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Apr 29 03:01:06 <robjoski> Oh well, good night... I'll be back tomorrow.
Apr 29 15:20:52 <Sketch> dcordes: yeah, i was looking at the android sdk, hadn't realized it was all weird custom stuff ;)
Apr 29 15:47:11 <johnaaronrose_> i have tried collie alboot console image, followed by opie image from altbot  
Apr 29 15:47:24 <johnaaronrose_> but it won't load opie
Apr 29 15:47:31 <johnaaronrose_> can anyone help?
Apr 29 15:52:25 <dcordes> johnaaronrose_: does altboot load the opie image properly? iirc you need the same kernel version in your target image as in altboot
Apr 29 15:53:48 <johnaaronrose_> it doesn't find the rootfs.tar.gz file on an SD card using the advanced option 
Apr 29 15:56:22 <dcordes> johnaaronrose_: make sure you put the right path. do you have it on the first partition?
Apr 29 15:56:26 <johnaaronrose_> i dont know if the kernel versions are the same, though i'm using the same 'unstable' repository
Apr 29 15:56:27 <dcordes> iirc altboot wants it one the first one
Apr 29 15:56:48 <dcordes> johnaaronrose_: if the files are from the same date, they have the same kernel version
Apr 29 15:56:50 <johnaaronrose_> dcordes: only one partition on the sd card
Apr 29 15:56:53 <dcordes> ok
Apr 29 15:56:57 <dcordes> it's not that then
Apr 29 15:57:14 <dcordes> make sure paths are ok. are you sure the card is initialized correctly at all in altboot?
Apr 29 15:57:24 <dcordes> I have to leave in an instance sorry
Apr 29 15:57:35 <dcordes> there is a manual somewhere
Apr 29 15:57:41 <dcordes> CoreDump|afk: might help
Apr 29 15:58:07 <dcordes> johnaaronrose_: make sure you read this please http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=50
Apr 29 16:00:30 <johnaaronrose_> it says loading sd kernel modules followed by some loading messages followed by 'can't access tty;job control trned off
Apr 29 16:01:57 <johnaaronrose_> dcordes: i've already read the hentges blog on altboot
Apr 29 16:04:01 <johnaaronrose_> dcordes: sorry about the incorrect earlier message stating that it didn't find the rootfs.tar.gz file: that's what happens to altboot on my C760
Apr 29 17:06:55 <dcordes> johnaaronrose_: you have any news on your problem?
Apr 29 17:07:24 <dcordes> I have always been extracting my rootfs btw. don't know if that would be worth a try
Apr 29 18:58:41 <robjoski> I asked this yesterday, but does anyone know of a place I can get an up to date (as in made within the last few days) h5000 image? I'm really tired of waiting for my angstrom image to complete building...
Apr 29 19:04:45 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: there should be an autobuild link on the website,
Apr 29 19:05:02 <HRH_H_Crab> but i don't know if all archs are covered, or how frequent the builds are.
Apr 29 19:05:46 <robjoski> I think the last build was on March 31...
Apr 29 19:07:14 <robjoski> I know that's kind of picky, but I can't stand older kernels, and having WiFi would be nice...
Apr 29 19:07:52 <summatusmentis> HRH_H_Crab: first impressions of poky: sexy :)
Apr 29 19:08:29 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: im purposefully using an old kernel because i think wifi is broken in the newer ones, don't know if thats still the case though.
Apr 29 19:08:44 <HRH_H_Crab> summatusmentis: i think its just a matter of time before i join you and dcordes 
Apr 29 19:08:55 <HRH_H_Crab> their offices are even pretty close to where i live!
Apr 29 19:08:58 <HRH_H_Crab> (openhand)
Apr 29 19:09:05 <robjoski> Wait, Wifi wasn't ever supported, was it?
Apr 29 19:09:07 <HRH_H_Crab> it's like fate wants me to try poky!
Apr 29 19:09:18 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: well, im using a different platform.
Apr 29 19:09:21 <HRH_H_Crab> (zaurus)
Apr 29 19:09:27 <robjoski> Does poky work on H5555
Apr 29 19:09:37 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: no idea.
Apr 29 19:09:52 <summatusmentis> HRH_H_Crab: the only issue I'm having is that the browser doesn't seem to want to navigate anywhere
Apr 29 19:10:24 <robjoski> Oh well, poky probably takes up too much space... I wish I had a Zaurus...
Apr 29 19:10:28 <HRH_H_Crab> hmmm on the basis of what you told me yesterday, im guessing thats a bit of a showstopper for you!
