**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 23 02:59:56 2008 Mar 23 10:13:11 hi Mar 23 10:59:34 any slug users about? Mar 23 10:59:42 ?? Mar 23 10:59:47 nslu2 Mar 23 11:00:01 ive been trying to get angstrom on mine... Mar 23 11:00:20 * XorA is not a sluggy Mar 23 11:00:30 didnt even see one in taipei to buy Mar 23 11:00:52 rwhitby is normally the man to ask Mar 23 11:01:46 ive built a few images with oe, Mar 23 11:01:59 and all have worked to a greater or lesser extent, Mar 23 11:02:05 but the last one has me a bit puzzled. Mar 23 11:03:33 with my first few attempts i seemed to have a bit of space left over to install a few packages, but my aim is to get it to boot from an external drive (or at least mount / on an external drive), Mar 23 11:03:48 so last night i built a kernel with the usb stuff, and some filesystem stuff built in. Mar 23 11:03:52 first, what's your device ? Mar 23 11:04:05 it works fine, but suddenly ive only got 1.2MB free! Mar 23 11:04:19 not enough to install the goddamn boot loader environment variable editor thingy... Mar 23 11:04:29 mimecar: nslu2, (thin version sadly) Mar 23 11:04:40 * CoreDump|afk is rather reluctant to change his slugs over to angstrom....slugos is working just fine Mar 23 11:04:46 i wonder if ive corrupted my flash somehow.... Mar 23 11:05:09 compilation can be bigger than memory Mar 23 11:05:25 CoreDump|afk: yeah, tbh, if i was sane, id prob. put debian on it, Mar 23 11:05:42 but i like angstrom quite a bit, and it seemed like a fun little project. Mar 23 11:07:01 are you compiling your images from .dev or angstrom stable? Mar 23 11:07:06 .dev Mar 23 11:07:10 (i think) ;P Mar 23 11:07:15 =) Mar 23 11:07:53 my build machine is switched off atm, but the build directory is under org.openembedded.dev. Mar 23 11:08:00 would dev be a bigger image? Mar 23 11:08:33 no idea. Mar 23 11:09:05 http://rafb.net/p/Oz2fzD61.html <- I sometimes wonder why I bought that build machine at all. (looks at Idle time) Mar 23 11:09:34 i think i need to go chat with some of the dudes in #nslu2-linux once ive drunk some coffee. Mar 23 11:09:47 they can at least tell me if ive done something wierdo to my flash. Mar 23 11:09:54 indeed Mar 23 11:10:28 coffee good Mar 23 11:10:47 mehhhh,someone is using my nick again grrr Mar 23 11:10:55 outrageous Mar 23 11:12:09 * CoreDump high-fives nickserve Mar 23 11:13:01 muhahahahahah Mar 23 11:28:17 bah Mar 23 11:28:27 the horrid nslu2 people are all sleeping. Mar 23 11:28:48 probably too full of chocolate eggs Mar 23 11:28:56 *shudder* Mar 23 11:29:37 xDD Mar 23 11:29:39 dont like chocolate either? Mar 23 11:29:58 i only like extremely expensive chocolate, with a very high cocoa content. Mar 23 11:30:09 the kind where one or two bites is more than enough thankyou very much. Mar 23 11:30:32 heh, I was going to say I only like white chocolate or stuff so dark it pulls the light out of the room Mar 23 11:30:48 but yeah, i think its a bit overrated. i have to be in the right frame of mind. Mar 23 11:31:25 the sort of desperate craving for love frame of mind that is caused by not being able to edit the crazy bootloader things environment variables! Mar 23 11:31:40 heh heh Mar 23 11:36:41 "stuff so dark it pulls the light out of the room" LOL Mar 23 11:47:44 HRH_H_Crab, there has been some talk about the switch to opkg bringing in more dependencies and this causes slug problems Mar 23 11:51:31 Crofton: will opkg create more problems than ipkg ? Mar 23 11:51:57 that all depends on your point of view :) Mar 23 11:52:21 if ipkg is not maintened, it can be good have some problems ;) Mar 23 11:52:24 