**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 02 02:59:57 2008
Apr 02 07:09:49 <larry1981> What is best between Angstrom and SlugOS for NSLU2 ?
Apr 02 07:14:24 <HRH_H_Crab> larry1981: at the risk of being controversial, if you want functionality, go for slugos. angstrom needs a fair bit of work on nslu2 imvho.
Apr 02 07:14:43 <HRH_H_Crab> having said that, ive beeen playing with oe and bitbake, and had a lot of fun with it.
Apr 02 07:14:53 <HRH_H_Crab> (getting angstrom on my slug i mean)
Apr 02 07:31:36 <larry1981> ok, I'll stick to slugos then :)
Apr 02 07:31:40 <larry1981> thank you for the advice
Apr 02 07:58:04 <rwhitby> HRH_H_Crab: yeah, maybe in 6 months the functionality of slugos can be replicated in angstrom for the nslu2, but not today.
Apr 02 07:59:03 <HRH_H_Crab> theres only really two things which are "missing" i reckon, or two sort of gotchas.
Apr 02 07:59:15 <HRH_H_Crab> theres the password issue, but it looks like that is being addressed,
Apr 02 08:00:01 <HRH_H_Crab> and i feel apex-env needs to be shoe-horned into base-image personally.
Apr 02 08:00:15 <HRH_H_Crab> if it had those two, id be laughing.
Apr 02 08:00:22 <rwhitby> HRH_H_Crab: who is addressing the password issue?
Apr 02 08:00:35 <rwhitby> and for apex-env, you just ipkg install it first.
Apr 02 08:00:40 <HRH_H_Crab> rwhitby: i think koen was talking about it on the mailing list.
Apr 02 08:00:52 <HRH_H_Crab> rwhitby: the last working build i had didnt have enough space ;/
Apr 02 08:01:04 <rwhitby> (the definition of base-image is such that if it can be installed after booting for the first time, then it shouldn't be in base image)
Apr 02 08:01:06 <HRH_H_Crab> only had 1.2MB left on my slug after install.
Apr 02 08:01:19 <rwhitby> still plenty of room for apex-env
Apr 02 08:01:24 <HRH_H_Crab> i worked out that apex-env needed about double that.
Apr 02 08:01:28 <HRH_H_Crab> (including deps)
Apr 02 08:01:31 <rwhitby> huh?
Apr 02 08:01:58 <rwhitby> apex-env has no deps
Apr 02 08:02:08 <HRH_H_Crab> it wanted some clib thing.
Apr 02 08:02:15 <HRH_H_Crab> and another dependency too.
Apr 02 08:02:31 <HRH_H_Crab> 3 packages in total.
Apr 02 08:02:35 <rwhitby> there's no deps listed in the apex-env .bb file
Apr 02 08:02:37 <HRH_H_Crab> this was angstrom dev
Apr 02 08:02:42 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm.
Apr 02 08:02:46 <HRH_H_Crab> strange.
Apr 02 08:02:49 <rwhitby> something else must be pulling in those packages
Apr 02 08:03:58 <HRH_H_Crab> well, as i say i was messing with angstrom dev, and since then i switched to trying to build the "stable" version, but for some odd reason (most likely pebkac) ive not had any luck getting a stable image which i can ssh into.
Apr 02 08:17:21 <rwhitby> HRH_H_Crab: with the massive changes underway in OE at the moment, I haven't bothered to look at Angstrom/NSLU2 to try and fix anything
Apr 02 08:18:02 <HRH_H_Crab> rwhitby: well, im patient regarding this stuff anyway.
Apr 02 08:18:16 <HRH_H_Crab> if i was desperate for functionality id prob. look at deb in the first instance.
Apr 02 08:18:34 <HRH_H_Crab> im playing with angstrom because i really like it on my z.
Apr 02 08:18:34 <rwhitby> I use slugos on my two slugs.
