on it
Dec 14 19:29:13 <Pixelized> so far the office one
Dec 14 19:29:23 <Pixelized> takes forever on first boot
Dec 14 19:29:40 <mimecar> first time you must generate ssh key
Dec 14 19:29:46 <Pixelized> oh this ain't kee
Dec 14 19:29:49 <Pixelized> configure libgnome and others
Dec 14 19:29:50 <Pixelized> hahaha
Dec 14 19:30:01 <Pixelized> ssh key just wooshed by after
Dec 14 19:30:13 <Pixelized> wow those configuring libs were long
Dec 14 19:33:16 <Pixelized> well
Dec 14 19:33:19 <Pixelized> seems to work fine
Dec 14 19:33:36 <Pixelized> ahh
Dec 14 19:33:43 <Pixelized> has abiword gnumeric spreadsheet
Dec 14 19:33:50 <Pixelized> minimo 
Dec 14 19:34:00 <mimecar> how many space have you free?
Dec 14 19:34:21 <Pixelized> i created a 250mb partition for root
Dec 14 19:34:32 <Pixelized> mind u this has a 6gb hard drive
Dec 14 19:34:37 <Pixelized> and 128mb flash drive
Dec 14 19:34:37 <mimecar> you have a hard disk...
Dec 14 19:34:49 <Pixelized> 128mb flash drive + 6gb hard drive
Dec 14 19:35:08 <mimecar> ok
Dec 14 19:36:48 <Pixelized> pretty nice little toy
Dec 14 19:36:50 <Pixelized> expensive tho
Dec 14 20:05:43 <Pixelized> wow half the packages i want don't exist for spitz??!!?!
Dec 14 20:44:55 <Pixelized> all software installs on root partition?
Dec 14 20:46:44 <Pixelized> or can i install them on a vfat on my hda3?
Dec 14 20:49:57 <Sketch> they install on root
Dec 14 20:50:05 <Sketch> with the spitz install you are expected to reformat your hard drive
Dec 14 20:50:08 <Pixelized> that's what i thought
Dec 14 20:50:11 <Pixelized> yeah
Dec 14 20:50:11 <Pixelized> i did
Dec 14 20:50:15 <Pixelized> put 250mb for root partition
Dec 14 20:50:19 <Pixelized> but thinking that ain't enought
Dec 14 20:50:22 <Pixelized> for all i want to install
Dec 14 20:50:31 <Pixelized> 500mb or 1gb i'm thinking
Dec 14 20:50:55 <Pixelized> then they recomend a 40mb home which not sure that'll do either
Dec 14 20:51:37 <DaedalusX> damnit
Dec 14 20:51:46 <Pixelized> any recommendation on that?
Dec 14 20:51:49 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: ?
Dec 14 20:51:57 <DaedalusX> is there any way to get the touchscreen to not go screwy when you fullscreen an application?
Dec 14 20:52:17 <Pixelized> DaedalusX: no clue didn't go screwy on me yet
Dec 14 20:52:33 <Pixelized> i'm trying to determine what size i should put my root and /user
Dec 14 20:53:22 <Pixelized> wondering if 500mb is enough for root
Dec 14 20:53:35 <Pixelized> i plan on installing at lot of software tne the x11-office took 105mb already
Dec 14 20:53:54 <Pixelized> one thing i noticed
Dec 14 20:54:00 <Pixelized> these installs have no swap partitions?!?!?
Dec 14 20:54:09 <Pixelized> mind you the hard drive is slow yes but??
Dec 14 20:54:13 <Sketch> you can always make a swap file
Dec 14 20:54:46 <Pixelized> swap file?
Dec 14 20:54:57 <Pixelized> when someone says file i think pagefile.sys winbloze style
Dec 14 20:54:58 <Pixelized> lol
Dec 14 20:55:01 <Pixelized> u mean swap partition?
Dec 14 20:55:32 <Sketch> you can make a swap partition later if you leave partition space for it
Dec 14 20:55:35 <Sketch> if not, you can make a swap file
Dec 14 20:55:46 <Pixelized> nice
Dec 14 20:55:47 <Sketch> it's not exactly windows style because it's a fixed size
Dec 14 20:56:03 <Pixelized> you can make the windoze one fixed 2 in xp =)
Dec 14 20:56:07 <Sketch> though the nice thing about using a file over a partition is you can increase/decrease the size later
Dec 14 20:56:14 <Pixelized> yeah
Dec 14 20:56:22 <Pixelized> but can i make that file on a vfat partition?
Dec 14 20:56:26 <Pixelized> without system bugging
Dec 14 20:56:46 <Sketch> not sure about that...