Apr 29 19:10:45 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: i think its comparable to angstrom.
Apr 29 19:10:51 <HRH_H_Crab> maybe even lighter.
Apr 29 19:12:27 <robjoski> I'll look into that. In the meantime, I have another question: Has anyone gotten the BootMenu image working with SD card?
Apr 29 19:12:56 <robjoski> Well I haven't... Duh.
Apr 29 19:15:08 <summatusmentis> HRH_H_Crab: sort of, it means I can't install anything else, because of the way my school wireless is setup
Apr 29 19:16:23 <HRH_H_Crab> wget?
Apr 29 19:17:28 <summatusmentis> nope, can't ping out until we 'log in' to some auth page
Apr 29 19:17:34 <HRH_H_Crab> aah
Apr 29 19:19:39 <robjoski> I hate to keep bothering everyone (and sorry if this is off-topic), but does anyone know if RedBoot is supported on the iPAQ h5555? I despise Compaq Bootldr...
Apr 29 19:20:49 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: i wouldnt worry about bothering anyone, generally whoever is active in here is more than happy to help if they can, the problem is few if any of those regulars are ipaq users!
Apr 29 19:20:53 <HRH_H_Crab> :P
Apr 29 19:21:50 <robjoski> I probably would have guessed that by now...:-[
Apr 29 21:38:15 <robjoski> I'm back, after not having internet for about 2 hours... Did I miss anything?
Apr 29 21:39:43 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: no!
Apr 29 21:39:55 <robjoski> Good to know.
Apr 29 21:40:01 <HRH_H_Crab> well, dcordes posted a lot of hardcore porn links,
Apr 29 21:40:11 <HRH_H_Crab> but trust me, you don't want to see them.
Apr 29 21:40:59 <robjoski> Um, you just told me something I REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE HEARD!!!
Apr 29 21:41:07 <robjoski> Sorry for yelling.
Apr 29 21:41:17 <HRH_H_Crab> he also wrote out all the lyrics of RUN DMC's "My Adidas" but with every occurence of "Adidas" changed to "Akita"
Apr 29 21:41:26 <robjoski> Idiot.
Apr 29 21:41:36 <robjoski> I mean, HIM...
Apr 29 21:42:49 <robjoski> Sorry if I offended you, dcordes, but really...
Apr 29 21:43:02 <HRH_H_Crab> robjoski: i was lying /o\
Apr 29 21:43:07 <HRH_H_Crab> he didnt do either of those things.
Apr 29 21:43:12 <HRH_H_Crab> i can't live with my shame.
Apr 29 21:43:37 <robjoski> Sorry, both of you.:'(
Apr 29 21:43:42 <HRH_H_Crab> hes come close to doing one of them in the past though, and i'll leave it to your imagination which it was!
Apr 29 21:45:26 <robjoski> please, get back on topic. this is embarassing me.
Apr 29 21:53:44 <mimecar> hi
Apr 29 21:54:57 <robjoski> Someone delete this log starting at 5:38 before it shows up on google? (before mimecar entered)
Apr 29 21:55:59 <dcordes> hi robjoski need hardcore porn?
Apr 29 21:56:03 <robjoski> mimecar: You don't want to know what we were talking about.
Apr 29 21:56:33 <robjoski> I'm leaving. and dcordes, NO WAY.
Apr 29 21:56:57 <bluelightning> does he not know he is on IRC? ;)
Apr 29 21:57:19 <mimecar> atr yhere problems with logs?
Apr 29 21:57:30 <mimecar> are there
Apr 29 21:57:48 <bluelightning> I don't know... I don't think so anyway
Apr 29 22:03:10 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: man that was rude. I hope we did not offend somebody in a religious or different way
Apr 29 22:05:33 <mimecar> re robjoski
Apr 29 22:05:41 <robjoski> I'm only back because I forgot to tell you that you are talking to a 14-year-old. Sure, I'm going to take the SAT next year, but please don't talk to people and assume they are adults.
Apr 29 22:05:58 <robjoski> That goes for everyone.
Apr 29 22:08:39 <robjoski> Thank you. Bye again.
Apr 29 22:10:39 <dcordes> robjoski: don't take it personal. HRH_H_Crab just made a joke ;)
Apr 29 22:11:05 <mimecar> he is gobe dcordes
Apr 29 22:11:08 <mimecar> gone
Apr 29 22:12:07 <dcordes> maybe he will read the log
Apr 29 22:14:31 <HRH_H_Crab> oops!