Apr 02 09:10:32 <scops> hello there
Apr 02 09:11:07 <scops> could someone tell me how to edit the bootsplash? (oz 3.5.4.1)
Apr 02 09:30:12 <scops> no one here?! -.-"
Apr 02 09:50:38 <scops> oha somebody from germany... hello andieh
Apr 02 11:23:17 <dcordes> scops, OZ is old and obsoleted by angstrom
Apr 02 11:24:50 <scops> yes
Apr 02 11:24:52 <scops> i know
Apr 02 11:24:57 <scops> i would use angstrom
Apr 02 11:25:00 <scops> if i could ;)
Apr 02 13:50:07 <codyl> whats the new default password for slug images ?
Apr 02 13:50:17 <codyl> (and no, I couldn't find it on the wiki..)
Apr 02 13:52:46 <HRH_H_Crab> codyl: there isnt one.
Apr 02 13:53:18 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, root says permission denied
Apr 02 13:53:33 <HRH_H_Crab> you need to build a new image using bitbake
Apr 02 13:53:53 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, this is off the website 
Apr 02 13:53:58 <codyl> 2007.12 release
Apr 02 13:54:04 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah i know.
Apr 02 13:54:22 <HRH_H_Crab> i think most people with slugs have the serial hack,
Apr 02 13:54:31 <HRH_H_Crab> so its not an issue for them.
Apr 02 13:54:36 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, so..I'm screwed?
Apr 02 13:54:43 <HRH_H_Crab> nope
Apr 02 13:55:02 <HRH_H_Crab> you can build a new image and seed /etc/passwd
Apr 02 13:55:28 <codyl> I have to build a whole new image!?
Apr 02 13:55:36 <HRH_H_Crab> if you look uner packages/base-passwd you will find a slugos folder
Apr 02 13:55:57 <HRH_H_Crab> copy the patch to ../ and build a new image.
Apr 02 13:56:09 <codyl> wow
Apr 02 13:56:17 <codyl> and nobody has done this already..?
Apr 02 13:56:19 <HRH_H_Crab> the password will then be opeNSLUg
Apr 02 13:56:31 <HRH_H_Crab> codyl: its being looked at i think.
Apr 02 13:56:36 <codyl> ...
Apr 02 13:56:40 <codyl> someone share a binary ?
Apr 02 13:56:48 <HRH_H_Crab> hehl
Apr 02 13:57:06 <codyl> not to sound mean, but this just seems f**kin ridiculous 
Apr 02 13:57:09 <HRH_H_Crab> somone on the list asked me to do that, but ive been too lazy
Apr 02 13:57:44 <HRH_H_Crab> codyl: i think angstrom is not (yet) the best choice os for slugs as an end user
Apr 02 13:58:06 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, I'm not really an end user per se .. I do OE && BB work
Apr 02 13:58:14 <HRH_H_Crab> hahah
Apr 02 13:58:22 <codyl> haha?
Apr 02 13:58:25 <HRH_H_Crab> well i AM an end user,
Apr 02 13:58:40 <HRH_H_Crab> and i had to go through that stuff!
Apr 02 13:59:24 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, wow, I'm sorry 
Apr 02 13:59:36 <HRH_H_Crab> no its cool
Apr 02 13:59:38 <codyl> to be fair, OE is amazing compared to what other options you have
Apr 02 13:59:40 <HRH_H_Crab> was fun
Apr 02 13:59:56 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah oe / bb are amazing
Apr 02 14:00:11 <codyl> .bb files can get annoying, but have you tried making a debian package
Apr 02 14:00:12 <codyl> heh
Apr 02 14:00:24 <HRH_H_Crab> im a gentoo user so i sort of knew (a bit) what to expect.
Apr 02 14:00:48 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, so what are you using angstrom for?
Apr 02 14:01:07 <HRH_H_Crab> well i use it on my z, and really like it.
Apr 02 14:01:21 <HRH_H_Crab> so i thought id play with it on my slug.
Apr 02 14:01:23 <codyl> wow, people still use zauruses ?