the slug has very small flash, so some of opkg's features will likely need disabling Mar 23 11:52:42 I do not know much more than I read on the list Mar 23 11:53:00 Crofton: aaah Mar 23 11:53:32 i wonder if thats the issue. Mar 23 11:55:39 Crofton: do you mean the entire opkg framework, or the packages it installs? Mar 23 11:56:16 if its the former, then that could be an awesome candidate for fixing this problem. Mar 23 11:56:21 s/fixing/explaining Mar 23 11:56:56 HRH_H_Crab, all I know is what I read on the .dev list Mar 23 11:57:22 is the same program than openmoko, isn't it? Mar 23 11:57:40 mimecar: i think so. Mar 23 11:57:46 yeah Mar 23 11:58:05 then, the openmoko developers had fixed the problems Mar 23 11:59:41 openhand are actually the ones maintaining opkg Mar 23 11:59:54 ok Mar 23 12:00:17 Thomas from openhand so its in good hands Mar 23 12:00:35 HRH_H_Crab: "horrid nslu2 people"? Mar 23 12:00:37 Openmoko just asked them to do it, but we dont actually do the code Mar 23 12:01:59 lets just say that the forced "transition" from ipkg to opkg has not been managed that well, and has broken a number of small-flash distributions. Mar 23 12:02:40 why is not uset apt or rpm instead ipkg / opkg? Mar 23 12:02:48 slugs tend to be the canary for anything that boosts the size of the basic image components ... Mar 23 12:03:02 * Crofton suspects they would fill the flash on something like a slug :) Mar 23 12:03:08 but then if you're building from .dev, and are not reading the .dev mailing list, .... Mar 23 12:05:03 * rwhitby has given up on trying to build anything from .dev for at least a couple of weeks until the staging and opkg dust settles. Then it will take a couple of weeks to get everything building again I expect. Mar 23 12:09:06 rwhitby: i was only gently teasing. Mar 23 12:09:28 if im honest, i cant find much evidence of opkg in this build except the name of the feeds directory. Mar 23 12:09:28 ok Mar 23 12:09:59 ./configure --disable-gpg returns opkg to ipkg features anyway Mar 23 12:10:15 I specifically asked for that switch Mar 23 12:10:20 i futzed with that for about 5 mins, did some googling, renamed it to ipkg, and then tried to install apex-env. Mar 23 12:10:45 rwhitby: do you think thats where all the space has gone, which i seemed to have a couple of weeks back? Mar 23 12:11:12 HRH_H_Crab: no idea, and I'm not bothering to look at until until the dust settles. Mar 23 12:11:17 heh Mar 23 12:11:19 fair play Mar 23 12:12:15 HRH_H_Crab: look at a directory something like this tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080323-fic-gta01-testlab/ Mar 23 12:12:24 HRH_H_Crab: that tells you where space has gone Mar 23 12:13:00 i think my next project may be to teach myself how to build the release version, rather than the dev one! ;) Mar 23 14:34:24 http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/ =D Mar 23 16:01:28 can I disable updates of one package? Mar 23 16:05:11 there is an ipkg/opkg hold, but in ipkg it didnt work very well Mar 23 16:05:29 try it, if it fails file a bug against opkg Mar 23 16:05:30 i would like block kernel updates Mar 23 16:05:50 i lost my wifi card on last upgrade Mar 23 16:08:08 XorA|gone: do oplg works more or less than ipkg? Mar 23 16:08:42 opkg is at least maintained so bugs hopefully get fixed Mar 23 16:09:03 opkg is a fork of the last OE version of ipkg Mar 23 16:09:10 i know that Mar 23 17:35:55 hi andieh Mar 23 17:36:07 ai Mar 23 18:38:38 Hi, all! Mar 23 20:10:51 i have a request: If anyone knows of a site that offeres screen shots of what angstrom looks like i would love to see it. If anyone wishes