Apr 29 22:14:37 <HRH_H_Crab> i feel bad now /o\
Apr 29 22:14:43 <dcordes> Ăme too :(
Apr 29 22:14:48 <dcordes> shame on us
Apr 29 22:14:49 <HRH_H_Crab> i didnt really say anything too offensive though!
Apr 29 22:14:52 <HRH_H_Crab> even if he is 14!
Apr 29 22:14:55 <dcordes> you didn't
Apr 29 22:14:58 <dcordes> not at all
Apr 29 22:14:59 <HRH_H_Crab> i didnt even swear!
Apr 29 22:16:35 <HRH_H_Crab> i dunno.
Apr 29 22:16:48 <HRH_H_Crab> i think we can chalk it down to oversensitivity.
Apr 29 22:16:57 <HRH_H_Crab> s/down/up
Apr 29 22:17:27 <HRH_H_Crab> now if i had posted a link to a naughty picture, then maybe he'd have a point.
Apr 29 22:17:45 <HRH_H_Crab> anyway, when you send me those links, you should make sure its in pm o.k.? ;)
Apr 29 22:18:54 <dcordes> alright
Apr 29 22:19:10 <mimecar> xDD
Apr 29 22:19:13 <dcordes> maybe his mother was watching what he does on the internet
Apr 29 22:19:35 <HRH_H_Crab> i just hope his older MS using brother wasn't watching:
Apr 29 22:19:44 <HRH_H_Crab> "I told you those bearded gnu hippies were all perverts!"
Apr 29 22:19:54 <dcordes> haha :D
Apr 29 22:22:44 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: tried poky yet?
Apr 29 22:23:20 <dcordes> bbiab
Apr 29 22:23:33 <HRH_H_Crab> nope
Apr 29 22:24:07 <HRH_H_Crab> my problem with trying poky, is mainly that im too lazy to move away from what is really a very nice install of angstrom.
Apr 29 22:24:17 <HRH_H_Crab> im pretty comfortable with it.
Apr 29 22:25:03 <HRH_H_Crab> if the angstrom development grinds to a halt for zaurus, it'll surely be my next distro though.
Apr 29 22:26:04 <HRH_H_Crab> im also slightly nervous if poky can do everything i can get angstrom to do.
Apr 29 22:27:31 <HRH_H_Crab> my main uses are shelling into my server via bluetooth / pand, mplayer for mp3s / some very light web browsing / occasional use of gpsdrive (mainly for fun though) and finally i recently installed perl, which i am trying to teach myself.
Apr 29 22:28:19 <HRH_H_Crab> havent really done much with it yet because im doing all my learning on my server, but if the day comes when i begin to get my head round it, i'd possibly do some perl stuff on train journeys or whatever.
Apr 29 22:58:47 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: is that your first programming language?
Apr 29 22:59:51 <summatusmentis> dcordes: are you having issues w/ the poky browser?
Apr 29 22:59:59 <summatusmentis> I can't seem to get it to browse anywhere?
Apr 29 23:00:29 <dcordes> works for me
Apr 29 23:00:57 <dcordes> it shows up the page when it's loaded completely I think
Apr 29 23:01:04 <dcordes> webkit
Apr 29 23:01:08 <summatusmentis> is there a progress bar or anything?
Apr 29 23:01:16 <dcordes> don't know right now
Apr 29 23:01:22 <summatusmentis> mk
Apr 29 23:02:32 <eekee> allo. I'm looking through the feed brows, & I've had no trouble with it except for libc6-dev. This url won't load: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=libc6-dev
Apr 29 23:04:22 <j0wn> Hi All,  Whats the best/current set to use for Zaurus Collie?
Apr 29 23:04:35 <eekee> actually tell a lie, I tried to download a few ipks with wget & got some trouble: <b>Fatal error</b>:  Allowed memory size of 25165824 bytes exhausted (tried to a
Apr 29 23:04:38 <eekee> llocate 32 bytes) in <b>/var/www/angstrom/repo/includes/functions.inc</b> on lin
Apr 29 23:04:41 <eekee> e <b>29</b><br />
Apr 29 23:05:24 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes: well not exactly.
Apr 29 23:05:45 <HRH_H_Crab> i can get simple stuff done in bash, if you want to call that a programming language.
Apr 29 23:06:29 <HRH_H_Crab> i used to mess around with some basic (dartmouth) at school when i was younger,
Apr 29 23:07:02 <dcordes> same here. only some bash
Apr 29 23:07:19 <HRH_H_Crab> and i even did some 6052 assembly stuff when i was very young.
