**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 11 02:59:56 2008 Jan 11 03:54:16 hum qemu + gcc4 = eek for me Jan 11 03:54:23 anybody successfuly compiled with 4? Jan 11 11:29:03 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/11/keyboard-in-palmtops/ Jan 11 15:09:46 damn stupid qemu gcc4 issue Jan 11 16:29:26 What is the best way to mirror the angstrom-distribution feeds? I would like to save them to an SD card, to install apps on my C3100 Jan 11 16:29:45 I have tried to use WGET, but the fancy indexes on the webserver make it difficult Jan 11 16:35:45 Martyn: Can you not wget http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ ? Jan 11 16:36:01 nope Jan 11 16:42:16 Martyn: Are you sure? It seems to work just fine when I do it. Jan 11 16:43:16 Martyn: wget --mirror http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/spitz/ grabbed me a whole buncha ipks it looks like Jan 11 16:48:21 It does .. but it also grabs lots of directories above as well Jan 11 16:50:00 Martyn: It shouldn't. It should not be creating more of the hierachy than necesarry to mirror the specified URL. Jan 11 16:50:38 Martyn: So for me it just created www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/spitz/ and mirrored that. Jan 11 16:50:47 I noticed there is an angstrom-distribution/feed/2007/ipk ... and the unstable feed you listed above .. which is considered canonical for installing software? Jan 11 16:51:04 Beats me. I don't use the feeds (: Jan 11 16:54:29 !logs Jan 11 16:54:31 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Jan 11 16:54:32 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Jan 11 16:54:33 Live-logs are available at Jan 11 16:54:35 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Jan 11 16:54:37 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Jan 11 16:58:38 'lo all Jan 11 17:05:32 hi Jan 11 17:05:35 hi Jan 11 17:09:45 * JoshMalone is trying to figure out how to set up build env to port apps to angstrom/gpe Jan 11 17:30:44 in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jan 11 17:30:51 Step 3: what is local.conf? Jan 11 17:32:30 it is the file sourced by bitbake to determine for what machine and what distro you want to build (so angstrom distro for you) Jan 11 17:32:43 it is the configuration file for your build in short Jan 11 17:36:43 where is it? do I create it? if so, where? Jan 11 17:36:47 (sorry - noob here :) Jan 11 17:37:54 create it in bitbake/conf/local.conf? Jan 11 17:41:22 and is DISTRO really supposed to be "angstrom-2007.1" (i.e., not 2007.12)? Jan 11 17:41:34 dang - he left - missed that Jan 11 17:48:48 JoshMalone: you should have a local.conf.default in your build/conf directory, use that as a starter, but change as little as possible (my experience is that small changes can create big confusing errors) Jan 11 17:50:26 AFAIK, the current "release" that is out there is org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable, and for that the DISTRO it seems, should be "angstrom-2007.1". I don't know why, so I could be wrong. Jan 11 17:51:18 okay :) Jan 11 17:51:36 which device are you planning to build for? Jan 11 17:52:53 c3100 (but using spitz machine conf) Jan 11 17:53:11 ok, I have no model-specifc knowledge there to help you with. Jan 11 17:53:45 :) Jan 11 17:53:48 thanks Jan 11 17:54:39 ARGH - redhat enterprise is missing SO many utilities; it's really a DOG of a distro Jan 11 17:54:58 generally, change as little as possible anything in your local.conf, just the essentials. if you get problems making locale files (something about qemu running localedef or something) then there's an option to disable building locales in the local.conf.sample Jan 11 17:55:17 and that, my