**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:57 2008
Feb 13 19:39:25 <max-_-> i put the alstrom console-image into the flash of my h3900 to install altboot afterwards. the image doesn't boot. i have to install a familiar and install altboot there, right?
Feb 13 19:39:50 <max-_-> *angstrom
Feb 13 22:21:21 <TC-Rucho> hello
Feb 13 22:22:01 <TC-Rucho> I'm having a problem with angstrom here. How the heck am I supposed to load kernel modules without having the modprobe command in the system?
Feb 13 22:23:19 <HRH_H_Crab> TC-Rucho: i do not know, but that sounds pretty painful to me.
Feb 13 22:23:27 <TC-Rucho> it fuckin is
Feb 13 22:23:28 <HRH_H_Crab> i would strongly consider re-flashing if you can.
Feb 13 22:23:43 <HRH_H_Crab> (maybe using a different image)
Feb 13 22:23:50 <TC-Rucho> and being the hx4700 such a good machine, why is the system using that crappy 'ip' command instead of ifconfig and alike?
Feb 13 22:24:10 <TC-Rucho> that's been annoying me for quite a long time
Feb 13 22:24:22 <HRH_H_Crab> no idea, my expertise (such as it is) is pretty much limited to spitz.
Feb 13 22:24:51 <TC-Rucho> spitz is another pocket distro?
Feb 13 22:24:58 <HRH_H_Crab> no, its a zaurus
Feb 13 22:25:17 <HRH_H_Crab> im running angstrom on it,
Feb 13 22:25:24 <TC-Rucho> ah
Feb 13 22:25:26 <HRH_H_Crab> but it has modprobe / ifconfig etc.
Feb 13 22:25:33 <TC-Rucho> yeah
Feb 13 22:26:29 <TC-Rucho> shit, I almost exploded of anger some minutes ago with this 'ip' shit and the lack of modprobe
Feb 13 22:26:39 <TC-Rucho> wanted to kill someone
Feb 13 22:26:41 <TC-Rucho> lol
Feb 13 22:30:04 <TC-Rucho> you know what, i'm tired of this shit, i'm gonna install Gentoo on my hx4700.
Feb 13 22:30:25 <TC-Rucho> seems that's the only way I will have a descent system on my iPAQ
Feb 13 22:32:08 <HRH_H_Crab> ouch
Feb 13 22:32:12 <HRH_H_Crab> im a huge lover of gentoo,
Feb 13 22:32:17 <HRH_H_Crab> but running it on a pda...
Feb 13 22:32:32 <HRH_H_Crab> sounds kind of painful.
Feb 13 22:32:41 <marlon__> angstrom is a very new system.  it just needs a bit more time
Feb 13 22:32:50 <marlon__> i think it will be one of the best handheld distros out there
Feb 13 22:33:50 <TC-Rucho> marlon__: not if it lacks something damn basic like 'modprobe' or descent net apps like 'ifconfig' and 'route'
Feb 13 22:34:29 <marlon__> i thought it had all those...
Feb 13 22:34:57 <HRH_H_Crab> TC-Rucho: it may be worth waiting around until someone who owns an ipaq shows up.
Feb 13 22:35:15 <HRH_H_Crab> i know that some people have been talking about them in here over the last few days.
Feb 13 22:35:39 <TC-Rucho> maybe i should update the image
Feb 13 22:35:39 <pH5> the strangest thing is, all angstrom images should include those. I'm sure I've never seen an x11-image or openmoko-image without them.
Feb 13 22:35:41 <pH5> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/hx4700/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080106-hx4700-testlab/files-in-image.txt
Feb 13 22:35:51 <pH5> lists all three of them, too.
Feb 13 22:36:09 <marlon__> i have used modprobe and ifconfig before
Feb 13 22:36:15 <marlon__> i have a poodle tho
Feb 13 22:36:27 <HRH_H_Crab> i can only assume either something strange happend during the install process,
Feb 13 22:36:48 <HRH_H_Crab> or maybe a glitchy autobuild image or something?
Feb 13 22:38:34 <TC-Rucho> hmm
Feb 13 22:38:44 <TC-Rucho> i will reinstall it then
Feb 13 22:38:56 <HRH_H_Crab> TC-Rucho: which image did you download?
