**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 05 10:59:56 2008
Mar 05 12:54:24 <undertook> hi 
Mar 05 13:03:14 <HRH_H_Crab> hello undertook 
Mar 05 13:03:29 <undertook> hi HRH_H_Crab 
Mar 05 13:08:13 <undertook> any1 here knows if there is an app that plays swf files using framebuffer directly?
Mar 05 13:08:41 <johnx_> is it just an flv wrapped in an swf?
Mar 05 13:09:03 <undertook> johnx swf
Mar 05 13:09:35 <johnx_> right...I got that part...is it like youtube where it's just an flv inside an swf?
Mar 05 13:10:20 <undertook> johnx_ : sometimes yes....
Mar 05 13:10:30 <johnx_> for those mplayer will work
Mar 05 13:10:42 <undertook> johnx_ mostly i need swf..
Mar 05 13:11:10 <undertook> johnx_ :so that i am able to feed swf with xml data for example...
Mar 05 13:11:44 <johnx_> hmmm...I think gnash requires X
Mar 05 13:12:02 <johnx_> but xfbdev is very small...is there a reason you can't run X?
Mar 05 13:12:07 <undertook> johnx_ : In Gnash, this is a GUI library that outputs directly to the Linux Frame Buffer and so does not need a window system to run. 
Mar 05 13:12:44 <undertook> johnx_ :problem is firefox which needs tons of cpu power ;-)
Mar 05 13:12:59 <undertook> johnx_ :with libflash together...
Mar 05 13:13:05 <johnx_> you don't need firefox...I think gnash can be run standalone
Mar 05 13:13:54 <undertook> johnx_ :can it work with swf? i will try now.
Mar 05 14:07:10 <undertook> johnx_ sh: oe_sha256sum: command not found
Mar 05 14:07:17 <undertook> sorry any1 knows that?
Mar 05 15:07:01 <matthiasw> hello there
Mar 05 15:08:08 <matthiasw> could someone help me with my netbook? i successfully installed OZ 3.5.4.1 on a cf card and it runs nice on my netbook pro. but how do i make a bootimage with the autobuild kernelimage of angstrom?
Mar 05 15:30:55 <matthiasw> no one online here?
Mar 05 16:44:33 <summatusmenti1> Crofton: just got my list of GSoC ideas sent off, last couple days have been busy
Mar 05 18:06:26 <vanguard> It seems, perl on Zaurus is not the same as perl on a normal desktop pc, isn't it ?=
Mar 05 18:07:24 <vanguard> I just tried, to get a perl scriptz running, but it does not work. I suppose, there are differences.
Mar 05 18:08:38 <vanguard> This is a pity, as the only (GPL) WAP-Browser I found for linux, is based on perl.
Mar 05 18:10:08 <Sketch> if it's the same version, it should be the same
Mar 05 18:10:53 <Sketch> your average linux distro probaby comes with a bunch of extra perl modules that are not a core part of perl though that your app may require
Mar 05 18:11:29 <vanguard> O.k., then there might me anaother reason. I tried to get the application "wApua" running on my Z, but it does not start.
Mar 05 18:12:46 <vanguard> I understand. As I am not so good in coding, I will check out, what it is needed, and what it is available on the Z. Maybe I can fix it, though. 
Mar 05 19:52:49 <mimecar> hi guys
Mar 05 19:55:30 <summatusmentis> hi mimecar 
Mar 05 19:55:36 <mimecar> hi summatusmentis
Mar 05 19:55:45 <mimecar> we haven't speak on a long rime
Mar 05 19:55:48 <mimecar> time
Mar 05 19:56:01 <summatusmentis> very true, I've been busy
Mar 05 19:56:08 <mimecar> me to
Mar 05 19:56:31 <mimecar> were you an admin for collie ?
