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Feb 25 11:03:19 <lianergoist> !logs
Feb 25 11:03:21 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
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Feb 25 11:03:27 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Feb 25 16:14:32 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: ping
Feb 25 16:55:23 <summatusmentis> oh ffs, my z keeps turning on in my pocket
Feb 25 17:25:57 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: pong
Feb 25 17:26:42 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: I removed my OE setup on buildmachine, trying to start over
Feb 25 17:26:57 <summatusmentis> the newest tree doesn't seem to like the version of monotone on that machine
Feb 25 17:27:50 <CoreDump> I would rather not upgrade mtn. I can copy a pretty up-to-date DB into you home if you wish
Feb 25 17:28:27 <summatusmentis> CoreDump: that's fine, I just thought I'd let you know
Feb 25 17:29:33 <CoreDump> summatusmentis: I guess I'll have to update it eventually =) DB is copied
Feb 25 17:29:43 <summatusmentis> thanks a lot
Feb 25 17:29:48 <CoreDump> np
Feb 25 17:30:01 <summatusmentis> also, do you know who i should talk to about SoC?
Feb 25 17:30:07 <CoreDump> hmmmm
Feb 25 17:30:16 <CoreDump> can't say sorry
Feb 25 17:30:35 <CoreDump> maybe hrw|gone or mickeyl know about that
Feb 25 17:30:37 <summatusmentis> ok, there's no chance you'd want to mentor for sonkei?
Feb 25 17:30:51 <CoreDump> no chance :\
Feb 25 17:30:58 <summatusmentis> ok, thanks
Feb 25 17:31:24 <summatusmentis> I'll probably send an email to the oe list
Feb 25 17:31:34 <CoreDump> that would be best, right
Feb 25 17:31:45 <CoreDump> if you get no response bug hrw =D
Feb 25 17:32:02 <summatusmentis> lol, ok, will do
Feb 25 18:06:05 <hvontres|work> CoreDump: hery there :)
Feb 25 18:06:17 <CoreDump> hvontres|work: yo
Feb 25 18:06:53 <hvontres|work> CoreDump: did you take a look at the #openzarus logs from yesterday? Our "favorite" ab-user is back
Feb 25 18:07:14 <CoreDump> I saw him ;)
Feb 25 18:07:49 <CoreDump> he is still banned in here
Feb 25 18:08:07 <hvontres|work> CoreDump: good :)
Feb 25 18:09:09 <hvontres|work> CoreDump: so what do you do over at F(irst) O(n)R(ace) D(ay)
Feb 25 18:10:11 <CoreDump> EE maintenance for CNC milling and turning machines and mechanical / hydraulic presses
Feb 25 18:11:12 <hvontres|work> CoreDump: ohh, fun :)
Feb 25 18:11:23 <CoreDump> mostly it is, yes ;)
Feb 25 18:21:18 <summatusmentis> does anyone have a functioning updater.sh for spitz?
Feb 25 18:25:25 <XorA|gone> hvontres|work: poodle is on its way to you
Feb 25 18:27:20 <XorA|gone> hvontres|work: dont forget to update http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/ProjectDevices when it arrives
Feb 25 19:04:31 <hvontres|work> XorA|gone: Thanks. 
Feb 25 19:21:34 <summatusmentis> ugh.. I'm trying to flash the gpe-x11-office image, and my zaurus keeps shutting itself off halfway through the imaging
Feb 25 19:21:46 <summatusmentis> suggestions?
Feb 25 19:25:11 <dcordes> summatusmentis: flash poky bleeding
Feb 25 19:34:15 <hvontres|work> summatusmentis: plug it in ?
Feb 25 19:55:34 <summatusmentis> hvontres|work: it is plugged in, but I think it's got some power setting about being on for some amount of time
Feb 25 19:55:39 <summatusmentis> dcordes: what is that?
Feb 25 19:57:46 <dcordes> summatusmentis: good looking kind of angstrom fork with its own metadata derivated from OE
Feb 25 19:58:02 <dcordes> I'm trying it once again at the moment
Feb 25 19:58:16 <dcordes> http://pokylinux.org
Feb 25 20:01:52 <summatusmentis> by bleeding, you mean the nightly builds?
Feb 25 20:01:57 <Sketch> i thought pokylinux was a debian port
Feb 25 20:03:43 <summatusmentis> dcordes: also, looks like it's for akita, not spitz
Feb 25 20:06:37 <Sketch> <summatusmentis> suggestions?
