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Jan 25 05:50:09 <marlecule> Hey everyone
Jan 25 05:50:37 <johnx> hey
Jan 25 05:52:03 <marlecule> i'm looking for a nand restore for a pxa-255 poodle
Jan 25 05:52:17 <marlecule> and i'm also wondering what risks i would be taking by doing that?
Jan 25 05:54:05 <marlecule> ah brb
Jan 25 05:57:56 <marlecule> ok back!
Jan 25 05:58:08 <marlecule> so yeah.. anybody with a nand backup image of a pxa255?
Jan 25 10:45:36 <wvdschel> hmmm can I ask OZ questions here?
Jan 25 10:53:18 <hrw> yes
Jan 25 10:59:48 <ABC|dOC> hi all
Jan 25 11:01:46 <wvdschel> well, I've recently bought an SL-5500
Jan 25 11:01:57 <wvdschel> and Im trying to install OZ and have it boot from SD
Jan 25 11:02:21 <wvdschel> it works fine from rom, but the rom is completely filled up after flashing it
Jan 25 11:02:38 <wvdschel> but altboot doesn't seem to be able to install anything to SD?
Jan 25 11:02:49 <wvdschel> it keeps giving me "insmod failed'
Jan 25 11:03:02 <hrw> CoreDump: can you?
Jan 25 11:03:08 <wvdschel> I suppose it doesn't have SD support for the SL-5500
Jan 25 11:03:18 <hrw> oz has
Jan 25 11:03:39 <wvdschel> then how do I make it work?
Jan 25 11:03:49 <CoreDump> my collie has a broken mainboard, remember?
Jan 25 11:03:54 <wvdschel> or is there a way to get a decent angstrom image on there?
Jan 25 11:04:18 <XorA> CoreDump: there are cheap 5500 machines on ebay.co.uk at the moment
Jan 25 11:04:24 <NAbyss> wvdschel: Is it a >2gb SD card?
Jan 25 11:04:26 <hrw> CoreDump: collie? I was thinking that it was collie
Jan 25 11:04:55 <CoreDump> I will get myself a working one eventually
Jan 25 11:05:18 <wvdschel> nope, 256 mb
Jan 25 11:05:36 <NAbyss> Hm
Jan 25 11:05:40 <wvdschel> is it normal for collies to have such dim backlit?
Jan 25 11:05:49 <CoreDump> the altboot config doesn't match collies "new" kernel 2.6 setup
Jan 25 11:05:50 <hrw> collie screen is shit
Jan 25 11:06:09 <hrw> wvdschel: how much you paid for sl-5500?
Jan 25 11:06:29 <wvdschel> $75 + shipping
Jan 25 11:06:31 <wvdschel> why?
Jan 25 11:06:38 <hrw> curios
Jan 25 11:06:56 <hrw> 75 usd is good price
Jan 25 11:06:59 <wvdschel> yeah
Jan 25 11:07:02 <wvdschel> thats why I bought it
Jan 25 11:07:08 <hrw> but I would hunt for ipaq h2210
Jan 25 11:07:09 <wvdschel> I wanted a C-something
Jan 25 11:07:14 <wvdschel> but they were all to expensive
Jan 25 11:07:18 <wvdschel> I need a keyboard though
Jan 25 11:07:23 <wvdschel> does an h2210 have one?
Jan 25 11:07:26 <hrw> no
Jan 25 11:07:40 <hrw> but have much better linux support then collie
Jan 25 11:09:28 <wvdschel> I bought this because it has linux out of the box and now theres better linux support for some not-officially supported device :P
Jan 25 11:09:52 <wvdschel> anyway, I'm only interested in keyboard-equipped devices :)
Jan 25 11:10:14 <wvdschel> and does anyone know how to get a decent linux going on the collie?
Jan 25 11:10:19 <wvdschel> i just want compilers and python etc
Jan 25 11:10:21 <wvdschel> :P
Jan 25 11:11:19 <hrw> on collie?
Jan 25 11:11:23 <wvdschel> yeah
Jan 25 11:11:25 <hrw> hardcore ;)
Jan 25 11:11:30 <wvdschel> yeah :P
Jan 25 11:11:31 <CoreDump> indeed =)#
Jan 25 11:11:33 <wvdschel> I know :P
Jan 25 11:11:59 <wvdschel> but its not like i'll be compiling mozilla or qt :P
Jan 25 11:12:07 <wvdschel> just some apps I write myself
Jan 25 11:13:00 <wvdschel> hmmm on the opie system
Jan 25 11:13:07 <wvdschel> suspend just locks the device up
Jan 25 11:13:15 <wvdschel> _NOT_ funny
Jan 25 11:15:03 <rob_w> where is a nice angstrom logo ?
Jan 25 11:15:36 <wvdschel> I loved the OZ logo
Jan 25 11:18:31 <wvdschel> has anyone got a functional collie system?
