**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 07 02:59:56 2008
Apr 07 09:27:51 <lumag> hi!
Apr 07 15:16:23 <lumag> bye!
Apr 07 17:59:16 <mimecar> hi
Apr 07 18:10:58 <SyNko> !logs
Apr 07 18:10:58 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
Apr 07 18:10:59 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
Apr 07 18:11:00 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Apr 07 18:11:02 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
Apr 07 18:11:04 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Apr 07 18:11:23 <mimecar> xDD
Apr 07 18:18:32 <mimecar> do stable compilation of angstroms for akita works ok?
Apr 07 18:18:39 <johnx> yes
Apr 07 18:18:50 <johnx> works great here, and midori web browser is great
Apr 07 18:20:03 <mimecar> i'm building and image
Apr 07 18:20:20 <mimecar> lastest image was with dev branch, and touchscreen didn't worked :(
Apr 07 18:20:44 <johnx> hmm...I'm running the 2007.12-r13 I think
Apr 07 18:20:56 <mimecar> 30 minuts left...
Apr 07 18:49:34 <HRH_H_Crab> lo dudes
Apr 07 18:49:39 <HRH_H_Crab> hows it going?
Apr 07 18:49:49 <mimecar> gpe-image build
Apr 07 18:50:01 <mimecar> my gpe image with locales doesn't build
Apr 07 18:50:18 <HRH_H_Crab> ;/
Apr 07 18:52:24 <mimecar> command for language is
Apr 07 18:52:36 <mimecar> IMAGE_LINGUAS="zz_dd" ?
Apr 07 18:55:00 <HRH_H_Crab> mimecar: im the wrong person to ask really. 
Apr 07 18:55:28 <mimecar> the only live person ;)
Apr 07 18:55:28 <HRH_H_Crab> i don't know if its the same thing, but on gentoo, it uses stuff like : en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
Apr 07 18:55:36 <HRH_H_Crab> of we are talking about the same sort of thing.
Apr 07 18:55:41 <HRH_H_Crab> s/of/if
Apr 07 19:14:49 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: how's your slug?
Apr 07 19:15:06 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes_: its working really nicely.
Apr 07 19:15:11 <HRH_H_Crab> not doing very much...
Apr 07 19:15:19 <HRH_H_Crab> mainly ntp server duties atm.
Apr 07 19:15:32 <HRH_H_Crab> i tried to get my webcam working but it wouldnt play ball.
Apr 07 19:16:47 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: what did it fail on?
Apr 07 19:17:12 <HRH_H_Crab> well, i have a quickcam express (thats what lsusb says)
Apr 07 19:17:29 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway, i tried loading the binary quickcam messenger module and it loaded,
Apr 07 19:17:40 <HRH_H_Crab> so i made the /dev/video0 device 
Apr 07 19:17:54 <HRH_H_Crab> but any attempt to cat that came up with "device not found"
Apr 07 19:18:02 <HRH_H_Crab> i think i'd prob. need to roll my own kernel
Apr 07 19:18:13 <HRH_H_Crab> (or get a better webcam)
Apr 07 19:18:53 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: binary? lol
Apr 07 19:19:11 <dcordes_> you are lucky. because I'm such a brilliant genious there is gspca in OE ^^
Apr 07 19:19:14 <HRH_H_Crab> well, the ones in the feeds i mean.
Apr 07 19:19:25 <HRH_H_Crab> whats gspca?
Apr 07 19:19:50 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: do you have OE setup to roll your own stuff for slug?
Apr 07 19:20:04 <HRH_H_Crab> well, yes and no.
Apr 07 19:20:08 <HRH_H_Crab> i do have it somewhere,
Apr 07 19:20:18 <HRH_H_Crab> but i had real problems getting it working.
Apr 07 19:20:26 <dcordes_> maybe I can help
Apr 07 19:20:44 <HRH_H_Crab> well, i think now ive actually got stuff working,
Apr 07 19:20:51 <HRH_H_Crab> i might spend some more time on it.
