**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:57 2007
Dec 27 03:02:22 <Pixelized> wow new rcs
Dec 27 03:05:14 <Pixelized> where can one read up on say if firefox is up and working now etc etc?
Dec 27 03:05:31 <digitaldragon> hey guys, I've got a (probably) noobish question: i installed the RC2.1 zImage and x11 root image on hx4700 and the ipaq boots into the console from which I can't do anything since I don't have any keyboards attached.
Dec 27 03:06:46 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 27 03:07:06 <Pixelized> can u use a use cable and have a network connection
Dec 27 03:07:12 <Pixelized> using rndis drivers then ssh to it?
Dec 27 03:07:23 <digitaldragon> I've only got the usb dock
Dec 27 03:08:07 <digitaldragon> i can't setup usb networking cause I can't tell the device to modprobe the required modules :)
Dec 27 03:13:46 <digitaldragon> my best guess would be to try another RC, but I'd like to ask here before reflashing.
Dec 27 03:14:06 <digitaldragon> btw: X11 image has GPE, right?
Dec 27 03:14:50 <univac> yes
Dec 27 03:15:34 <schme> It does?
Dec 27 03:15:43 <schme> I thought it was just X11. and x11-gpe had gpe.
Dec 27 03:16:06 <univac> opie doesnt need x
Dec 27 03:17:25 <schme> GPE does, however, need X.
Dec 27 03:17:40 <schme> digitaldragon: The x11 image does not have GPE, IIRC.  You wants x11-gpe
Dec 27 03:18:04 <Pixelized> is firefox now working in angstrom?
Dec 27 03:18:13 <summatusmentis> doubtful...
Dec 27 03:18:24 <Pixelized> weird tho it's working in many other distrib
Dec 27 03:18:32 <Pixelized> mind you previous version tho
Dec 27 03:18:42 <schme> Pixelized: Yes.
Dec 27 03:18:45 <summatusmentis> which ones?
Dec 27 03:18:48 <summatusmentis> oh, yeah, we used to have 1.0.x working
Dec 27 03:18:55 <Pixelized> pdaxrom...pdaxii13 etc etc
Dec 27 03:19:01 <Pixelized> oh u mean firefox versions
Dec 27 03:19:25 <schme> 2.0.0
Dec 27 03:19:32 <bgold> whats up schme
Dec 27 03:19:42 <schme> bgold: Compiling sxe for my Z.
Dec 27 03:19:52 <bgold> whats sxe?
Dec 27 03:19:55 <schme> sxemacs.
Dec 27 03:20:10 <bgold> still got me confused :P
Dec 27 03:20:24 <bgold> text editor?
Dec 27 03:20:31 <schme> First off I need to compile xlib though. I've set up a scratchbox here to do these things. Getting sxe to compile with OE was a pain.
Dec 27 03:20:32 <summatusmentis> afaik, BSD is the only one that's got 2.0.x working
Dec 27 03:20:32 <summatusmentis> yeah
Dec 27 03:20:40 <schme> And .. scratchbox was just nice.
Dec 27 03:20:51 <schme> summatusmentis: Funny how ipkg install firefox grabs me a 2.0 ;)
Dec 27 03:21:08 <schme> bgold: text editor.. desktop environment.. all the same ;)
Dec 27 03:21:14 <bgold> gotchya
Dec 27 03:21:16 <summatusmentis> did you get clisp working?
Dec 27 03:21:21 <schme> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/firefox_2.0.0.3-r1_armv5te.ipk
Dec 27 03:21:22 <summatusmentis> emacs is a text editor, I assume sxemacs is a small version
Dec 27 03:21:36 <schme> summatusmentis: Yes. I compiled it in a scratchbox.
Dec 27 03:21:47 <schme> Ah. quite the opposite. sxe is bigger (:
Dec 27 03:22:07 <bgold> this ebay guy won't ship my dam cf card .. starting to piss me off..most ignorant guy ive talken to
Dec 27 03:22:20 <schme> Annoying!
Dec 27 03:22:31 <bgold> yessir
Dec 27 03:22:45 <bgold> schme: whats sxemacs got that others don't?
Dec 27 03:22:57 <bgold> faster enviroemnt?
Dec 27 03:23:00 <bgold> environment*
Dec 27 03:23:25 <digitaldragon> oh, so what does X11 image contain? being larger then the gpe image?
Dec 27 03:23:44 <digitaldragon> also, hx4700 folder contains X11 image and minimalist-gpe
Dec 27 03:23:49 <schme> Well most importantly it has a nicer development team and is more open to new ideas and new patches.
Dec 27 03:24:12 <schme> digitaldragon: Oh cools. I stand corrected. :)
Dec 27 03:25:26 <schme> Other than that.. there's integrated SSL support, FFI (which sadly enough won't work on the Z 'cause libffi is fuck-ed), better audio support, network sockets, oh and skip lists. among other things.
Dec 27 03:25:47 <schme> It even has a text editor ;)
Dec 27 03:26:03 <bgold> gotchya
Dec 27 03:26:07 <summatusmentis> vim ftw
Dec 27 03:26:09 <summatusmentis> or smultron in OS X
Dec 27 03:26:18 <Pixelized> pico or nano ftw
Dec 27 03:27:30 <schme> summatusmentis: I very much prefer vim for text editing.
Dec 27 03:27:43 <schme> I tend to run it in emacs though ;)
Dec 27 03:28:13 <summatusmentis> lol, are you serious?
Dec 27 03:28:23 <summatusmentis> I didn't know emacs had that capability
Dec 27 03:28:35 <schme> I am dead serious.
Dec 27 03:28:56 <summatusmentis> that's disgusting
Dec 27 03:30:02 <schme> (:
Dec 27 03:30:25 <schme> It can also function as a window manager ;)
Dec 27 03:30:45 <summatusmentis> what's that called? EDE?
Dec 27 03:31:16 <schme> What is EDE?
Dec 27 03:31:18 <Sketch> i'm tempted to just run emacs in console mode on my zaurus ;)
Dec 27 03:31:42 <schme> Oh THAT EDE. No. That's something else.
Dec 27 03:31:57 <schme> Sketch: That's what zaurii are for (:
Dec 27 03:32:46 <summatusmentis> schme: it was supposed to be a joke, emacs desktop environment
Dec 27 03:32:55 <schme> There is an EDE...
Dec 27 03:32:57 <schme> Hehe.
Dec 27 03:33:01 <summatusmentis> Sketch: that's NOT what zaurii are for
Dec 27 03:33:43 <summatusmentis> my zaurus actually works here!(not on campus, good wifi)
Dec 27 03:33:50 <summatusmentis> except running minimo is slow
Dec 27 03:33:57 <schme> But no. The SXEmacs and Xemacs forks of the original GNU emacs that RMS pretends he created both let you interface with xlib so you can hack up elisp code to control well.. xlib in general.
Dec 27 03:34:42 <Sketch> the only reason i don't is because i want to be able to run a graphical web browser
Dec 27 03:35:12 <Sketch> but i think i might be happier with emacs as an wm than gpe...
Dec 27 03:35:30 <schme> Yeah. That is why I have X running on my laptop. emacs-w3m is just not the same as ff. :)
Dec 27 03:36:03 <Sketch> yeah
Dec 27 03:36:05 <summatusmentis> RMS didn't create emacs? not even originally?
Dec 27 03:36:17 <schme> summatusmentis: Not even originally.
