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Mar 07 18:21:39 <summatusmentis> how does one add a new page to the wiki?
Mar 07 20:09:37 <Timelord> Well.  I tried Opie and GPE... and have no real idea of how to get either to a useful state. XD
Mar 07 20:09:50 * Timelord fails.
Mar 07 20:10:15 <Timelord> Most my problem is likely that I am using a tosa.
Mar 07 20:12:58 <Timelord> Can't figure out how to get installed programs to show up or be generally executable.  Many of the packages from the feed fail to install, give error 22s, or generally send the system into a siezure where the green light goes nuts with access.
Mar 07 20:13:37 <Timelord> GPE I do not really know much about as the socket CF ethernet does not load and I have no idea where to go from there.
Mar 07 20:19:24 <dcordes_> Timelord, what did you install?
Mar 07 20:19:43 <dcordes_> gpe/opie is just gui
Mar 07 20:20:54 <Timelord> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/tosa/
Mar 07 20:21:00 <Timelord> The Opie and the GPE images from there.
Mar 07 20:21:33 <Timelord> On Opie I tried to install a variety of packages... some worked, many did not.  None I could run afterwards (did not find where they were installed or how to execute them).
Mar 07 20:21:56 <Timelord> GPE I never really got started on as I have no clue how to get ethernet going.
Mar 07 20:22:17 <dcordes_> Timelord, afaik opie is not officially supported
Mar 07 20:22:26 * Timelord nods.
Mar 07 20:23:08 <dcordes_> regarding your cf wifi: it should both work the same on either image
Mar 07 20:23:22 <dcordes_> under the hood both opie and gpe are the same
Mar 07 20:23:25 <Timelord> It is CF ethernet.  'Socket' brand low power ethernet cf.
Mar 07 20:23:42 <Timelord> dcordes_: The GPE image has /nothing/ in its gui.  'minimalist'.
Mar 07 20:23:57 <Timelord> I don't have a clue where to start to get it going.
Mar 07 20:24:12 <dcordes_> Timelord, press and hold the panel, add, wifi monitor or so
Mar 07 20:24:39 <dcordes_> assuming the wifi applet is availabe in that image
Mar 07 20:24:59 * Timelord powers it up.
Mar 07 20:25:31 <dcordes_> Timelord, are you familiar with manual wifi setup (iwconfig) ?
Mar 07 20:25:43 <Timelord> Negative.
Mar 07 20:25:51 <hvontres|work> Timelord: which build did you try? 
Mar 07 20:26:26 <Timelord> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/tosa/Angstrom-minimalist-gpe-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r2-tosa-installkit.tgz
Mar 07 20:26:40 <Timelord> The wifi applet is running twice.  As is the taskbar.
Mar 07 20:26:52 <Timelord> I am unsure how to kill the extra copies. >_>
Mar 07 20:27:53 <dcordes_> use ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X
Mar 07 20:28:13 <dcordes_> it should not matter though
Mar 07 20:28:15 <Timelord> wifi monitor reads diddly.  The wifi light is not blinking.  I am trying to use the CF ethernet adapter.
Mar 07 20:32:00 <hvontres|work> Timelord: you might want to try http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/tosa/Angstrom-opie-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r9-tosa-installkit.tgz for opie or http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/tosa/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r9-tosa-installkit.tgz for gpe
Mar 07 20:33:14 <hvontres|work> Angstrom-minimalist-gpe-image is probably too minimalist for most people 
Mar 07 20:33:29 * Timelord nods.
Mar 07 20:33:52 <Timelord> You suggest the autobuild over the regular level of instability? :D
Mar 07 20:34:20 <dcordes_> come on that's harsh
Mar 07 20:34:31 <hvontres|work> Timelord: only because it is MUCH newer and tosa got some fixes since r2
Mar 07 20:35:09 <hvontres|work> Timelord: plus the "regular" unstable files are just autobuilds that got moved over :()
Mar 07 20:35:25 * Timelord laughs.
Mar 07 20:35:56 <Timelord> Alright.  I'll try them out.  Thanks, folks!
Mar 07 20:44:06 <Crofton> minimal is for people who are serisou about minimal :)
Mar 07 21:05:29 <Timelord> Well opie r9 cratered.  Lets try that again. x_x
Mar 07 21:05:35 * Timelord re-updates.
Mar 07 21:06:30 <dcordes_> Timelord, after the 94th flash/update it becomse routine :)
Mar 07 21:07:11 <Timelord> No.  Opie R9 updates.  On boot the backlight does not light.  One can make out console text 'mio-fb: null info->mode' repeated twice.  That is all.
