**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 14 02:59:56 2008 Jan 14 06:06:51 does anyone know of a way to sync thunderbird address book in OS X with Angstrom? Jan 14 06:07:29 summatusmentis: you mean sync with GPE? Jan 14 06:09:25 yeah Jan 14 06:09:42 but specifically, thunderbird -> GPE Jan 14 06:10:45 have a look at opensync Jan 14 06:10:57 I can't recall if there is a thunderbird plugin yet or not Jan 14 06:11:11 there was some talk of one a few months ago Jan 14 06:11:25 it definitely supports GPE at least Jan 14 06:11:34 any idea if it supports OS X? Jan 14 06:11:55 ah right I missed that part... possibly, no idea Jan 14 06:12:49 ok... hmm Jan 14 08:10:34 hi.. I have questions acording ipaq h3900 and angstrom.. Can I boot Angstrom using old two phase bootloader? Jan 14 09:43:36 hi hrw... how you do? Jan 14 09:51:37 yes Jan 14 09:54:43 yes? mean good :) Jan 14 09:54:53 ops Jan 14 09:54:55 I am fine Jan 14 09:55:08 waiting for my daugther to born Jan 14 09:55:13 ups Jan 14 09:55:28 heh.. much work ahead :) Jan 14 10:28:20 hrw: when is she due? Jan 14 10:28:41 bitbake daughter, ETA approx 6 hours :-) Jan 14 10:29:40 rwhitby: 11.02 Jan 14 10:29:54 11 Feb I mean Jan 14 10:30:28 hrw: congrats - hope everything goes well for your partner and yourself. Jan 14 10:30:52 thx Jan 14 14:05:14 gah.. my angstrom image not boot on ipaq H3900 Jan 14 14:07:47 stops on booting kernel Jan 14 14:08:34 'starting init' and hang? Jan 14 14:08:52 even not that Jan 14 14:09:07 Uncompressing... done, booting the Kernel. Jan 14 14:09:10 and new line Jan 14 14:09:12 that's it Jan 14 14:09:33 I would enable printascii and retry Jan 14 14:09:50 sry printascii not know Jan 14 14:10:01 some link? Jan 14 14:11:10 I googled last time - there is a patch in openmoko kernels Jan 14 14:16:23 ok.. I got more Jan 14 14:16:48 Kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on uknown-block(0,0) Jan 14 14:17:02 much better Jan 14 14:17:38 known issue? Jan 14 14:17:51 no idea Jan 14 14:17:59 moment Jan 14 14:18:23 I found some topic like that Jan 14 14:18:35 what is root= option? Jan 14 14:20:21 root=/dev/mtdblock1 Jan 14 14:20:45 in that topic is said .. flashing is dangerous Jan 14 14:21:48 I am not using memory card... seems like I have to Jan 14 14:22:16 but I cannot access it from my bootloader.. or do not know how Jan 14 14:23:18 does it recognized flash chips? Jan 14 14:23:29 can you pastebin kernel log? Jan 14 14:23:59 hrw moment Jan 14 14:27:18 like this - http://www.pastebin.ca/854690 Jan 14 14:32:53 no flash driver at all in kernel.. Jan 14 14:35:29 so only loobpack mount work? Jan 14 14:35:47 or even that not Jan 14 14:37:28 what I think if sd card driver is on place then it should boot from card image as in manual Jan 14 14:43:49 there is some manual for Ipaq H2200 is this supposed to work for H3900 too? Jan 14 14:43:57 mean booting Jan 14 16:55:34 hi Jan 14 16:55:52 hi Jan 14 16:57:29 have somebody tested 2007.12 image on akita ? Jan 14 16:58:46 mimecar!!! http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15093 <-- you can get internal wifi/bt on the C1000 w/ some hardware hacking Jan 14 16:59:14 first, i would like login Jan 14 16:59:23 lol :-D Jan 14 17:01:36 can I boot up on console mode with some keys ? Jan 14 17:07:43 summatusmentis: are you working with collie? Jan 14 17:09:38 mimecar: kinda... I had a hard drive fail recently, and I haven't gotten OE back up Jan 14 17:09:48 ups Jan 14 17:09:55 that's a pity Jan 14 17:12:45 yeah, it's rough, and I don't have a net connection to reinstall linux, so it'll be a