Dec 27 03:36:25 <Sketch> i use emacs-w3m in console regularly (i run emacs in an xterm), but it's a bit lacking on some websites
Dec 27 03:36:40 <schme> Sketch: There's http://www.xwem.org/ then. I'm not such a big fan of it meself. i'm more of a stumpwm/ratpoison person :)
Dec 27 03:37:36 <summatusmentis> you guys make me feel fat... I like firefox, and KDE
Dec 27 03:37:40 <summatusmentis> or firefox and OS X
Dec 27 03:38:42 <Sketch> i run firefox on gnome on my laptop
Dec 27 03:38:51 <Sketch> saying that makes me feel fat ;)
Dec 27 03:38:53 <schme> summatusmentis: Some years ago RMS published a lil text about the horrors of what happened at the MIT AI labs, and how he created emacs. A month or two ago someone else who was around at that time decided to publish his view on what happened.    Not that it really matters anyways, but being a bit of a computer history buff I found it interesting. :)
Dec 27 03:39:00 <Sketch> i used windowmaker until fedora7
Dec 27 03:39:04 <schme> KDE is nice, innit?
Dec 27 03:40:09 <schme> fvwm <3
Dec 27 03:40:23 <summatusmentis> Sketch: I like KDE over gnome, gnome bother me in it's simplicity
Dec 27 03:40:34 <schme> Now where on earth do I find package `xau' that libxcb wants?
Dec 27 03:40:41 <summatusmentis> although, I run gnome/ubuntu under vmware for my OE env
Dec 27 03:41:02 * schme likes gnu screen and ratpoison/stumpwm ;)
Dec 27 03:41:17 <Sketch> i'm mostly just using it for compiz
Dec 27 03:41:26 <Sketch> i used beryl for a while but it was too unstable
Dec 27 03:41:43 <schme> Is that the cube thingie?
Dec 27 03:41:47 <Sketch> yeah
Dec 27 03:41:56 <Sketch> every time i upgrade fedora, i would always run gnome until i got too annoyed by it and switched back to windowmaker
Dec 27 03:42:04 <Sketch> which usually took about a week
Dec 27 03:42:25 <Sketch> but i found compiz tolerable, and actually started to like the effects after a while
Dec 27 03:42:43 <summatusmentis> I was running beryl on kde for a while, I enjoy the effects
Dec 27 03:42:53 <Sketch> as far as the rest of the gnome stuff, it doesn't matter to me much
Dec 27 03:42:56 <Sketch> really, the only apps i run reguarly are xterm and firefox anyway ;)
Dec 27 03:42:59 <summatusmentis> now <3 OS X
Dec 27 03:43:23 <schme> Oh there it was.
Dec 27 03:43:35 * schme is home-made lfs'ing his Z.
Dec 27 03:43:56 <schme> But I have an angstrom image in there to base it all on.
Dec 27 03:44:12 <Sketch> nice
Dec 27 03:44:15 <summatusmentis> wait, for real?
Dec 27 03:44:24 <summatusmentis> intentionally?
Dec 27 03:44:44 <schme> Uhu.
Dec 27 03:47:04 <schme> I installed console-image. Then I started playing around a bit with OE to build stuff.. clisp among others. Some worked fine, some not. Then I ran into scratchboxand decided to just do it all from scratch. 'cept the basic stuff on console-image. I guess it's not really lfs anyway. heheh. But I get stuff the way I wants it without having to figure out how to write recipies ;)
Dec 27 03:48:22 <bgold> OH DID YOU NOW?!
Dec 27 03:49:16 <summatusmentis> writing recipes might be easier... :-D
Dec 27 03:49:23 <schme> Nah..
Dec 27 03:49:37 <schme> I'm not such a big fan of dependencies and such.
Dec 27 03:49:49 <schme> But OE is an amazing system.
Dec 27 03:50:07 <summatusmentis> your self compiling neds dependencies too...
Dec 27 03:50:12 <summatusmentis> needs\
Dec 27 03:50:35 <schme> Yes. But I look 'em up meself and do the normal ./configure && make
Dec 27 03:51:11 <summatusmentis> as compared to looking them up yourself, and putting them in a recipe... :-P
Dec 27 03:51:13 <schme> And it was such a drag to edit recipies already in OE to have 'em compile with the right parameters. And the ipkg would bitch about md5sum mismatch.
Dec 27 03:51:41 <schme> Well it's easier to type ./configure && make ;)
Dec 27 03:53:33 <schme> Especially for things like clisp. I had to patch their config script quite a bit, and some m4 files to just get it configuring.
Dec 27 03:54:23 <summatusmentis> mm
Dec 27 03:54:33 <summatusmentis> god, you know so much more than me
Dec 27 03:55:28 <schme> I doubt it.
Dec 27 03:55:30 <schme> (:
Dec 27 03:57:01 <schme> Ok. Time for a fag.
Dec 27 07:55:04 <readon> when i build gtk with uclibc "libintl.h: No such file or directory" is reported.
Dec 27 07:55:07 <readon> does it broken?
Dec 27 10:12:10 <rwhitby> schme: you don't want to know what "fag" is slang for in Australia ...
Dec 27 10:33:44 <bluelightning> rwhitby: I'm sure he knows :)
Dec 27 15:13:41 <summatusmentis> ugh... I have to update the kernel, again
Dec 27 15:20:31 <agittins> summatusmentis: I am pretty sure there is no official collie mentor. are you interested in co-mentoring? (iirc, you had mentioned before that you would be)
Dec 27 15:21:38 <summatusmentis> agittins: i would be, or at least, playing a big role in testing
Dec 27 15:22:06 <agittins> You might want to send through an application to the core list then, I just sent mine.
Dec 27 15:22:42 <summatusmentis> agittins: I thought I had at one point, and never heard back from them
Dec 27 15:22:50 <agittins> ahh ok.
Dec 27 15:22:52 <agittins> interesting
Dec 27 15:23:09 <summatusmentis> so I have no idea if I've got access or not, and I didn't really want to push it, with the release so close
Dec 27 15:23:12 <agittins> Ahh, was that the email you sent to the devel list, or to core?
Dec 27 15:23:31 <agittins> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/machine-mentor-upload-access
Dec 27 15:23:48 <summatusmentis> afaik, I accidentally sent it to devel, and then sent it to core as well
Dec 27 15:24:01 <agittins> hehe ok, so should be all bases covered then :-D
Dec 27 15:24:26 <summatusmentis> yeah, this was... a month ago?
Dec 27 15:24:38 <summatusmentis> hrw: ping
Dec 27 15:25:29 <summatusmentis> and the only reason I suggested we find a time to talk about it was to keep the traffic on the devel list low, and not bother everyone with discussion about who should be a mentor
Dec 27 15:25:46 <hrw> pöng
Dec 27 15:25:55 <agittins> eeek - line noise!
Dec 27 15:26:16 <summatusmentis> hrw: any idea if I was added as a collie mentor a while ago
Dec 27 15:26:17 <summatusmentis> ?
Dec 27 15:26:27 <agittins> summatusmentis: yeah, probably a good idea. I think general reports, test results etc would prob be good to have on -users though
Dec 27 15:26:32 <hrw> sorry but I do not remember
Dec 27 15:27:03 <agittins> hrw: I also just sent through a request to -core for co-mentorship
Dec 27 15:27:16 <agittins> s/request/offer/
Dec 27 15:27:20 <agittins> for collie
Dec 27 15:27:30 <summatusmentis> hrw: should I ask koen? or just resubmit?
Dec 27 15:27:43 <hvontres|work> morning all :)
Dec 27 15:27:48 <hrw> moment
Dec 27 15:27:59 <summatusmentis> hi hvontres|work 
Dec 27 15:28:32 <hrw> hi hvontres|work 
Dec 27 15:29:49 <agittins> bbl - gaming :-)
Dec 27 15:45:40 <ant> hi
Dec 27 15:46:11 <ant> nobody noticed /etc/localtime is missing ?
Dec 27 16:00:21 <ant> probably is the old gpe-time-date-settings bug :-(
Dec 27 16:00:43 <ant> but it is missing from console image...