Feb 25 20:06:53 <Sketch> summatusmentis: hit a key every minute to keep it from going to sleep due to inactivity?  (if that's the problem)
Feb 25 20:17:23 <summatusmentis> Sketch: I guess that might be the problem... kind of annoying, but that'll probably fix it, worth a shot
Feb 25 20:19:26 <Sketch> if that doesn't work, you could try installing an akita image just to fix the settings
Feb 25 20:19:44 <Sketch> the install is much faster since you just update the flash image, and not write to the hard drive
Feb 25 20:19:51 <summatusmentis> I don't want a flash image
Feb 25 20:20:18 <Sketch> i mean do that just to boot into it and fix the settings, then install the spitz image
Feb 25 20:21:05 <dcordes> Sketch: I was always assuming it is similar to angstrom because of the metadata being almost the same
Feb 25 20:21:11 <dcordes> but it uses gtk and all
Feb 25 20:21:28 <Sketch> dcordes: yeah, it sounds like it might be a hybrid or something, it says it supports both ipkg and dpkg
Feb 25 20:21:34 <Sketch> i first heard about it in relation to debian
Feb 25 20:21:45 <Sketch> and uses OE
Feb 25 20:21:54 <Sketch> so it's definately got some similarity to angstrom
Feb 25 20:21:57 <dcordes> it doesn't. has own metadata
Feb 25 20:22:53 <dcordes> I only use poky right now because of the ultimate UI
Feb 25 20:24:17 <Sketch> it sounds like it uses gnome?
Feb 25 20:25:30 <dcordes> no matchbox 2
Feb 25 20:25:50 <Sketch> ah
Feb 25 20:25:50 <dcordes> http://pokylinux.org
Feb 25 20:26:41 <summatusmentis> ok, so the issue is not that it doesn't image, but rather that it doesn't reboot afterwards
Feb 25 20:27:30 <Sketch> ah, i stopped reading after i saw GNOME ;)
Feb 25 20:28:16 <Sketch> summatusmentis: hmm...that actually sounds like to the problem i was having after doing a nand restore
Feb 25 20:28:46 <Sketch> i did another nand restore and hd wipe, and then tried it again, and it worked
Feb 25 20:28:53 <Sketch> which i don't think should have done anything different
Feb 25 20:29:08 <Sketch> but maybe it's just a bug that it sometimes reboots and other times doesn't? 
Feb 25 20:29:55 <summatusmentis> I don't wanna do a NAND restore
Feb 25 20:30:11 <summatusmentis> I suppose I could reformat the drive
Feb 25 20:30:14 <summatusmentis> and try the install again
Feb 25 20:31:19 <Sketch> i am not sure if that had anything to do with it or not
Feb 25 20:31:56 <Sketch> i figured i had just not done something in removing altboot
Feb 25 20:34:00 <summatusmentis> yeah, i try to boot it, the power light flashes once, and then doesn't boot
Feb 25 20:35:46 <Sketch> sounds like the same thing i saw
Feb 25 20:36:17 <Sketch> you could try wiping the hard drive, and repartitioning it again, but i really don't see why that would break the install process
Feb 25 20:39:55 <summatusmentis> yeah, trying that now
Feb 25 20:43:54 <Sketch> dcordes: i was thinking about trying e17, since i'm not too impressed with matchbox
Feb 25 20:44:01 <Sketch> but it looks like e17 is no longer in the angstrom repo...
Feb 25 20:44:23 <Sketch> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromE17
Feb 25 20:44:30 <Sketch> i think someone needs to update the wiki ;)
Feb 25 20:44:35 <dcordes> I hear people are working on a new interface for openmoko based on e17 and stuff
Feb 25 20:45:21 <summatusmentis> I think the author of e17 is working on an openmoko image for e17
Feb 25 20:47:58 <wirelessdreamer> i've got e17 on my c3k, runs really nicely
Feb 25 20:49:05 <summatusmentis> does it? I need to get something on my 3200
Feb 25 20:50:07 <wirelessdreamer> its a couple month old install, but it was installed from the repo
Feb 25 20:50:32 <summatusmentis> hrm... what do you use for a login manager?
Feb 25 20:50:57 <wirelessdreamer> i login through a text console and type startx =P
Feb 25 20:51:11 <summatusmentis> lol, old school
Feb 25 20:51:34 <wirelessdreamer> i barely ever have to reset, i just push the power button and it suspends in x
Feb 25 20:51:45 <wirelessdreamer> don't have a screen locker set up though
Feb 25 20:52:08 <Sketch> are there seperate repos for stable and dev?