friend, is about the sum total of my OE knowledge :-) Jan 11 17:55:28 humf Jan 11 17:55:32 well thanks - i really do appreciate ANYTHING at this stage Jan 11 17:55:34 guess i have to install gcc3 Jan 11 18:03:39 wheee - it's building! Jan 11 18:03:51 correction - it's fetching Jan 11 18:06:58 and it's crashing Jan 11 18:15:44 ack - sharp edges on this bui;d Jan 11 18:29:47 cant build gettext-native Jan 11 18:29:53 ERROR: function do_configure failed Jan 11 19:15:55 i'll never understand libtool Jan 11 19:16:14 anybody feel like helping a noob build a package for the first time? Jan 11 19:34:24 dangit - can't get gettext-native to build right Jan 11 19:59:14 argh - now perl problems :( Jan 11 20:56:49 Gimp is now seg faulting when trying to make a new image >_< Jan 11 20:57:27 Does the current 2008 release have a new kernel? I'd like to see if my problems have been fixed (ie, it doesn't work) Jan 11 21:01:14 I'm trying to set up a build environment, and have a question. Would somebody care to help me? Jan 11 21:01:40 I'm following the directions at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jan 11 21:02:08 It says "add the following to your local.conf:" Jan 11 21:02:18 Where is this "local.conf"? Jan 11 21:02:47 you have to make it. Jan 11 21:02:56 The build instructions are... iffy. Jan 11 21:03:14 So where do I make it? In the /OE directory? Jan 11 21:03:40 If I end up liking using Angstrom, I'd be happy to update the directions Jan 11 21:04:27 you failed on the instructions before step 1, I am impressed :-) Jan 11 21:04:49 I'm about to get to step 4 Jan 11 21:05:14 So where do I make "local.conf"? Jan 11 21:05:16 Capn_Fish: but you totally skipped the first paragraph Jan 11 21:05:40 Ah, that's true Jan 11 21:05:52 :-D Jan 11 21:06:00 Why does my pda always freeze when installing a large number of packages >_< Jan 11 21:06:03 I shall go and continue RTFMing, in that case Jan 11 21:06:07 but yeah local.conf stull is detailed in GettingStarted Jan 11 21:06:10 stuff Jan 11 21:06:41 ipkg is just so... unstable. Every time it freezes up like this I have to reset my PDA (we're talking about an entire hour on "configuring [some package]") Jan 11 21:06:46 stop being so Elitist XorA Jan 11 21:07:11 OasisGames: /tmp is in ram, package downloads go to /tmp, ram fills up, end of game Jan 11 21:07:19 So add swap? Jan 11 21:07:36 I have 128mb of suicidal swap (swap on an SD card) Jan 11 21:07:39 do packages in smaller batches Jan 11 21:07:45 tmpfs cant be swapped AFAIK Jan 11 21:07:47 I'm installing one thing Jan 11 21:07:58 OasisGames: which zaurus? Jan 11 21:08:08 Not a zaurus. Jan 11 21:08:26 which device? Jan 11 21:09:26 iPaq rx3715 (ARMv4t, 400mhz, 60mb of RAM, 2gb SD card w/ 128mb swap partition, run swapon /dev/mmcblk0p2 at every boot) Jan 11 21:09:47 OasisGames: you could temporarilly try moving /tmp to SD card Jan 11 21:10:37 Probably, but I'm reinstalling gnumeric - which didn't fail the first time. Jan 11 21:11:02 Also, why is the package list stored in a volatile directory? Jan 11 21:11:17 Or so it seems ... Jan 11 21:12:01 Capn_Fish: did you figure out the local.conf? I just figured it out myself :) Jan 11 21:12:16 Ya Jan 11 21:12:18 * JoshMalone is new to OE today :) Jan 11 21:12:19 Thanks Jan 11 21:12:24 Me too Jan 11 21:12:49 but now I have to figure out how to get the autom4te perl stuff to finish building the gettext-native pkg as a dependency Jan 11 21:12:59 /OE/org.openembedded.