**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 13 02:59:57 2008 Jan 13 04:24:12 :) http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=5232 Jan 13 05:15:18 Could somebody tell me where the recipes are, if they exist, for the images? I'd like to make a custom image. Thanks. Jan 13 05:20:03 Capn_Fish: packages/images Jan 13 05:22:02 Thanks. Jan 13 05:29:33 Is there a wiki page or something describing how these image recipes work or something? Jan 13 05:30:32 http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=commonuse_new_image Jan 13 05:30:57 Thanks Jan 13 05:30:59 and other parts of the manual Jan 13 07:48:31 hello, I was about to try out the new opie images on my collie, but "opie-image-collie.jffs2" is > 16M, which IIRC is the limit of the internal flash Jan 13 07:49:11 or am I looking at the wrong file? Jan 13 07:56:12 anybody in here alive? Jan 13 07:58:12 I am, but I'm just waiting to see if I get my question answered ;) Jan 13 07:58:17 lol Jan 13 07:58:29 just noticed on the spitz r2 that root password length seems limited Jan 13 07:59:38 well actualy any passwd file has a limit Jan 13 08:00:15 err any passwd in the passwd file seems to have a limit Jan 13 10:41:13 hi Jan 13 10:44:14 mornin Jan 13 15:25:23 Anyone who have been building qt4 into OE/Angstrom? Jan 13 15:48:31 how do I change the busybox version installed with console-image?, setting the PREFFERED_VERSION does not work Jan 13 15:49:12 if I just bitbake busybox it will build the version I've set Jan 13 15:49:36 but bitbake console-image installs another version Jan 13 15:50:16 then "your" version is older than the original set version Jan 13 15:50:22 so I removed this version, all the task* stamps, but now I get ERROR: Cannot satisfy depencies for task-base-extended: busybox Jan 13 15:50:44 rm `find deploy/ipk/ -name "*busybox*ipk"` Jan 13 15:52:11 + bitbake -c rebuild busybox + bitbake $IMAGE Jan 13 15:54:16 trying... Jan 13 15:55:54 I think busybox 1.7.2 is hanging my c7x0, not sure though, but if I upgrade busybox on RC3 it hangs in like 3 secs Jan 13 15:58:32 CoreDump: so I can -c rebuild and then I don't have to remove any stamps manually? Jan 13 15:59:26 exactly Jan 13 16:00:25 you could also do a bitbake -b /path/to/some.bb to force building a different .bb but this would not build any dependencies Jan 13 16:01:35 cool Jan 13 16:04:41 tried to build a git version of xserver but didn't work with setting preferred_version to git Jan 13 16:33:09 CoreDump|bbl: nice it worked!, flashing... Jan 13 16:39:11 and it doesn't hang! :), busybox 1.7.2 was the culprit Jan 13 16:40:40 hi all, is there anyone using an SL-CXX0? Jan 13 17:36:33 * synko|on_BB_code feels idiot, I analize the wrong code:: BB <> bk :: BB=py BB!=C , duh, but now i can continue on the right way Jan 13 18:24:20 under ksh you need to include all the BB commands into the source script or you loose all the settings variables Jan 13 18:24:42 bash ftw Jan 13 18:29:22 pixelized: is possible to update the developer page under the ang-distro site? Jan 13 18:31:34 change information on the developer page? Jan 13 18:36:13 pixelized: yep Jan 13 18:36:23 hum i'm pretty sure u need to post on forum Jan 13 18:36:28 and if the information is valid they will change it Jan 13 18:36:45 pixelized: k, im going to do it Jan 13 18:50:25 hum got my wpa_supplicant working Jan 13 18:50:48 0.5.5 ain't liking hostap+firmware Jan 13 19:04:26 Hm, using the latest Angstrom for my Zaurus C1000 I've got a problem setting the USB peripheral mode to "Storage". For some obscure reason it's always reverted to "Ethernet Networking" Jan 13 19:11:37 I'm trying to build a custom image. I changed the x11-image.bb file to not include GPE and to include some extra stuff. The problem is that it doesn't build a kernel, and thus fails to build the install kit. How do I tell it to build a kernel? Jan 13 19:12:07 Thanks to everybody here who has helped me, by the way. I realize I've asked a ton of questions. Jan 13 19:17:40 Er... okay... Searching through the dmesg-logs I found the line "g_file_storage gadget-lun0: unable to open backing file: /dev/hda". b/c I'm on a C1000, /dev/hda doesn't exist... How do I change that? Jan 13 19:18:12 no hard drive Jan 13 19:24:14 Anybody? Jan 13 19:24:46 pixelized: No, not quite. It should actually point to /media/card. Jan 13 19:25:11 DaSourcerer: ls -l /dev/hda Jan 13 19:25:16 Capn_Fish: what file did u modify Jan 13 19:25:54 org.angstrom.../packages/images/x11-image.bb Jan 13 19:26:07 pixelized: "ls: /dev/hda: no such file or directory" Jan 13 19:26:30 DaSourcerer: What are you trying