couple weeks Jan 14 17:18:02 Ah - angstrom boot doesn't pass mtdparts cmdline option Jan 14 17:18:07 is this changable? Jan 14 17:18:17 so what bootloader I have to use for Angstrom with Ipaq h3900? Jan 14 17:28:32 JoshMalone: on zdr7205? Jan 14 17:35:15 zdr7205? Jan 14 17:37:12 yes Jan 14 17:37:33 JoshMalone: you do not use zdr7205?? Jan 14 17:37:45 dunno what that is - sorry (noob) Jan 14 17:38:40 JoshMalone: so we also do not have idea how to help you Jan 14 17:39:40 hrw: one last question... Jan 14 17:39:46 hrw: ....Unfortunately the pdaxrom u-boot setup does not send to kernel the onboard nand flash layout Jan 14 17:39:56 hrw: true? Jan 14 17:40:20 what is zdr7205? I'm running angstrom 2007.12 on a C3100. Just wondering what controls the kernel command line Jan 14 17:40:25 ant|work: no - kernel ignore such layout Jan 14 17:40:38 JoshMalone: it is built-in into kernel on all zaurus models Jan 14 17:40:49 Ah - okay thank you Jan 14 17:40:59 JoshMalone: small hint for future: if you have problem start with device nodel Jan 14 17:41:03 model Jan 14 17:41:21 JoshMalone: otherwise we will guess that you have xdr7205 or fsdo29x Jan 14 17:41:47 Oh - those are machines. Okay. :) Jan 14 17:41:57 (sorry - still getting to know this channel) Jan 14 17:43:35 hvontres|work: ping Jan 14 17:43:41 ant|work: pong Jan 14 17:43:54 hvontres: I just don't get the ATAG thing Jan 14 17:44:11 hvontres: how can it be helpful with u-boot? Jan 14 17:44:18 hvontres: whether... Jan 14 17:44:47 ant|work: no idea, I have never played with U-boot.. Jan 14 17:45:14 hvontres: actually is hardcoded by compiling time Jan 14 17:45:15 I have only been using it with kexec and a standard kernel Jan 14 17:45:22 hvontres|work: Angstrom kernels are not so usable with u-boot Jan 14 17:45:22 hvontres: I see... Jan 14 17:45:35 hvontres: and you could read the mtd infos Jan 14 17:45:41 hvontres: ? Jan 14 17:46:04 hvontres: I mean the partitioning Jan 14 17:46:22 ant|work: well, I only have experience with poodle and standard partitioning Jan 14 17:46:28 hvontres: ok Jan 14 17:47:41 hvontres: question: are these the "partisioning info" shown in dmesg? Jan 14 17:48:04 ant|work: and the space in poodle is too small to even bother :) My effort has been on getting root on SD working better Jan 14 17:48:19 ant|work: yes, they show up in dmesg Jan 14 17:49:03 hvontres: from the hardcoded commandline in kernel...static Jan 14 17:50:10 hvontres: thank you Jan 14 17:50:18 hvontres: going to hack.... Jan 14 18:06:02 problems with the web site? or is it my ISP? Jan 14 18:06:32 JoshMalone: i've problems also Jan 14 18:16:28 When i close/open the screen of my C760 all the mixer settings get reset!! Is this intentional? Its most annoying! The defaults seem quite absurd! ie Master set to full, but the hifi output switch is off, the jack setting is off and the speaker which sounds awful is on, tho doesn't make any sound due to the hifi output setting being off Jan 14 18:17:28 dan2003: have you update your c760? Jan 14 18:18:05 As of a few days agom problem is i can't now as i've manged to fill up my /root partition :( Jan 14 18:18:27 trying to suss out wahts not important to remove and free some space Jan 14 18:18:49 how many free space have you? Jan 14 18:19:24 /dev/mtdblock2 54272 53704 568 99% / Jan 14 18:19:39 does your c760 suspend when you close the screen? Jan 14 18:19:46 no Jan 14 18:19:55 odd Jan 14 18:20:08 i thought at first it did but it just puts the screen out, any button revives it and the wifi card stays enabled Jan 14 18:21:41 is it possible to get ipkg to