Dec 27 16:02:42 <CoreDump> sounds like the timezones are not installed
Dec 27 16:03:01 <ant> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-April/msg00023.html
Dec 27 16:03:12 <ant> why not to symlink
Dec 27 16:03:35 <Sketch> it's missing in the gpe image too
Dec 27 16:08:00 <ant> CoreDump: how is the bootloader battle?
Dec 27 16:08:05 <ant> CoreDump: who wins?
Dec 27 16:08:18 <ant> CoreDump: altboot + kexec or uboot ?
Dec 27 16:08:57 <CoreDump> custom kernel + initramfs by the looks of it :\
Dec 27 16:09:04 <ant> argh
Dec 27 16:09:40 <ant> CoreDump: you got a serial cable, don't you?
Dec 27 16:09:47 <CoreDump> no
Dec 27 16:10:01 <ant> CoreDump: exciting :-)
Dec 27 16:10:12 <ant> CoreDump: black-box debug !
Dec 27 16:10:31 <CoreDump> heh
Dec 27 16:10:41 <CoreDump> I'll get myself a cable next year
Dec 27 16:10:53 <ant> CoreDump: btw is parallel build stable enough?
Dec 27 16:11:03 <ant> CoreDump: again?
Dec 27 16:11:09 <CoreDump> you need to babysit it
Dec 27 16:11:56 <ant> CoreDump: I see...the logs should be atomagically saved 
Dec 27 16:12:07 <ant> CoreDump: the failure-logs...
Dec 27 16:12:12 <CoreDump> right
Dec 27 16:12:32 <ant> CoreDump: on Gentoo there is something similar
Dec 27 16:13:11 <ant> CoreDump /var/log/portage/elog
Dec 27 16:13:43 <ant> CoreDump: with the warnings / triggers
Dec 27 16:14:02 <ant> CoreDump *only*
Dec 27 16:15:31 <ant> CoreDump: /var/log/portage/xx-yy.log 
Dec 27 16:15:58 <ant> CoreDump: is for the configure + compile + install
Dec 27 16:22:49 <CoreDump> ;)+
Dec 27 16:22:53 <CoreDump> bbl
Dec 27 16:26:19 <ant> bb
Dec 27 16:38:09 <vanguard> Is there something known about kismet ? Seems, orinoco and hostap is not beeing built in in the latest version.
Dec 27 16:38:45 <vanguard> Also /etc/apm/resume.d/S88lock-down is missing after the last upgrade.
Dec 27 16:39:12 <vanguard> Probably I should report this at bugreport.
Dec 27 16:41:16 <vanguard> ...........or maybe not. It is akita, and akita seems to be dead.
Dec 27 16:49:49 <jsheldon> is it known that the qemu gcc 4.0 bug exists in org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable?
Dec 27 16:50:42 <jsheldon> I don't think this is architecture specific, so I'm wondering how any image would build
Dec 27 17:57:38 <jpmatrix> hi
Dec 27 18:00:52 <jpmatrix> so what about kernel 2.6.24 ?
Dec 27 18:05:42 <hrw> which is still not released?
Dec 27 18:06:30 <hrw> and angstrom was already tagged for release so no kernel version change
Dec 27 18:07:12 <Sketch> 2.6.24 isn't out yet...
Dec 27 18:07:35 <Sketch> http://kernel.org/
Dec 27 18:10:07 <hvontres|work> woo... ep93xx console image has been uploded :)
Dec 27 18:10:32 * hvontres|work waits for the autobuilder to get around to the poolde images 
Dec 27 18:19:16 <Stilgar> Hello
Dec 27 18:24:12 <hrw> bye all
Dec 27 18:25:40 <Stilgar> I'm contemplating compiling Sun's J2ME Personal Profile vm for the Zaurus. I've looked online and all I could find was QT versions of it, and I'd like it to run on X
Dec 27 18:27:16 <Stilgar> before I attempt that, I wonder if any of the experienced developers here ever tried it
Dec 27 18:28:24 <schme> Stilgar: Where does one find the source tar ball for that?
Dec 27 18:28:55 <schme> Oh found it.
Dec 27 18:30:38 <Stilgar> http://developers.sun.com/mobility/personal/index.html
Dec 27 18:31:58 <Stilgar> the file is called pp-1_0_01-src-linux-i686.zip
Dec 27 18:33:19 <schme> And the ipks there are all opie?
Dec 27 18:33:38 <schme> uh
Dec 27 18:33:44 <schme> Sorry I just woke up.
Dec 27 18:33:49 <Stilgar> Morning, then.
Dec 27 18:33:51 * schme grabs source :)
Dec 27 18:33:55 <schme> mornin'
Dec 27 18:34:10 <Stilgar> there's a zip file on their site called pp4zaurus-1_0-ea4a-linux-arm-OptimizedJIT_nosym.zip
Dec 27 18:34:27 <Stilgar> containing a Personal Profile jvm compiled for arm and QT
Dec 27 18:36:34 <schme> got it.. :)
Dec 27 18:37:55 <Stilgar> http://developers.sun.com/mobility/configurations/articles/cdc/
Dec 27 18:38:02 <Stilgar> this page details how to build a CVM for linux
Dec 27 18:38:30 <schme> What a horrible messy structure of files.
Dec 27 18:38:54 <Stilgar> not a single readme to be seen
Dec 27 18:40:08 <schme> Horrid :S
Dec 27 18:41:28 <Stilgar> From what I gathered, there are two J2ME flavors - the CLDC and the CDC. CLDC is implemeted by cellular phones, etc. The CDC is a superset of CLDC - so compiling a CDC VM will allow me to run J2ME applications written for both CDC and CLCD
Dec 27 18:42:13 <Stilgar> I tried compiling it on my linux prior to trying cross compilation, but that did not yield much success (I used the last link posted as a guide towards building it)
Dec 27 18:42:57 <schme> One needs to compile CDC too, yeah?
Dec 27 18:43:09 <bgold> anyone there? I need help getting my linksys WCF12 to recognize
Dec 27 18:43:23 <Stilgar> from what I gathered. CDC is the Profile/Standard, CVM is the VM that runs it
Dec 27 18:43:55 <bgold> i have no idea what that means unfortunatly :|
Dec 27 18:44:02 <schme> Stilgar: Mmm. That developes page you just linked to sure has a lot of text but little good information. I'll grab cvm too then :)
Dec 27 18:44:28 <Stilgar> bgold: what's the problem? I've only meddled with the WCF11
Dec 27 18:44:45 <bgold> it won't recognize when I put it in
Dec 27 18:44:53 <bgold> http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Wireless_Card_Support says i have to do something with some file
Dec 27 18:45:03 <bgold> wlan-ng conf file
Dec 27 18:45:11 <humorum> bgold: can you try to use pcmcia-cs ?
Dec 27 18:45:18 <humorum> or udev ?
Dec 27 18:45:30 <Stilgar> bgold: My linksys card worked with hostap driver. 
Dec 27 18:46:03 <bgold> i have no idea what the driver is i need to get and i have no idea what pcmcia-cs is..so bear with me lol .. i don't know all the technilogical linog '\
Dec 27 18:46:06 <bgold> lingo*
Dec 27 18:46:46 <humorum> the recognition of cf-card is different from old kernel and recent kernel,
Dec 27 18:47:24 <humorum> pcmcia-cs is used by old kernel, and it was installed into default zaurus.
Dec 27 18:47:28 <bgold> oh
Dec 27 18:47:35 <bgold> what do i do need to do now to get it to recognize?
Dec 27 18:48:07 <humorum> if you change your kernel to angstrom, and then it isn't recognized, 
Dec 27 18:48:38 <humorum> it may be the problem of udev, a new cf-card recognition method.
Dec 27 18:49:06 <bgold> yes but how do i fix the problem
Dec 27 18:49:35 <humorum> first, you have to check your level of recognition.
Dec 27 18:49:59 <bgold> pccardctl info?