Feb 25 20:52:15 <summatusmentis> I always end up rebooting when my 3200 turns on in my pocket, and then it does
Feb 25 20:52:16 <summatusmentis> dies*
Feb 25 20:52:33 <Sketch> summatusmentis: yeah, that's the only time i reboot either (except when it would crash when i was running cacko)
Feb 25 20:52:51 <summatusmentis> it's rather annoying, but I can't figure out how to stop it
Feb 25 20:52:55 <wirelessdreamer> sec i'll pull it out and check
Feb 25 20:55:06 <wirelessdreamer> i was using unstable
Feb 25 20:55:54 <Sketch> hmm
Feb 25 20:56:12 <summatusmentis> oh ffs, this isn't working!
Feb 25 20:56:14 <Sketch> it's possible there are seperate feeds, and the feed browser on the site is only for stable
Feb 25 21:00:37 <summatusmentis> Sketch: do you remember how you fixed your thing?
Feb 25 21:00:52 <summatusmentis> s/thing/issue with booting?
Feb 25 21:01:41 <Sketch> summatusmentis: not sure.  i thouhgt it was something wrong due to having altboot installed, and nand flashed a couple of times and hdwiped + repartitioned
Feb 25 21:01:43 <Sketch> and then it worked
Feb 25 21:01:57 <Sketch> it's possible it was just a bug in the installer where it decided to work that time
Feb 25 21:02:03 <summatusmentis> :-/
Feb 25 21:03:32 <summatusmentis> I really hope it doesn't come to NAND restore
Feb 25 21:04:45 <wirelessdreamer> the only time i remember having to do a nand restore was a c860 with some bad nand
Feb 25 21:05:49 <summatusmentis> having it die in my pocket shouldn't affect the nand should it?
Feb 25 21:06:31 <Sketch> i wouldn't think so but that is somewhat interesting 
Feb 25 21:06:55 <Sketch> i installed an android image that i found on the net, it used altboot to boot
Feb 25 21:07:11 <Sketch> it didn't work right, so i re-flashed angstrom...which didn't work right, presumably due to altboot requiring a nand restore to clean out
Feb 25 21:07:24 <Sketch> but i didn't have time to get around to doing that for like a week, during which time the battery died
Feb 25 21:08:02 <Sketch> so maybe battery life does have something to do with it (even if it is plugged in)
Feb 25 21:09:35 <wirelessdreamer> sketch easiest thing to do is just replace your kernel/modules, uncompress it to /home/root and put the /start script in place
Feb 25 21:09:50 <wirelessdreamer> it'll run on top of pretty much any angstrom setup
Feb 25 21:17:55 * dcordes never had to restore nand either after millions of akita flashs
Feb 25 21:18:40 <Sketch> dcordes: yeah, i have flashed several times before and never had a problem
Feb 25 21:18:55 <Sketch> but from what i've read, nand flash is the only way to remove altboot
Feb 25 21:19:09 <HRH_H_Crab> i dont think so.
Feb 25 21:19:13 <HRH_H_Crab> i had altboot with oz,
Feb 25 21:19:16 <HRH_H_Crab> but not now with angstrom.
Feb 25 21:19:21 <Sketch> either that or the 2007.12 install is buggy ;)
Feb 25 21:19:44 <dcordes> altboot is inside the flashed filesystem
Feb 25 21:19:57 <dcordes> as you can install/remove it from within the fs
Feb 25 21:20:11 <Sketch> altboot itself is, but i was under the impression the loader is not
Feb 25 21:20:20 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: when I want to boot from sd I flash some minimal-image and ipkg install altboot on it
Feb 25 21:20:52 <HRH_H_Crab> so there is altboot, but not the userland menu thingy on my z?
Feb 25 21:21:24 <dcordes> no idea what's on your z that's just how I boot sd ^^
Feb 25 21:21:36 <HRH_H_Crab> all i know is, when i had oz on mine,
Feb 25 21:22:07 <HRH_H_Crab> on reboot, i would get a text mode menu saying "what do you want to boot, hd, cf, sd?" etc.
Feb 25 21:22:15 <HRH_H_Crab> and now, it just boots straight into angstrom.
Feb 25 21:22:56 <Sketch> yeah, that menu is altboot
Feb 25 21:23:02 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: in case you would want that back, ipkg install altboot
Feb 25 21:23:16 <summatusmentis> @!#$#@ I still can't get it to boot
Feb 25 21:23:20 <summatusmentis> maybe it's a bad kernel?
Feb 25 21:23:34 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes: yeah, i knew it was possible to do that, but i don't really have any need for it atm.