Apr 07 19:20:59 <dcordes_> you want kernel-module-gspca built against the kernel which lives on your slug
Apr 07 19:21:11 <HRH_H_Crab> whats gspca?
Apr 07 19:21:24 <dcordes_> open source webcam driver for pretty much all sorts of webcams
Apr 07 19:21:30 <HRH_H_Crab> aaah interesting
Apr 07 19:21:48 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes_: im not actually desperate to get a webcam working on it!
Apr 07 19:21:49 <HRH_H_Crab> :)
Apr 07 19:22:02 <HRH_H_Crab> i was just trying to get some stuff going for fun.
Apr 07 19:22:12 <HRH_H_Crab> long term, im kind of tempted to put debian on it.
Apr 07 19:22:17 <dcordes_> out of fun I tried to get it working on akita
Apr 07 19:22:23 <HRH_H_Crab> and see if it can handle webserver / mailserver / irssi
Apr 07 19:22:33 <dcordes_> I got the device and everything looked fine but I didn't pursue it further from that point
Apr 07 19:22:36 <HRH_H_Crab> then i can have a quieter server,
Apr 07 19:22:40 <HRH_H_Crab> which draws less power
Apr 07 19:22:43 <HRH_H_Crab> for 24/7 use.
Apr 07 19:23:11 <HRH_H_Crab> they are definately great little machines though.
Apr 07 19:23:26 <dcordes_> I was thinking about getting one or similar device
Apr 07 19:23:37 <HRH_H_Crab> well, if you like angstrom,
Apr 07 19:23:41 <HRH_H_Crab> i think you should get one!
Apr 07 19:23:54 <HRH_H_Crab> because its fun having angstrom on 2 different devices!
Apr 07 19:23:55 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 07 19:24:34 <HRH_H_Crab> the one i have,
Apr 07 19:24:39 <dcordes_> hehe already have it on akita and htcblueangel
Apr 07 19:24:41 <HRH_H_Crab> a colleague gave it to me.
Apr 07 19:24:51 <dcordes_> would be the third one
Apr 07 19:24:53 <HRH_H_Crab> but he bought it for very little money.
Apr 07 19:25:04 <dcordes_> did you hear about begale board?ß
Apr 07 19:25:06 <HRH_H_Crab> GBP20 i think.
Apr 07 19:25:10 <HRH_H_Crab> nope...
Apr 07 19:25:18 <HRH_H_Crab> but im interested about htcblueangel
Apr 07 19:25:22 <HRH_H_Crab> does it work well with angstrom?
Apr 07 19:25:27 <HRH_H_Crab> can you make calls?
Apr 07 19:26:44 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: I use angstrom with qtopia on top of it
Apr 07 19:26:48 <dcordes_> works fine for calls
Apr 07 19:27:00 <dcordes_> also wifi is working
Apr 07 19:27:03 <HRH_H_Crab> qtopia!
Apr 07 19:27:07 <HRH_H_Crab> *shudder*
Apr 07 19:27:09 <HRH_H_Crab> ;P
Apr 07 19:27:12 <dcordes_> the probably most nasty thing is the keyboard
Apr 07 19:27:39 <dcordes_> it has a qwerty keyboard which in first place is pretty useful. but the driver is buggy and dies oftenly
Apr 07 19:27:48 <HRH_H_Crab> :(
Apr 07 19:27:55 <HRH_H_Crab> how does making calls work?
Apr 07 19:28:00 <HRH_H_Crab> are there gui things for that?
Apr 07 19:28:11 <HRH_H_Crab> or do you have to open a terminal and do crazy stuff?
Apr 07 19:28:15 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: I was trying to get openmoko running. but openmoko doesn't work fro qvga devices at the moment so it looks shitty. not usable
Apr 07 19:28:36 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: yes that's the big pro of qtopia. everything very operational in the gui
Apr 07 19:29:27 <dcordes_> I hope soonish somebody will find time to fix the matchbox qvga situation in om
Apr 07 19:29:34 <Sketch> yeah, it's not a bad setup for a pda really
Apr 07 19:29:58 <dcordes_> you mean OM?