to do? Jan 13 19:26:43 DaSourcerer: then it doesn't exist Jan 13 19:26:46 like i said Jan 13 19:26:55 pixelized: I know it doesn't exist :> Jan 13 19:27:07 unless you have a hard drive Jan 13 19:27:13 But I want to make the inserted SD-card usable via USB Jan 13 19:27:14 which if i'm not mistaken c1000 doesn't have Jan 13 19:27:18 usb-stick like Jan 13 19:27:28 usb-stick = /dev/sda or /sdb etc etc Jan 13 19:27:43 and sdcard Jan 13 19:27:58 Could you just do a Jan 13 19:28:07 ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/hda1 Jan 13 19:28:07 is usualy /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jan 13 19:28:32 Well, actually it would be "/dev/mmcblk0p1". But how/where do I set that? Jan 13 19:28:40 Hm, okay... Jan 13 19:28:47 Haven't thought of that :P Jan 13 19:28:52 you could symlink it Jan 13 19:28:57 but it's kindof a throw off Jan 13 19:29:06 since it's not suppose to be named hda lol Jan 13 19:31:27 Whatever. It works :D Jan 13 19:31:41 glad to hear it. Jan 13 19:32:32 pixelized: Any ideas? Jan 13 19:32:39 of course it works Jan 13 19:32:45 u just symlinked it and fooled it into using it Jan 13 19:32:56 Capn_Fish: checking it gimme a sec Jan 13 19:33:01 k, thanks Jan 13 19:38:20 Capn_Fish: hum not sure Jan 13 19:38:39 i've only made packages for software so far and not a full hdimage Jan 13 19:38:51 Capn_Fish: you will have to ask CoreDump or hrw or others =( Jan 13 19:38:52 OK Jan 13 19:39:00 still new to oe + bitbake Jan 13 19:39:14 I started yesterday Jan 13 19:40:04 Thanks for your help Jan 13 19:40:14 i started about 2 days ago Jan 13 19:40:50 mind you what i see in the conf files for x11-image Jan 13 19:41:08 Is...? Jan 13 19:41:25 have you tried base-image before? Jan 13 19:42:16 Wait...I just tried to build a console-image (no modifications), and it failed to build the kernel as well. Jan 13 19:42:26 I bet it's a human error here. Jan 13 19:42:54 Probably due to me deleting all of the stuff in the Spitz directory for tidyness Jan 13 19:43:52 I assume signing up for the mailing list is a good idea? Jan 13 19:46:54 hum Jan 13 19:46:58 what did u delete? Jan 13 19:48:47 Everything in the deploy/images/spitz directory Jan 13 19:48:56 I found the answer, BTW Jan 13 19:49:22 ok good Jan 13 19:49:28 i have had no issues building the kernel Jan 13 19:49:32 only hving issues building lirc Jan 13 19:49:37 You need to delete the "linux-2.6.x.x-x-x-x" files from some state directory Jan 13 19:49:39 or something Jan 13 19:49:43 yeah Jan 13 19:49:51 i've deleted the state directory Jan 13 19:49:53 to restart Jan 13 19:49:55 redownload Jan 13 19:49:56 It appears it builds the kernel once and packages it multiple times Jan 13 19:50:14 stamps Jan 13 19:50:21 Smart, but too bad it doesn't check to see if the kernel still exists Jan 13 19:50:26 Yeah, that's the one Jan 13 19:50:29 yup Jan 13 19:50:43 had to do that for lirc 2 Jan 13 19:50:51 I see. Jan 13 19:50:56 stamps directory contains the what it has done Jan 13 19:50:58 and won't redo Jan 13 19:50:59 lol Jan 13 19:51:13 configure fetch compile install etc etc Jan 13 19:51:38 That's good to know. Now I won't come back and bug people with a similar problem :) Jan 13 19:52:34 lol Jan 13 19:52:48 if i had known before you deleted it i could've told u that Jan 13 19:52:51 cause i did the same thing Jan 13 19:52:52 hahaha Jan 13 19:53:26 i didn't know u had deleted all in deploy Jan 13 19:55:09 I figured "why not clean this directory up?" Jan 13 19:55:12 lol Jan 13 19:55:23 i wanted to redownload the lirc package Jan 13 19:55:28 so i removed it Jan 13 19:55:36 k Jan 13 19:55:36 same thing happened to me wouldn't compile Jan 13 19:55:37 i check logs Jan 13 19:55:41 nothing to make Jan 13 19:55:45 i got in directories it's empty Jan 13 19:55:46 hahaha Jan 13 19:55:52 lol Jan 13 19:55:53 cause the fetch file was created Jan 13 19:55:57 so no more fetching it from the net Jan 13 19:55:58 lolz Jan 13 19:56:15 For normal packages you can use the -f flag to force rebuilding it Jan 13 19:56:21 yeah Jan 13 19:56:30 IDK if that redownloads it, though Jan 13 19:56:41 not sure Jan 13 19:56:49 i made myself a bash script Jan 13 19:56:56 with an $1 at the end Jan 13 19:57:05 so i ./compile nano <-- example Jan 13 19:57:25 And if force-compiles it? Jan 13 19:57:37 haven't set that Jan 13 19:57:51 What's the script do, then? Jan 13 19:58:04 #!