Feb 13 22:38:58 <TC-Rucho> but i really hate it comes with that shitty 'ip' command
Feb 13 22:39:43 <TC-Rucho> HRH_H_Crab: I could tell you if I had found it in the remote dir I stored it in. I restored a hdd image there and i thing it got flushed
Feb 13 22:39:47 <TC-Rucho> hang on
Feb 13 22:39:57 <TC-Rucho> I'm looking for the file
Feb 13 22:41:12 <marlon__> has anyone used altboot lately? specifically on a poodle?
Feb 13 22:41:22 <HRH_H_Crab> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/releases/2007.12/images/hx4700/
Feb 13 22:41:41 <HRH_H_Crab> TC-Rucho: try something from there i guess.
Feb 13 22:42:20 <hvontres|work> marlon__: not the "stock" altboot... what problem are you having? I might be able to play with it tonight
Feb 13 22:43:35 <marlon__> using the latest autobuild version, installed the console altboot image, then tried to install the latest gpe image onto sd
Feb 13 22:43:48 <marlon__> seems to work ok... but freezes when trying to boot the sd image
Feb 13 22:46:01 <marlon__> sorry, i guess i should say it seems to install ok, but freezes when it gets to configuring ntpdate
Feb 13 22:47:37 <TC-Rucho> ok, seeems the modprobe command actually is there, but the path var is not pointing to /sbin
Feb 13 22:47:45 <TC-Rucho> wtf happened there?
Feb 13 22:47:52 <TC-Rucho> 0_o
Feb 13 22:48:09 <marlon__> lol
Feb 13 22:49:47 <TC-Rucho> wtf, there's no correctly set 'export' command
Feb 13 22:49:54 <TC-Rucho> this is pretty fuckin pissing
Feb 13 22:49:59 <TC-Rucho> grrrr
Feb 13 22:50:52 * TC-Rucho goes back to install Gentoo in the iPAQ
Feb 13 22:54:57 <hvontres|work> TC-Rucho: are you logged in as root ? if not, try su - instead of just su
Feb 13 22:55:04 <hvontres|work> marlon__: I'll have to test that wen I get home tonight
Feb 13 22:55:04 <marlon__> ok, thanks!
Feb 13 22:55:06 <marlon__> i tried it as a loopback and also as a direct install
Feb 13 22:55:19 <marlon__> loopback got further, direct install gave weird errors
Feb 13 22:55:24 <marlon__> but when i put the card in my laptop it looked like it created the proper directories and files on the card...
Feb 13 22:58:35 <TC-Rucho> hvontres|work: worked likek a charm
Feb 13 22:58:39 <TC-Rucho> :D
Feb 13 22:59:06 <TC-Rucho> like*
Feb 13 22:59:21 <HRH_H_Crab> any of you lot doing anything on the openmoko side of things, or has a fic neo?
Feb 13 23:02:34 <hvontres|work> TC-Rucho: hehe... that problem is as old as OpenZaurus....we shoudl fix that sometime
Feb 13 23:03:40 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah its outrageous.
Feb 13 23:03:46 <HRH_H_Crab> anyone would think you arent paid!
Feb 13 23:05:28 <marlon__> hvontres|work: I got it working!! I had to use my laptop to extract Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r3-poodle.rootfs.tar.gz to the sd card, and the altboot booted it properly off the card!
Feb 13 23:05:46 <marlon__> the problems i had occurred when i got altboot to extract the image for me...
Feb 13 23:05:57 <marlon__> maybe that will help your debugging a bit?
Feb 13 23:14:08 <hvontres|work> marlon__: IIRC the on-board extraction process also has had problems. It might be a sign of issues with the 2.6.17 SD card support. i am trying to get 2.6.24 whipped into shape to make it into the next set of images
Feb 13 23:17:54 <pardsbane> Hi, I'm having trouble building Angstrom 2007.12-stable with uclibc, should I ask for help here or in #oe?
Feb 13 23:18:58 <marlon__> ah yes, that could make sense.  big improvement in sd drivers i've heard.
Feb 13 23:19:09 <marlon__> its faster to extract on a pc anyway though, so i dont mind
Feb 13 23:33:25 <marlon__> oo... gnome mplayer causes some huge issues
Feb 13 23:34:38 <marlon__> x won't start properly after i install it
Feb 13 23:37:49 <hvontres|work> marlon__: do you have any swap space set up? I found that GPE is almost oom out of the box. a 64MB swap partition on your SD card might help that
Feb 13 23:39:00 <marlon__> oh.. i dont know how to do that :S
Feb 13 23:39:29 <marlon__> well, i can make a swap partition using gparted
Feb 13 23:39:29 <marlon__> but i dont know how to tell angstrom to use it..