remove a package and all its dependances, or just to remove all non required dependances? i'm not very familiar with it, being used to emerge on gentoo instead Jan 14 18:22:07 i think you can do it Jan 14 18:27:12 I was trying to change the organisation of mtd "partition" sizes to give / more space, but it seems from what i read the other day this isn't supported yet in kernel 2.6 Jan 14 18:34:21 can anybody access http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ atm? seems to be struggling! Jan 14 18:35:16 it's failing hardcore Jan 14 18:35:24 it's been down for a couple of days Jan 14 18:36:16 oh dear :( Jan 14 18:36:38 yeah, not sure how long, or why Jan 14 18:36:49 summatusmentis: I've donwload files 1 hour ago Jan 14 18:37:04 for some reason the feeds are still up Jan 14 18:37:24 i couldnt get the package list for update Jan 14 18:37:42 feed is not available currently Jan 14 18:40:29 it was last night, although the site wasn't Jan 14 18:42:55 is it just me or is angstroms site either really slow or down again? Jan 14 18:43:02 lol Jan 14 18:43:21 down Jan 14 18:43:24 eek, sorry! but yes it is, and u just missed the same duscussion by 2 mins Jan 14 18:43:34 at least, afaik Jan 14 18:44:33 hmm, how much traffic does it get? does anybody know? I may be able to provide a mirror provded its not to hectic, have a server in Telecoms house in London England with 2MegByte/S up and down Jan 14 18:45:03 its idle 99.9% of the time Jan 14 18:45:59 CoreDump|Zzzz: with your nick constantly containing Zzzz's i'm gonna start thinking u sleep all the time =P Jan 14 18:47:47 dan2003: I have no idea as to how much traffic it gets Jan 14 19:04:24 <_law_> hi all, any ideas when linuxtogo will be up? Jan 14 19:07:45 broonie: ping Jan 14 19:09:06 broonie: mkimage worked on first try and the kernel boots| Jan 14 19:11:59 cool Jan 14 19:12:01 _law_: IIRC, koen said they were going to reboot it a 18:00 CET, so about 2 hrs ago.... Jan 14 19:19:54 hmmm, they need to work on boot time :) Jan 14 19:21:01 <_law_> :-) Jan 14 19:21:35 <_law_> looks a litte bit better new.... Jan 14 19:23:48 _law_: heh... well at least the webserver can now tell you it's down for maintainance :() Jan 14 19:55:59 web site back but feeds seem to be missing Jan 14 20:17:04 anyone using Zaurus sl-c860 or similar? Jan 14 20:17:30 3200... not real similar Jan 14 20:19:09 c3100 here Jan 14 20:19:59 scoutme: I am Jan 14 20:20:52 tobb: great! can you share your experience with me? I installed angstrom but it feels a bit sluggish Jan 14 20:21:19 any hint to make it faster? Jan 14 20:22:20 scoutme: I've built console-image where I've patched the kernel to include one more speedstepping, 471mhz Jan 14 20:23:29 scoutme: other than that I don't know, if it's gpe you find sluggish then I can't help you Jan 14 20:23:36 run console apps :) Jan 14 20:23:48 I use pine for email, finch for aim Jan 14 20:23:49 JoshMalone: you're running GPE? Jan 14 20:24:06 I have both GPE and OPIE installed - kinda switching btwn them right now Jan 14 20:24:14 mm Jan 14 20:24:19 but no web browser on OPIE so that kinda kills it for me Jan 14 20:24:49 what web browser on GPE are you using? Jan 14 20:25:01 * summatusmentis was thinking about tryin e17 Jan 14 20:25:13 I have openmoko browser and gpe-mini-browser installed Jan 14 20:25:20 they both suck Jan 14 20:25:44 currently using minimo, slow Jan 14 20:25:45 I'm using e17, hellofalot faster than gpe imo Jan 14 20:26:00 the fact is that I was used to pdaXrom. Now pdaX is obsolete, but I cannot manage to achieve the same responsiveness I had