[distro]/conf Jan 11 21:15:19 Can't locate Autom4te/ChannelDefs.pm in @INC :( Jan 11 21:15:27 is this just a stupid distro problem? Jan 11 21:20:13 NOTE: Applying patch 'fixchicken.patch' <- LOL Jan 11 21:20:58 Interesting name Jan 11 21:23:59 About how long will it take to build a package (assuming no other packages have been built yet). My system is a Pentium M 1.6GHz, 7xx MB RAM, and I'm building GNU Nano for Akita Jan 11 21:24:39 forever if you can't build the damn dependancies *sigh* Jan 11 21:24:55 What? Jan 11 21:25:18 nevermind Jan 11 21:25:34 If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me! Jan 11 21:25:38 * JoshMalone is having problems cuz he started installing OE in a symlinked place Jan 11 21:25:47 I feel I need all the help I get Jan 11 21:25:51 ah Jan 11 21:26:39 me too Jan 11 21:27:00 I'm starting over an re-installeing OpenEmbedded Jan 11 21:27:36 The setup isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Jan 11 21:27:42 What system are you building for? Jan 11 21:27:49 spitz Jan 11 21:27:55 C3000? Jan 11 21:28:02 3100 Jan 11 21:28:07 Me too Jan 11 21:28:16 I think spitz will install to the HDD, though Jan 11 21:28:39 yes - spitz is HD-based Jan 11 21:28:45 whew Jan 11 21:28:50 I was worried for a bit Jan 11 21:28:58 spitz is used for Cx000 Jan 11 21:29:05 C3x00 rather Jan 11 21:29:12 I have a C3100 as well Jan 11 21:29:25 I want to use the NAND rather than the HDD, hence the Akita building Jan 11 21:29:33 okay Jan 11 21:31:12 and all I want is freaking pine :( Jan 11 21:31:22 ...and to port scummvm Jan 11 21:31:48 I know the feeling Jan 11 21:32:00 Hi there - I have just configured OE for cm-x270 angstrom-2008.1 - it compiles now using "bitbake vim". How do I configure that I also want all "normal" utils, e.g. cp, mv, df, fdisk etc? Is this already chosen from selecting angstrom-2008.1? How/where can I tune the amount of "base" packages? Jan 11 21:32:03 What do you think I'm doing :) Jan 11 21:32:03 oh well - gotta just bit the bullet Jan 11 21:32:35 .... utterly utterly cool system... Jan 11 21:32:57 pto: I'd like to know that as well. Jan 11 21:35:26 My guess is the the distribution name "angstrom-2008.1" is a set of packages thus that gives a distro of a certain size which may or may not be affordable in my embedded target Jan 11 21:36:15 wish I knew what level of detail Jan 11 21:36:46 JoshMalone: pine is nice ... Jan 11 21:36:56 I like pine uhhhm :) Jan 11 21:37:12 so far it's the best mail client for the small screen and keyboard that I've found Jan 11 21:37:37 YAY - got past gettext Jan 11 21:37:47 <_helge> I'm seeing commits like this one: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded.scm/405 but when I 'mtn pull; mtn update' I don't see this change in my local tree. What am I doing wrong? Jan 11 21:37:54 I've been using Claws-Mail Jan 11 21:38:32 I'm really impressed with the Danger devices - I'd love something 85% usable from the kaypad alone Jan 11 21:38:45 Danger devices? Jan 11 21:39:00 hiptop - sold as "sidekick" by t-mobile Jan 11 21:39:16 ah Jan 11 21:39:26 they have no touchscreen - all nav is by trackball Jan 11 21:39:36 I wish the Z had a trackball Jan 11 21:40:05 I have been using pdaXrom with a hacked version of EvilWM that you could control almost entirely with the keyboard Jan 11 21:40:19 is pdaxrom good? Jan 11 21:40:27 I like it a lot Jan 11 21:40:39 Unfortunately, development may have halted Jan 11 21:40:41 is there a list of pkgs available for it? Jan 11 21:40:49 That's why I'm trying Angstrom Jan 11 21:40:57 Official or otherwise? Jan 11 21:41:12 phew - okay, building in OE seems to be working now that I re-installed with no symlinks Jan 11 21:42:46 http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/pdaxrom/download/r198/c1000-c3x00/ Jan 11 21:42:50 Official feed is there Jan 11 21:43:00 User-contributed feeds are all over the place Jan 11 21:43:11 heh Jan 11 21:43:45 Here's mine Jan 11 21:43:47 