Feb 13 23:39:59 <marlon__> or, could i make a swap partition on the built in flash? since it probably has better access times...
Feb 13 23:42:22 <johnx> if it was me I'd avoid putting swap on the internal flash...put it on an SD card if you need it
Feb 13 23:42:34 <marlon__> why is that?
Feb 13 23:43:29 <hvontres|work> marlon__: flash memeory has limited write cycles.... and a new SD card is WAY cheaper than trying to fix bad flash in the device
Feb 13 23:43:40 <johnx> what he said :)
Feb 13 23:43:43 <marlon__> ohh... ok fair enough
Feb 13 23:43:47 <marlon__> lol
Feb 13 23:44:06 <johnx> plus, if you make a swap file on the internal flash all writes to it will end up compressed which wastes lots of time
Feb 13 23:44:15 <marlon__> so, think you guys could help me out? like i said, i could use gparted on my laptop to put a swap part on the card, but then how do i let angstrom konw to use it?
Feb 13 23:44:23 <hvontres|work> marlon__: after you set up the swap partition, run mkswap on it and add it into the etc/fstab on your root partition
Feb 13 23:44:40 <marlon__> hmm ok, i'll give it a shot
Feb 13 23:44:45 <johnx> to use it temporarily (to try it) just: swapon /dev/mmc0p5
Feb 13 23:44:49 <johnx> or whatever the partition is
Feb 13 23:45:08 <marlon__> k i'll let you know in a min how it goes
Feb 13 23:45:27 <johnx> s/mmc0p5/mmcblk0p5/g
Feb 13 23:46:08 <johnx> the line for fstab should be something like this: /dev/mmcblk0p5 none swap sw 0 0
Feb 13 23:48:37 <marlon__> k thx :) im creating the partition right now
Feb 13 23:50:15 <marlon__> what does mkswap do/ how do i do that?
Feb 13 23:50:24 <johnx> mkswap formats a partition as swap
Feb 13 23:50:34 <johnx> mkswap /dev/foo
Feb 13 23:50:50 <johnx> gparted *might* do this for you
Feb 13 23:50:55 <johnx> I don't really know
Feb 13 23:50:56 <marlon__> oh ok, i already did that with gparted
Feb 13 23:51:27 <marlon__> pretty sure it did
Feb 13 23:51:27 <marlon__> i'll try swapon /dev/mmc0p2 now
Feb 13 23:52:34 <marlon__> er, swapon /dev/mmcblk0p2
Feb 13 23:53:10 <marlon__> hmm, now how do i see if it worked?
Feb 13 23:53:59 <johnx> free
Feb 13 23:54:13 <johnx> or cat /proc/meminfo
Feb 13 23:54:15 <johnx> or top
Feb 13 23:55:29 <marlon__> oh yeah.. swaptotal is 64000 k :)
Feb 13 23:56:04 <marlon__> now i have to add the line to fstab... fstab /dev/mmcblk0p2 none swap sw 0 0
Feb 13 23:57:21 <johnx> yeah...that's off the top of my head
Feb 13 23:57:34 <marlon__> lol k
Feb 13 23:57:56 <marlon__> and i reboot to see if it worked?
Feb 13 23:58:16 <johnx> I guess that's the only way to know for sure if it comes up at boot time...
Feb 13 23:58:40 <DarthWader> ahem
Feb 13 23:59:14 <DarthWader> could anyone tell my, why x11-image and x11-pimlico-image fails task do_rootfs being unable to find/install locale-base-en-gb?
Feb 13 23:59:42 <johnx> interesting
Feb 13 23:59:52 <johnx> can you pastebin your local.conf
Feb 13 23:59:54 <johnx> ?
Feb 14 00:02:12 <DarthWader> 5sec:)
Feb 14 00:03:52 <DarthWader> http://www.pastebin.ca/903102
Feb 14 00:04:35 <marlon__> johnx: it worked! thanks a lot for your help
Feb 14 00:05:03 <johnx> sure. good to hear :)
Feb 14 00:07:45 <johnx> DarthWader, maybe add en_GB.UTF-8 to your GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES?