Dec 27 18:50:13 <humorum> yes
Dec 27 18:50:20 <bgold> i get nothing
Dec 27 18:50:22 <humorum> pccarcctl -ls, or status or info
Dec 27 18:50:25 <bgold> prodid_1=""
Dec 27 18:50:30 <bgold> that for all 4
Dec 27 18:50:38 <bgold> and manfid 0000,0000
Dec 27 18:50:43 <bgold> and funcid 255
Dec 27 18:51:17 <humorum> hmm
Dec 27 18:51:26 <schme> Stilgar: This mini java thingie is very interesting. I'm going to take a look at this later today :) If I make any progress on getting it to build I'll give you a hollar.
Dec 27 18:51:42 <Stilgar> Much appreciated!
Dec 27 18:51:52 <Stilgar> I believe my Z will come to new life, given a JVM on it
Dec 27 18:52:12 <schme> It does open up a lot of possibilities. (:
Dec 27 18:52:18 <humorum> bgold: can you use it on other system ?
Dec 27 18:52:24 <bgold> no i can't
Dec 27 18:52:31 <bgold> i have nothing else to try it on
Dec 27 18:52:38 <bgold> i know its not broken though..its new
Dec 27 18:52:48 <humorum> i think the worst level of recognition.
Dec 27 18:53:13 <humorum> cf card has taple area, which stores the cf-card info itself.
Dec 27 18:53:42 <bgold> so am i scrued?
Dec 27 18:53:46 <bgold> or can i make it work
Dec 27 18:53:55 <humorum> if driver is not loaded when cf-card is inserted, but table-info is readable.
Dec 27 18:54:29 <bgold> so..am i scrued? :|
Dec 27 18:55:12 <humorum> if you can, try to use it on default zaurus.
Dec 27 18:55:27 <bgold> i have to use angstorm becaues its the only one that reads my sdhc card
Dec 27 18:56:20 <humorum> hmm, 
Dec 27 18:56:29 <bgold> this is what i did to give you an understanding
Dec 27 18:56:39 <bgold> i installed angstrom, and i opened the WCF12, and put it in
Dec 27 18:56:53 <bgold> opened the WCF12 box.and literally slid it into my CF card slot
Dec 27 18:57:02 <bgold> thats the only things i have done with it to get it to recognize
Dec 27 18:58:13 <humorum> hmm
Dec 27 18:58:32 <bgold> i know in order to get it to recognize in other distros
Dec 27 18:58:36 <humorum> do you try to do 'pccardctl status' ?
Dec 27 18:58:44 <bgold> u needed to edit /etc/pcmcia/wan-ng or something
Dec 27 18:58:57 <bgold> Socket 0: 3.3V 16-bit PC Card
Dec 27 18:59:00 <bgold> thats what I get with status
Dec 27 18:59:37 <bgold> and when i go into the settings folder in angstorm and clikc PCMCIA/CF Card info and config it says socket 0 is ready
Dec 27 19:00:12 <humorum> your zaurus does not have hard disk ?
Dec 27 19:00:27 <bgold> no, i have the c1000
Dec 27 19:01:15 <humorum> hmm, voltage is ok, but cf-taple area is not readable...
Dec 27 19:02:22 <bgold> well usually to get that readbale
Dec 27 19:02:24 <humorum> i cannot help you anymore, but you can try to install pcmcia-cs.
Dec 27 19:02:25 <bgold> i have to add this somewhere:
Dec 27 19:02:31 <bgold> card "Linksys WCF12 11Mbps 802.11b WLAN Card"
Dec 27 19:02:31 <bgold> manfid 0x028a, 0x0673
Dec 27 19:02:31 <bgold> bind "prism2_cs"
Dec 27 19:02:39 <humorum> ok
Dec 27 19:02:52 <bgold> im guessing you don't know where?
Dec 27 19:03:13 <humorum> the information is once written in /etc/pcmcia/config, but
Dec 27 19:03:22 <humorum> it is the configration file of pcmcia-cs
Dec 27 19:03:41 <bgold> so i have to ginstall pcmcia-cs?
Dec 27 19:04:19 <humorum> yeah
Dec 27 19:04:31 <bgold> self compile or is there a package?
Dec 27 19:04:38 <humorum> well,
Dec 27 19:04:44 <humorum> pcmcia-cs_3.2.8-1ads3_armel.deb
Dec 27 19:04:52 <bgold> i don't have debian
Dec 27 19:05:00 <humorum> may work, but i cannot try it this one.
Dec 27 19:05:04 <humorum> ar -x pcmcia-cs_3.2.8-1ads3_armel.deb
Dec 27 19:05:06 <humorum> and 
Dec 27 19:05:19 <humorum> data.tar.gz, you can find out pcmcia modules
Dec 27 19:05:39 <bgold> great
Dec 27 19:05:46 <bgold> well
Dec 27 19:05:55 <bgold> seems like my z will be a paper weight
Dec 27 19:06:01 <bgold> because i don't have enough knowledge to do this shit
Dec 27 19:06:21 <bgold> cya, thanks for yourr help
Dec 27 19:06:31 <humorum> good luck
Dec 27 19:33:58 <schme> Stilgar: It seems that the java stuff uses qmake instead of GNU make. That is not a good sign. (:
Dec 27 19:34:17 <Stilgar> I'm building it with gnu make at the moment
Dec 27 19:34:23 <Stilgar> /tmp/1/personal/build/linux-i686]$ make CVM_JAVABIN=/usr/local/inst/jdk1.6.0_03/bin CVM_GNU_TOOLS_PATH=/usr/bin
Dec 27 19:34:24 <schme> Oh cools.
Dec 27 19:34:28 <Stilgar> it spits out some errors
Dec 27 19:34:41 <schme> That just tells me there be no makefile :S
Dec 27 19:34:42 <Stilgar> I want to get a package that will compile without errors, then I can send it to you for compilation for the Z
Dec 27 19:46:42 <schme> Pffft. fucker needs ksh.
Dec 27 19:49:29 <Stilgar> schme: there are many many many compiling errors. If you'd edit build/share/defs.mk and modify the javac line to:
Dec 27 19:49:40 <Stilgar> CVM_JAVAC      = $(CVM_JAVABIN)/javac -target 1.3 -source 1.3
Dec 27 19:50:10 <Stilgar> they may go away
Dec 27 19:50:15 <Stilgar> (I'm trying this myself now
Dec 27 19:51:37 <schme> My main problem right now is that it requires ksh to compile.
Dec 27 19:58:07 <schme> So this all needs a java installed to compile, huh?
Dec 27 19:59:32 * schme goes looking for how to build a javac (:
Dec 27 20:04:33 <Stilgar> heh
Dec 27 20:04:40 <Stilgar> that you can just download
Dec 27 20:05:24 <Stilgar> I've got to the stage where I get gcc errors
Dec 27 20:05:29 * Stilgar is much more familiar with gcc errors.
Dec 27 20:09:19 <schme> I got to the stage where personal said I needed ksh and ksh homepage wants me to register. And on foundation I got the stage where I have no javac in my scratchbox :)
Dec 27 20:09:50 <Stilgar> hmm
Dec 27 20:09:57 <Stilgar> err... apt-get install ksh?
Dec 27 20:10:16 <schme> That will not work on my scratchbox.
Dec 27 20:11:12 <schme> Anyways the thing to do is to change some variables in the qmake files. A lil' -march=i686 to -march=armv5te here, a lil path to i686 libraries into path to arm libraries there.
Dec 27 20:11:18 <schme> No biggie to patch up me thinks :)
Dec 27 20:13:26 <Stilgar> Hmm
Dec 27 20:14:46 <Stilgar> http://www.over-here.org/eran/ksh.2007-11-05.linux.i386-64.gz
Dec 27 20:15:07 <schme> I need the source.