with it :( Jan 14 20:26:35 midori is nice, actually - I have that 2 Jan 14 20:26:35 I think it's something about the video driver, I don't know Jan 14 20:26:48 but no launcher in gpe... not sure how to fix that yet either Jan 14 20:28:08 tobb: you like it? works well? Jan 14 20:28:28 is e17 in angstrom? Jan 14 20:28:44 packages might be there, I don't know Jan 14 20:28:47 it's not supported Jan 14 20:28:54 it needs quite a bit of clean-up, irrc Jan 14 20:28:55 iirc* Jan 14 20:30:08 oh - and can't add bookmarks in midori... :( Jan 14 20:30:19 manage and add are grey'ed out in the menu Jan 14 20:31:15 tobb: did you ever try pdaX? Jan 14 20:31:49 JoshMalone: midori is a browser? Jan 14 20:32:27 summatusmentis: yeah, it's WebKit-based I believe Jan 14 20:33:18 aye - webkit Jan 14 20:33:39 nice and fast (comparatively) but I have to edit the bookmarks file by hand for some reason :( Jan 14 20:40:43 scoutme: yea long time ago Jan 14 20:41:03 summatusmentis: I think it works fairly well Jan 14 20:42:18 http://www.statusq.org/archives/2008/01/10/1732/ Jan 14 20:42:27 wnoder what the chances are you could use that with a zaurus ;) Jan 14 20:42:58 oh, not really worried about bookmarks Jan 14 20:44:59 Sketch: very poor considering the USB bandwidth available on a PXA270 Jan 14 20:45:48 JoshMalone: yeah, that's what i suspect as well Jan 14 20:46:09 also in my experience, usb is pretty cpu intensive, which isn't going to help either Jan 14 20:46:28 (which may be the reason for the usb bandwidth?) Jan 14 20:47:40 it's partly the bus connection of the PXA270, partly the host driver CPU requirement Jan 14 20:48:15 getting data in and out of a PXA is a pretty slow affair usually (IIRC - been a long time since I did any serious ARM work) Jan 14 20:48:46 ah Jan 14 20:48:56 tobb: did you get to obtain the same speed in angstrom that you had in pdaxrom? Jan 14 20:52:25 scoutme: don't know really, was years ago I ran pdaxrom Jan 14 20:53:11 have any of you tried debian on a zaurus Jan 14 20:53:13 ? Jan 14 20:53:36 ok Jan 14 20:54:15 not me - but I used to run debian on a commercial arm sbc Jan 14 20:54:31 tobb: and are you an experienced angstrom user? I mean, I'd like to tweak angstrom to make it faster on 860 Jan 14 20:55:21 tobb: did you ever try to switch video diver? Jan 14 20:56:36 scoutme: first of the xserver you get with angstrom does not support three buttons on c7x0, you need the xserver-kdrive 1.1.0 version Jan 14 20:57:27 tobb: I actually use the kdriver version, and it's kinda slow Jan 14 20:58:19 scoutme: all of them are kdrive, it's the new tinyx Jan 14 21:00:02 tobb: so: have you got some hint on how to get a perfect (almost) setup on 860? Jan 14 21:00:44 it all depends on what you gonna use it for Jan 14 21:00:48 tobb: it looks like you made something different from regular procedure, didn't you? Jan 14 21:01:02 I want a fast X environment Jan 14 21:01:21 tobb: (fast as possible...) Jan 14 21:02:26 Back with more questions Jan 14 21:02:59 After I make/update a .bb file, where do I upload it? I assume I'm supposed to do that? Jan 14 21:03:34 Also, what do I "include" when there is just a makefile and no autotools/qmake involvement? Jan 14 21:05:03 Capn_Fish: you need commit access Jan 14 21:05:23 Which is hard to come by? Jan 14 21:05:36 That means SVN/CVS doesn't it? Jan 14 21:05:43 scoutme: I've built my own image yes, and I use e17 when I'm in X Jan 14 21:05:44 I think they generally look for a decent track recorod before giving you access Jan 14 21:06:08 tobb: can I ask you to share your images with me? I'll be glad