Mar 05 19:57:22 <summatusmentis> no, never was given access, I don't think
Mar 05 19:57:29 <mimecar> ok
Mar 05 19:57:47 <summatusmentis> which is fine, i haven't ever done anything w/ collie, except for test things, a little bit
Mar 05 19:58:01 <XorA|gone> zaurus machines die in obscurity :-(
Mar 05 19:58:04 <mimecar> i'm compiling it now
Mar 05 19:58:11 <mimecar> that's true
Mar 05 19:58:31 <summatusmentis> I don't want collie to die, it's a great machine
Mar 05 19:58:54 <summatusmentis> I don't want zaurus to die, but it's starting to look that way
Mar 05 19:58:59 <mimecar> summatusmentis: you can develop for collie and, after, migrate to other devices
Mar 05 19:59:08 <mimecar> such as openmoko
Mar 05 19:59:28 * XorA|gone migrated to openmoko
Mar 05 19:59:52 <summatusmentis> mimecar: yeah, I know. I just don't feel like I've got the skills, and right now, I don't think I have that much time either
Mar 05 19:59:54 <mimecar> it's a natural change, but you can use zaurus actually
Mar 05 20:00:06 <summatusmentis> XorA: migrated completely? as in, bought 1973 and all of that?
Mar 05 20:00:12 <XorA> summatusmentis: I work for them
Mar 05 20:00:12 * summatusmentis is thinking about openmoko on his 3200
Mar 05 20:00:16 <mimecar> summatusmentis: i get error on compilation and with some luck, get the process working
Mar 05 20:00:23 <summatusmentis> XorA: ah :-) nice score on the job
Mar 05 20:00:33 <summatusmentis> mimecar: what image are you building?
Mar 05 20:00:37 <mimecar> summatusmentis: 3200 is nokia, isn't it
Mar 05 20:00:40 <mimecar> collie
Mar 05 20:00:52 <summatusmentis> mimecar: no, 3200 is terrier/spitz
Mar 05 20:00:54 <mimecar> actually, console, x11..
Mar 05 20:00:58 <mimecar> ok 
Mar 05 20:01:09 <summatusmentis> mimecar: so, gpe-x11?
Mar 05 20:01:13 <mimecar> i'll update database and recompile
Mar 05 20:01:28 <mimecar> i think it will work with altboot and a cf carf
Mar 05 20:01:52 <XorA> summatusmentis: no point in OM on 3200, OM is just a Angstrom rebadge after all
Mar 05 20:02:00 <mimecar> sd was not working last time i tested, 
Mar 05 20:02:11 <summatusmentis> XorA: better UI maybe
Mar 05 20:02:26 <XorA> summatusmentis: thats debateable :-)
Mar 05 20:02:45 <summatusmentis> XorA: sure, I've just been thinking about trying it
Mar 05 20:02:54 <mimecar> summatusmentis: you can use opnemoko look and fell on collie :P
Mar 05 20:03:05 <summatusmentis> mimecar: that's a good point
Mar 05 20:03:06 <mimecar> i tested it on my akita, is a matchbox theme
Mar 05 20:03:13 <summatusmentis> completely?
Mar 05 20:03:26 <mimecar> a newer version of matchbox
Mar 05 20:03:41 <summatusmentis> in the feeds though?
Mar 05 20:03:44 <mimecar> but you have the same look and feel, some features are not present
Mar 05 20:03:46 <summatusmentis> for Angstrom?
Mar 05 20:04:37 <mimecar> for mathcbox
Mar 05 20:05:02 <summatusmentis> right, is the newer version of matchbox and the OM theme in the Angstrom feeds?
Mar 05 20:05:16 <mimecar> sorry,
Mar 05 20:05:28 <mimecar> there's a version of openmoko on feeds
Mar 05 20:05:35 <mimecar> matchbox version is not the latest
Mar 05 20:06:16 <summatusmentis> hmm
Mar 05 20:07:05 <mimecar> summatusmentis: I can't find screenshot of openmoko matchbox theme
Mar 05 20:07:22 <summatusmentis> no worries, I'll look into it later
Mar 05 20:09:00 <mimecar> summatusmentis: http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temanuevodegtkxb5.png
Mar 05 20:09:08 <mimecar> is a change theme for matchbox
Mar 05 20:09:29 <mimecar> name is mbopus, but control look and feel is new
Mar 05 20:09:57 <summatusmentis> mimecar: I'm looking for the OM interface itself, not just a theme for GPE
Mar 05 20:10:00 <summatusmentis> you know?