Feb 25 21:23:49 <Sketch> summatusmentis: oh, the other thing i did was recopied all of the install files onto my sd
Feb 25 21:24:00 <summatusmentis> yeah, i've done that a couple of times
Feb 25 21:24:04 <Sketch> just in case there was an error during copying or something (i have noticed my sd reader at work is a littly flaky at times)
Feb 25 21:24:47 <summatusmentis> yep... I guess the other option is a bad md5sum or something
Feb 25 21:25:08 <Sketch> possible
Feb 25 21:25:48 <Sketch> the only reference i can find to altboot+nand restore is on the angstrom wiki
Feb 25 21:25:51 <Sketch> so maybe it's wrong
Feb 25 21:25:53 <Sketch> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromAltboot
Feb 25 21:26:07 <Sketch> i am pretty sure i read the same thing elsewhere, but i don't see it on any of the usual sites
Feb 25 21:26:49 <Sketch> so maybe my memory is faulty ;)
Feb 25 21:28:50 <dcordes> Sketch: do a nand restore
Feb 25 21:29:24 <Sketch> i did, a few times, and eventually it worked
Feb 25 21:29:32 <Sketch> (among other things i tried)
Feb 25 21:31:13 <dcordes> exzessive use of nand restore can be harmful :)
Feb 25 21:31:17 <Sketch> btw, i just switched to the 2008 feeds and no e17 there either, so I am guessing i have to build it myself off of OE
Feb 25 21:53:29 <summatusmentis> Sketch: it works now
Feb 25 21:53:39 <summatusmentis> I'm wondering if it was the old updater.sh I was using
Feb 25 21:54:54 <Sketch> summatusmentis: one thing i wondered is if it had to do with battery life, because i really didn't change much, and it worked after several attempts
Feb 25 21:56:39 <summatusmentis> shouldn't matter, was plugged in the whoe time
Feb 25 21:57:22 <Sketch> yeah, i wouldn't think so either
Feb 25 22:16:28 <marlon__> hey everybody
Feb 25 22:16:43 <marlon__> does anyone know if altboot can be used with sdhc??
Feb 25 22:50:36 <johnx> it *should* be possible to use altboot with any mountable filesystem. I don't see why it *wouldn't* work with SDHC, but I haven't tried it
Feb 25 22:54:39 <Sketch> afaik zaurus rom can't access more than 1gb though, so wouldn't it have to be located on the first 1gb of the card?
Feb 25 22:56:34 <johnx> altboot is installed to flash
Feb 25 22:56:56 <johnx> it replaces /sbin/init
Feb 25 22:56:58 <hvontres|work> marlon__: I don't think 2.6.17 can handle SDHC cards.
Feb 25 22:57:14 <HRH_H_Crab> Sketch: i havent tried extensive testing, but my z (sl-c3200) seems to recognise all of my 2GB micro sd in an adaptor.
Feb 25 22:57:36 <hvontres|work> Sketch: the 1GB limit was due to the old 2.4 crappix kernel
Feb 25 22:57:54 <Sketch> does altboot load before or after the kernel?
Feb 25 22:57:59 <Sketch> i don't really know much about it
Feb 25 22:58:13 <Sketch> by rom i meant before the kernel is loaded 
Feb 25 22:58:18 <johnx> altboot gets run by the 2.6 kernel 
Feb 25 22:58:30 <Sketch> ah, ok, it should be able to read whatever the kernel can then
Feb 25 22:58:33 <johnx> it replaces the real /sbin/init IIRC
Feb 25 22:58:36 <Sketch> which should include sdhc with a new enough kernel
Feb 25 22:58:52 <Sketch> hvontres|work: technically it was the driver included with the kernel by sharp that was the problem
Feb 25 22:59:24 <Sketch> hvontres|work: i used the 3200 sd driver on my 3100 and it had no problems with 4gb sd on the original sharp rom
Feb 25 22:59:46 <johnx> right. if your kernel supports sdhc I don't see a reason that altboot wouldn't support it
Feb 25 23:04:03 <marlon__> hey guys, sorry i was a way for a bit
Feb 25 23:04:52 <marlon__> so, if it should support it, any ideas why it doesnt?
Feb 25 23:05:29 <Sketch> what hardware?
Feb 25 23:06:21 <johnx> can you mount the card normally?
Feb 25 23:06:44 <marlon__> its a poodle
Feb 25 23:07:13 <Sketch> i haven't tried any sdhc cards, but from what i've read it should work on anything with a pxa270...so it may not work on the older pxa255 models
Feb 25 23:07:13 <marlon__> and im not sure. i will give it a shot.  what kernel version is the latest autobuild running?
Feb 25 23:07:29 <Sketch> trying to mount it normally would be a good start, altboot may not be the problem
Feb 25 23:07:50 <dcordes> marlon__: 2.6.23
Feb 25 23:08:24 <dcordes> oh sorry that's for aktia, not poodle
Feb 25 23:09:15 <marlon__> hmm..