Apr 07 19:30:04 <Sketch> qtopia
Apr 07 19:30:13 <HRH_H_Crab> i just discovered poky the other day.
Apr 07 19:30:29 <HRH_H_Crab> im quite keen to try it, sato or whatever its called looks really nice,
Apr 07 19:30:33 <Sketch> if you just want to use the stuff that's already there, and not screw around with it too much
Apr 07 19:30:33 <dcordes_> yes poky is damn nice. I've been using it on zaurus here and now
Apr 07 19:30:47 <dcordes_> OH people do great work on it
Apr 07 19:30:54 <HRH_H_Crab> and openhands offices are actually really near where i live.
Apr 07 19:30:59 <HRH_H_Crab> (or pretty near anyway)
Apr 07 19:31:04 <HRH_H_Crab> i was amazed!
Apr 07 19:31:11 <dcordes_> and it works always (just fetch the tarball and you get a completely working sort of OE fork with everything set up)
Apr 07 19:31:13 <HRH_H_Crab> i couldnt believe it!
Apr 07 19:31:14 <HRH_H_Crab> but,
Apr 07 19:31:27 <HRH_H_Crab> i feel too loyal to angstrom to switch yet!
Apr 07 19:31:29 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 07 19:31:44 <dcordes_> it's complete fork anyway
Apr 07 19:32:15 <HRH_H_Crab> is it possible to run the two together?
Apr 07 19:32:18 <dcordes_> some optimization and rationalization here and there and it's not much of a moving target as opposed to OE
Apr 07 19:32:24 <dcordes_> I'm planning to move all akita stuff to poky...
Apr 07 19:32:27 <Sketch> what's it a fork of?
Apr 07 19:32:36 <dcordes_> it's based on OE stuff
Apr 07 19:32:38 <Sketch> ah
Apr 07 19:33:27 <mimeca1> it works :)
Apr 07 19:33:30 <dcordes_> HRH_H_Crab: you can also use angstrom repos on poky images
Apr 07 19:33:35 <HRH_H_Crab> cool
Apr 07 19:33:40 <HRH_H_Crab> mimeca1: you got locale beaten?
Apr 07 19:33:47 <mimeca1> yesss
Apr 07 19:34:03 <HRH_H_Crab> i need to keep an eye on the openhand website from time to time, 
Apr 07 19:34:03 <mimeca1> LINGUA_INSTALL was the parameter I didn't wrote
Apr 07 19:34:11 <HRH_H_Crab> to see if they ever have any jobs...
Apr 07 19:34:17 <dcordes_> pH5: nobody likes me in oe
Apr 07 19:34:20 <HRH_H_Crab> (not that i have skills they are likely to need)
Apr 07 19:35:19 <pH5> dcordes_: better than the other way around
Apr 07 19:35:26 <dcordes_> lol
Apr 07 19:36:13 <pH5> just wait for the important people(tm) and file a bug, somebody has to understand this issue.
Apr 07 19:36:56 <dcordes_> pH5: I really can't figure any bogus things in my local setup. have everything as usual and the errors occur only on some packages
Apr 07 19:40:30 <HRH_H_Crab> right... time for washing up before i pour a beer and settle down with a movie!
Apr 07 19:40:31 <Sketch> hmm, clutter sounds kind of interesting...looks like it requires opengl though, i suspect that wouldn't run too well on zaurus...
Apr 07 19:40:33 <HRH_H_Crab> bbl
Apr 07 19:40:53 <HRH_H_Crab> Sketch: i think it uses a "cut down" opengl
Apr 07 19:40:57 <HRH_H_Crab> so may not be too bad.
Apr 07 19:40:58 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway...
Apr 07 19:41:00 <HRH_H_Crab> *gone*
Apr 07 19:41:06 <Sketch> opengl ES
Apr 07 19:41:12 <Sketch> i assume that still requires some hw accel
Apr 07 19:41:20 <Sketch> i read recently that the iphone supports it
Apr 07 19:46:26 <dcordes_> Sketch: clutter :D ? or hw accel
Apr 07 19:48:23 <Sketch> hw accel
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