Mar 07 21:07:39 <Timelord> dcordes_: Yarr.
Mar 07 21:07:55 * Timelord has always regretted buying a tosa.
Mar 07 21:08:20 <Timelord> So much potential lost to piss poor design choices.
Mar 07 21:08:40 <Timelord> ...and support...and treatment...and marketing...
Mar 07 21:20:52 <Timelord> hrmm
Mar 07 21:20:58 <Timelord> Same for r9 x11
Mar 07 21:28:56 <hvontres|work> Timelord: hmmm, maybe the latest tosa fixes for 2.6.24 didn't make it in yet... IIRC the r8 images are still on 2.6.23. Also, feel free to open up bugreports at http://bugs.openembedded.org
Mar 07 21:31:00 <Timelord> "Bug ####: Shit don't work."
Mar 07 21:31:06 * Timelord snickers.
Mar 07 21:34:21 <dcordes_> an obvious case of pebcam to my eyes 
Mar 07 21:36:33 <Timelord> heh
Mar 07 21:37:29 * Timelord has been fiddling with this for hours and getting nowhere. He has many hours more of fiddling before he has enough for a bug report beyond "shit don't work".
Mar 07 22:08:23 <hvontres|work> Timelord: don't worry too much... we can weed out those id10T errors :)
Mar 07 22:08:53 <Timelord> Hey, what are you trying to say there.
Mar 07 22:10:25 <hvontres|work> Timelord: just that there are no dumb bug reporters, just dumb bugs :)
Mar 07 22:10:55 <Timelord> Riiiiight.
Mar 07 22:18:11 <marlon_> hey everybody
Mar 07 22:18:19 <marlon_> 2.6.23 for poodle is out!! :D :D
Mar 07 22:18:41 <marlon_> i do have a quick question tho.. are there any changes to the way wifi is set up?
Mar 07 22:19:49 <hvontres|work> marlon_: not that I am aware of. 
Mar 07 22:20:11 <hvontres|work> marlon_: but the SD driver is better.
Mar 07 22:20:27 <marlon_> hmm ok..  i am having trouble with my wifi card, it used to connect but now it doesnt seem to want to
Mar 07 22:20:36 <marlon_> yes i am very happy about the sdhc support!
Mar 07 22:20:38 <hvontres|work> marlon_: which card?
Mar 07 22:20:57 <marlon_> and i noticed hostap loads automatically now too :)
Mar 07 22:21:03 <marlon_> its a sandisk connect plus
Mar 07 22:21:10 <hvontres|work> marlon_: is sdhc in 2.6.23? I thought it will be in 2.6.24
Mar 07 22:21:26 * hvontres|work only has regular SD cards
Mar 07 22:21:40 <marlon_> haha yeah it is in 2.6.23 because im booting off one :)
Mar 07 22:22:02 <marlon_> so now i have 8 gigs of glorious root fs space
Mar 07 22:22:10 <hvontres|work> marlon_: cool.... now I need to go check the fry's ad when I get home...
Mar 07 22:23:09 <marlon_> fry's?
Mar 07 22:25:27 <hvontres|work> marlon_: local electronics store in southern CA... loves to have weekly Loss leader specals to get you in the door
Mar 07 22:25:41 <marlon_> oh haha alright
Mar 07 22:26:00 <marlon_> there are lots of sdhc cards on ebay too if you're looking for one.. i spent 33 dollars with shipping for an 8 gig card
Mar 07 22:27:38 <marlon_> is there anyone in here who might help me troubleshoot my wifi? i think it is very close to working...
Mar 07 22:28:47 <hvontres|work> marlon_: what is the isssue again?
Mar 07 22:29:29 <marlon_> well the card is detected, and iwconfig shows a good connection to the correct essid
Mar 07 22:29:35 <marlon_> but i cant ping anything...
Mar 07 22:30:38 <marlon_> and every 10 seconds or so the light on the card blinks off for half a second
Mar 07 22:30:44 <marlon_> usually it stays on solid when im connected
Mar 07 22:31:07 <hvontres|work> marlon_: any encryption?
Mar 07 22:31:54 <marlon_> wpa, but i tried connecting to an unencrypted network and got the same results
Mar 07 22:32:10 <marlon_> wpa has always worked before
Mar 07 22:32:39 <krait> hi
Mar 07 22:32:50 <marlon_> hey krait
Mar 07 22:32:56 <krait> does anybody know if enlightenment (e-wm) will be in the feed again?