/bin/sh Jan 13 19:58:06 source source ; cd /OE/org.openembedded.angstrom-2007.12-stable ; mtn pull ; mtn update ; bitbake $1 Jan 13 19:58:16 gotcha Jan 13 19:58:28 the source source is cause my source isn't named.txt lol Jan 13 19:58:28 Maybe you should put it in your $PATH Jan 13 19:58:46 i could but ./ ain't long to type Jan 13 19:58:57 or cd /OE lol Jan 13 19:58:59 true, but then you don't need to be in the dir Jan 13 19:59:11 thus my last comment =) Jan 13 19:59:28 And if you want to build some, dozen packages at different times, that could add up Jan 13 19:59:36 don't feel like editing my /etc/profile 2 lazy today Jan 13 19:59:48 fair nuff Jan 13 20:00:11 it's the weekend hahaha Jan 13 20:00:17 w00t! Jan 13 20:00:29 for multiple compiles i could just call bitbake with all the args Jan 13 20:00:38 but i like making sure everything is up to date Jan 13 20:01:03 True Jan 13 20:01:09 I should do that sometime :) Jan 13 20:05:34 so what pda u own? Jan 13 20:06:02 A Zaurus SL-C3100, an SL-C750, and an iPAQ h1910 Jan 13 20:06:10 I only really use the C3100, though Jan 13 20:06:15 And you? Jan 13 20:08:33 sl-c3200 Jan 13 20:08:43 cool Jan 13 20:09:04 if i remembre correct only diff between u and me is like 2g of hd Jan 13 20:09:12 It's true Jan 13 20:09:22 which u can change Jan 13 20:09:24 THe C3200 is harder to overclock, though Jan 13 20:09:30 really? Jan 13 20:09:39 It has a newer CPU revision that doesn't work as well Jan 13 20:09:44 Or so I gather Jan 13 20:09:53 hum haven't tried overclocking it yet Jan 13 20:10:00 I'm not a fan of OCing Jan 13 20:10:10 i have nothing against oc'ing a desktop Jan 13 20:10:13 a laptop and a pda...forget it Jan 13 20:10:40 I'd be inclined to agree Jan 13 20:10:56 The only reason I'd want to is for movies, but I'm OK with QVGA Jan 13 20:11:04 They look fine. Jan 13 20:12:15 w00t! my build finished :) Jan 13 20:12:24 I needed to get the updater back as well. Jan 13 20:12:34 Testing time! Jan 13 20:13:04 lol Jan 13 20:13:14 i had to change the wpa_supplicant in 2007.12 Jan 13 20:13:24 0.5.5 wasn't working with hostap + my card Jan 13 20:14:10 What card? Jan 13 20:15:05 ambicom wlc1100 Jan 13 20:15:08 some crap like that Jan 13 20:15:10 prism 2.5 Jan 13 20:15:36 got it with the zaurus for like 10$ extra Jan 13 20:15:39 zaurus was new Jan 13 20:15:41 card was used Jan 13 20:15:44 japonese ppl Jan 13 20:15:58 they rock Jan 13 20:16:09 was an acceptable price for this puppy + cf card Jan 13 20:16:15 Same one I have Jan 13 20:16:30 did u get it to work with wpa_supplicant 0.5.5 Jan 13 20:16:32 i couldn't Jan 13 20:16:36 It works for everything, with every ROM/distro Jan 13 20:16:53 I compiled the latest on pdaXrom, and it worked with that Jan 13 20:16:57 yeah Jan 13 20:17:01 haven't tried with Angstrom yet Jan 13 20:17:01 it worked with pdaxii13 as well Jan 13 20:17:07 angstrom and wpa Jan 13 20:17:09 i've had issues Jan 13 20:17:12 Joy Jan 13 20:17:32 I don't fancy the idea of trying it, in that case Jan 13 20:17:43 well could be just me Jan 13 20:18:07 People have posted at TON at OESF comlaining about how hard WPA is to get working Jan 13 20:18:22 I haven't had issues following the directions to the letter Jan 13 20:18:33 well i'm using it on my laptop right now Jan 13 20:18:49 works fine Jan 13 20:18:51 Why would you use Angstrom on a laptop? Jan 13 20:18:53 wpa_supplicant Jan 13 20:18:56 ah Jan 13 20:19:02 What distro? Jan 13 20:19:04 stupid new broadcom card on my tx1314ca Jan 13 20:19:08 stuck with ndiscrapper Jan 13 20:19:10 slackware 12 Jan 13 20:19:17 I like Debian Testing Jan 13 20:19:22 i like debian 2 Jan 13 20:19:35 Why Slackware, then? Jan 13 20:19:36 but been a slackware user for like 11years Jan 13 20:19:42 nice! Jan 13 20:19:46 i like the i do nothing for you Jan 13 20:19:50 you have to set me up Jan 13 20:19:55 cause u know once it works...it works Jan 13 20:19:57 lol Jan 13 20:20:05 plus u get to know how it works thus why i started with slackware Jan 13 20:20:08 I would be using Debian on the Zaurus, but it was painfully slow Jan 13 20:20:09 was the most unix like Jan 13 20:20:44 curses, I can't log in to my build :( Jan 13 20:21:02 it says login: no valid shadow password Jan 13 20:21:21 lol /etc/shadow ain't there i take it Jan 13 20:21:35 ah rap Jan 13 20:21:36 No idea Jan 13 20:21:39 ? Jan 13 20:21:40 crap wpa still not working Jan 13 20:21:45 ah Jan 13 20:21:53 i was sleepy last nite i tought i had fixed i Jan 13 20:21:55 must of dreamth it Jan 13 20:22:05 It's possible Jan 13 20:23:35 What do I need to install for /etc/shadow Jan 13 20:23:37 ? Jan 13 20:23:53 that should be in the base install package Jan 13 20:24:15 Apparently it's not. Jan 13 20:24:19 It's in the console image Jan 13 20:25:27 lol Jan 13 20:28:03 well at least it says it's connected and associated Jan 13 20:28:33 good to hear Jan 13 20:28:48 yeah but unpingable