Apr 02 14:01:32 <HRH_H_Crab> yes!
Apr 02 14:01:43 <HRH_H_Crab> i love my z its awesome.
Apr 02 14:01:45 <codyl> great little toys, damn overpriced 
Apr 02 14:01:58 <codyl> as far as hardware goes, ive yet to see something nicer
Apr 02 14:02:10 <codyl> usable keyboard, nice screen 
Apr 02 14:02:11 <HRH_H_Crab> who wouldnt love a mp3 player which lets you irc on the bus!?
Apr 02 14:02:24 <codyl> the nokia devices are getting pretty nice though
Apr 02 14:02:27 <codyl> and cheaper
Apr 02 14:02:28 <Sketch> i just spent 40 minutes irc'ing on the train
Apr 02 14:02:28 <codyl> $200 
Apr 02 14:02:44 <HRH_H_Crab> some of those tytn phones are cool but i hate windows
Apr 02 14:02:59 <codyl> windows?
Apr 02 14:03:03 <codyl> who said anything about windows?
Apr 02 14:03:14 <HRH_H_Crab> well what i mean is,
Apr 02 14:03:15 <codyl> nokia linux pads
Apr 02 14:03:16 <Sketch> nokia = series 60 = slow java crap ;)
Apr 02 14:03:23 <HRH_H_Crab> if you take out the os,
Apr 02 14:03:24 <Sketch> oh, n800
Apr 02 14:03:27 <Sketch> yeah, those look nice ;)
Apr 02 14:03:28 <codyl> *yes*
Apr 02 14:03:30 <codyl> :-P
Apr 02 14:03:35 <HRH_H_Crab> those phones are the closest match to a z
Apr 02 14:03:38 <codyl> very nice, and $300
Apr 02 14:03:42 <codyl> ** 200
Apr 02 14:03:47 <Sketch> espeically now that they have one with a keyboard
Apr 02 14:03:48 <HRH_H_Crab> i havent seen the nokia stuff.
Apr 02 14:03:53 <codyl> look into them
Apr 02 14:04:11 <Sketch> HRH_H_Crab: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars
Apr 02 14:04:13 <HRH_H_Crab> id rather keep my z for the moment :)
Apr 02 14:04:32 <HRH_H_Crab> quite like to pair it with a neo though one day.
Apr 02 14:04:36 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, whats kowloon.dim-sum.org ? :-P
Apr 02 14:04:37 <Sketch> until the latest version, they had no keyboard, which was the major defficiency compared to the zaurus
Apr 02 14:04:50 <HRH_H_Crab> codyl: my home machine
Apr 02 14:04:54 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, the Neo will be a while .. 
Apr 02 14:04:58 <HRH_H_Crab> p2 350
Apr 02 14:04:59 <Sketch> the keyboard is probably still smaller/harder to type on than the z though
Apr 02 14:05:02 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 02 14:05:35 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway... back to work gents!
Apr 02 14:05:54 <codyl> Im really amazed you got dim-sum.org
Apr 02 14:05:57 <codyl> ya, later 
Apr 02 14:05:58 <codyl> thanks for the help
Apr 02 14:07:57 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, btw- figured it out
Apr 02 14:08:23 <codyl> its botched in the actual release- just download the final RC before it (v11, RC 3) 
Apr 02 14:33:18 <HRH_H_Crab> codyl: great news. are you going to put apex-env on it?
Apr 02 14:34:08 <codyl> HRH_H_Crab, what will apex do that uboot doesnt
Apr 02 14:34:54 <HRH_H_Crab> i dont know! ;P
Apr 02 14:35:04 <codyl> I meant redboot
Apr 02 14:35:05 <HRH_H_Crab> i just want to "pivot root" if thats the right term,
Apr 02 14:35:10 <codyl> and I like redboot 
Apr 02 14:35:14 <HRH_H_Crab> to something a bit bigger!
Apr 02 14:35:25 <HRH_H_Crab> i think redboot is before apex-env.