Feb 25 23:09:33 <dcordes> 2.6.17 possibly
Feb 25 23:09:50 <dcordes> modules-2.6.17-poodle.tgz28-Jan-2008 18:24 2.5M
Feb 25 23:09:59 <dcordes> marlon__: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/poodle/
Feb 25 23:10:07 <marlon__> thats the version i tried
Feb 25 23:10:14 <marlon__> the latest is feb 6 for the altboot version
Feb 25 23:11:40 <marlon__> hang on, i'll see what kernel version is running on that altboot installkit
Feb 25 23:11:56 <hvontres|work> marlon__: like I said in the mail, 2.6.24 is not quite ready for prime-time on poodle. We will try to get it in as soon as we can. Until last week, it didn't even resume
Feb 25 23:12:15 <dcordes> marlon__: in case you can use the sdhc inside the kernel you are running altboot from, I'm pretty sure you will also be able to boot from there
Feb 25 23:12:15 <marlon__> oh ok. so 2.6.23 won't work then?
Feb 25 23:12:31 <dcordes> altboot is nothing more than bashscript afaik
Feb 25 23:12:34 <hvontres|work> marlon__: if you feel brave, you can always try building an image from .dev 
Feb 25 23:13:04 <marlon__> haha i am brave, but i have never built a linux image before
Feb 25 23:13:14 <hvontres|work> marlon__: 2.6.23 in the stable branch still had some issues on poodle, which is why it is stuck on 2.6.17 for now.
Feb 25 23:13:25 <dcordes> marlon__: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Feb 25 23:13:42 <marlon__> so altboot runs on top of the kernel obviously, so once that newer kernel is working ok altboot should be fine with sdhc?
Feb 25 23:13:43 <hvontres|work> the fixes haven't made it over yet and 2.6.24 is mostly ready.
Feb 25 23:13:57 <marlon__> thx dcordes, i have looked at that before
Feb 25 23:14:06 <marlon__> i had thought about experimenting a little but i just havent done it yet
Feb 25 23:14:09 <hvontres|work> marlon__: if you can mount it, it will run :)
Feb 25 23:14:53 <marlon__> sorry? you lost me a little.  mount what?
Feb 25 23:15:48 <hvontres|work> marlon__: if you can mount the card, altboot should be able to use it
Feb 25 23:16:13 <marlon__> oh right i c
Feb 25 23:16:48 <marlon__> ok, so i'm basically waiting for 2.6.24 to make it to poodle, unless i want to try and build it myself?
Feb 25 23:16:58 <hvontres|work> marlon__: correct.
Feb 25 23:17:17 <marlon__> ok and the feb 6 altboot installkit is still 2.6.17?
Feb 25 23:17:24 <hvontres|work> marlon__: I'd test it myself, but I don't have any SDHC cards :)
Feb 25 23:17:49 <hvontres|work> marlon__: yes. 
Feb 25 23:18:11 <marlon__> that's ok, i appreciate the help anyway. im running 2.6.22 on my laptop and it has no problem with sdhc
Feb 25 23:19:25 <marlon__> any guesses on how long until the 2.6.24 kernel is working on poodle?
Feb 25 23:20:35 <hvontres|work> marlon__: I'll have to test it some more this week, but I think it's mostly ready to go
Feb 25 23:21:29 <marlon__> awesome! you guys should know how much i appreciate this operating system
Feb 25 23:21:59 <marlon__> i may try and set myself up a build environment for angstrom sometime soon, but i think it will be quite some time before i could be helpful
Feb 25 23:22:15 <marlon__> i know c and assembly, and am good with embedded systems, but i am new to linux
Feb 25 23:22:46 <hvontres|work> marlon__: It's not too bad. It's so easy, even a mechanical engineer can do it :)
Feb 25 23:23:07 <marlon__> haha alright well i may have to give it a shot...
Feb 25 23:23:25 <marlon__> i am a year away from being an electrical engineer :)
Feb 26 00:04:43 <marlon_> hey im back
Feb 26 00:04:45 <marlon_> had some comp issues
Feb 26 04:26:36 <gelisp> hi all, anyone runs kernel 2.6 on h5550 successfully?
Feb 26 05:07:00 <marlon_> !logs
Feb 26 05:07:01 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
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Feb 26 05:07:06 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Feb 26 05:12:45 <summatusmentis> hrw|gone: ping
Feb 26 07:34:47 <hrw|gone> summatusmentis: pong
Feb 26 07:57:51 <hrw> morning
Feb 26 10:39:41 <lumag> ji!
Feb 26 10:39:43 <lumag> hi!
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