Apr 29 23:07:19 <dcordes> but I'm reading a lot of C kernel code at the moment
Apr 29 23:07:30 <HRH_H_Crab> ive messed around with c / c++
Apr 29 23:07:43 <j0wn> HRH_H_Crab, you had a C64 then i take it
Apr 29 23:07:44 <HRH_H_Crab> followed some simple tutorials but didnt get anywhere.
Apr 29 23:07:54 <HRH_H_Crab> j0wn: apple 2e clone
Apr 29 23:08:09 <HRH_H_Crab> i grew up in hong kong.
Apr 29 23:08:15 <j0wn> ah ok
Apr 29 23:08:16 <dcordes> I was wearing diapers back then
Apr 29 23:08:18 <HRH_H_Crab> the C64 was virtually unknown there.
Apr 29 23:08:28 <eekee> sounds like my programming 'experience' lol
Apr 29 23:08:33 <HRH_H_Crab> i know a bit about it because of the sid chip.
Apr 29 23:08:46 <HRH_H_Crab> im an amateur electronic musician to a certain extent.
Apr 29 23:09:02 <HRH_H_Crab> the thing with perl, which is actually making me want to put in the time,
Apr 29 23:09:07 <HRH_H_Crab> is that i know it will be useful.
Apr 29 23:09:07 <j0wn> ah righto .. youl know they have sid boards out there now
Apr 29 23:09:21 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah there are all kinds of crazy little kits.
Apr 29 23:09:33 <j0wn> nice to see GPL drivers
Apr 29 23:09:42 <HRH_H_Crab> i don't know that i would bother with that, but its undeniable that they make an awesome noise!
Apr 29 23:10:22 <j0wn> hubbard was the king of sid tunes
Apr 29 23:10:33 <dcordes> hubbard?
Apr 29 23:10:46 <HRH_H_Crab> i think he was a guy from the demo scene
Apr 29 23:10:56 <dcordes> the scientology person hubbard?
Apr 29 23:11:08 <j0wn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Hubbard
Apr 29 23:11:12 <eekee> name rings a bell, seen it on Nectarine radio
Apr 29 23:11:24 <eekee> different hubbard I'm sure lol
Apr 29 23:11:29 <HRH_H_Crab> some much more mainstream people used sid stuff though
Apr 29 23:11:44 <HRH_H_Crab> that kernkraft somethign thousand tune,
Apr 29 23:11:46 <dcordes> what is that sid thing?
Apr 29 23:11:49 <HRH_H_Crab> by zombie nation
Apr 29 23:11:59 <HRH_H_Crab> that has a sid bassline
Apr 29 23:12:28 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes: it is a synth on a chip,
Apr 29 23:12:31 <j0wn> sid has made its way into alot of musical area's most noticable lately into the hip/hop rap scene ...
Apr 29 23:12:41 <HRH_H_Crab> made famous initially by the C64
Apr 29 23:12:49 <dcordes> and still used today?
Apr 29 23:12:53 <j0wn> indeed
Apr 29 23:12:53 <HRH_H_Crab> yep
Apr 29 23:13:02 <dcordes> that's remarkable
Apr 29 23:13:12 <HRH_H_Crab> dcordes: makes really horrible grungey 8 bit noises, (horrible and grungey in a good way)
Apr 29 23:13:24 <HRH_H_Crab> it can make sounds no other synthesis method can make.
Apr 29 23:13:45 <j0wn> its almost like a juno on steriods no intruments just plain noise generation
Apr 29 23:13:47 <eekee> this may sound wierd, but I prefer the funky pitch of the PAL Ataris
Apr 29 23:14:10 <dcordes> HRH_H_Crab: this grungey and horrible sound is getting mainstream again I feel
Apr 29 23:14:20 <HRH_H_Crab> yeah
Apr 29 23:14:28 <HRH_H_Crab> Crystal Castles are awesome
Apr 29 23:14:34 <j0wn> haha
Apr 29 23:14:54 <eekee> ohhh, yeah...
Apr 29 23:15:03 <HRH_H_Crab> not really the kind of music i would make personally,
Apr 29 23:15:07 <HRH_H_Crab> but i do like that album a lot.
Apr 29 23:15:20 <dcordes> the first google entry points me to some myspace
Apr 29 23:15:21 <eekee> ere, is there anywhere I could download the kernel config for a specific Angstrom kernel? (Just, like, briefly touching on the channel topic :D )
Apr 29 23:15:37 <HRH_H_Crab> sounds like an explosion in an eighties video arcade!