Jan 25 11:19:49 <hrw> wvdschel: my collie was powered last time ~half year ago
Jan 25 11:19:55 <hrw> for 10-30 minutes
Jan 25 11:20:03 <wvdschel> :P
Jan 25 11:20:08 <wvdschel> poor thing
Jan 25 11:20:16 <wvdschel> was it functional? :P
Jan 25 11:20:30 * XorA has an almost band new collie
Jan 25 11:20:37 <wvdschel> oh
Jan 25 11:20:41 <wvdschel> XorA
Jan 25 11:21:06 <hrw> XorA: mine is a bit dusted
Jan 25 11:21:14 <hrw> but I have original box with all elements
Jan 25 11:21:48 * XorA sold his original collie for 70GBP which was well worn, bought a year later a boxed collie for 20GBP
Jan 25 11:22:10 <XorA> needed a collie to work out that mplayer wierdness on collie
Jan 25 11:22:28 <wvdschel> how did you get that collie so cheap?
Jan 25 11:23:00 <XorA> was someone from the local LUG who knew of openzaurus and knew I was a developer who needed access to collie
Jan 25 11:23:25 <hrw> I can give collie for free ;D
Jan 25 11:24:08 <XorA> now I need to sell me 3200
Jan 25 11:24:18 <hrw> when expansys will send me package I will probably get rid of collie and tosa
Jan 25 11:24:33 <XorA> hrw: non existant tablet?
Jan 25 11:24:35 <hrw> and c760 will gather dust
Jan 25 11:24:47 <hrw> XorA: non existant Finnish tablet
Jan 25 11:24:57 <hrw> made by some Finnish company
Jan 25 11:25:11 <XorA> hrw: sell the 760
Jan 25 11:25:30 <wvdschel> erm hrw, you bought an n810?
Jan 25 11:25:39 <wvdschel> i considered getting one
Jan 25 11:25:42 <wvdschel> but to expensive
Jan 25 11:25:48 <hrw> wvdschel: in progress - need to push expansys to confirm my order and send
Jan 25 11:26:16 <wvdschel> you thinking of selling the others then?
Jan 25 11:26:33 <wvdschel> which models do you have?
Jan 25 11:26:39 <hrw> wvdschel: inside of EU only
Jan 25 11:26:51 <hrw> sl-5500, c760 are mine
Jan 25 11:26:57 <hrw> sl-6000L is OE property
Jan 25 11:27:27 <XorA> OE seems to have collected unwanted 6000 machines
Jan 25 11:27:34 <NAbyss> wvdschel: My housemate bought a n810 today.. the keyboard's horrible
Jan 25 11:27:38 <NAbyss> Too small
Jan 25 11:27:41 <wvdschel> yeah so i heard
Jan 25 11:27:47 <XorA> NAbyss: yeah keyboard is a touch naff
Jan 25 11:27:57 <XorA> NAbyss: and SD slots are crap
Jan 25 11:28:03 <NAbyss> Other than that.. really nice screen
Jan 25 11:28:18 <XorA> GPS barely works
Jan 25 11:28:22 <XorA> but the rest is cool
Jan 25 11:29:28 <XorA> and OE is building binaries for it :-)
Jan 25 11:29:38 <hrw> NAbyss: and it is cheapest armv6 machine 
Jan 25 11:29:41 <NAbyss> XorA: Yeah, I've already pointed him towards OE :)
Jan 25 11:29:57 <NAbyss> hrw: Hm, interesting :)
Jan 25 11:30:39 <hrw> NAbyss: thats the main reason for me to buy it
Jan 25 11:30:47 <hrw> I am known to dislike nokia
Jan 25 11:32:24 <wvdschel> any suggestions as to getting a collie to do something useful?
Jan 25 11:33:02 <hrw> use hentges 'rom'
Jan 25 11:33:06 <XorA> cacko/crow rom :-D
Jan 25 11:33:14 <hrw> its OZ 3.5.4.x on steroids
Jan 25 11:37:08 <wvdschel> ah alright
Jan 25 11:37:17 <wvdschel> whats up with cacko/crow?
Jan 25 11:38:41 * XorA is being an OZ traitor
Jan 25 11:39:26 <wvdschel> cacko seems outdated and doesnt seem to have an organized community
Jan 25 11:39:37 <XorA> wvdschel: we are the community
Jan 25 11:39:55 <wvdschel> for cacko as well?
Jan 25 11:39:58 <wvdschel> and what is crow?
Jan 25 11:40:23 <wvdschel> and is hentges compatible with all OE packages?