Jan 13 20:28:56 Have you done dhcp stuff? Jan 13 20:29:01 nop Jan 13 20:29:03 static ip Jan 13 20:29:04 That caught me a couple of times Jan 13 20:29:08 hmm Jan 13 20:29:11 i don't use dhcp here Jan 13 20:29:21 my NAT server is a linux box runs slackware Jan 13 20:29:28 my iptables denies everything the net Jan 13 20:29:34 I see Jan 13 20:29:37 then allowed if you have the correct IP + correct mac address Jan 13 20:29:44 Nice. Jan 13 20:30:00 Nobody's going to steal your internet, eh? Jan 13 20:30:39 access point has mac address filtering Jan 13 20:30:50 and u have to set ur mtu's to 1400 Jan 13 20:31:12 I see. Jan 13 20:31:16 see no dhcp so u have to assign yourself an ip and gateway (my gateway is not x.x.x.1 lol) Jan 13 20:31:26 That makes sense Jan 13 20:31:29 gotta assign your own dns server Jan 13 20:31:34 OpenDNS? Jan 13 20:31:52 actualy my box only lets you contact 2 sets of dns Jan 13 20:31:53 hahaha Jan 13 20:32:06 then you have to have the correct WPA Jan 13 20:32:12 and a correct mac for the AP to accept u Jan 13 20:32:24 then goes threw linux box...which is ip+mac for net Jan 13 20:32:40 You may be secure enough Jan 13 20:32:51 iptables -I FORWARD -i eth1 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j DROP Jan 13 20:33:09 iptables -I FORWARD -i eth1 -s 192.168.0.1 -m mac --mac-source 00:26:54:0e:d2:76 -j ACCEPT Jan 13 20:33:11 simple example Jan 13 20:33:24 all ports on the net are blocked by default and what is needed is opened Jan 13 20:33:35 simple stuff but useful Jan 13 20:33:56 Definitely Jan 13 20:35:39 Do you know which stamp to delete to make it recreate the rootfs? Jan 13 20:36:41 nope Jan 13 20:36:55 Oh, I bet I know what the issue is. Jan 13 20:37:09 I took an X11 image that had GPE in it, and took out the GPE stuff Jan 13 20:37:33 GPE had a firstboot thing that prompted you for the root password and probably created /etc/shadow Jan 13 20:37:50 I'll have to see what I can do. Jan 13 20:38:41 gonna have to give it one Jan 13 20:39:22 I took out the line that says "zap password" and see if that just leaves the password blank Jan 13 20:41:17 nope Jan 13 20:41:52 I think I'll start from the console image... Jan 13 20:42:35 are u using qemu to test it out Jan 13 20:42:40 no Jan 13 20:43:00 I'm just looking at the rootfs to see if it has /etc/shadow Jan 13 20:43:03 kk Jan 13 20:43:04 before I flash it Jan 13 20:43:08 so ur unziping it Jan 13 20:43:11 ya Jan 13 20:43:17 well actualy from what i gathered only thing we flash is kernel Jan 13 20:43:21 rest is on hd? Jan 13 20:43:23 Ya Jan 13 20:43:31 I was using Akita images to use the NAND Jan 13 20:43:38 vs pdaxii13 that actualy using the flash Jan 13 20:43:46 But apparently installing packages to external media is broken Jan 13 20:43:56 and 32MB isn't enough to have a decent system on Jan 13 20:44:09 u can get way more then 32mb Jan 13 20:44:12 if u install pdaxii13 Jan 13 20:44:15 and install the crack Jan 13 20:44:18 well patch Jan 13 20:44:27 it's 120 or 124mb u get out of the 128 Jan 13 20:44:45 I know Jan 13 20:44:56 By default, it's 32MB /, the rest /home Jan 13 20:45:09 And the C3x00 image can't access the flash Jan 13 20:45:13 lol Jan 13 20:45:22 And the Akita image can't repartition it to regrow the / partition Jan 13 20:45:36 And I'm too lazy to get the Cacko install tools to do it for me. Jan 13 20:45:43 I may later, though. Jan 13 20:47:29 weird Jan 13 20:47:35 So sad. Jan 13 20:47:38 adding the -d option i still get authenticated Jan 13 20:47:48 hmm Jan 13 20:49:31 gonna try compiling 0.4.7 Jan 13 20:49:35 like i had on pdaxii13 Jan 13 20:49:37 it was working Jan 13 20:49:44 mind u it was using hostap for 2.4.x kernel Jan 13 20:49:53 maybe it's a hostap issue but it doubt it Jan 13 20:50:03 can't believe it's says it's authenticated Jan 13 20:50:58 ifconfig wlan0 shows correct ip Jan 13 20:51:01 Do you know if Angstrom's kernel's hostap is patched for packet injection? Jan 13 20:51:06 no clue Jan 13 20:51:11 THey have aircrack-ng in the feeds, which makes me think it would be Jan 13 20:51:18 they also have rfakeap Jan 13 20:51:34 witch unlike fakeap uses raw packets Jan 13 20:51:49 Where's the list of kernel patches? I know I saw it somewhere Jan 13 20:51:58 which requires raw injection Jan 13 20:53:31 But they may have only patched some drivers... Jan 13 20:54:10 www.angstrom-distribution.org is down?!?! Jan 13 20:54:23 How am I supposed to find a patch list now? Jan 13 20:54:36 yeah Jan 13 20:54:58 Know when it will be back? Jan 13 20:55:02 nope Jan 13 20:55:06 dang. Jan 13 20:55:22 something got f00bared Jan 13 20:55:29 fun times. Jan 13 