Feb 14 00:07:49 * johnx shrugs
Feb 14 00:09:27 <DarthWader> i`ll try, but i think it's better to remove hardcoded dependency on en_GB locale, but i dunno where it is being inhertited from
Feb 14 00:10:45 <johnx> look in conf/distro/your-distro.conf and the files it 'include's
Feb 14 00:11:57 <DarthWader> hmm
Feb 14 00:12:01 <DarthWader> angstrom-2008.1.conf:IMAGE_LINGUAS = '${@base_less_or_equal("ROOT_FLASH_SIZE", "16", "", "en-gb", d)}'
Feb 14 00:12:05 <DarthWader> nice "feature"
Feb 14 00:12:25 <johnx> heh
Feb 14 00:13:00 <DarthWader> maybe i should define ROOT_FLASH_SIZE then
Feb 14 00:13:05 <johnx> ahahaha
Feb 14 00:13:07 <marlon__> damn..
Feb 14 00:13:07 <DarthWader> my device is 32m
Feb 14 00:13:08 <marlon__> even with swap, gmplayer pretty much lays waste to my system
Feb 14 00:13:27 <johnx> marlon__, which device?
Feb 14 00:13:40 <marlon__> poodle
Feb 14 00:13:43 <marlon__> it wont boot after i install and try to run gmplayer
Feb 14 00:13:47 <marlon__> i have to reinstall :(
Feb 14 00:13:58 <johnx> DarthWader, somehow that sounds like a worse hack then just removing the whole line that adds en-gb...
Feb 14 00:14:23 <johnx> marlon__, hmm! well that's not something that swap will fix...
Feb 14 00:14:30 <marlon__> lol nope
Feb 14 00:14:43 <DarthWader> johnx: removed line will cause more pain when i`ll mtn up 
Feb 14 00:15:24 <johnx> DarthWader, maybe it's time to just switch to British spellings then :)
Feb 14 00:15:27 <hvontres|work> marlon__: I think the problem might have been ipkg going oom.
Feb 14 00:16:17 <hvontres|work> ~curse sharp for leaving out the other 32MB of RAM
Feb 14 00:16:33 <hvontres|work> !curse sharp for leaving out the other 32MB of RAM
Feb 14 00:17:03 <johnx> yeah...sharp had this great collection of parts and they integrated it in ... questionable ways
Feb 14 00:18:07 <DarthWader> not only sharp does strange arrangement of parts
Feb 14 00:19:43 <johnx> true...but it's fairly frustrating for us watching the whole time while they almost get it right
Feb 14 00:20:07 <marlon__> it is still nice to have swap though :)
Feb 14 00:23:48 <DarthWader> hm
Feb 14 00:23:53 <marlon__> lol yeah, but wouldn't swap have fixed that problem?
Feb 14 00:23:54 <DarthWader> ROOT_FLASH_SIZE didn't help
Feb 14 00:24:55 <marlon__> if it was ipkg running out of memory? it seemed to install ok...
Feb 14 00:26:26 <hvontres|work> marlon__: unless the first attempt screwd things up
Feb 14 00:26:55 <marlon__> hmm i guess... but i have tried it about 3 times now
Feb 14 00:27:04 <marlon__> fresh install each time
Feb 14 00:28:08 <marlon__> i dunno.. has anyone else tried it on a poodle?
Feb 14 00:28:48 <hvontres|work> marlon__: not yet. I'm still using opie and xmms-embedded
Feb 14 00:29:35 <marlon__> ah, its ok not a big deal, i am quite happy with the command line mplayer
Feb 14 00:29:54 <marlon__> just not happy about reflashing 3 times haha
Feb 14 00:45:36 <marlon__> hey how does everyone here connect their z to their computer? say to copy mp3s or videos or something?
Feb 14 00:47:01 <johnx> marlon__, wifi for the most or by putting sd card in  a card reader
Feb 14 00:47:34 <marlon__> ah ok, just wondering
Feb 14 00:47:42 <marlon__> cause now that i have root on sd, i cant take the card out without the z crashing :(
Feb 14 00:47:51 <marlon__> that was my best transfer method
Feb 14 00:51:47 <marlon__> i have not yet got my wifi working
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