Jan 25 11:40:28 <XorA> wvdschel: either us or pdaXrom seem to mop up all support requests these days :-)
Jan 25 11:42:43 <wvdschel> hmmm so cacko isn't alive, great
Jan 25 11:43:04 <XorA> hentges is your best option at the moment
Jan 25 11:43:51 <wvdschel> ill try that
Jan 25 11:44:01 <wvdschel> will Angstrom get decent support later on?
Jan 25 11:44:25 <XorA> wvdschel: thesing is working hard on making collie kernel work
Jan 25 11:44:49 <wvdschel> yay
Jan 25 11:44:56 <wvdschel> i like him :P
Jan 25 11:44:59 <wvdschel> gtg, lunch
Jan 25 11:47:52 <cofeineSunshine> hey
Jan 25 12:41:15 <Qantourisc> Would someone in here happen to know the target of a zaurus c-3200 ?
Jan 25 12:41:45 <Qantourisc> something like i686-linux- ...
Jan 25 12:49:24 <hrw> arm
Jan 25 12:49:34 <hrw> arm-poky-gnueabi-linux for my builds
Jan 25 12:51:26 <Qantourisc> poky?
Jan 25 12:51:30 <Qantourisc> gnuabi ?
Jan 25 12:51:35 <Qantourisc> what are those plz
Jan 25 12:52:16 <Qantourisc> a poky is an os
Jan 25 12:54:45 <hrw> arm-angstrom-gnueabi-linux for angstrom builds
Jan 25 12:56:21 <Qantourisc> hrw: gnueabi vs      uclibc ?
Jan 25 12:56:47 <hrw> no
Jan 25 12:56:56 <hrw> ARCH-VENDOR-ABI-LIBC
Jan 25 12:57:01 <Qantourisc> no i mean ... what one should one take :)
Jan 25 12:57:05 <hrw> do arm-angstrom-gnueabi-linux
Jan 25 12:57:15 <hrw> if you use angstrom toolchain
Jan 25 12:57:19 <Qantourisc> don't ferget softfloat for some cpu's
Jan 25 12:57:19 <hrw> or just use OE :D
Jan 25 12:57:31 <hrw> eabi is softfloat
Jan 25 12:57:37 <Qantourisc> ow nice
Jan 25 12:58:30 <Qantourisc> still .... gnu avi vs uclibc ... any indication to pick between thos 2 ?
Jan 25 13:16:18 <ABC|dOC> hi there all
Jan 25 13:16:57 <ABC|dOC> i'm looking for some help on linux TV
Jan 25 13:25:19 <wvdschel> hmmm hentges isn't working for me
Jan 25 13:25:29 <wvdschel> the touchscreen isnt working
Jan 25 13:44:46 <wvdschel> is http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/collie/ useful?
Jan 25 13:45:10 <wvdschel> i mean, is it good for everyday use, minus a few features?
Jan 25 13:49:52 <wvdschel> collie is armv4te right?
Jan 25 14:13:54 <ABC|dOC> http://break.com/index/belly-dancer-hilarious-accident.html
Jan 25 14:15:30 <XorA> DOH!!!!
Jan 25 14:15:35 <hrw> wvdschel: armv4 not v4te
Jan 25 14:15:44 <ABC|dOC> ;)
Jan 25 14:17:45 <wvdschel> hrw: and I found an opie-image-...-.jffs2 file, is that an initrd.bin?
Jan 25 14:18:09 <hrw> it is
Jan 25 14:18:17 <wvdschel> hmmm only feeds i find are for v4t
Jan 25 14:18:21 <wvdschel> would that work?
Jan 25 14:18:57 <wvdschel> and the jffs2 file is 20MB, that wont fit in the rom I suppose? it says collie in its name, but is that possible?
Jan 25 14:29:27 <hrw> we had a problem to fit so it is too big
Jan 25 14:36:51 <wvdschel> ah so i cant use it to flash my collie :P
Jan 25 14:39:34 <hrw> yep
Jan 25 14:39:41 <hrw> collie is pita to maintain
Jan 25 14:41:01 <mellhen> hello@all
Jan 25 14:41:51 <hrw> hi
Jan 25 14:42:53 <mellhen> i use a hx4700 with angström. how can i use the openmoko gui instead if gpe?
Jan 25 14:45:01 <mellhen> i have access via ssh
Jan 25 14:49:03 <mellhen> i know that koen was succesfull running the angström gui on the hx4700 therefore i ask specialy him. But today he doesnt seem to be online.
Jan 25 14:49:36 <hrw> Koen stopped using irc. probably too much to do on studies
Jan 25 14:49:44 <mellhen> k
Jan 25 14:50:15 <mellhen> hrw: do you know anyone here using the hx4700?
Jan 25 14:50:35 <hrw> not from now present ones
Jan 25 14:50:44 <hrw> use mailing list?