Apr 02 14:35:44 <HRH_H_Crab> it just allows you to boot the kernel with a different device for /
Apr 02 14:36:27 <HRH_H_Crab> also, what was the password in that image? just null?
Apr 02 14:37:41 <codyl> ya, no password
Apr 02 14:37:57 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm. this is all really strange.
Apr 02 14:38:15 <HRH_H_Crab> i thought that all the angstrom images set the password as null,
Apr 02 14:38:37 <HRH_H_Crab> but it didnt work on any of them, as dropbear won't let you use that for a ssh login.
Apr 02 14:38:46 <codyl> oh, they do- its just openssh is picky, dropbear isnt
Apr 02 14:38:54 <codyl> or other way around..cant remember
Apr 02 14:39:01 <HRH_H_Crab> now on machines with a terminal that wasnt a problem, because you could su - from the console and then just set it.
Apr 02 14:39:16 <HRH_H_Crab> so i cant understand how that is working, but if it is, fantastic!
Apr 02 14:39:26 <codyl> ya, lol
Apr 02 16:13:55 <mimecar> hi
Apr 02 16:14:47 <summatusmentis> mimecar: you quiro practicar mi espanol. Tienes ideas como puedo hacer lo?
Apr 02 16:14:59 <mimecar> hello summatusmentis
Apr 02 16:15:19 <mimecar> you can enter on irc hispano (a spanish irc server such as freenode)
Apr 02 16:16:02 <mimecar> use the server irc.irc-hispano.org
Apr 02 16:17:03 <summatusmentis> recommendations on channels?
Apr 02 16:17:30 <mimecar> is eaasier start on technical channels, after you can use more general channels
Apr 02 16:17:48 <mimecar> technical => #c #python #symbian ...
Apr 02 16:19:11 <summatusmentis> I don't know any technical terms in spanish
Apr 02 16:19:26 <mimecar> are the same in english
Apr 02 16:19:43 <mimecar> or you can enter on a channel, read and on near future , talk
Apr 02 16:19:56 <summatusmentis> so the word compile, for instance, is the same in spanish?
Apr 02 16:20:11 <mimecar> is not the same...
Apr 02 16:20:26 <mimecar> but technichal english / spanish is easier than "normal" language
Apr 02 16:20:37 <mimecar> babelfish or worreferences are your friends
Apr 02 16:20:45 <mimecar> if you don't know words
Apr 02 16:20:48 <summatusmentis> I suppose... i had a decent amount of spanish
Apr 02 16:21:02 <mimecar> first read, after, write
Apr 02 16:21:18 <summatusmentis> makes sense
Apr 02 16:21:34 <mimecar> I cand speak in spanish tiwth you, if you want
Apr 02 16:21:56 <summatusmentis> maybe sometime, I'd appreciate that, just not right now
Apr 02 16:22:55 <mimecar> we can speak with jabber or msn on spanish and here in english
Apr 02 16:26:00 <summatusmentis> mimecar: that would be ok with me, I'm just in class right now
Apr 02 16:26:15 <mimecar> we can speak later
Apr 02 16:29:54 <mimecar> hi kolla
Apr 02 16:32:42 <kolla> hello
Apr 02 16:33:12 <kolla> hm.. maybe there's someone with knowledge about gumsticks here as well?
Apr 02 16:33:24 <kolla> gumstix
Apr 02 16:33:32 <mimecar> what's gumstix?
Apr 02 16:33:47 <kolla> http://gumstix.com :)
Apr 02 16:33:49 <summatusmentis> I've heard of it, don't know that much about them
Apr 02 16:34:04 <kolla> nice tiny modular arm based machines
Apr 02 16:34:16 <kolla> I'm building my own subnotebook.. hehe
Apr 02 16:34:17 <kolla> http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=202
Apr 02 16:34:32 <summatusmentis> your own subnotebook huh? that's cool
Apr 02 16:35:21 <kolla> ponder about building it into a DVD cover. there are some "thicker" DVD covers I know :)
Apr 02 16:35:34 <kolla> as a prototype anyhow
Apr 02 16:35:39 <kolla> just fo fun :)
Apr 02 16:36:24 <mimecar> kolla: the could built it on a blueray :P
Apr 02 16:36:30 <mimecar> they
Apr 02 16:41:12 <kolla> hehe
Apr 02 16:46:18 <HRH_H_Crab> kolla: how are you doing the display? can you get simple (or complex) modular display units?