Dec 27 20:15:29 <schme> To compile the arm binary :)
Dec 27 20:16:25 <Stilgar> hmm, ksh is only needed for the build stage, I think.
Dec 27 20:16:57 <schme> 'course.
Dec 27 20:17:19 <Stilgar> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/ksh/ksh_93s+20071105.orig.tar.gz
Dec 27 20:17:21 <schme> It's no worries. i'll sort it out. Grabbing the java sdk now. Hopefully I'll get it set up so I can use it.
Dec 27 20:17:29 <schme> Ah nice. ty.
Dec 27 20:24:25 <Pixelized> why would one want ksh?
Dec 27 20:24:33 <Pixelized> stick with bash??
Dec 27 20:24:47 <Pixelized> or is this a dependencie issue?
Dec 27 20:25:10 <schme> Pixelized: You will have to ask Sun about why they decided to go with ksh.
Dec 27 20:30:39 <Stilgar> Because it's shipped with Solaris and their developers, due to loyalty, use it.
Dec 27 20:31:00 <Stilgar> That, or they have the people who worked at AT&T where ksh was originally developed, 30 years og.
Dec 27 20:31:04 <Stilgar> ago.
Dec 27 20:34:11 <schme> Essatly.
Dec 27 20:34:19 <schme> Right. now to get on this java problem.
Dec 27 20:35:24 <schme> Ah that binary install didn't quite work out so well :)
Dec 27 21:42:16 <bgold> has anyone gotten the linksys WCF12 to work on angstrom?
Dec 27 21:43:47 <hvontres|work> bgold: you might want to check this thread: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-users/2007-December/001056.html
Dec 27 21:44:13 <bgold> ive seen this
Dec 27 21:44:18 <bgold> my card doesn't get initialized
Dec 27 21:44:22 <bgold> but his does
Dec 27 21:44:49 <tobb> works on c860
Dec 27 21:45:13 <CoreDump> we need a manual: How to get card XYZ working in Angstrom
Dec 27 21:45:17 <bgold> how did you get it to work? did u have to do anything?
Dec 27 21:45:43 <bgold> tobb: i just got mine, but I don't know if I have to edit any config file to get it to recognize. what did you do?
Dec 27 21:45:49 <tobb> I just plug it in and get a device listed in iwconfig
Dec 27 21:46:04 <bgold> dam
Dec 27 21:46:19 <bgold> it lit up and everything? :|
Dec 27 21:47:00 <tobb> well yea
Dec 27 21:47:23 <bgold> well thats not a good sign
Dec 27 21:47:32 <Sketch> i put in my dlink wifi card and it Just Worked(tm)
Dec 27 21:47:39 <tobb> does it lit up when you boot up angstrom?
Dec 27 21:47:42 <bgold> no
Dec 27 21:47:46 <Sketch> though i think i had to disable usb networking first, or the routes don't work right
Dec 27 21:47:56 <bgold> how do u disable that
Dec 27 21:48:09 <tobb> bgold: you never got it to light up?
Dec 27 21:48:18 <bgold> tobb: no
Dec 27 21:48:33 <bgold> tobb: is there a special way or something O_O?
Dec 27 21:48:38 <tobb> I thought every card lit up when you booted
Dec 27 21:48:54 <tobb> until pcmcia is initialized
Dec 27 21:49:17 <bgold> :(
Dec 27 21:50:02 <bgold> well this sucks
Dec 27 21:50:07 <tobb> my cards light shines when I reflash it too
Dec 27 21:50:36 <hvontres|work> bgold: do you have some other machine you could test the card on?
Dec 27 21:50:43 <bgold> unfortunatly no
Dec 27 21:50:51 <hvontres|work> bgold: laptop w pcmcia adapter?
Dec 27 21:51:00 <hvontres|work> bgold: bummer
Dec 27 21:51:13 <bgold> no
Dec 27 21:51:18 <bgold> nope*
Dec 27 21:51:25 <bgold> FUCK
Dec 27 21:51:26 <hvontres|work> bgold: do you have any CF memory cards to check the slot?
Dec 27 21:51:26 <bgold> FUCLK
Dec 27 21:51:27 <bgold> FUCK
Dec 27 21:51:33 <bgold> yes, it reads it perfectly
Dec 27 21:51:44 <bgold> socket 0 sees that tehre is something inserted
Dec 27 21:51:48 <bgold> but it just can't recognize what
Dec 27 21:52:21 <hvontres|work> bgold: unfortunately is sounds like your card might be fsckd
Dec 27 21:52:30 <bgold> whats that mean
Dec 27 21:52:55 <tobb> broken, it should atleast blink when you insert it
Dec 27 21:53:04 <bgold> thats fucking impossible
Dec 27 21:53:16 <bgold> i bought an ambicom from amazon - BROKEN
Dec 27 21:53:20 <bgold> i bought this from ebay
Dec 27 21:53:22 <bgold> BROKEN?!
Dec 27 21:53:29 <bgold> there is no possible way i have this shitty luck
Dec 27 21:53:35 <bgold> no fucking way
Dec 27 21:53:43 <CoreDump> please slow the fucking a bit ;)
Dec 27 21:54:00 <bgold> k
Dec 27 21:54:21 <bgold> im just pissed because i only wasted $100 on cf cards already trying to get internet my @(*#&@(#&*@#&(*@(#(@* ZAURUS
Dec 27 21:54:27 <CoreDump> Ah, it's you. Told you to talk to trisoft.de and save some money...
Dec 27 21:54:43 <bgold> umm coredump .. the only one they recomend is the ambiocom
Dec 27 21:54:55 <bgold> which i refuse to buy after it specifically doesn't work for my Zaurus
Dec 27 21:55:00 <CoreDump> which I'm going to buy in January
Dec 27 21:55:07 <bgold> and i emailed them like you said and they didn't reply
Dec 27 21:55:07 <CoreDump> as it works OOTB
Dec 27 21:55:21 <bgold> tell that to me when mine didn't work OOTB
Dec 27 21:55:33 <CoreDump> yours was defektive
Dec 27 21:55:45 <tobb> maybe your cfslot is broken, have you gotten anything to work with it?
Dec 27 21:55:48 <bgold> its kind of hard to believe that a new ambicom was defective
Dec 27 21:55:57 <bgold> and my new linsys was defective as well
Dec 27 21:56:08 <bgold> tobb: i got memory CF cards to work
Dec 27 21:56:15 <CoreDump> I had my share of experiences with broken CF cards :\
Dec 27 21:56:42 <bgold> 2 in a row?
Dec 27 21:56:43 <bgold> new?
Dec 27 21:56:52 <CoreDump> nah
Dec 27 21:57:09 <hvontres|work> bgold: do memory card work in your slot?
Dec 27 21:57:09 <CoreDump> insert card -> kernel oops...
Dec 27 21:57:20 <CoreDump> insert card -> display turns all white
Dec 27 21:57:35 <bgold> hvontres|work: i just inserted a memory card and its red perfectly
Dec 27 21:57:39 <CoreDump> bend card a bit in the right direction -> works for some time
Dec 27 21:57:45 <bgold> i just inserted my ambicom, screen goes white af ter 5 minutes
Dec 27 21:58:40 <bgold> well, im about to reflash my zaurus which I don't want to do because angstrom is the only thing that supports my 4gig sdhc
Dec 27 21:58:57 <bgold> if i knew it would be this much trouble to get a god dam internet card to work .. i would of never bought this piece of crap
Dec 27 21:59:07 <Pixelized> bgold
Dec 27 21:59:11 <Pixelized> ambicom w1100c?
Dec 27 21:59:21 <bgold> yes?