to try them Jan 14 21:06:24 I have a good record at OESF, does that count? ~1.6k posts, lots of builds, etc. Jan 14 21:06:54 scoutme: What Zaurus are you using? Jan 14 21:07:22 Capn_Fish: I'd doubt it... I think standard protocol is submitting a bug report, you should ask in #oe though Jan 14 21:07:24 scoutme: sure, going to upload an image I built yesterday in a sec http://347.shit.la/stuff/?page_id=7 Jan 14 21:07:38 k Jan 14 21:07:40 you don't necessarily need to commit it, it could just be a local thing Jan 14 21:07:45 I know Jan 14 21:08:06 But no sense having a ton of updated/new bb files and not sharing them Jan 14 21:08:15 that's the spirit of F/OSS Jan 14 21:08:19 agreed Jan 14 21:13:22 Capn_Fish: Post em on bugs.openembedded.org. If you submit enough good ones, they'll give you commit access :) Jan 14 21:13:32 I am doing that now Jan 14 21:13:36 Thanks. Jan 14 21:13:56 Capn_Fish: mtn diff is the preferred subission BTW Jan 14 21:14:32 hvontres|work: I've been wondering how to create a diff Jan 14 21:14:39 I didn't want to ask because then I'd look stupid Jan 14 21:15:35 :-) not that I could create anything that'd warrant creating a diff, but I was curious Jan 14 21:15:35 summatusmentis: for updatede file: mtn diff > Jan 14 21:15:52 good to know Jan 14 21:16:02 I'll remember that when I become useful Jan 14 21:16:03 for a new file, first do a mtn add to add it to the local db Jan 14 21:16:28 * hvontres|work has reached his limit of mtn l33tness now Jan 14 21:17:56 Ah, that accounts for some of my issues earlier. Good to know Jan 14 21:22:31 thanks hvontres|work I hope to start being useful soonish Jan 14 21:23:59 hvontre: have you one min? Jan 14 21:25:26 hvontres|work: ping Jan 14 21:27:09 RP: ping Jan 14 21:27:19 * ant is looking for an ATAG expert.... Jan 14 21:29:23 It may be a tad slow but minomo with a revised user agent id (Firefox) allows me to do my online banking from my Z which is just schweet! Jan 14 21:32:13 once the feeds come back up I'm gonna try midori Jan 14 21:39:50 ATAG? Jan 14 21:39:53 u mean JTAG? Jan 14 21:40:13 ant_: ?? Jan 14 21:40:48 or authoring tool accessibility guidelines? Jan 14 21:41:33 hi pixelized, no, I mean ATAG parameters Jan 14 21:41:43 so authoring tools Jan 14 21:42:14 actually boot params passed to the kernel Jan 14 21:42:33 i thought maybe u scrapped a pda and needed to jtag it to flash firmware back on lol Jan 14 21:42:39 he he Jan 14 21:42:54 already done with cheap router... Jan 14 21:43:19 hehe u bricked it then jtaged it back to life? Jan 14 21:43:19 do you know HairyDauryMaid tool? Jan 14 21:43:44 Jtag autobuilt with cheap parallel Jan 14 21:43:54 buffered or unbuffered? Jan 14 21:44:05 and finally found a xylinx with buffer Jan 14 21:44:15 ah i have cheap home made ones Jan 14 21:44:18 buffered and unbuffered Jan 14 21:44:23 but her eat work we have a nice one Jan 14 21:44:48 err..the router eventually died... Jan 14 21:44:51 jt 2148 quad pod Jan 14 21:45:06 my poor soldering skills... Jan 14 21:45:12 ant_: dlink?? or linksys (dlink first cause they die quickly lol) Jan 14 21:45:15 ahh Jan 14 21:45:28 dg834gt Jan 14 21:45:36 BCM6834 Jan 14 21:45:47 or similar...in trash now Jan 14 21:45:48 ahh Jan 14 21:45:53 soldering skills eventualy go up Jan 14 21:45:56 but depends on your tools Jan 14 21:46:17 I'm too old and my fingers tremble (damn alcool) Jan 14 21:46:21 he he Jan 14 21:46:22 http://www.vegettech.com/test/pace.html <-- my soldering station Jan 14 21:47:08 nice tool! Jan 14 21:47:15 i love the sx-80 for desoldering Jan 14 21:47:19 the unit was in bad