Apr 02 16:47:53 <kolla> the LCD is part of the kit I get... afaik there's no magic to it?
Apr 02 16:48:12 <HRH_H_Crab> oh cool
Apr 02 16:48:47 <kolla> just need to add a a tiny usb keyboard, and maybe look for some battery pack of some sort :)
Apr 02 16:51:59 <HRH_H_Crab> damn i want to buy a kit now!
Apr 02 16:52:00 <HRH_H_Crab> ;P
Apr 02 16:53:39 <mimecar> xDDD
Apr 02 16:53:50 <mimecar> a new freak has born :)
Apr 02 16:54:50 <HRH_H_Crab> mimecar: i might not be quite crazy enough to go through with it!
Apr 02 16:55:00 <HRH_H_Crab> but it does sound quite fun.
Apr 02 16:55:12 <mimecar> never said "I'm not crazy"
Apr 02 16:55:19 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab, gumstix is ace
Apr 02 16:55:22 <dcordes> also want one
Apr 02 16:55:28 <HRH_H_Crab> if i had a car, i would definately look at something like that for an in car pc.
Apr 02 16:55:45 <dcordes> for audio would be great
Apr 02 16:55:49 <mimecar> a pc in a car is dangerous
Apr 02 16:55:54 <dcordes> why?
Apr 02 16:56:05 <HRH_H_Crab> well, if you look at it all the time.
Apr 02 16:56:05 <mimecar> you can't use while driving
Apr 02 16:56:18 <dcordes> nobody says you use it while driving
Apr 02 16:56:26 <mimecar> then ok
Apr 02 16:56:38 <mimecar> if you don't show teletubies on it ;)
Apr 02 16:56:40 <HRH_H_Crab> you just have to be restrained when you use gpsdrive!
Apr 02 16:57:32 <HRH_H_Crab> right...
Apr 02 16:57:44 <dcordes> kolla, what sort of battery are you going to use?
Apr 02 16:57:54 <HRH_H_Crab> i guess its time to re-flash my slug using the hot tip i got from codyl earlier.
Apr 02 17:04:13 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm
Apr 02 17:04:21 <HRH_H_Crab> except i cannot find it :(
Apr 02 17:05:19 <HRH_H_Crab> whereabouts would older images be on the website?
Apr 02 17:09:54 <HRH_H_Crab> nm
Apr 02 17:16:41 <HRH_H_Crab> bah
Apr 02 17:16:48 <HRH_H_Crab> so much for the "hot tip"
Apr 02 17:17:07 <HRH_H_Crab> oooh...
Apr 02 17:17:11 <HRH_H_Crab> maybe im just impatient...
Apr 02 17:17:37 <HRH_H_Crab> yay!
Apr 02 17:17:41 <HRH_H_Crab> it works!
Apr 02 17:17:53 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab, congrats
Apr 02 17:18:04 <dcordes> now all we need are gumstix kits
Apr 02 17:18:52 <HRH_H_Crab> hahah
Apr 02 17:28:28 <HRH_H_Crab> gah!
Apr 02 17:28:38 <HRH_H_Crab> its one step forward two steps back with such a tiny device.
Apr 02 17:44:07 <HRH_H_Crab> anyone about with some apex-env experience?
Apr 02 18:32:13 <mimecar> re
Apr 02 20:42:13 <mimecar> re
Apr 03 00:43:00 <xzhayon> hello
Apr 03 00:43:58 <xzhayon> after
Apr 03 00:44:12 <xzhayon> anyone
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