**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 04 02:59:57 2008
May 04 04:01:02 <j0wn> johnx, any idea if anyone has worked on sound for collie?
May 04 05:13:34 <j0wn> johnx, wb
May 04 10:02:18 <johnx> j0wn, no idea really. Have you seen the wiki page on angstrom-distribution.org and the bugs on openembedded.org?
May 04 10:58:09 <likewise> j0wn: that indicates your BBPATH is wrong
May 04 10:58:11 <likewise> or what is in BBPATH does not exists
May 04 10:58:18 <likewise> whoops: responding to very old msgs
May 04 11:02:05 <Laibsch> j0wn, joerg_: I believe the two of you are working on collie support, right?
May 04 11:02:18 <Laibsch> Did you get opie to boot successfully via altboot?
May 04 11:03:08 <joerg_> nope
May 04 11:03:42 <joerg_> well....we are not really developers (at least I am not) but we are "working" on it, yes :D
May 04 11:04:03 <joerg_> I don't really know what's going on
May 04 11:04:19 <joerg_> last time when I tried the opie image, I ran into lots of i/o errors
May 04 11:11:31 <Laibsch> OK, so did I
May 04 11:11:43 <Laibsch> Did you try to altboot a console-image?
May 04 11:11:59 <Laibsch> I mean on the SD/CF card
May 04 11:30:07 <CoreDump> they are trying to boot an opie-image rootfs extracted on SD. And it sounds like their SD cards are acting up under ext2
May 04 11:36:54 <CoreDump> I've rebuild the opie tarball: http://stuff.pimp-your-penguin.org/altboot-testing/collie/
May 04 11:40:16 <Laibsch> CoreDump: I guess that should not differ from what I've got, right?
May 04 11:40:29 <CoreDump> it shouldn't.
May 04 11:41:17 <CoreDump> well, it's compiled for angstrom, not sonkei if that matters
May 04 11:42:40 <Laibsch> Sonkei does not compile for collie, right now, remember
May 04 11:42:42 <Laibsch> ?
May 04 11:43:05 <Laibsch> Since you have already looked a bit into this, maybe we can share the knowledge and unbreak Sonkei in that respect
May 04 11:43:22 <Laibsch> I am still wondering where Sonkei differs from Angstrom here
May 04 11:43:26 <CoreDump> I removed the dependency to zaurus-updater in *2.6.inc
May 04 11:43:30 <CoreDump> I cheated
May 04 12:47:00 <CoreDump> fwiw, I can boot just fine from SD on spitz
May 04 12:58:13 * CoreDump just notes that his SD card never worked before on his Z
May 04 15:05:03 <j0wn> CoreDump, i was doing the same my opie-image bibake failed with arm-linux-ar command not found
May 04 15:05:13 <j0wn> *bitbake
May 04 15:06:56 <j0wn> CoreDump, is there any other envs that need set?
May 04 15:10:51 <j0wn> joerg_, is the opie image built by CoreDump a good one ?
May 04 15:12:40 <joerg_> j0wn, not for me
May 04 15:12:52 <joerg_> by the way....I am not sure about the sd thing.
May 04 15:13:14 <joerg_> fsck reported an unexpected inconsistency
May 04 15:13:24 <joerg_> on collie
May 04 15:13:41 <joerg_> fsck on my x86 did not
May 04 15:14:07 <joerg_> even after reformatting it reported erros
May 04 15:14:40 <joerg_> then suddenly. it didn't report errors anymore
May 04 15:14:45 <joerg_> altboot mounted the sd card
May 04 15:14:58 <joerg_> but didn't find init or boot-images
May 04 15:15:08 <joerg_> I did a "ls /media/card"
May 04 15:15:13 <joerg_> and noticed that the card was empty.
May 04 15:15:27 <joerg_> I remounted it and it worked fine, everything was there.
May 04 15:16:00 <joerg_> then I rebooted collie, fsck didn't report errors, root fs was mounted and angstrom booting
May 04 15:16:05 <j0wn> mmm mmc driver issue?
May 04 15:16:05 <joerg_> until I got the i/o errors
May 04 15:16:43 <joerg_> I don't know.....
