**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 01 02:59:57 2008
Jan 01 20:44:44 <Stilgar> I've searched deep and wide in the mailing list archives... but a stable image for the spitz machines is not mentioned there. May I ask if it's due to follow the other stable releases for the other various devices?
Jan 01 20:46:31 <hrw> its because spitz mentor did not yet tested images on device
Jan 01 20:51:36 <Stilgar> A-ha. Doesn't sound far, then.
Jan 01 20:52:06 <Stilgar> I really think this effort is superb - not often do you see open source groups join forces for such a cause.
Jan 01 20:52:38 <hrw> ;D
Jan 01 20:54:09 <Stilgar> I also understood that this version utilizes the native graphics accelerator of the pxa for mplayer?
Jan 01 20:54:31 <hrw> yes
Jan 01 20:55:44 <Stilgar> That is indeed superb
Jan 01 20:56:46 <Stilgar> One thing I can't find is the locales package - does localization work differently than on Debian, let's say?
Jan 01 20:56:56 <Stilgar> Couldn't find locale-gen and the required files for it
Jan 01 20:57:24 <hrw> angstrom provides pregenerated locales
Jan 01 20:57:32 <hrw> no need to use localegen on device
Jan 01 20:58:22 <Stilgar> *much* better. It's a huge repository.
Jan 01 20:59:55 <hrw> it will much bigger when we will start to build feeds contents
Jan 01 21:11:26 <Stilgar> Minimo looks really promising - a C3000 can really be used as an internet tablet, the lack of a stable browser prevented such a use so far.
Jan 01 21:12:15 <cyrilRomain> does anyone tried midori ?
Jan 01 21:12:39 <cyrilRomain> it failed on a gtk assert here in a i686 qemu image
Jan 01 21:12:57 <cyrilRomain> but this webkit-based web browser seems very promissing
Jan 01 21:14:52 <Stilgar> nope. I stopped at netsurf.
Jan 01 21:15:08 <Stilgar> which is nice for a small browser.
Jan 01 23:46:03 <nebajoth> oh wow
Jan 01 23:46:07 <nebajoth> this is a hefty irc channel
Jan 01 23:46:20 <nebajoth> well, hello everyone
Jan 01 23:46:55 <nebajoth> happy new years and all that
Jan 01 23:56:00 <CoreDump> likewise ;)
Jan 01 23:59:11 <nebajoth> :)
Jan 01 23:59:22 <nebajoth> oooh, a person :D
Jan 01 23:59:29 <nebajoth> are you a knowledgeable person?
Jan 01 23:59:35 <nebajoth> an "expert", mayhaps?
Jan 02 00:00:13 <nebajoth> I DID come seeking support... but I also found the Collie tips&tricks wiki page just now
Jan 02 00:00:18 <nebajoth> so I was going to poke at it and see if my questions were already answered there
Jan 02 00:00:42 <nebajoth> seems as though there aren't many collie users around
Jan 02 00:01:44 <nebajoth> although...  I think my problem may be independent of that
Jan 02 00:02:15 <nebajoth> I attempted to flash the autobuild zImage/initrd.bin to my machine last night
Jan 02 00:02:36 <nebajoth> it failed miserably :/
Jan 02 00:03:57 <nebajoth> "Kernel panic -- not syncing"
Jan 02 00:04:11 <nebajoth> and the little beastie just powers on by itself
Jan 02 00:04:13 <nebajoth> so, ok
Jan 02 00:04:21 <nebajoth> I removed the battery and put it down for the night
Jan 02 00:04:38 <nebajoth> the wife came along, popped the battery in and stowed it on a shelf
Jan 02 00:04:42 <nebajoth> and it ran down overnight
Jan 02 00:04:49 <nebajoth> now it won't charge or start
Jan 02 00:04:57 <nebajoth> is it bricked?
Jan 02 00:05:00 <nebajoth> :P
Jan 02 00:06:39 <CoreDump> ummm
Jan 02 00:07:18 <CoreDump> A damaged zImage / initrd.bin should not be able to really "brick" it
Jan 02 00:07:31 <rwhitby> nebajoth: read the wiki on how to recover from a deeply discharged battery
Jan 02 00:07:42 <CoreDump> you could brick it by flashing to the wrong regions of flash only
Jan 02 00:09:17 * CoreDump remembers discharging his olds iPAQ battery exactly once, and it dying on him...