Dec 27 21:59:33 <Pixelized> well wl1100c-cf
Dec 27 21:59:36 <Pixelized> worked fine for me
Dec 27 21:59:39 <bgold> yeh, i already gave up on that one
Dec 27 21:59:47 <Pixelized> workes on angstrom and pdaxrom
Dec 27 21:59:57 <Pixelized> mind you i haven't test the latest rc2.x
Dec 27 22:00:07 <bgold> don't tell me that it will work for me, beacuse it doesn't. I have tried regular zaurus rom, pdaxrom, angstrom, open zaurus, cracko
Dec 27 22:00:11 <bgold> none work
Dec 27 22:00:16 <Pixelized> dude
Dec 27 22:00:18 <Pixelized> i have it
Dec 27 22:00:20 <Pixelized> and i'm using it
Dec 27 22:00:21 <bgold> dude, I HAVE IT ALSO
Dec 27 22:00:23 <bgold> and IM NOT USING
Dec 27 22:00:28 <bgold> you know why? because it doesn't work
Dec 27 22:00:31 <Pixelized> lol
Dec 27 22:00:33 <bgold> for me atleast, for my c1000
Dec 27 22:00:36 <Pixelized> ok whatever you say
Dec 27 22:00:42 <bgold> do you have the c1000?
Dec 27 22:00:44 <Pixelized> stop using the hermes/orinoco/orinoco_cs
Dec 27 22:00:50 <Pixelized> and use the hostap
Dec 27 22:00:54 <Pixelized> no i have slc-3200
Dec 27 22:00:55 <bgold> i have no clue wtf those are
Dec 27 22:01:19 <bgold> do you know why it works for the 3200 and now the c1000? its because the ambicom is known to give off to much power to the c1000 and it can't handle it while the 3200 can
Dec 27 22:01:26 <bgold> and not the c1000*
Dec 27 22:01:46 <Pixelized> this ain't not 200mw card
Dec 27 22:02:12 <Pixelized> should work imho
Dec 27 22:02:14 <bgold> k, well tell that to the 10+ posts i saw from people complaining that the ambicom doesn't work for their c1000
Dec 27 22:02:42 <bgold> it doesn't matter, i accepted the fact that it doens't work..ive gone through this
Dec 27 22:02:53 <tobb> anyone with c7x0 and mplayer here?, fbset nor xrandr works, and I can't find a -vo imageon option
Dec 27 22:02:54 <bgold> now i bought a linksys wcf12 and it doesn't even get recognized
Dec 27 22:03:30 <Pixelized> bgold if you don't know what hermes/orinoco/orinoco_cs is then how can you live with the fact it doesn't work
Dec 27 22:03:39 <Pixelized> if you didn't try hostap and the low power consumption mode
Dec 27 22:03:50 <CoreDump> tobb: try installing the real fbset, I can't get the busybox thing to work either
Dec 27 22:04:19 <bgold> pixelized: don't know what either is or how to do it..so i just bought a new card which i don't know how to work either .. soo any help would be appreciated
Dec 27 22:04:31 <Pixelized> bgold cardctl ident
Dec 27 22:04:42 <bgold> type that in?
Dec 27 22:04:47 <Pixelized> yes
Dec 27 22:04:50 <tobb> CoreDump: thanks man
Dec 27 22:05:05 <CoreDump> np
Dec 27 22:05:28 <Sketch> pccardctl
Dec 27 22:05:29 <bgold> Pixelized: cardctl no found
Dec 27 22:05:33 <CoreDump> fbset -xres 240 -yres 320
Dec 27 22:05:54 <bgold> socket 0: no product info available
Dec 27 22:06:30 <Pixelized> bgold cardctl not found?
Dec 27 22:06:40 <Pixelized> bgold what release are u running?
Dec 27 22:06:42 <bgold> Pixelized: i did pccardctl ident
Dec 27 22:07:05 <Pixelized> manfid 0x028a, 0x0673 <-- something like that for your card
Dec 27 22:07:13 <Pixelized> and it is a prism just like the ambicom
Dec 27 22:07:15 <bgold> i don't know where to put that
Dec 27 22:07:29 <Pixelized> when you do pccardctl ident
Dec 27 22:07:35 <Pixelized> you should see a manfid
Dec 27 22:07:37 <Pixelized> for the card
Dec 27 22:07:39 <bgold> socket0: no product info available
Dec 27 22:07:45 <Sketch> i believe cardctl is for 2.4 kernels only, pccardctl is for 2.6 kernels
Dec 27 22:08:09 <Sketch> at least that's what the pccardctl docs say ;) it's possible cardctl still works on 2.6
Dec 27 22:08:12 <Pixelized> Sketch very possible i've only test angstrom a couple of time
Dec 27 22:08:26 <bgold> pixelized: i did pccardctl and it says no product info available
Dec 27 22:08:29 <Pixelized> found it's 2 much in development state yet but doing good alot of rcs comming out
Dec 27 22:08:34 <Pixelized> bgold and the card is in?
Dec 27 22:08:41 <bgold> yes
Dec 27 22:08:48 <Pixelized> and what are the last lines
Dec 27 22:08:49 <Pixelized> in dmesg?
Dec 27 22:08:54 <bgold> whats dmesg?
Dec 27 22:09:05 <Pixelized> type dmesg in a console or terminal screen 
Dec 27 22:09:30 <bgold> Pixelized: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
Dec 27 22:09:54 <Pixelized> but pccardctl doesn't say anything when you do pccardctl ident?
Dec 27 22:10:00 <bgold> correct
Dec 27 22:10:23 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 27 22:10:28 <Pixelized> is cardmgr running?
Dec 27 22:10:31 <Pixelized> type in cardmgr
Dec 27 22:10:41 <Sketch> there is no cardmgr on 2.6 ;)
Dec 27 22:10:44 <Pixelized> doh
Dec 27 22:10:45 <bgold> cardmgr not found
Dec 27 22:10:53 <Pixelized> Sketch whats the equiv?
Dec 27 22:11:23 * Sketch looks
Dec 27 22:11:28 <Sketch> there's a kernel thread called pccardd
Dec 27 22:11:36 <Pixelized> i miss the /dev/cua0 times....now /dev/ttyS0 an what not lol
Dec 27 22:12:09 <bgold> so :|
Dec 27 22:12:29 <Pixelized> bgold do you still have your old ambicom?
Dec 27 22:12:39 <bgold> yes pixelized
Dec 27 22:12:43 <Pixelized> just wondering if you plug it in
Dec 27 22:12:47 <Pixelized> do you have time to pccardctl ident?
Dec 27 22:12:52 <bgold> yes
Dec 27 22:12:52 <Pixelized> or it just freezes?
Dec 27 22:13:00 <bgold> i have about 2 minutes
Dec 27 22:13:21 <Sketch> you might do "pccardctl status" too
Dec 27 22:13:52 <Pixelized> he should be able to see a manfid with at least one card
Dec 27 22:14:29 <bgold> it always says not ready ;\
Dec 27 22:14:36 <Pixelized> hum
Dec 27 22:14:45 <bgold> it takes a while to get it to recognize
Dec 27 22:14:50 <bgold> because i don't think i ejected my other card
Dec 27 22:15:02 <Pixelized> pccardctl eject 0 ?
Dec 27 22:15:10 <Pixelized> well at least cardctl eject 0 works lol
Dec 27 22:15:33 <Pixelized> Sketch is there somewhere to read status of packages...like firefox status and etc
Dec 27 22:16:19 <Sketch> status in what way?  installed packages?
Dec 27 22:16:25 <Sketch> btw, maybe of use regarding pcmcia on 2.6: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/pcmcia.html
Dec 27 22:16:32 <Pixelized> no working 
Dec 27 22:16:43 <Sketch> running?
Dec 27 22:16:55 <Sketch> you can see what processes are running with "ps"...