Jan 25 14:51:34 <mellhen> no
Jan 25 14:51:44 <mellhen> i am a newbee ^^
Jan 25 14:54:19 <hrw> then use mailing list
Jan 25 14:56:18 <mellhen> hrw? i tried to send you a private message. Do you have recognized it? Maybe it is not working...
Jan 25 14:59:32 <hrw> sorry but I am a bit busy
Jan 25 15:00:05 <wvdschel> hrw: why not just install a minimal system to the rom and require people to use an SD/CF card
Jan 25 15:00:11 <mellhen> kk i let you do...
Jan 25 15:00:20 <hrw> wvdschel: s/rom/flash you mean?
Jan 25 15:00:25 <wvdschel> yeah
Jan 25 15:00:26 <wvdschel> sorry
Jan 25 15:00:37 <hrw> wvdschel: thats the option but nearly no one wants to work on collie
Jan 25 15:00:53 <wvdschel> as in kernel work or userland work?
Jan 25 15:01:08 <hrw> both
Jan 25 15:01:21 <hrw> most of developers have newer toys to play with
Jan 25 15:01:29 <wvdschel> hmmm
Jan 25 15:01:32 <wvdschel> spoiled kids :P
Jan 25 15:01:54 <wvdschel> btw, when hentges asks me where to install the cardfs, what do I tell it? /?
Jan 25 15:01:56 <hrw> I will send my collie to thesing (Thomas Kunze) who works on sd/mmc driver for it
Jan 25 15:02:06 <hrw> never used hentges
Jan 25 15:02:12 <wvdschel> ah ok
Jan 25 15:02:51 <wvdschel> once a 2.6 kernel is in place, the kernel wouldn't need much work for releases after that, right?
Jan 25 15:03:13 <wvdschel> just fixing breakage from time to time
Jan 25 15:03:45 <hrw> depends
Jan 25 15:03:58 <wvdschel> on what?
Jan 25 15:04:03 <hrw> Thomas now has to rewrite lot of code in sd driver as whole subsystem got lot of changes
Jan 25 15:04:12 <wvdschel> ah
Jan 25 15:04:50 <wvdschel> i should have bought a C-xxx(x) device
Jan 25 15:04:58 <hrw> yes
Jan 25 15:05:18 <wvdschel> but those are expensive :P
Jan 25 15:05:54 <wvdschel> are the older c-7xx and c-8xx devices still supported properly?
Jan 25 15:07:19 <hrw> yes
Jan 25 15:07:35 <hrw> they are best for video playing btw
Jan 25 15:08:09 <wvdschel> really? why are they better than the 4-digit ones?
Jan 25 15:08:26 <XorA> accellerated zoom
Jan 25 15:08:33 <XorA> and Xv support
Jan 25 15:08:57 <hrw> wvdschel: they have real gfx chip
Jan 25 15:09:11 <hrw> instead of using lcd controller from cpu
Jan 25 15:10:54 <wvdschel> ah I see
Jan 25 15:11:41 <wvdschel> and the sl-5600 or 6000?
Jan 25 15:11:44 <wvdschel> are they any good?
Jan 25 15:13:09 <hrw> 5600 is to be avoided at any cost
Jan 25 15:13:28 <hrw> 6000 is too huge to be usable. but have best screen from Z line
Jan 25 15:13:37 <wvdschel> hmmm
Jan 25 15:13:38 <hrw> XorA: can you compare tosa screen to n810 one?
Jan 25 15:13:53 <hrw> wvdschel: and 6000 is overpriced
Jan 25 15:14:07 <wvdschel> yeah i can see
Jan 25 15:18:38 <XorA> hrw: nope, barely turned tosa on
Jan 25 15:18:41 <hvontres|work> hrw: hey....just because my little poodle has no ram...
Jan 25 15:19:06 <wvdschel> :P
Jan 25 15:19:08 <XorA> hrw: but the n810 display is ligth adaptive, the brighter the room gets the brighter the screen gets
Jan 25 15:19:48 <hvontres|work> XorA: "Hey turn off the lights, you're draining my battery!"
Jan 25 15:19:54 <hrw> hvontres|work: it lack ram, it also has that crap called screen which collie had
Jan 25 15:20:27 <XorA> at least the ram can be fixed :-D
Jan 25 15:20:32 <Crofton> denial of service attack for N810 users, tuen on the lights
Jan 25 15:20:54 <hvontres|work> hrw: Ok.. but still better than no toy at all... With a large CF card it makes an OK "MyPod"
Jan 25 15:22:33 <hvontres|work> XorA: unfortunately I don't have access to BGA rework equipment nor would I have the skills
Jan 25 15:23:12 <XorA> a fat poodle pxa255 would be a fun device
Jan 25 15:23:45 * hvontres|work only has a skinny 250
Jan 25 15:24:31 <wvdschel> is there any way to use angstrom on collie atm?
Jan 25 21:07:40 <darmou> hi all
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