20:55:41 It was really slow earlier. Jan 13 20:57:20 My image works, though :) Jan 13 20:57:36 =) Jan 13 20:57:51 i want my wpa to work gonna try another supplicant once my lirc build crashes Jan 13 20:58:32 What makes you think it'll crash? Jan 13 20:59:12 One more question: Do you know where I can change/add files to the rootfs build? Jan 13 20:59:34 I'd like to add a .xinitrc and change some other files. Jan 13 21:00:52 hum no other then adding them to the tarball Jan 13 21:03:37 k Jan 13 21:12:43 why do i get the feeling this ain't compiling using both my cores Jan 13 21:13:10 No idea Jan 13 21:13:18 Did you set it up to? Jan 13 21:13:31 dunno where to do that Jan 13 21:13:44 in your build/conf/local.conf Jan 13 21:13:48 add the line Jan 13 21:14:05 # Make use of my SMP box Jan 13 21:14:05 PARALLEL_MAKE="-j4" Jan 13 21:14:05 BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "2" Jan 13 21:14:07 or lines Jan 13 21:14:12 as the case may be Jan 13 21:14:48 in what conf Jan 13 21:14:59 bitbake? Jan 13 21:15:27 ROOT/build/conf/local.conf Jan 13 21:15:40 says it in org.angstrom Jan 13 21:15:41 in the conf Jan 13 21:15:49 eg, mine is "/OE/build/conf/local.conf" Jan 13 21:16:07 mine seems to be in /OE/org.blablabla Jan 13 21:16:17 try moving it Jan 13 21:16:48 there is no conf folder in my build folder Jan 13 21:16:52 make one Jan 13 21:18:00 u sure it needs it in the build directory? Jan 13 21:18:21 yes Jan 13 21:18:25 weird Jan 13 21:18:28 That's where mine is Jan 13 21:18:36 I'm just following the directions Jan 13 21:18:42 hum Jan 13 21:18:48 It can't hurt Jan 13 21:19:16 I have to go for the moment Jan 13 21:19:20 see ya later Jan 13 21:53:59 anybody in here alive? Jan 13 22:22:05 _O/ Jan 13 22:22:19 .0/ Jan 13 22:22:19 ... +1 from here :) Jan 13 22:22:50 ive a small head Jan 13 22:22:53 :) Jan 13 22:23:51 I have been building angstrom distros all weekend - seems to run through, and I can run bitbake qt4-x11-free, however I still need to understand dependencies better. Jan 13 22:24:18 I tried to add qt4-x11-free to my distro-build target Jan 13 22:24:36 which did not succeed due to lack of dependencies Jan 13 22:25:32 pto: good,, im a newbie here .. i suggest you or to post on the forum or to read the source following the include links.. Jan 13 22:30:29 instead im compiling a base image and getting "FUNCTION do_configure failed" and it give me an empty log file to read.. but for now its ok.. Jan 13 22:38:50 synko|work: forum? Jan 13 22:39:23 <[A2K]> hi. i have qtek s200 and want to use linux on it. is it possible? :) Jan 13 22:39:34 I will start to read the source tomorrow - I kinda understand it - but when I hook in my qt4 stuff it burns Jan 13 22:40:31 pto: nvm Jan 13 22:40:56 ? Jan 13 22:41:13 pto: nvm(nevermind) referred to the forum Jan 13 22:41:58 oki Jan 13 22:42:13 [A2K]: Do you know which cpu you have in there? Jan 13 22:42:25 I tried to google for that info Jan 13 22:45:36 <[A2K]> Texas Instruments OMAP 850, 200 MHz Jan 13 22:50:50 Not unlikely Jan 13 22:50:57 There is OMAP support Jan 13 22:51:15 but (bad news) from 1510 and upwards Jan 13 22:51:41 Is 850 also a ARM 926 ? Jan 13 22:54:50 <[A2K]> yes it is Jan 13 22:55:22 <[A2K]> and 1510 is ARM925 Jan 13 22:55:59 I am just reading : Jan 13 22:56:12 pto@debmac:/media/disk-1/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine$ ls omap* Jan 13 22:56:12 omap1510inn.conf omap1610h2.conf omap1710h3.conf omap2420h4.conf omap2430sdp.conf omap5912osk.conf Jan 13 22:56:46 i.e. you might have to start describing your omap versus the ones above Jan 13 22:58:02 <[A2K]> well, i know that it is possible to boot linux on my qtek, but i want not only to boot it, but to use my ppc with linux Jan 13 22:58:20 <[A2K]> graphical interface, phone dialing, wifi, etc.. Jan 13 22:59:00 then you might also want to follow the openmoko guys Jan 13 22:59:44 <[A2K]> i thought openmoko works only on neo1973... Jan 13 23:00:59 <[A2K]> ok, thx Jan 13 23:14:35 Are there any tutorials for making bitbake recipes that aren't on sites that are down? openembedded.org and angstrom-distribution.org both are. Thanks. Jan 13 23:20:38 ~seen koen Jan 13 23:20:59 something's really screwed ;-) Jan 13 23:21:14 What? Jan 13 23:21:23 I've ever thought that end of the world is near ;-) Jan 13 23:21:41 I'm afraid I don't understand. Jan 13 23:22:20 Capn_Fish, both oe and a-d.org are down, koen's not here, ibot's dead ... Jan 13 23:22:43 Capn_Fish, try google cache and point it to openembedded.org, that should do for the time being Jan 13 23:22:48 I see. I knew they were down Jan 13 23:22:59 OK Jan 13 23:22:59 or maybe