shape Jan 14 21:47:27 but works like a charm now and the faceplate is nice Jan 14 21:48:27 http://tinyurl.com/25euks some atag stuff Jan 14 21:48:49 *just wondering if Pixelized could upgrade *all* our Zaurii to 128MB.... Jan 14 21:49:04 piggy backing! Jan 14 21:49:11 wouldn't use the pace station for that Jan 14 21:49:16 i'd use my hot air blowing station Jan 14 21:50:09 Pixelized: http://www.pastebin.org/15395 Jan 14 21:50:32 I guess "Ignoring unrecognised tag 0x00000000" means ATAG Jan 14 21:50:41 mind u i could turn my pace into a hot air station but the tool was too expensive Jan 14 21:51:42 hum the first flash offset 006dc000 not found error is nice Jan 14 21:51:56 Pixelized: you seem to know hardware... Jan 14 21:52:04 yeah more into hardware then software Jan 14 21:52:08 Pixelized: are NAND defect so coommon? Jan 14 21:52:12 but i've done some bash and some crapy vb Jan 14 21:52:24 ant_: actualy depends which mfg Jan 14 21:53:22 and depends what the flash support Jan 14 21:53:27 full erase or sector by sector erase Jan 14 21:53:46 using nandlogical Jan 14 21:53:59 using to flash in /mtd1 Jan 14 21:54:24 also keep this in mind Jan 14 21:54:50 different flashes have different starting offsets Jan 14 21:55:05 http://www.vegettech.com/test/orasat.html Jan 14 21:55:12 if u load my pdf and go near the ned Jan 14 21:55:13 end Jan 14 21:55:56 because the boot block can be reversed Jan 14 21:57:08 page 14 if u want to see a picture of manufacturer specs on that flash in the system Jan 14 21:57:21 Pixelized: I read a lot of this (almost greek for me) when patching HairyDairyMaid util Jan 14 21:57:29 hehehe Jan 14 21:57:32 i'd help u further Jan 14 21:57:37 but i have to close the lab i'm going home! Jan 14 21:57:39 cia Jan 14 21:57:47 Pixelized: bye Jan 14 22:01:56 todd: just another hint: I saw your console image - but since I have not connection at the moment for may zaurus, I need to download manually other packages. Is your feed enough to get e17? Or I need the angstrom feed, too? Jan 14 22:03:42 scoutme: hmm I'm not sure Jan 14 22:04:16 tobb: that could be a problem :( Jan 14 22:04:48 also your feed is not html browsable, so I won't be able to download manually packages Jan 14 22:08:44 scoutme: yea, it is made for ipkg to resolve deps and stuff, not for manually download all the packages Jan 14 22:09:49 tobb: yes, it looks I'll have to buy a new router.. s**t :( Jan 14 22:10:00 scoutme: but you know what, I'll tarball my whole ipk/ dir and put it up too Jan 14 22:13:17 scoutme: 263mb to download, is it okay for you? Jan 14 22:13:59 actually yes Jan 14 22:14:18 tobb: it would be great, indeed Jan 14 22:14:46 I'll be able to put the whole feed on my CF Jan 14 22:15:01 scoutme: reload the page, it's at the bottom Jan 14 22:15:41 thanks ;) Jan 14 22:30:30 talk to you guys later Jan 14 22:53:05 Does Angstrom's Firefox support a Gnash flash plugin? Jan 14 22:53:35 Or any other flash plugin (for armv5te), for that matter. Jan 14 22:53:40 Angstroms Firefox doesn't support anything but segfaulting Jan 14 22:54:01 I see Jan 14 22:54:14 How about Minimo? Jan 14 22:54:23 I don't know about plugins in minimo Jan 14 22:54:43 What Firefox have you tried? Jan 14 22:55:46 whatever firefox was in the feeds, 2.0 Jan 14 22:56:00 iirc 1.0.7 was the last working version Jan 14 22:56:08 Hmm. Jan 14 23:00:00 todd: can you post me your ipkg confs? Jan 14 23:01:32 Sorry picking up on a topic form a few mins ago, nad flash. I've seen a few commtnts in uprading the nand capaicty, I assume the diagnostics thing (power with D+M) is in the arm