http://www.techassassins.com/Zaurus/feed/ Jan 11 21:43:58 There are a bunch more at www.tyrannozaurus.com Jan 11 21:44:24 nice Jan 11 21:46:33 Uh-oh Jan 11 21:46:54 it says ERROR: '/OE/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable/packages/qemu/qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed Jan 11 21:47:32 your /OE isn't a symlink is it? Jan 11 21:47:38 No Jan 11 21:47:46 It's just /OE Jan 11 21:48:15 that was my problem Jan 11 21:48:48 in /OE//build/tmp/angstrom/work/i686-linux/qemu.... there should be a log file Jan 11 21:48:56 (also referenced in the error message I think) Jan 11 21:49:37 k Jan 11 21:51:15 It looks like it wants gcc 3.x, whereas 4.x was built Jan 11 21:51:26 Anybody have any advice? Jan 11 21:51:37 does your host have gcc-3 available? Jan 11 21:51:58 duh. Jan 11 21:52:02 I should have thought of tha Jan 11 21:52:05 *that Jan 11 21:52:20 can't build gcc-3 with gcc-4 according to GCC peeps IIRC Jan 11 21:52:54 I have gcc 3.4 installed Jan 11 21:53:11 hmm.... dunno then (that was really just a half-assed guess anyway :) Jan 11 21:53:45 Anybody? Jan 11 21:53:49 Thanks, BTW Jan 11 21:57:51 mmmm... opie is nice :) Jan 11 21:59:33 what's the browser on pie? Jan 11 21:59:37 opie* Jan 11 22:00:06 not sure to be honest :) Jan 11 22:00:12 haven't gotten that far Jan 11 22:00:24 lol, fair enough Jan 11 22:00:43 When I tried OZ opie, I remember thinking it was prettier, but not as functional as X11 Jan 11 22:02:30 oops - swtiched to a non-functional vt Jan 11 22:02:33 how do I get back? Jan 11 22:03:38 non-functional in that you can't type commands? Jan 11 22:03:42 what machine? Jan 11 22:04:03 c3100 Jan 11 22:04:12 I seem to have both qpe and X running :) Jan 11 22:05:11 you should be able to fn+left or fn+right, to switch vt's Jan 11 22:05:19 at least, I can on GPE on a 3200 Jan 11 22:06:02 hold both japanese keys + 1 , 2 , 3 etc seems to switch VTs... maybe Jan 11 22:09:43 Cannot find font definition file /usr/local/qt-embedded/lib/fonts/fontdir Jan 11 22:09:45 bummer Jan 11 22:13:50 okay - time to go home - l8rz all Jan 12 01:04:22 OK, I bitbaked an app, but where's the package? Jan 12 01:06:28 never mind Jan 12 01:07:55 How do I disable the building of locale files/packages? Jan 12 02:33:02 in the current angstrom builds, how does one change from using hostap_cs to orinoco or hermes modules? there used to be some files under /etc/pcmcia to rename/mv but this seems to no longer be the case Jan 12 02:46:46 One more question for the moment: If I build/download and install a console image, can I install X11 on top of it and have it behave like a normal X11 system (my own WM, startx, .xinitrcs, etc.)? Jan 12 02:48:45 assuming you've got the WM built for the zaurus, most likely Jan 12 02:48:57 might take a bit of hacking around, I'm not really familiar with the X11 setup Jan 12 02:49:00 I just use the X11 images Jan 12 02:49:34 I should be able to bitbake any WM I want, no? Jan 12 02:50:11 if there's a recipe Jan 12 02:50:35 I mean, in theory, yes. Whether or not it builds, or even if there's a recipe, that's potentially where you might run into some issues Jan 12 02:50:42 There ought to be for at least the basic ones like IceWM, fluxboxm etc. Jan 12 02:50:50 I don't want to be stuck with GPE Jan 12 02:51:01 afaik there are for fluxbox, e17, maybe icewm Jan 12 02:51:56 OK Jan 12 02:52:03 How hard are recipes to write Jan 12 02:52:04 ? Jan 12 02:55:16 Any idea how long a console image will take to build? Pentium M 1.6 GHz, 768MB RAM Jan 12 02:57:26 I'm not sure about writing recipes, and it's fairly dependent on the machine... I don't know how to gauge **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 12 02:59:57 2008