archive.org should help for now too Jan 13 23:23:04 Thanks. Jan 13 23:23:13 you're welcome Jan 13 23:24:15 Two more questions: Is it safe to go and edit the default kernel configs, and I'd like to double check the the Angstrom kernel's HostAP module us patched for packet injection, correct? Jan 13 23:24:37 I did make a backup of the config, btw. Is there a better way to do it? Jan 13 23:25:13 no idea what you want to do, but as far as you dont wipe the bootloader from your PDA, everything is safe ;-) Jan 13 23:25:22 Wait, Koen was on OESF forums about 15 minutes ago, FWIW. Jan 13 23:25:24 OK Jan 13 23:25:43 Sounds like a good policy Jan 13 23:25:49 yea and editing the kernel configs should be safe if you know what you're doing and if you dont remove something important ;) Jan 13 23:26:11 I have close to an idea as to what I'm doing (just enabling a module) Jan 13 23:26:41 And the packet injection? I saw a patch that looked like it, but I'd like to double check. Jan 13 23:26:51 well. you can checkout the sources and prepare new .config using make menuconfig and then handediting it to fit OE Jan 13 23:27:06 there are some differences, you can easily find them using diff -Naru or so ... Jan 13 23:27:14 gotcha. Jan 13 23:28:12 Well, thanks again for your time. Angstrom is appearing to be able to be a normal-ish distro on the Zaurus if you care to hack together your own image Jan 13 23:28:35 um ... :) Jan 13 23:28:38 I'm trying to make it as close to pdaXrom as I can Jan 13 23:29:00 I dont have zaurus, but I still quite follow you ;) Jan 13 23:29:13 Good to hear it. Jan 13 23:29:27 What do you use then? Jan 13 23:29:50 I'm coming from the OESF world where nearly everybody has a Zaurus :P Jan 13 23:30:09 palmone handhelds, one ipaq hw6315d, loox n560 and x86 laptop with angstrom ;) Jan 13 23:30:21 I see. Jan 13 23:30:36 Angstrom can build unofficial images for the iPAQ h1910, right? Jan 13 23:30:57 I thought I saw a config file for it. Jan 13 23:31:34 it can build unofficial images for whatever you want, but you have to slightly push it the direction you want ;-) Jan 13 23:32:00 I see. Jan 13 23:32:19 I doubt I could get an image for my Palm m150, though Jan 13 23:32:40 Well, maybe I could. Whether or not I could get it on there would be another story Jan 13 23:33:11 if it has at least four megs of ram, then you can get at least some basic shell iirc Jan 13 23:33:24 err wait ... Jan 13 23:33:33 zire is m150 or not ? Jan 13 23:33:38 Ya Jan 13 23:33:44 I doubt it could do anything Jan 13 23:33:49 useful Jan 13 23:34:07 yea, I have that one too, 2 megs of ram are really too few Jan 13 23:34:16 I was mostly joking. I have 2 Zaurii and an iPAQ to play with. Jan 13 23:34:32 http://palm-linux.sourceforge.net/ check this out about some more info on m68k palms with linux if you want to Jan 13 23:34:53 Nah. I like my VGA screens. 160x160 is really too small :) Jan 13 23:34:55 Capn_Fish, I have about 8 palms to play with ... Jan 13 23:34:58 and Im not joking ;) Jan 13 23:35:17 240x240 on hw6315d is quite usable ... well ;/ Jan 13 23:35:17 I don't doubt it. Did you get them all yourself or accept discards from people? Jan 13 23:35:44 I bought half of them as new and some others just as used ones Jan 13 23:36:13 some of them quite cheap and in semi-broken state, but I managed to fix them somehow :) Jan 13 23:36:32 Most people don't even bother to try fixing their electronics Jan 13 23:36:51 Especiall iPods Jan 13 23:37:16 The battery dies and people think they need to replace them, when you can replace the battery for like $15 Jan 13 23:38:09 * summatusmentis wishes there was a way to turn his 3200 into a CDMA smartphone Jan 13 23:38:51 Everybody who owns a Z does. Jan 13 23:38:58 You can do VoIP with it Jan 13 23:39:07 * Marex-notebook wishes he could get a Z Jan 13 23:39:17 that requires some sort of constant network connection though Jan 13 23:39:19 Everybody who doesn't own one does :) Jan 13 23:39:41 True, but if you're in a city, you likely have one Jan 13 23:40:01 I don't know, at this point, if I didn't have a Z, and if I were on GSM, I'd probably go the openmoko route Jan 13 23:40:19 Capn_Fish: I live in a town of 600, and go to school in a town of 5000 when the university is in session Jan 13 23:40:21 Ya. OpenMoko looks nice Jan 13 23:40:23 I want something small with keyboard Jan 13 23:40:30 new version of Eee looks nice too Jan 13 23:40:32 Zaurus FTW, in that case Jan 13 23:40:32 oh, keyboard, right Jan 13 23:40:41 yeah, for real, Z > EEE Jan 13 23:40:59 although, built-in wifi would be nice Jan 13 23:41:03 It fits in a pocket :) Jan 13 