Mar 07 22:33:28 <marlon_> sry no i dont
Mar 07 22:33:34 <hvontres|work> marlon_: did you make sure the router knows your MAC address? also you might need to double check your /etc/network/interfaces file
Mar 07 22:33:48 <marlon_> hmm.. iwconfig shows high numbers for invalid crypt and invalid misc
Mar 07 22:34:05 <marlon_> and those numbers are increasing very quickly...
Mar 07 22:35:30 <marlon_> i will check my router table
Mar 07 22:35:45 <marlon_> my etc/network/interfaces file i copied from my previous angstrom installation, which worked ok
Mar 07 22:44:49 <marlon_> hmm.. my poodle is not showing up in my router's "dhcp active ip table"
Mar 07 22:44:58 <marlon_> so its obviously not communicating properly
Mar 07 22:45:19 <marlon_> all those invalid packets shown by iwconfig must have something to do with it
Mar 07 22:45:32 <marlon_> im gonna try disabling wpa
Mar 07 22:47:45 <marlon_> oh wow.. my mistake
Mar 07 22:47:45 <marlon_> apparently wpa is the problem
Mar 07 22:47:50 <marlon_> so now.. what has changed with wpa in recent versions of angstrom?
Mar 07 22:51:40 <marlon_> im not sure if my last message got sent..
Mar 07 22:51:50 <marlon_> does anyone know how to set up wpa in the latest angstrom version?
Mar 07 22:56:27 <krait> u have a CF wifi card?
Mar 07 22:57:39 <marlon_> yes
Mar 07 22:58:23 <krait> i didn't know there are any cards that support wpa ... mine only has wep :(
Mar 07 22:59:28 <marlon_> i think wpa is done in software.. 
Mar 07 22:59:36 <marlon_> but im not 100% on that
Mar 07 23:00:07 <marlon_> ive heard some cards need a firmware upgrade, which kinda makes it sound like hardware..
Mar 07 23:00:51 <krait> i see
Mar 07 23:01:55 <marlon_> what kind of card do you have?
Mar 07 23:02:46 <krait> PLANEX GW-CF11X
Mar 07 23:05:55 <marlon_> hmm ok i dont know about that one, but if you look in the angstrom manual there are instructions for setting up wpa
Mar 07 23:06:09 <marlon_> i am only having trouble with the latest version, but previous ones worked
Mar 07 23:06:20 <marlon_> i can try and help you get it working
Mar 07 23:07:41 <krait> thanks for the info
Mar 07 23:08:14 <high_roller> does anyone know how to format the /home directory on a zaurus sl-5600 ?
Mar 07 23:08:25 <high_roller> I'm selling mine and need to clear the data off
Mar 07 23:09:36 <NAbyss> high_roller: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/home-partition bs=2048
Mar 07 23:09:52 <NAbyss> That'll nuke it..
Mar 07 23:10:06 <NAbyss> You probably want to do a mkfs afterwards to create the partition again
Mar 07 23:10:33 <high_roller> NAbyss: I didn't see a utility for making a jffs2 filesystem
Mar 07 23:11:01 <NAbyss> high_roller: You may need to install the ipk for it
Mar 07 23:11:37 <krait> thanks a lot marlon, i just found out that my card should support wpa - i found something on the web: IEEE802.11b 42.8x11x60.5mm 18g WEP/WPA This CF Wifi Card is compatible with the Sharp Zaurus
Mar 07 23:11:49 <krait> thought it only supports wep *g*
Mar 07 23:12:32 <marlon_> good to hear
Mar 07 23:13:06 <marlon_> like i said check in the angstrom manual, which is in the wiki, and there are instructions
Mar 07 23:13:55 <krait> ok thanks
Mar 07 23:18:56 <hvontres|work> high_roller: rm -rf /home/*
Mar 07 23:19:32 <hvontres|work> high_roller: sorry to hear your going to be poodle-less
Mar 07 23:19:56 <krait> or use shred if that command exists
Mar 07 23:20:54 <hvontres|work> krait: I don't think shred works too well on jffs2.... plus repeated writes to the smae flash block would be a baaad idea
Mar 07 23:21:14 <high_roller> hvontres|work: well I can't get my network card to work at all
Mar 07 23:21:41 <krait> hvontres: ok you're right, didn't think about the flash
Mar 07 23:23:17 <marlon_> high_roller: that saddens me.  i think network card support is improving all the time
Mar 07 23:23:32 <marlon_> on my poodle, i have to re-insert the card a bunch of times before it auto-detects it
Mar 07 23:24:40 <krait> gotta go - marlon thanks for your help - i wish everyone a nice day here. bye
Mar 07 23:24:52 <marlon_> later krait
Mar 07 23:25:00 <high_roller> marlon_: I have an smc ez connect and it sees the card, and I can scan for networks, but for some reason dhcp is not working
Mar 07 23:27:11 <high_roller> I'm trying to get wireless-tools installed using my cf card, but it keeps asking for ulibc
Mar 07 23:27:15 <high_roller> I'm trying to get wireless-tools installed using my cf card, but it keeps asking for uclibc
Mar 07 23:27:57 <high_roller> I'm running the latest opie image
Mar 07 23:28:02 <high_roller> is there a better image to try?