May 04 15:17:25 <joerg_> I had I/O errors on openzaurus 3.5.4.1 with 2.4 kernel once as well.
May 04 15:17:49 <j0wn> the card not mounting .. and ll these fsck things makes me suspicious
May 04 15:17:51 <joerg_> with an ext3 rootfs....
May 04 15:18:17 <j0wn> on 2 seperate SD cards ... wierd
May 04 15:18:27 <joerg_> hmm
May 04 15:18:44 <joerg_> well....when I had this issue with OZ I thought it was ext3
May 04 15:18:52 <joerg_> and used ext2 for the partition and it worked.
May 04 15:19:01 <joerg_> but probably that means absolutely NOTHING :D
May 04 15:19:07 <joerg_> just coincidence that it worked.
May 04 15:19:40 <j0wn> one other thing when it goes inot suspend ( console ) how to wake it up / turn the lcd backlight on
May 04 15:25:07 <j0wn> CoreDump, when did you update your org.openembedded.dev tree?
May 04 15:27:27 <j0wn> hmm
May 04 15:28:05 <j0wn> should'nt arm-linux-ar have been arm-angstrom-linux-ar?
May 04 15:34:05 <j0wn> joerg, i has i/o error on a directory on my sd card when i tried to remove everything. fsck has yeilded a ton of issues
May 04 15:34:30 <j0wn> im suspect about that mmc driver
May 04 15:42:08 <j0wn> CoreDump, my bitbake build failed on this one: qte-mt-static_2.3.10.bb 
May 04 15:48:41 <j0wn> joerg, i fdisk'd and ran mke2fs on my zaurus ... on my linux box when i try to mount it .. says i must specify an fs
May 04 15:49:03 <joerg> -t ext2
May 04 15:49:40 <j0wn> nice error
May 04 15:49:44 <j0wn> heh
May 04 15:50:18 <j0wn> CoreDump, are you in agreeance on this one ... could be the mmc driver?
May 04 16:00:52 <j0wn> joerg, whats the git location for pavels git branch?
May 04 16:02:01 <joerg> don't know
May 04 16:02:04 <joerg> use google
May 04 16:06:56 <j0wn> heh
May 04 16:07:03 <j0wn> its not obvious lol
May 04 16:08:17 <kario> which version of bitbake should i be using to build angstrom stable branch. build fails on quilt-native
May 04 16:21:43 <j0wn> which version you using?
May 04 16:26:04 <kario> 1.8.10 and latest from subversion. tried googling around and someone mentioned that problem with quilt-native might be related to bitbake version 
May 04 16:31:31 <kario> forget it. my bad
May 04 16:33:13 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 16:33:29 <j0wn> i just fixed my bitbake failure with a symlink
May 04 16:33:44 <j0wn> im sure its a type somewhere
May 04 16:34:55 <j0wn> typo rather
May 04 16:44:55 <j0wn> CoreDump, which version of bitbake you use?
May 04 17:17:52 <Laibsch> j0wn: First line of defense when $target fails: "bitbake -c clean $target; bitbake $target"
May 04 17:24:11 <CoreDump> could be a broken card, or a card "that does not like ext2"
May 04 17:24:23 <CoreDump> any my .dev checkout is from today
May 04 17:39:57 <j0wn> ive just updated my OE db ( today ) and checked out all the changes as of today
May 04 17:41:27 <j0wn> CoreDump, under my linux box ( SD reader/writer ) the card works fine ... under the sharp 3.12 rom my 1gb SD worked without issue ... OZ last release 1GB failed to be recognised under angstrom 2.4.x release again no detection of 1GB Card ... now its detected but seems to get corrupted when used with the Z
May 04 17:42:12 <CoreDump> j0wn: it is just possible that your card is dead and will (now) show the same problems on any other machine as well.
May 04 17:42:34 <CoreDump> or the Z kernel driver is fucked for some reason
May 04 17:42:57 <johnx> j0wn, I have a collie and some sacrificial SD cards here. I can test if you'd like.
May 04 17:43:46 <j0wn> ive just been doing general mount /read /write tests on my linux box ... no issues even running fsck after some time ... 