23:41:07 You can hack it in Jan 13 23:41:49 On a C1000, you put a lower resistor over the one that limits the USB power draw and solder a USB wifi module inside the space where the Microdrive in a C3x00 would be Jan 13 23:41:59 Not too easy, but possible Jan 13 23:42:02 hack wifi in? Ive got a 3200 Jan 13 23:42:09 You still could Jan 13 23:42:19 Pull out the MD and do the same thing Jan 13 23:42:24 then put the MD in the external slot Jan 13 23:42:25 huh Jan 13 23:42:35 Not necessarily practical, but possible Jan 13 23:42:40 that's intruiging Jan 13 23:42:46 would you do it for me? Jan 13 23:42:51 that's perverted ;-E Jan 13 23:44:15 I don't have the skills. I'm more of a software person Jan 13 23:44:41 There are a couple of guys I'm aware of making a Zaurus of Doom with their C1000s Jan 13 23:45:04 Wifi, bluetooth, accelerometer, ethernet, etc. Jan 13 23:45:23 They're planning on taking up both CF slots to do it, but it sounds cool. Jan 13 23:45:39 oh... taking up both CF slots is not something I'd be ok with Jan 13 23:45:46 wifi/bt would be nice though Jan 13 23:46:06 You don't need to if you only want wifi/bt Jan 13 23:46:15 Just for ethernet, accelerometer, etc :) Jan 13 23:46:59 accelerometer is nice for practicing for suicide ;D Jan 13 23:48:27 what is etc? like what else are they stuff in there? Jan 13 23:48:42 ethernet would be nice too, but kind of unecessary Jan 13 23:48:48 Capn_Fish: where are you located? Jan 13 23:50:41 Somewhere within North America Jan 13 23:50:52 I know, not helpful Jan 13 23:51:05 I can't remember what the "ect." is Jan 13 23:51:13 *etc. Jan 13 23:51:15 fair enough, no worries. Would your friends do it if I shipped it to them, and paid them for time? Jan 13 23:51:50 I don't know. They haven't finished their mod yet. They're working on getting parts and making sure they have drivers and stuff now. Jan 13 23:52:03 Are you registered on OESF? Jan 13 23:53:19 yeah, have been for a while, go under microsoft/linux Jan 13 23:53:38 Gotcha. I'll drop them a line and ask them to get in touch. Jan 13 23:53:42 I just googled for it, came across Da_Blitz, he seems to know what he's talking about Jan 13 23:54:15 sure, just don't make it sound like it's a sure thing, I'm a college student, and lack income :-D Jan 13 23:54:54 I just told him that you'd like to get in touch concerning his Zaurus of Doom Jan 13 23:55:07 It's AlbertR that did the mod Jan 13 23:55:16 I can't find his site anymore, however. Jan 13 23:55:55 gnight Jan 13 23:56:04 see ya Jan 13 23:56:37 night Marex-notebook Jan 13 23:56:42 cool, thanks Capn_Fish Jan 13 23:57:21 No problem. Jan 13 23:57:43 If you need help with something Zaurus-related, feel free to PM me on OESF Jan 13 23:57:55 I enjoy helping (or attempting to help) people Jan 13 23:58:10 don't really do much with forums, I much prefer IRC Jan 13 23:58:30 and OESF seems kinda stagnant Jan 13 23:58:36 Not at all. Jan 13 23:58:54 There are usually people around. Jan 13 23:59:18 sure, but not for angstrom Jan 14 00:00:30 Capn_Fish: what browser do you use on your Z? Jan 14 00:00:30 That's because it says on Angstrom's site to NOT use the forum Jan 14 00:00:57 Right now it's Minimo Jan 14 00:01:14 When I was using pdaXrom, it was Links2 and Dillo-i18n Jan 14 00:01:32 is it running wicked slow? I hate Dillo Jan 14 00:02:13 What, Minimo? Jan 14 00:02:30 Not half as slow as Firefox, but not great. Jan 14 00:03:47 Galeon/ephiphany wouldn't be as bad as Firefox either Jan 14 00:04:13 NetSurf isn't too bad, but I don't know if you can get it on Angstrom Jan 14 00:04:16 I haven't run firefox since OZ Jan 14 00:04:45 And you shouldn't Jan 14 00:04:49 It's SLOW Jan 14 00:04:51 At best Jan 14 00:04:56 doesn't work on angstrom either Jan 14 00:05:01 It doesn't? Jan 14 00:05:27 I don't think so, I think the most recent version that was working was 1.0.0.7 Jan 14 00:05:37 something like that, anything newer segfaults Jan 14 00:05:40 That's not necessarily ba Jan 14 00:05:42 bad Jan 14 00:05:47 or, at least, afaik Jan 14 00:05:51 It's not suited for the Zaurus at all Jan 14 00:06:16 mm Jan 14 00:09:39 What program can I use to simulate right and middle keypresses? Like hold Fn and tap for right-click. Jan 14 00:10:33 xmonobut is an applet that runs on the taskbar Jan 14 00:10:58 I don't have a taskbar Jan 14 00:12:48 what wm are you running? Jan 14 00:12:58 EvilWM Jan 14 00:14:40 And what do I have to do to get a USB mouse working? Jan 14 00:16:32 Never mind. Probably install xf86-input-mouse Jan 14 00:18:09 potentially, I don't know, I just run standard GPE Jan 14 00:18:26 Ya, that works, but it has the