Mar 07 23:41:18 <hvontres|work> high_roller: you might want to try the console image to see if wireless tools works there. I think the opie images are suffeing from a little bit-rot. I'll try to get that fixed this weekend.
Mar 07 23:41:44 <hvontres|work> marlon_: are you using opie or one of the other images
Mar 07 23:48:25 <hvontres|work> well, time to get ready to go home. have a nice weekend 
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Mar 08 00:25:00 <high_roller> well, the my network card works fine with x11 image
Mar 08 00:25:49 <high_roller> but the x11 image is kinda slow
Mar 08 00:40:06 <high_roller> hmm the x11 image works, but it takes up all my RAM
Mar 08 00:42:15 <high_roller> ok wait I'm not paying attention
Mar 08 01:38:52 <Whyvas> can anyone help me with a bricked zaurus? When I try to get into the service menu all I get is a flashing light, any ideas?
Mar 08 01:54:22 <johnx> I got that once and it turned out to be a flakey battery
Mar 08 01:55:46 <johnx> does your zaurus look like it's charging if you leave it off?
Mar 08 02:00:05 <high_roller> hmm gpe really does eat the RAM on my zaurus
Mar 08 02:00:27 <Whyvas> johnx the battery was fine
Mar 08 02:00:39 <Whyvas> I tried to flash uboot and it screwed up then bam
Mar 08 02:00:46 <Whyvas> no lights when plugged in
Mar 08 02:00:50 <johnx> ah :/
Mar 08 02:00:54 <high_roller> not even enought ram to for wget to install pacakges
Mar 08 02:00:58 <Whyvas> yeah I am getting scared
Mar 08 02:01:10 <johnx> high_roller, which zaurus? are you on a C700 or 5600?
Mar 08 02:01:12 <Whyvas> high_roller use a swap
Mar 08 02:02:48 <high_roller> johnx: 5600
Mar 08 02:03:15 <high_roller> Whyvas: should i put the swap on a sd card?
Mar 08 02:04:10 <Whyvas> yeah
Mar 08 02:04:38 <high_roller> I wonder if fluxbox would work on the zaurus ...
Mar 08 02:04:58 <johnx> no reason it wouldn't...matchbox is ligher though, I think
Mar 08 02:05:17 <Whyvas> ugh
Mar 08 02:05:23 <Whyvas> i wish my zaurus wasn't fucked.
Mar 08 02:05:59 <johnx> well, ok. What zaurus do you have and which maintanence menus have you tried?
Mar 08 02:07:10 <Whyvas> c1000
Mar 08 02:07:25 <Whyvas> dm does nothing, dc gives me the flashing lights
Mar 08 02:11:37 <johnx> I'm looking to see if there's anything else you can do...
Mar 08 02:14:31 <Whyvas> i havn't found anything!
Mar 08 02:14:36 <Whyvas> driving me crazy.
Mar 08 02:16:39 <Sketch> make sure you are using the right sequence for your zaurus model..
Mar 08 02:16:40 <Sketch> http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=%22Secret%22_Key_Combinations
Mar 08 02:17:57 <johnx> Sketch, that is a great page to know about!
Mar 08 02:17:58 <johnx> thanks
Mar 08 02:21:29 <Sketch> i found it pretty hard to get into the service menu the first time on my 3100
Mar 08 02:21:44 <Sketch> had to hold down d+b while putting the battery back in
Mar 08 02:21:54 <Sketch> not sure if d+b reset has to be done while the battery is put back in or not
Mar 08 02:40:17 <Whyvas> ugh
Mar 08 02:40:35 <johnx> d+b not working?
Mar 08 03:38:30 <Whyvas> nope
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