Jan 02 00:11:32 <CoreDump> the battery! Not the ipaq...
Jan 02 00:12:25 <nebajoth> thanks for the answers, guys!
Jan 02 00:12:30 <nebajoth> I'll look at that now, rwhitby
Jan 02 00:13:11 <nebajoth> does anyone know if angstrom is running on the SL-5500 yet?
Jan 02 00:14:29 <CoreDump> I don't think so
Jan 02 00:14:32 <nebajoth> rwhitby, I assume you mean the angstrom wiki?  I can't find it
Jan 02 00:14:53 <nebajoth> CoreDump, D:
Jan 02 00:15:41 <rwhitby> nebajoth: sorry, wrong channel - ignore everything I said.
Jan 02 00:16:04 <CoreDump> nebajoth: there may be unstable images somewhere, dunno sorry. Collie still has kernel problems fom what I here
Jan 02 00:17:15 <CoreDump> nebajoth: make sure that the battery switch is in the right position
Jan 02 00:17:50 <nebajoth> CoreDump: it is
Jan 02 00:18:00 <nebajoth> I suppose I'll revert to OZ
Jan 02 00:18:05 <CoreDump> yep
Jan 02 00:18:08 <nebajoth> assuming I can get it going again
Jan 02 00:18:16 <CoreDump> I doubt it's dead
Jan 02 00:18:24 <CoreDump> maybe the battery
Jan 02 00:18:30 * nebajoth nods
Jan 02 00:18:33 <nebajoth> it may have died
Jan 02 00:18:35 <nebajoth> the battery
Jan 02 00:18:53 <nebajoth> I've had it for a while, and its length of charge was diminishing pretty significantly
Jan 02 00:19:09 <nebajoth> in fact, after I charged it overnight, it presented as being only half charged in the OS
Jan 02 00:19:14 <nebajoth> dodgy
Jan 02 00:19:29 <CoreDump> that might be it
Jan 02 00:19:39 <nebajoth> you'd think being plugged into the wall, it would still run, though
Jan 02 00:19:51 <nebajoth> but apparently it has no failover
Jan 02 00:20:26 <CoreDump> no, IIRC (and it has been some time!) Collie will _not_ turn on w/o battery
Jan 02 00:20:38 * nebajoth nods
Jan 02 00:20:56 <nebajoth> hmmm, I wonder how much a replacement costs
Jan 02 00:21:10 <nebajoth> maybe I should just open this open and solder a power cord to it
Jan 02 00:21:23 <nebajoth> open this up*
Jan 02 00:21:35 <CoreDump> you don't want to risk that
Jan 02 00:21:55 <CoreDump> The Zs die very fast due to wrong voltage / polarity
Jan 02 00:22:21 <CoreDump> trisoft.de carries the original batteries
Jan 02 00:22:31 <CoreDump> they aren't exactly cheap tho
Jan 02 00:24:46 <nebajoth> hmm
Jan 02 00:25:00 <nebajoth> maybe I'll just donate it to the angstrom team then
Jan 02 00:25:40 <nebajoth> I was just going to use it for non-mobile use anyway
Jan 02 00:25:49 <nebajoth> install an irc client and screen
Jan 02 00:26:07 <nebajoth> but I have an NSLU2 I can do that with instead
Jan 02 00:27:07 <CoreDump> if you really consider doing this, you should drop a mail on one of the angstrom lists
Jan 02 00:27:16 <nebajoth> nod
Jan 02 00:27:20 <nebajoth> see who wants to mentor it
Jan 02 00:27:44 <nebajoth> how much are third-party batteries?
Jan 02 00:28:09 <CoreDump> no idea, sorry
Jan 02 00:28:31 <CoreDump> my collies dies faster than the batteries that powered them =)
Jan 02 00:28:47 <CoreDump> *died
Jan 02 00:29:37 <nebajoth> lol
Jan 02 00:30:10 <nebajoth> hmmmm
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