same issue as Debian Jan 14 00:18:31 It's rotated wrong Jan 14 00:18:53 I need to turn the mouse 270 degrees cw to get it to move straight :( Jan 14 00:19:38 But the scroll wheel works :) Jan 14 00:20:09 I'm sorry, you're using EvilWM on top of angstrom? Jan 14 00:21:11 Yup Jan 14 00:21:20 It works like a charm :) Jan 14 00:21:49 Is there a problem with that? Jan 14 00:22:44 ??? Jan 14 00:25:03 no, no problems, I didn't know there was a package for it Jan 14 00:25:13 I don't know if there is Jan 14 00:25:30 I have hacked EvilWM so much, I built from my own source manually Jan 14 00:25:42 mm Jan 14 00:26:03 is angstrom-distribution.org down? Jan 14 00:26:13 ya Jan 14 00:26:31 You can check the packages by adding /repo at the end Jan 14 00:26:38 that's still up for some reason, as are the feeds Jan 14 00:26:49 wait, say that again? Jan 14 00:27:02 www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ Jan 14 00:27:19 lol Jan 14 00:27:20 I'm having trouble ipkg update ing Jan 14 00:27:22 package browser Jan 14 00:27:30 It works for me Jan 14 00:27:34 summatusmentis: no net? Jan 14 00:27:39 or no more space? Jan 14 00:27:49 I should have net, and I should have plenty of space Jan 14 00:28:09 ping www.google.ca Jan 14 00:28:20 cat /etc/resolv.conf make sure you have correct dns servers Jan 14 00:28:32 route <-- then check for correct default gw Jan 14 00:28:49 correct default gw? Jan 14 00:28:53 yes Jan 14 00:29:14 what is gw? Jan 14 00:29:34 can't seem to ping out Jan 14 00:29:56 also... no ip address? Jan 14 00:30:03 No good! Jan 14 00:31:30 I guess my wifi card is just finicky Jan 14 00:36:38 I'm off for a bit Jan 14 01:02:27 do any of the Z have SDIO? Jan 14 01:04:43 No Jan 14 01:11:26 Could somebody explain to me how to use a USB ethernet device? Jan 14 01:11:48 I have the correct driver, but I don't get an interface; no eth0, eth1, etc. Jan 14 01:13:51 * pixelized slaps his own face Jan 14 01:13:57 fixed my issue Jan 14 01:14:01 gawd that was stupid Jan 14 01:14:52 i had forgotten that usb0's default ip in here is 192.168.0.202....thus why wpa supp was working and connecting and i couldn't ping since route didn't know which card to use Jan 14 01:14:54 mff Jan 14 01:15:07 Capn_Fish: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pxammc&sektion=4&arch=zaurus ? Jan 14 01:17:24 I don't know Jan 14 01:17:35 Maybe something has developed I was unaware of. Jan 14 01:17:52 My impression has been that the SDIO stack is proprietary, so there are no drivers Jan 14 01:18:10 And the open-source attempts are flaky, but feel free to try it Jan 14 01:18:36 Capn_Fish: so you should have no issues with wpa Jan 14 01:18:46 Me? Jan 14 01:18:52 Why would I have WPA issues? Jan 14 01:18:56 i told you before i though i had an issue with wpa Jan 14 01:19:12 ya Jan 14 01:19:12 and you said you didn't feel like trying it after lol Jan 14 01:19:24 well i started thinking if wpa says it's associated it's something else Jan 14 01:19:26 right! Jan 14 01:19:33 then it clicked Jan 14 01:19:35 Good to hear that Jan 14 01:19:37 usb0 rndis driver Jan 14 01:19:41 using 192.168.0.202 Jan 14 01:19:50 same range as the ip i put on wifi Jan 14 01:19:53 I know. If usb0 is up, NOTHIN works Jan 14 01:20:01 Oh, that's even worse! Jan 14 01:20:03 so route didn't know which card to use lol Jan 14 01:20:11 i never checked route Jan 14 01:20:19 cause i always added it by hand Jan 14 01:20:24 route add default gw 192.168.0.10 lol Jan 14 01:20:35 and ifconfig wouldn't display usb0 since it was considered down Jan 14 01:22:00 shameful Jan 14 01:22:06 ya Jan 14 01:22:06 i didn't even check it before Jan 14 01:22:37 guess i'll go cry in a corner now lol Jan 14 01:22:46 Have fun ;) Jan 14 01:22:58 lol Jan 14 01:24:45 Which package allows you to set if you're using USB host or client? Jan 14 01:25:00 wish i knew Jan 14 01:25:03 I can't get my USB ethernet adapter to work, and I think that may be the culprit Jan 14 01:25:07 supposedly by the connecter type Jan 14 01:25:09 you put in Jan 14 01:25:12 it detects host or client Jan 14 01:25:48 That accounts for my mouse "working" Jan 14 01:25:58 but why don't I get a new network interface? Jan 14 01:27:20 usb mini a puts host Jan 14 01:27:41 and usb mini b = client Jan 14 01:27:44 if i remembre correctly Jan 14 01:27:55 http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/index.html Jan 14 01:27:59 search up usb a Jan 14 01:28:04 dunno if it still applies to angstrom Jan 14 01:29:03 shouldn't be either... Jan 14 01:29:15 Capn_Fish: what module do you have loaded? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 14 02:59:56 2008