Apr 29 23:15:38 <HRH_H_Crab> :D
Apr 29 23:15:50 <eekee> :D
Apr 29 23:17:00 <j0wn> eekee, id like kernel headers and perhaps a guide to putting together a nice tool chain
Apr 29 23:17:51 <dcordes> eekee: what is your machine?
Apr 29 23:17:54 <eekee> kernel headers as such are available, under the name libc-kernel-headers or something
Apr 29 23:18:00 <eekee> dcordes: spitz
Apr 29 23:18:36 <j0wn> dcordes, id like them for collie ;)
Apr 29 23:19:10 <eekee> j0wn: browse the package repo, I think they're under devel
Apr 29 23:19:13 <dcordes> eekee: if you wanna find out how the kernel is made you download from angstrom-distribution.com have a look here http://oe.linuxtogo.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev
Apr 29 23:19:34 <eekee> dcordes: oh.. that place...
Apr 29 23:20:37 <eekee> dcordes: I'll have a deeper look, although I was hoping for something that took a little less searching. :)
Apr 29 23:20:41 <j0wn> ok cool
Apr 29 23:20:47 <j0wn> il take another gander
Apr 29 23:21:08 <dcordes> eekee: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/include/zaurus-2.6.inc
Apr 29 23:21:24 <eekee> dcordes: ooh, thank you!
Apr 29 23:21:35 <dcordes> that config file is used by the spitz.conf machine config in conf/machine/
Apr 29 23:21:54 <dcordes> in it there is a line which defines the kernel spitz builds
Apr 29 23:22:00 <eekee> ah it's under conf/ I was looking under packages/
Apr 29 23:22:02 <dcordes> which is linux-rp
Apr 29 23:22:17 <dcordes> linux-rp now is in packages/linux/
Apr 29 23:22:27 <dcordes> same as all kernel metadata
Apr 29 23:22:29 <eekee> ahhh
Apr 29 23:23:51 <dcordes> http://oe.linuxtogo.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.24.bb
Apr 29 23:24:10 <dcordes>   file://defconfig-spitz \
Apr 29 23:24:48 <dcordes> mind the extra patches for spitz at the bottom
Apr 29 23:25:49 <teh_eekster> dcordes: thanks muchly :)
Apr 29 23:27:19 <dcordes> eekee: easiest way is to follow this guide to setup OE locally using this guide http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and just bitbake virtual/kernel
Apr 29 23:27:52 <teh_eekster> dcordes: righty
Apr 29 23:28:54 <dcordes> eekee: you can then use OE's sources all patched and ready to modify
Apr 29 23:28:58 <dcordes> that's how I do it
Apr 29 23:29:06 <eekee> I see
Apr 29 23:29:20 <dcordes> did you cross compile before?
Apr 29 23:29:25 <eekee> no, I haven't
Apr 29 23:29:45 <eekee> I was thinking of doing something rather more hackish actually
Apr 29 23:30:19 <dcordes> everything different vs normal compile is that you need to specify two extra vars: ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/path/to/your/tool-chain-
Apr 29 23:30:34 <eekee> ah that's all?
Apr 29 23:30:40 <dcordes> no magic in it
Apr 29 23:30:54 <eekee> cool!
Apr 29 23:31:38 <dcordes> in case you do it the OE way, you get a ready to use toolchain in your OE/tmp/cross/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-
Apr 29 23:34:30 <dcordes> j0wn: did that also help you?
Apr 29 23:34:42 <eekee> ok
Apr 29 23:34:46 <eekee> brb
Apr 29 23:35:37 <j0wn> indeed
Apr 29 23:35:41 <j0wn> sorry was reading
Apr 29 23:35:48 <HRH_H_Crab> i should prob. think about de-slugging my OE config, and trying to build a new kernel.
Apr 29 23:35:58 <HRH_H_Crab> but anyway, thats a task for another day.
Apr 29 23:36:01 <HRH_H_Crab> off for some sleep!
Apr 29 23:36:03 <HRH_H_Crab> nn all
Apr 29 23:36:20 <eekee> nite!
Apr 29 23:36:26 <dcordes> gnite HRH_H_Crab 
Apr 29 23:38:32 <dcordes> it's often useful to make the kernel with the method described when your target machine is not maintained so consistently like some machines in hh.org
Apr 29 23:51:56 <eekee> ah *nodnod*
Apr 29 23:54:45 <eekee> right, I'm off to bed. Got a nice lot of notes to keep me occupied tomorrow
Apr 29 23:55:14 <dcordes> cool, ping me when you get any problems
Apr 29 23:55:30 <eekee> ok :)
Apr 29 23:55:33 <dcordes> gnite
Apr 29 23:55:37 <eekee> bai!
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