Mar 05 20:10:09 <mimecar> openmoko ?
Mar 05 20:10:40 <XorA> summatusmentis: openmoko-today you mean then?
Mar 05 20:10:40 <summatusmentis> yeah, similar to the way the 1973 works
Mar 05 20:10:50 <XorA> summatusmentis: you can install that on Angstrom
Mar 05 20:10:53 <summatusmentis> XorA: I don't know what I mean exactly :-)
Mar 05 20:10:55 <mimecar> summatusmentis: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=section&section=openmoko
Mar 05 20:11:19 <mimecar> XorA: do om-today work with gpe-calendar ?
Mar 05 20:11:21 <summatusmentis> I was thinking about all of it, but I don't know
Mar 05 20:11:41 <mimecar> summatusmentis: create a loopfile of your system, backup it and install OM
Mar 05 20:11:52 <XorA> mimecar: no
Mar 05 20:12:07 <mimecar> that's a pity
Mar 05 20:12:22 <XorA> mimecar: it interfaces eith eds-dbus
Mar 05 20:12:26 <summatusmentis> mimecar: yeah, it's just an idea I've been toying with
Mar 05 20:12:35 <XorA> mimecar: so anything else that uses eds should be good
Mar 05 20:13:03 <mimecar> i would like use a "real calendar format" such as ics
Mar 05 20:13:43 <mimecar> unresolverd conflicts on OE database update
Mar 05 20:24:39 <mimecar> XorA: have you the link for autobuild ?
Mar 05 20:24:42 <mimecar> hi andieh
Mar 05 20:24:59 <XorA> mimecar: autobuild?
Mar 05 20:25:20 <mimecar> there're some macihines with images create automatically
Mar 05 20:25:44 <summatusmentis> it's on the angstrom site
Mar 05 21:15:25 <summatusmentis> how do I get openmoko-panel-gps to install? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=openmoko-panel-gps
Mar 05 21:15:40 <summatusmentis> as far as I can tell, my armv4t feed is setup?
Mar 05 21:16:18 <mimecar-away> summatusmentis: you must check if openmoko runs on your architecture
Mar 05 21:16:24 <mimecar-away> and the screen is SMALLER
Mar 05 21:16:35 <mimecar-away> 640x480 vs 320x240
Mar 05 21:18:24 <summatusmentis> mimecar-away: it's in my feeds, I don't know why it wouldn't, and the screen shouldn't be smaller on my C3200
Mar 05 21:31:42 <mimecar> i forgot it
Mar 05 21:31:55 <mimecar> i "think" you have a sl5500
Mar 05 21:36:33 <summatusmentis> mimecar: I do, I don't use it very often though. I also have an SL-C3200
Mar 05 21:37:17 * XorA|gone has a 5500 and 3200 and uses neither
Mar 05 21:37:39 <mimecar> XorA|gone: and a neo...
Mar 05 21:37:53 <XorA|gone> mimecar: one or 4 neos :-)
Mar 05 21:38:01 <XorA|gone> mimecar: and a n810
Mar 05 21:38:05 <mimecar> freak
Mar 05 21:38:06 <mimecar> :P
Mar 05 21:38:08 <XorA|gone> my n810 needs more lurvin
Mar 05 21:38:13 <XorA|gone> and a PSP, gp2x
Mar 05 21:38:27 <mimecar> and a dog...
Mar 05 21:38:37 <xota> johnx_, do u have the sd running on ur collie?
Mar 05 21:38:39 <XorA|gone> no dog
Mar 05 21:38:48 <mimecar> childs ?
Mar 05 21:38:53 <summatusmentis> I want a dog and a neo
Mar 05 21:38:58 <summatusmentis> don't care about the rest :-)
Mar 05 21:39:08 <mimecar> i have a collie, an akita and a dalmata
Mar 05 21:39:09 <mimecar> xDDD
Mar 05 21:39:10 <XorA|gone> got an OE tosa here as well
Mar 05 21:39:34 <mimecar> what was the latest kernel with sd working for collie ?