Dec 27 22:17:18 <Sketch> "ps auwx" shows everything
Dec 27 22:17:24 <bgold> ugh
Dec 27 22:17:29 <bgold> i think i need to restart my zaurus
Dec 27 22:17:32 <bgold> its not being recognized
Dec 27 22:17:33 <Pixelized> Sketch no no
Dec 27 22:17:36 <Pixelized> Sketch working status
Dec 27 22:17:40 <Pixelized> firefox is still borked package
Dec 27 22:17:45 <Pixelized> yet its in the repo
Dec 27 22:17:52 <Sketch> oh, i see
Dec 27 22:17:54 <Sketch> dunno
Dec 27 22:18:02 <Sketch> i guess that's why it's still RC ;)
Dec 27 22:18:03 <Pixelized> i don't want to see a top screen or a ps output lol
Dec 27 22:18:21 <Pixelized> Sketch lol yeah but would be nice to have more of a status
Dec 27 22:18:30 <Pixelized> the rc images still work yet they are still release candidates
Dec 27 22:18:31 <bgold> pixelized: its not being recognized ;\
Dec 27 22:18:46 <Pixelized> bgold pccardctl ident or status gives no info what so ever?
Dec 27 22:19:18 <bgold> i dunno
Dec 27 22:19:19 <bgold> let me look
Dec 27 22:19:21 <CoreDump> the real release is soon
Dec 27 22:19:26 <bgold> but in my pcmcia cf card info and config
Dec 27 22:19:36 <bgold> it says info for socket 0 is in "state: not ready"
Dec 27 22:19:56 <Pixelized> bgold weird
Dec 27 22:19:57 <CoreDump> there is no real way to inquire about a package than to check the bugtracker or ask on IRC
Dec 27 22:20:02 <Pixelized> my ambicom works fine in my 3200
Dec 27 22:20:10 <Pixelized> CoreDump ok =)
Dec 27 22:20:22 <CoreDump> as for firefox...forget it :\
Dec 27 22:20:28 <Pixelized> weird tho
Dec 27 22:20:31 <bgold> pccard status for my WCF12 says 3.3V 16-bit PC Card
Dec 27 22:20:37 <CoreDump> nobody has the ressources to debug the segfault
Dec 27 22:20:38 <Pixelized> gobs alot of power but works in pdaxrom and pdaxii13
Dec 27 22:21:13 <bgold> i think i might just install open zaurus :|
Dec 27 22:21:24 <Pixelized> bgold just keep in mind it's deprecated =)
Dec 27 22:21:26 <bgold> and stick with the old kernel and scrue my 4gig sdhc card
Dec 27 22:21:32 <bgold> whats deprecated?
Dec 27 22:22:11 <CoreDump> OZ is
Dec 27 22:22:19 <bgold> what is deprecated*
Dec 27 22:22:28 <Pixelized> pass date
Dec 27 22:22:32 <Pixelized> expired
Dec 27 22:22:33 <Pixelized> lol
Dec 27 22:22:33 <bgold> what should i use then?
Dec 27 22:22:34 <CoreDump> !google define: deprecated
Dec 27 22:22:34 <cdbot2> In computer software standards and documentation, the term deprecation is used to discourage usage of a particular software feature, usually ... @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecated ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:+deprecated ) 
Dec 27 22:22:57 <bgold> pdaxrom?
Dec 27 22:22:59 <Pixelized> bgold i'm going back and forth via angstrom and pdaxii13
Dec 27 22:23:21 <CoreDump> pdax is currently pretty dead as well
Dec 27 22:23:28 <bgold> what do you use coredump?
Dec 27 22:23:36 <CoreDump> angstrom
Dec 27 22:23:55 <Pixelized> i like the pdaxrom build environment
Dec 27 22:23:57 <Pixelized> or boot cd
Dec 27 22:24:06 <bgold> WHY CANT IT JUST SEE MY DAM CARD
Dec 27 22:24:08 <bgold> OMG
Dec 27 22:24:16 <Pixelized> no offense but the openembbed and bitbake env is a pain so far
Dec 27 22:24:20 <CoreDump> almost certainly defective hardware
Dec 27 22:24:29 <Pixelized> bgold sounds defective
Dec 27 22:24:35 <bgold> its not defective
Dec 27 22:24:37 <bgold> if anything is defective
Dec 27 22:24:37 <CoreDump> Pixelized: once you get the hang of it, it rocks
Dec 27 22:24:39 <Pixelized> blown capacitor causing 2 much power to be drained
Dec 27 22:24:39 <bgold> its my Z
Dec 27 22:24:39 <hrw|gone> Pixelized: does any other device see that card?
Dec 27 22:24:49 <hrw|gone> ops 
Dec 27 22:24:51 <Pixelized> hrw|gone euh
Dec 27 22:24:54 <hrw|gone> bgold: does any other device see that card?
Dec 27 22:25:03 <bgold> i have no device that ever had to use a cf card
Dec 27 22:25:06 <hrw|gone> bgold: or Z with pdaX or sharp?
Dec 27 22:25:14 <bgold> my linksys?
Dec 27 22:25:18 <hrw|gone> yes
Dec 27 22:25:20 <bgold> i havent tried anything yet
Dec 27 22:25:22 <bgold> im about to
Dec 27 22:25:36 <hrw> then try sharprom (or cacko)
Dec 27 22:25:46 <Pixelized> CoreDump once i finish configuring my slackware on this laptop i'll see what it looks like again
Dec 27 22:25:47 <hrw> or openzaurus
Dec 27 22:25:58 <bgold> every was just tellin me not to use open zaurus
Dec 27 22:26:14 <hrw> I have laptop with pcmcia so I have a way to test cards other then Z
Dec 27 22:26:34 <hrw> bgold: flas openzaurus, check does it detect card. if it does then tell us
Dec 27 22:26:41 <hrw> if it does not - tell us too.
Dec 27 22:26:41 <bgold> alright
Dec 27 22:26:56 <hrw> but if it does not then flash cacko and check again
Dec 27 22:27:08 <bgold> k
Dec 27 22:27:16 <bgold> can't even find the download for openzaurus
Dec 27 22:27:29 <hrw> if any of your friends has laptop with pcmcia - use pcmcia->cf adapter (~10 euro) and check card
Dec 27 22:27:42 <hrw> bgold: openzaurus.org/downloads/ ?
Dec 27 22:28:00 <bgold> The requested URL /downloads was not found on this server.
Dec 27 22:28:10 <bgold> http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Akita/Install
Dec 27 22:28:13 <bgold> im here but can't find shit
Dec 27 22:28:19 <bgold> can't find crap*
Dec 27 22:28:29 <hrw> moment..
Dec 27 22:28:31 <bgold> nvm found it
Dec 27 22:28:32 <bgold> i think
Dec 27 22:28:50 <hrw> openzaurus.org/download/ - sorry
Dec 27 22:28:56 <bgold> yeh i ofound it
Dec 27 22:29:09 <bgold> ty
Dec 27 22:29:24 <bgold> recommend any specific?
Dec 27 22:29:27 <bgold> opie//gpe?
Dec 27 22:29:46 <hrw> any
Dec 27 22:30:00 <bgold> k
Dec 27 22:31:26 <bgold> hrw: any specific time where i should put my cf card in?
Dec 27 22:31:59 <hrw> any time
Dec 27 22:32:27 <bgold> k
Dec 27 22:32:47 <Taekero> hrm, how's cf support on poodle these days?
Dec 27 22:34:04 <hrw> normal
Dec 27 22:36:13 <Taekero> i ask because i'm not able to get hostap_cs to attach to my prism2 card :)
Dec 27 22:36:35 <hrw> argh..
Dec 27 22:36:41 <hrw> I hate prism2 cards due this
Dec 27 22:36:56 <hrw> need to finally check my marvell card in Z
Dec 27 22:37:17 <hrw> see you tomorrow guys
Dec 27 22:41:01 <bgold> no hrw is gone?!?!?