to take screen shots of their units and send or post them that would be wonderfull as well Mar 23 20:11:00 btw i run zaurus 3200 Mar 23 20:11:31 but any screenshot of an installed angstrom would be great Mar 23 20:14:27 nevermind. i did something kinda basic i googled for them and found these http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleverswine/tags/angstrom/ Mar 23 20:18:18 totall_6_7, angstrom is just the distro. you can have different guis on it Mar 23 20:19:37 yes thank you. So was the default distro that came with my Zaurus and it sucked big time lol Mar 23 20:20:00 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Mar 23 20:20:10 totall_6_7: theres some more, including mine! :P Mar 23 20:20:19 thanks!!! Mar 23 20:20:44 damn i want a fic neo. Mar 23 20:21:27 totall_6_7: actually its a bit of an openmoko fest... Mar 23 20:21:31 HRH_H_Crab: yours is a phone correct> Mar 23 20:21:33 ? Mar 23 20:21:34 but mines on there anyway. Mar 23 20:21:36 nope Mar 23 20:21:38 mines the borzoi Mar 23 20:21:51 or listed as borzoi anyway. Mar 23 20:23:00 yours is a dog? Mar 23 20:23:18 hehehe sorry all i see on google for borzoi is dogs Mar 23 20:23:42 but nice screen shots thanks ! Mar 23 20:24:35 yeah all the zaurus models are codenamed after dogs. i think mine is technically a terrier, but its pretty confusing. Mar 23 20:25:41 mine is something or other i can never remember. to me its the 3200 Mar 23 20:28:09 HRH_H_Crab: it looks like the gui you choose is more like pda style than laptop/desktop style correct? Mar 23 20:28:44 oh nm Mar 23 20:28:53 i didnt go far enough in the pics Mar 23 20:59:44 totall_6_7: yep Mar 23 21:00:24 its pda style, but in the sense that its optimised for a smaller screen. Mar 23 21:00:35 in reality the z feels much more like a laptop than a pda to me. Mar 23 21:01:14 it does to me too now that i have pdaxii13 on it. I am wondering if zngstrom is a better stystem Mar 23 21:01:18 system even Mar 23 21:01:37 angstrom even Mar 23 21:01:44 lol man my typing today Mar 23 22:08:52 bye! Mar 23 22:21:18 are the spitz images on the website 2.6.24-r5? Mar 23 22:25:40 nm Mar 24 00:06:41 Hi all, I've notice a few packages in Angstrom leave recently and those that were working are now not. Mar 24 00:06:46 dillo2 gone Mar 24 00:06:51 ipatience gone Mar 24 00:07:02 mono comes up with errors even with helloworld Mar 24 00:07:19 Does anyone know why? Mar 24 00:07:48 dillo2 was probably just never requested Mar 24 00:07:57 same with ipatience Mar 24 00:08:09 mono Im not sure Mar 24 00:08:41 how do you request them? Mar 24 00:09:22 I cant remeber if its a bug item or an email to list Mar 24 00:09:45 * XorA|gone is ouch of touch with Angstrom stable Mar 24 00:11:05 koen posted the URL with instructions hwo to get stuff from .dev to stable again Mar 24 00:12:13 Crofton: this isnt dev-stable this is stable-feeds Mar 24 00:12:24 urg Mar 24 00:12:28 I get cinfused Mar 24 00:13:11 one day I need to go through a feed setup so I understand what you guys are talking about Mar 24 00:13:41 but, i think I will go skiing instead :) Mar 24 00:14:59 where are the unstable feeds? Mar 24 00:16:21 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ Mar 24 00:16:23 i guess.. Mar 24 00:18:24 look in the contrib directory for the file which says what's in the angstrom feed Mar 24 00:19:11 hey rwhitby Mar 24 00:19:13 hows it going? Mar 24 00:20:28 it's a public holiday, that's always good :-) Mar 24 00:21:20 thats an extremely good point. Mar 24 00:25:03 HRH_H_Crab: tthanks Mar 24 00:25:43 np **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 24 02:59:57 2008