May 04 17:44:38 <j0wn> johnx, that would be usefull
May 04 17:45:24 <j0wn> arnt SD cards good for like 1 mil writes or something similar?
May 04 17:45:45 <johnx> it's complicated by wear leveling
May 04 17:46:02 <johnx> I've heard figures of 100,000 and 1,000,000 writes per sector
May 04 17:46:22 <johnx> swapping to SD is a good way to kill a card fast though :)
May 04 17:46:43 <CoreDump> or writing and debugging altboots sd booting script
May 04 17:46:48 <j0wn> aye i remember having a joke on the bblug about that one ;)
May 04 17:46:52 <CoreDump> killed like 3 cards here =)
May 04 17:47:01 <j0wn> yikes
May 04 17:47:04 <johnx> lifetime warranties rock
May 04 17:47:10 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 17:47:24 <johnx> but at this point it's barely worth shipping to send them in O_o
May 04 17:47:26 <CoreDump> yep, I'll send in that 32Mb and 64Mb card =)
May 04 17:54:23 <j0wn> CoreDump, any idea whom if any is maintaining the mmc/block driver?
May 04 17:54:34 <johnx> j0wn, so, is there any image somewhere I can test? on a web page? or I can give you my email address?
May 04 17:55:25 <CoreDump> j0wn: nope, AFAIK we are using the normal kernel driver
May 04 17:55:59 <j0wn> CoreDumps builds  http://stuff.pimp-your-penguin.org/altboot-testing/collie/ the zImage and goodies are there
May 04 17:56:19 <j0wn> fair enough
May 04 17:56:58 <johnx> great, I'll flash this an see what happens
May 04 17:57:22 <j0wn> the ZImage and console is great hehe ..
May 04 17:57:36 <j0wn> now the SD and opie hmm hehe
May 04 17:58:18 <j0wn> CoreDump, I do appreciate your input on these things :) ... Its alot more than i got from anyone else out there heh
May 04 17:58:25 <johnx> I'll feed it my 64MB SD card first, just in case
May 04 17:58:57 <CoreDump> ;)
May 04 18:02:03 <j0wn> im switching to my 128MB card
May 04 18:02:18 <johnx> CoreDump, where did you need to remove the dependency on zaurus-updater to build an image for collie?
May 04 18:02:18 <j0wn> CoreDump, could it just be an issue with larger cards?
May 04 18:03:08 <j0wn> the only reason i ask is because i remember reading pavel mentioning something about 32/64 cards working ok but larger cards showing issues
May 04 18:03:11 <CoreDump> j0wn: could be. My 2Gb is working fine on spitz FWIW
May 04 18:03:33 <johnx> isn't that using an entirely different SD card driver?
May 04 18:03:40 <j0wn> collie seems to be an odd animal and does'nt follow the other Zaurus traits
May 04 18:04:23 <CoreDump> johnx: remove EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS += "zaurus-updater" in zaurus-2.6.inc
May 04 18:04:41 <CoreDump> well, good question
May 04 18:04:44 <CoreDump> and good point
May 04 18:05:38 <CoreDump> Laibsch: two builds at the same time *really* brings down the buildhost
May 04 18:06:07 <CoreDump> well, two "configured-for-quad" builds anyway heh
May 04 18:06:42 <johnx> the console image boots. I'm so glad to see my old collie up and running again with a new kernel :D
May 04 18:07:12 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 18:07:35 <j0wn> with that new opie image im left at a console ... alot of errors and files not found. 
May 04 18:08:01 <johnx> is it card errors? or something else?
May 04 18:08:04 <CoreDump> well, can't do anything about that. I believe Laibsch is trying to run Opie as well?
May 04 18:08:32 <j0wn> everything from rc scripts awk and the last one says cant identify the machine
May 04 18:09:08 <CoreDump> well, FS problems will do that
May 04 18:09:19 <CoreDump> some cards just won't work:\
May 04 18:09:26 <j0wn> hmm
May 04 18:09:45 <j0wn> just did a df -- input/output error 
May 04 18:09:51 <j0wn> that would be why then hehe
May 04 18:09:59 <CoreDump> righto
May 04 18:10:13 <CoreDump> time to get another card.