Dec 14 20:56:54 <Sketch> ext2 or ext3 will work
Dec 14 20:57:05 <Pixelized> cause in qtopia when you plug your zaurus usb to a pc
Dec 14 20:57:08 <Pixelized> it starts and apps
Dec 14 20:57:11 <Pixelized> and you can transfer
Dec 14 20:57:22 <Pixelized> seen as a mass storage adapter
Dec 14 20:57:31 <Sketch> yeah
Dec 14 20:57:34 <Pixelized> dunno if that was vfat or not but to transfer to a windows pc i'm guessing yes
Dec 14 20:57:42 <Pixelized> in openzaurus they recommend making the big chunk vfat
Dec 14 20:57:51 <Pixelized> does angstrom have the same for usb?
Dec 14 20:58:06 <Sketch> the default is to set up a usb network connection
Dec 14 20:58:14 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 14 20:58:24 <Pixelized> i smell ftp daemon
Dec 14 20:58:24 <Sketch> GPE has an option for usb mass storage, but i dunno how exactly it works, i've never tried it
Dec 14 20:59:54 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 14 21:00:17 <Pixelized> not sure what to do on that case
Dec 14 21:00:28 <Pixelized> i kinda like the usb mass storage idea but it doesn't bug me not to have it
Dec 14 21:00:40 <Pixelized> i know i can store any vfat file on ext3 or reiserfs
Dec 14 21:00:46 <Pixelized> but not vise versa for running apps and stuff
Dec 14 21:01:43 <Pixelized> mind you i can always make the last partition vfat or ext3 after i figure that out
Dec 14 21:01:46 <Sketch> i saw something about making the zaurus act sort of like a cardreader over usb as well
Dec 14 21:02:00 <Sketch> so if you could do that, you could put vfat on sd and all ext on the internal drive
Dec 14 21:02:11 <Sketch> haven't tried it yet thouhg
Dec 14 21:02:11 <Pixelized> Sketch: nice
Dec 14 21:02:16 <Sketch> my install is sort of broken right now ;)
Dec 14 21:02:23 <Pixelized> should i go 500mb or 750mb for root?
Dec 14 21:04:19 <Pixelized> the big issue is i wanna keep as much space left as possible on my device for file transfer
Dec 14 21:04:33 <Pixelized> so i need root for file installs...and i want to be able to connect and drop files
Dec 14 21:05:14 <Pixelized> i like the usb storage options it's easy
Dec 14 21:05:18 <Pixelized> mind you ftp will work fine 2
Dec 14 21:05:39 <Pixelized> but with ie7 (common on most pc file erasing kinda lacks
Dec 14 21:06:46 <Pixelized> i'll try some stuff out before making my mind =)
Dec 14 21:06:51 <Pixelized> Sketch: thanks for the input
Dec 14 22:44:15 <Sketch> hmm
Dec 14 22:44:43 <Sketch> aathe gpe mixer appplet do4eksnt work
Dec 14 22:45:46 <mimecar> can you change volume with other program ?
Dec 14 22:46:01 <Sketch> the sound settings app works
Dec 14 22:46:11 <Sketch> this is on a 3100 btw
Dec 14 22:46:44 <Sketch> though even that is sort of funky
Dec 14 22:46:55 <Sketch> i should prolly try a more recent buil
Dec 14 22:46:57 <Sketch> d
Dec 14 22:47:21 <mimecar> or update your're current build
Dec 14 23:58:16 <d__dope32> does the c1000 use type mini b OR mini a usb cord?
Dec 15 02:42:40 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes_: ping
Dec 15 02:42:49 <dcordes_> Zero_Chaos, pong
Dec 15 02:43:04 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes_: you were mentioning my name, I presume about the updater.sh bug?
Dec 15 02:43:49 <dcordes_> yes right somebody came here with 3200 and was unable to boot
Dec 15 02:44:04 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes_: that would be something else.
Dec 15 02:44:16 <dcordes_> he got a similar error as you (weird bl flashing and no boot at all) told him you got around that with the old updater.sh
Dec 15 02:44:23 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes_: the bug I know of it only for akita as spitz doesn't flash
Dec 15 02:44:57 <dcordes_> Zero_Chaos, see logs I think it worked for him
Dec 15 02:45:14 <Zero_Chaos> maybe, but not because of any bugs I know of ;-)
Dec 15 02:45:16 <dcordes_> obviously change in akita updater also affected spitz, tosa
Dec 15 02:45:40 <dcordes_> Zero_Chaos, what was the exact problem with akita updater?
Dec 15 02:45:49 <dcordes_> I looked through bugzilla, didn't find anything
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