Mar 05 21:40:54 <mimecar> my compilation works with cf, but it doesn't with sd
Mar 05 21:42:18 <summatusmentis> do any of the kernels work w/ SD?
Mar 05 21:42:45 <mimecar> there was a driver for 2.6 kernel
Mar 05 21:42:56 <summatusmentis> right, don't know if it ever got integrated
Mar 05 21:43:19 <mimecar> me neither
Mar 05 21:43:29 <mimecar> xota: can you install altboot on flash ?
Mar 05 21:44:13 <mimecar> if cf works, you can use x11 with a loopfile
Mar 05 22:54:40 <summatusmentis> is the repo down?
Mar 05 22:54:51 <summatusmentis> nvm
Mar 06 04:11:55 <hipitihop> I have a an Ipaq 4150 Can someone please tell me definitively if their is a distro that runs on that ?
Mar 06 04:16:24 <phynix> i know this could be a stupid question but have you looked at familiar
Mar 06 04:18:56 <hipitihop> phynix: no question is stupid, I think I looked at it a long time ago but have not tracked its progress. I was hoping an up to date one like the angstrom would just work
Mar 06 04:19:19 <phynix> well i looked at their pacakge list. and i didn't see that model
Mar 06 04:19:27 <phynix> i could give you the link if you want
Mar 06 04:19:51 <phynix> angstrom was pretty painless
Mar 06 04:20:03 <hipitihop> yes tthanks
Mar 06 04:20:39 <hipitihop> I thought the 4150 was similar to the 2200 but maybe it is the 1950 not sure
Mar 06 04:22:24 <phynix> i have a 2200 and this is the guide i followed
Mar 06 04:22:27 <phynix> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/WinCeQuickInstall']
Mar 06 04:24:40 <hipitihop> thanks I'll have a look. It seems there have been no updates since v0.8.4 in aug '06
Mar 06 04:24:56 <phynix> to which angstrom or familiar
Mar 06 04:25:11 <hipitihop> familiar
Mar 06 04:25:48 <phynix> ya and every page says don't use on h2200 and all of the links are broken
Mar 06 04:26:06 <phynix> i had hoped that yours would be more supported
Mar 06 04:28:04 <phynix> on that site i sent you do they have your model listed?
Mar 06 04:29:46 <phynix> cause i see the h4000
Mar 06 04:29:50 <hipitihop> looking to see what's supported but I'm pretty certain that is the distro with gpe I got going a year or more ago
Mar 06 04:30:29 <phynix> for me it lacks any useful packages and mine has no wifi so I am still trying to figure out a way to get packages and solve dependicies
Mar 06 04:32:29 <hipitihop> hmm, I might recurect my install and see. Mine has wifi but I don't think I tried to get it going... just trying to get some more usefelness out of now a tired pda ewhich is used as GPS unit when in WindowsCE mode
Mar 06 04:33:28 <phynix> ya i ordered a new nokia n800
Mar 06 04:33:42 <phynix> so i basically wanted to mess around with it and figure out what the ipaq could do
Mar 06 04:34:10 <hipitihop> I hear good things about them...I'm also waiting for something like the Neo before I decide which way/unit I go
Mar 06 04:34:25 <phynix> i would love a lphone
Mar 06 04:34:36 <phynix> but linux based
Mar 06 04:34:42 <phynix> so basically jsut a phone hahah
Mar 06 04:35:01 <hipitihop> well isn't the neo that ?
Mar 06 04:35:06 <phynix> i haven't herd of that
Mar 06 04:35:10 <phynix> maybe i live in a hole
Mar 06 04:35:21 <hipitihop> standby for link
Mar 06 04:36:10 <phynix> standing by
Mar 06 04:36:15 <hipitihop> http://openmoko.org/
Mar 06 04:36:42 <phynix> oh ok 
Mar 06 04:36:44 <phynix> looks cool
Mar 06 04:36:51 <phynix> but why do they have to make it look so dorky
Mar 06 04:39:52 <hipitihop> anyway, have a look... btw, that is the way I got to hear about the Angstrom
Mar 06 04:40:06 <hipitihop> thanks for trying to help and your links
Mar 06 04:40:10 <hipitihop> cya
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