May 04 18:10:31 <j0wn> but why would it work ok on my linux box
May 04 18:10:37 <j0wn> i dont understand
May 04 18:10:51 <CoreDump> no idea
May 04 18:10:55 <johnx> I'm willing to bet a buggy driver
May 04 18:11:18 <j0wn> i was leaning that way ... since both my cards do it .. joergs card does it
May 04 18:11:23 <johnx> I tend to think there are a lot of corner cases with cards that don't quite follow the rules
May 04 18:11:49 <j0wn> ive avoided sandisk as those have caused issues in many devices and died for no reason at all
May 04 18:11:54 <CoreDump> maybe (worst case) your SD slot / controller is damaged
May 04 18:12:09 <j0wn> i did think that also
May 04 18:12:29 <j0wn> maybe cutting back to sharp rom 3.12 and testing would be a good idea
May 04 18:12:31 <johnx> well, I'll test here and see, just unpacked opie.tar.gz onto my card and I'll boot it presently
May 04 18:12:38 <CoreDump> right
May 04 18:12:41 <CoreDump> bbl
May 04 18:12:48 <j0wn> later Core
May 04 18:15:10 <mimecar> hi
May 04 18:15:18 <johnx> hi
May 04 18:15:37 <mimecar> evening john
May 04 18:15:44 <mimecar> evening johnx
May 04 18:16:36 <j0wn> hi
May 04 18:20:20 <j0wn> johnx, whats the verdict?
May 04 18:20:53 <johnx> the verdict is I needed to reflash because I had the kernel named wrong the first time
May 04 18:20:55 <johnx> :)
May 04 18:21:03 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 18:21:05 <joerg> hmm
May 04 18:21:23 <j0wn> joerg, your SD card keeps getting corrupted in the Zaurus right?
May 04 18:21:24 <joerg> CoreDump, wouldn't it be better to use some cardfs like system?
May 04 18:21:37 <joerg> j0wn, I didn't try :P
May 04 18:21:42 <j0wn> ok
May 04 18:21:58 <joerg> but on my pc it works
May 04 18:22:22 <johnx> ok, it's running fsck on the sd card now
May 04 18:22:40 <johnx> apparently it's been 35706 days since the last check :)
May 04 18:23:49 <joerg> yes
May 04 18:23:53 <joerg> because your clock is wrong
May 04 18:24:10 <joerg> does /dev/rtc work with the new kernel?
May 04 18:26:30 <johnx> j0wn, mine wouldn't even mount. It complained about I/O errors
May 04 18:26:43 <johnx> want me to copy dmesg somewhere?
May 04 18:26:59 <joerg> yes please
May 04 18:33:05 <johnx> working on getting the captured dmesg log onto my desktop :)
May 04 18:33:20 <joerg> hmm
May 04 18:33:30 <joerg> just tell us the important facts :P
May 04 18:33:49 <joerg> I will give the opie-image another try now
May 04 18:34:39 <johnx> uhm...lot's of I/O errors
May 04 18:40:22 <j0wn> yuck
May 04 18:40:41 <j0wn> i know fsck on my bax complains about a large amount of blocks / errors etc etc
May 04 18:40:46 <j0wn> *box
May 04 18:40:52 <joerg> i did dd if=zero on my sdcard
May 04 18:40:59 <joerg> and made a new filesystem
May 04 18:41:10 <joerg> and untared the opie image
May 04 18:41:14 <joerg> let's see
May 04 18:41:15 <johnx> without further ado, dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m6938b28d
May 04 18:41:18 <joerg> at the moment it is fscking
May 04 18:41:27 <j0wn> mine does that instantly
May 04 18:41:28 <johnx> I might try opie from a cf card, just for fun
May 04 18:41:30 <joerg> because it has gone for 35607 days without checking :D
May 04 18:42:03 <j0wn> johnx, if it works that would point 100% at a required work order on the mmc driver for Collie
May 04 18:42:16 <j0wn> joerg, this flashing totally screws the clock hehe
May 04 18:42:25 <johnx> great, sounds like a good excuse for me to play then :)
May 04 18:43:26 <joerg> mount failed
May 04 18:43:51 <joerg> keyboard doesn't really work
May 04 18:43:52 <j0wn> yikes
May 04 18:44:10 <johnx> keyboard doesn't work? seems fine here. what's up with it?