Dec 27 22:41:03 <bgold> god damit
Dec 27 23:18:04 <bgold> god dam..pdaxii13 won't even calibrate my screen right and i can't even find the calibration menu
Dec 27 23:18:06 <bgold> anyone know where it is?
Dec 27 23:21:07 <schme> Whe?
Dec 27 23:21:13 <schme> Oh the menu.
Dec 27 23:21:22 <schme> I think this is ze wrong channel (:
Dec 27 23:21:54 <bgold> me too
Dec 27 23:21:58 <bgold> but im going crazy
Dec 27 23:22:13 <schme> Ugh.
Dec 27 23:22:18 <bgold> i have tried so many roms and now my WCF12 doens't even work  :(
Dec 27 23:22:33 <schme> That totally blows. Is that the new wifi card you bought?
Dec 27 23:22:49 <bgold> yes
Dec 27 23:23:23 <schme> Is it not being detected or what?
Dec 27 23:23:34 <bgold> its being detected as a CF Card
Dec 27 23:23:37 <bgold> doesn't know wtf itis
Dec 27 23:23:44 <bgold> light doesn't even flash on the card
Dec 27 23:24:45 <schme> cardctl ident been tried?
Dec 27 23:24:57 <bgold> yup
Dec 27 23:25:00 <bgold> no information found
Dec 27 23:25:30 <bgold> socket0: no product info available*
Dec 27 23:25:50 <schme> Hmmm. Is the driver loaded?
Dec 27 23:26:23 <bgold> don't know how to load the driver
Dec 27 23:27:25 <bgold> how do you do that?
Dec 27 23:28:50 <hvontres|work> bgold: what does dmesg say after you insert the car
Dec 27 23:28:53 <hvontres|work> err card
Dec 27 23:29:09 <schme> First off you need to know which driver is actually needed for the specific card.  For some reason I think that card uses the orinico driver.   Try lsmod | grep orinoco
Dec 27 23:29:15 <bgold> says something like: pcmcia card inserted into slot 0
Dec 27 23:29:41 <hvontres|work> bgold: anything after that?
Dec 27 23:29:44 <schme> If it's not there find the driver module somewhere in /lib/modules and use insmod
Dec 27 23:29:47 <bgold> im reflashing to pdaxrom beta 3 to see if it works, and ill try this
Dec 27 23:29:54 <bgold> hvontres|work: no
Dec 27 23:30:06 <schme> Normally on linux one uses modprobe but it seems to be lacking in angstrom (:
Dec 27 23:30:24 <schme> It ought to be in /lib/modules/2.6.23/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
Dec 27 23:30:47 <bgold> the driver?
Dec 27 23:31:18 <bgold> ugh
Dec 27 23:31:25 <schme> Yes.
Dec 27 23:31:25 <bgold> pdax see's it as anaonymous memory for a second
Dec 27 23:31:33 <bgold> then just says no card
Dec 27 23:31:38 <schme> I'm not sure if it is the orinoco driver though.
Dec 27 23:32:00 <schme> Can you get a root terminal on that pdax?
Dec 27 23:32:31 <bgold> yeh
Dec 27 23:32:59 <schme> Try lsmod.
Dec 27 23:33:17 <schme> And also look up what driver that card should be using ;)
Dec 27 23:34:18 <bgold> i need to g back to angstrom
Dec 27 23:34:23 <bgold> i hate everything about pdax
Dec 27 23:34:29 <bgold> angstrom is the cleanest
Dec 27 23:34:42 <bgold> do you think ill be able to get it working if i have the driver in angstrom?
Dec 27 23:34:46 <schme> angstrom has started pissing me off in a wide variety of ways after a few days use (:
Dec 27 23:35:02 <bgold> well this terminal is the biggest peice of crap ive seen
Dec 27 23:35:04 <schme> Normally stuff works if the driver is there, yeah.
Dec 27 23:35:05 <bgold> bigg ass green loetters
Dec 27 23:35:38 <bgold> alright
Dec 27 23:35:40 <bgold> im at lsmod
Dec 27 23:35:44 <bgold> what am i looking for
Dec 27 23:35:52 <schme> The only sane thing to do with Z's is install angstrom console-image, sshfs mount it on a compile machine and homebrew LFS it ;)
Dec 27 23:35:58 <schme> The driver for your card.
Dec 27 23:36:12 <bgold> where woulld that be under?
Dec 27 23:37:27 <bgold> im so confused ;\
Dec 27 23:38:29 <schme> lsmod should list all the loaded modules.
Dec 27 23:38:39 <bgold> yeh it does
Dec 27 23:39:03 <bgold> but im asking under what thing on the listed modules
Dec 27 23:39:07 <bgold> should i bee looking at
Dec 27 23:39:30 <schme> Beats me. The one that is the driver for you card.
Dec 27 23:39:58 <bgold> ugh
Dec 27 23:40:06 <bgold> do you know where to find the default zaurus rom?
Dec 27 23:40:11 <bgold> that came with my zaurus?
Dec 27 23:40:23 <hvontres|work> bgold: which zaurus
Dec 27 23:40:28 <bgold> C1000
Dec 27 23:40:49 <schme> bgold: lsmod | grep orinoco
Dec 27 23:41:18 <hvontres|work> bgold: IIRC, trisoft has a Nand backup of the sharp rom translated to english.
Dec 27 23:41:46 <bgold> schme: nothing found
Dec 27 23:41:52 <bgold> hvontres|work: do you know where this is located?
Dec 27 23:42:00 <schme> bgold: http://www.trisoft.de/en_c1000howto.htm
Dec 27 23:42:24 <schme> bgold: cd /lib/modules && find -name "*orinoco*"
Dec 27 23:42:57 <schme> It ought to be in /lib/modules/SomethingOrOther/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
Dec 27 23:43:42 <bgold> both find nothing
Dec 27 23:44:14 <bgold> hvontres|work: which one should I download
Dec 27 23:44:25 <bgold> schme: are u sure the driver is actually there?
Dec 27 23:44:50 <schme> No. I have no idea about anything 'cause you are on pdax
Dec 27 23:45:16 <schme> For all I know it might be built in to the kernel or it could just be missing.
Dec 27 23:45:24 <bgold> i can go get on angstrom if u want
Dec 27 23:46:00 <schme> It would make it easier for me to try and help ;)
Dec 27 23:46:09 <bgold> schme: which option on the maintenence mode is backup restore?
Dec 27 23:46:33 <schme> No idea what so ever (:
Dec 27 23:48:26 <bgold> argh
Dec 27 23:53:51 <CoreDump> Service (3/3) -> 2. BACKUP RESTORE MENU -> 6. NAND Flash Restore
Dec 27 23:54:23 <bgold> what do you mean service 3/3?
Dec 27 23:55:06 <CoreDump> page 3 of the service menu
Dec 27 23:55:22 <CoreDump> says so in the topic of that page as well
Dec 27 23:56:33 <bgold> how do you get to a different page :|
Dec 27 23:57:13 <bgold> i only see 4 options? i guess this is not the right place?
Dec 27 23:58:29 <bgold> nvm i got it
Dec 28 00:01:31 <CoreDump|Zzzz> n8
Dec 28 00:16:42 <bgold> what to do afert it says Restore..ok
Dec 28 00:17:54 <schme> Did ya NAND restore it?
Dec 28 00:18:19 <bgold> yeh
Dec 28 00:18:33 <bgold> to its original zaurus rom
Dec 28 00:18:51 <bgold> because there are instructions on how to get the WCF12 to work on the original rom
Dec 28 00:18:59 <bgold> now if it doens't work..then its my zaurus
Dec 28 00:19:11 <bgold> if it does..well then i know that its me :)
Dec 28 00:19:12 <bgold> lol
Dec 28 02:24:41 <tobb> why does zaurusd contain matchbox specific files?
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