rom? and not the flash? Jan 14 23:01:53 that's correct Jan 14 23:01:57 it's in the NAND Jan 14 23:02:17 And if so is it not possible to go for devices larger than 128? are the address lines not there? or does the PXA itself not support more? Jan 14 23:02:37 huh? Jan 14 23:02:45 oh the PXA have there own NAND also? Jan 14 23:04:27 well ive seen comments of there being two 128meg type chips hardcoded into something, thought that was the sharp boot loader, so is there any other restriction (maybe not enough address lines) preventing using of larger flash chips with alternative boot loader? Jan 14 23:05:32 ie only 2 specifc chips can be used to upgrade certain models to 128mef or something, maybe they are additional 64meg chips, im not sure. But my Z is 128 already Jan 14 23:06:09 I was wondering if it would be possible to find a pin compatible 512MB chip for example and use that instead Jan 14 23:06:39 personally, i'd rather have more ram than more flash Jan 14 23:06:47 Sketch: Definitely Jan 14 23:07:27 Capn_Fish: btw, my experience with minimo is that it is pretty good at segfaulting too Jan 14 23:07:47 Ya, it does an OK job at that Jan 14 23:07:47 i did manage to get it to load pages once or twice though Jan 14 23:07:58 What browser do you use, then? Jan 14 23:10:13 Ooo, i can;t say i used it loads but the bit i dod use it on my onlaine banking it worked wihout crashing, did you have swap space set up? maybe segged due to lack of memory? Jan 14 23:10:36 minimo that is Jan 14 23:11:39 I run with swap and haven't had too many issues. A segfault here and there, nothing major Jan 14 23:11:55 scoutme: I have this in /etc/ipkg/armv5te-feed.conf: src/gz armv5te http://347.shit.la/ang/feed/armv5te Jan 14 23:12:48 Sketch: What browser do you recommend, in that case? Jan 14 23:21:02 any1 here had a go at getting andriod running on Z ? Jan 14 23:22:13 Nope. I hear there are images available, though Jan 14 23:22:58 dont know that it can do anything useful yet Jan 14 23:32:21 Capn_Fish: not sure, i haven't really played with them much yet Jan 14 23:33:49 K. I figured since you were adamant that Minimo and Firefox were lousy, you would have an opinion Jan 14 23:37:43 not yet, my install is semi borked and i haven't gotten around o a reinstall Jan 14 23:39:59 ant_: pong Jan 14 23:43:03 RP: re-ping Jan 14 23:44:38 ant_: pong... Jan 14 23:44:44 RP: hi Jan 14 23:44:57 RP: pls look at the first lines of this kernel boot Jan 14 23:45:02 RP: http://www.pastebin.org/15395 Jan 14 23:45:28 RP: "Ignoring unrecognised tag 0x00000000" ? Jan 14 23:46:11 RP: I guess the precompiled u-boot env is broken... Jan 14 23:46:30 ant_: Sounds like uboot is writing junk and pretending they're junk to the kernel Jan 14 23:46:51 ant_: "*** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment" sounds bad... Jan 14 23:46:54 RP: are the (in)famous ATAGs? Jan 14 23:47:10 Yes, the imfamous ATAGS Jan 14 23:47:16 he he Jan 14 23:48:22 I'll have a look at the patched sources of u-boot Jan 14 23:48:40 And try to re-enable the boot-delay Jan 14 23:49:21 but I fear kernel and u-boot are speaking two diff languages... Jan 14 23:49:44 http://pdaxrom.org/?q=node/89 Jan 14 23:49:54 this should be a sane layout Jan 14 23:54:11 ant_: IIRC pdaxrom is still on 2.4 kernels.... Jan 14 23:54:17 Nope Jan 14 23:54:25 The latest releases use 2.6.16 Jan 14 23:54:38 The ones that use u-boot all do Jan 14 23:55:15 actually I only use emergency-system from pdax (and the u-boot patches of course) Jan 14 23:55:50 Is there a reason for this? Angstrom doesn't need uBoot Jan 14 23:56:07