May 04 18:44:10 <j0wn> mine mounts but if i do a df .. i get an immediate I/O Error
May 04 18:44:36 <j0wn> sometimes the echo isnt there
May 04 18:44:40 <joerg> hmm
May 04 18:44:43 <joerg> the keyboard works
May 04 18:44:44 <j0wn> its typing but you dont see it
May 04 18:44:51 <joerg> but I cannot see what I type
May 04 18:44:58 <j0wn> right
May 04 18:45:06 <j0wn> its all according as to where the boot fails
May 04 18:45:22 <j0wn> its annoying when that happends
May 04 18:46:31 <joerg> why does it run fsck.ext3?
May 04 18:46:36 <joerg> when I have an ext2 fs?
May 04 18:46:43 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 18:46:48 <j0wn> that might cause issues
May 04 18:47:26 <johnx> they're the same file on my desktop...
May 04 18:47:27 <j0wn> should we try ext3 on our cards?
May 04 18:47:43 <j0wn> oh ok
May 04 18:48:00 <joerg> well
May 04 18:48:10 <joerg> actually ext2 and ext3 is not that different
May 04 18:48:21 <joerg> ext3 is the same as ext2 with a journal
May 04 18:48:26 <johnx> you could. I've done it on a 2GB card before. Some people think that the concentrated writes to the journal area are likely to kill the card faster
May 04 18:48:41 <joerg> but you can mount an ext3 partition on a machine that only supports ext2
May 04 18:48:44 <j0wn> right
May 04 18:49:22 <j0wn> would'nt it be a good idea to use the flash ffs since it was built for SD/CF cards ?
May 04 18:49:38 <joerg> zero length partition
May 04 18:49:41 <joerg> lool
May 04 18:49:44 <j0wn> hehe
May 04 18:49:48 <joerg> I begin to hate
May 04 18:49:50 <joerg> it
May 04 18:49:56 <j0wn> i reckon the fsck .. royally fscked it
May 04 18:49:58 <joerg> I wil switch back to OZ and linux 2.4
May 04 18:50:34 <j0wn> johnx, whats the verdict on the cf card?
May 04 18:50:57 <johnx> I think the right modules aren't getting loaded for it
May 04 18:51:26 <j0wn> you gunna modify the altboot module section?
May 04 18:51:41 <johnx> yeah
May 04 18:51:54 <johnx> I'll boot to console image and do it from there
May 04 18:52:00 <j0wn> thats what i do
May 04 18:52:14 <johnx> ah, to respond to your earlier message: I'm not entirely sure, but I believe you can only use jffs2 directly on an mtd device. Also, the card does do it's own internal wear leveling
May 04 18:52:17 <joerg> angström and linux 2.4....would that be possible?
May 04 18:53:10 <johnx> I don't think so
May 04 18:54:27 <j0wn> I so need a faster box for bitbaking ;)
May 04 18:55:31 <johnx> uhm, I accidentally suspended in the middle of a vi session. Is there some trick to bringing it back?
May 04 18:55:53 <CoreDump> hmmm
May 04 18:56:01 <CoreDump> fg 1
May 04 18:56:03 <CoreDump> ?
May 04 18:56:03 <kario> fg
May 04 18:56:15 <johnx> the other suspend :)
May 04 18:56:28 <johnx> ie, my collie is in apm suspend
May 04 18:56:35 <CoreDump> try the fg
May 04 18:56:42 <j0wn> fg?
May 04 18:57:30 <johnx> suspend as in powersaving, not suspend as in process is stopped
May 04 18:58:10 <johnx> I guess I held Cancel for too long and it got interpretted as "suspend" instead of "escape"
May 04 18:59:35 <johnx> nevermind, I'll just reboot it I guess and be more careful next time O_o
May 04 19:01:41 <j0wn> I so did that hehe
May 04 19:04:42 <joerg> the sd driver is definitely broken
May 04 19:04:46 <joerg> the fileystem is clean
May 04 19:04:54 <joerg> after checking it twice on my pc
May 04 19:08:03 <j0wn> joerg, Sounds like a positive ID ... im wondering if pavels patches are in their
May 04 19:09:03 <joerg> I don't know
May 04 19:09:05 <joerg> anyway
May 04 19:09:12 <joerg> I have tried to build pavels git tree
May 04 19:09:19 <joerg> everything works fine
May 04 19:09:30 <joerg> but the mtd doesn't work
May 04 19:09:42 <joerg> (or I am not able to make it work)
May 04 19:10:16 <johnx> grrr...screwed up altboot. I'll need to reflash...
May 04 19:11:30 <j0wn> joerg, whats the git::// url?
May 04 19:11:33 <Laibsch> @the collie crowd: Yes, of course the collie driver needs work
May 04 19:11:43 <Laibsch> It is being rewritten for 2.6
May 04 19:11:50 <j0wn> really?
May 04 19:11:51 <Laibsch> It never ran stable so far
May 04 19:11:56 <j0wn> ok cool
May 04 19:12:01 <Laibsch> thesing is the one to talk to
May 04 19:12:09 <Laibsch> There is also a bug tracking these things
May 04 19:12:11 <j0wn> thank you :)
May 04 19:12:31 <Laibsch> !oebug 2148
May 04 19:12:32 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2148, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-28 01:31
May 04 19:12:33 <cdbot2> * * <Laibsch>: \[META\]\[MACH\] collie bugs, mainly in Angstrom and derivatives
May 04 19:12:34 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2148
May 04 19:12:35 <Laibsch> for general stuff
May 04 19:13:10 <Laibsch> and the SD one is/was
May 04 19:13:15 <Laibsch> !oebug 2161
May 04 19:13:16 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2161, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: 2007-04-29 07:48
May 04 19:13:17 <cdbot2> * * <Laibsch>: unrecognized cards with new collie SD card driver
May 04 19:13:18 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2161
May 04 19:13:37 <Laibsch> Thomas Kunze is the guy
May 04 19:19:24 <joerg> git://www.inran.lkams.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pavel/zaurus.git/
May 04 19:20:26 <johnx> j0wn, I'm off to sleep for tonight. I'll probably get opie booting from cf tomorrow and tell you about it. I just want to thank anyone and everyone involved in the angstrom project for their great work. :D
May 04 19:25:45 <joerg> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pavel/zaurus.git
May 04 19:25:56 <joerg> j0wn, thats the correct one
May 04 19:27:56 * Laibsch thinks it important to mention his non-affiliation with the Angstrom project
May 04 19:28:40 <johnx> (...and thanks to the people who aren't part of the angstrom project but are helpful anyways...)
May 04 19:28:54 * johnx really goes to bed this time O_o
May 04 19:30:14 <CoreDump> johnx: I can identify with your last statement. You are very welcome ;)
May 04 19:31:14 <joerg> ERROR: Required build target 'altboot-console-image' has no buildable providers.
May 04 19:31:14 <joerg> Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['altboot-console-image', 'zaurus-updater']
May 04 19:31:41 <CoreDump> <CoreDump> johnx: remove EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS += "zaurus-updater" in zaurus-2.6.inc
May 04 19:32:15 <joerg> where is that file?
May 04 19:32:38 <CoreDump> somewhere in conf/machine#
May 04 19:32:50 <CoreDump> "find" is your friend ;)
May 04 19:33:24 <joerg> find finds nothing.
May 04 19:33:34 <joerg> joerg@joerg-desktop:~/OE/build$ find ../org.openembedded.dev | grep zaurus.inc
May 04 19:34:57 <CoreDump> +mhentges@oe-collie:..rg.openembedded.dev/conf >find . -name "*zaurus-2.6.inc*"
May 04 19:34:57 <CoreDump> ./machine/include/zaurus-2.6.inc
May 04 19:35:28 <joerg> oh, sorry
May 04 19:35:33 <joerg> forgot the -2.6
May 04 19:36:11 <j0wn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UqfNF84RIE&feature=related  < this is quite neat
May 04 19:38:38 <j0wn> ack wrong window .. sorry
May 04 19:39:07 <j0wn> that was rather random hehe
May 05 01:13:19 <Whyvas> angstrom irc client?
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