**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 02:59:57 2008 Jun 04 12:36:16 Hi for all Jun 04 13:45:31 hey all Jun 04 13:46:07 anyone here get wpa_supplicant working on the spitz/akita? Jun 04 13:53:02 hm Jun 04 13:53:11 also my hostap card shows up as eth0 for some reason Jun 04 13:59:04 sounds like you have the orinoco drivers installed Jun 04 14:00:36 OH? Jun 04 14:00:38 ah Jun 04 14:00:43 can i just remove them? Jun 04 14:01:10 XorA: good call :) Jun 04 14:01:42 kantlivelong: :-D Jun 04 14:02:18 maybe you can answer this one too Jun 04 14:02:25 using 2.6.24 my wireless refused to work Jun 04 14:02:32 i downgraded to 23 manually Jun 04 14:02:47 how can i have ipkg handle the 2.6.23 modules instead of 24? Jun 04 14:03:02 kantlivelong: only manually :-( Jun 04 14:03:42 ah darn Jun 04 14:03:51 is it a known problem for 24 to have hostap issues? Jun 04 14:03:51 grr, I hate session chairs that let talks run long Jun 04 14:03:56 it wouldnt work w/ wep Jun 04 14:04:04 lol Jun 04 14:04:20 this costs me eating time Jun 04 14:05:26 haha Jun 04 14:05:46 hello Jun 04 14:05:52 XorA: you were right :) Jun 04 14:05:56 damn orinoco Jun 04 14:06:13 yeah, they are annoying drivers Jun 04 14:06:25 claim lots of cards that should be done by hostap Jun 04 14:06:37 kantlivelong: can you log a bug with pccardctl ident of your card Jun 04 14:06:53 kantlivelong: then Im sure hrw can add that to his list of black cards Jun 04 14:08:11 yea Jun 04 14:08:25 odd Jun 04 14:09:52 wtf Jun 04 14:10:00 udhcpc says its not a valid device Jun 04 14:10:24 udhcpc -i wlan0 Jun 04 14:10:43 yeah Jun 04 14:10:48 i did it w/o the -i Jun 04 14:10:55 but it worked for eth0 w/o that -i Jun 04 14:11:00 whichever :) Jun 04 14:14:38 * XorA boots udhcpc Jun 04 14:16:29 hehe Jun 04 14:16:40 i dont get why bash isnt installed by default Jun 04 14:16:44 so much better :) Jun 04 14:18:21 question, also here: Jun 04 14:18:28 where can QA logging normally be found? Jun 04 14:19:32 kantlivelong: bash be defualt makes ssh segfault :-( Jun 04 14:20:25 not for me :) Jun 04 14:20:30 i can ssh w/ bash Jun 04 14:20:37 its set as my default shell Jun 04 14:20:41 i can ssh in just fine Jun 04 14:22:34 kantlivelong: hmm, maybe that fixed itself then Jun 04 14:23:55 just dont ln sh > bash Jun 04 14:24:02 thats freaks out the boot Jun 04 14:24:08 kept throwing me in init5 Jun 04 14:24:12 i was like wtf Jun 04 14:24:14 hmm Jun 04 14:24:15 weird Jun 04 14:24:20 i removed my wireless card Jun 04 14:24:22 plug it in Jun 04 14:24:23 yeah its because busybox isnt compatible Jun 04 14:24:24 screen goes nutz Jun 04 14:24:32 so the init scripts call with different args Jun 04 14:24:36 and no wifi Jun 04 14:26:04 also Jun 04 14:26:11 is it possible to edit the matchbox menus? Jun 04 14:26:24 i kinda want fluxbox as my WM but matchbox as my panel Jun 04 14:32:13 what does this mean? Jun 04 14:32:14 'evil hides inside the .la, staging, /staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libmudflap.la' Jun 04 14:32:16 ? Jun 04 14:32:42 lol? Jun 04 14:32:55 no idea? Jun 04 14:33:01 its a devil worshiper Jun 04 14:33:05 no clue :| Jun 04 14:33:14 google doesn't really help and the code of the procedure is not that helpful to me Jun 04 14:35:25 .la contains installed=yes ? Jun 04 14:38:46 other issue is alos .la files Jun 04 14:38:51 s/alos/also/ Jun 04 14:38:57 so how do I fix the .la files? Jun 04 15:16:51 ne1 no? Jun 04 15:17:01 is it possible to edit matchbox menus? Jun 04 15:23:13 I think so kantlivelong Jun 04 15:23:19 sounds very reasonable to do so Jun 04 15:28:22 kantlivelong: what are you trying to do? Jun 04 15:28:34 summatusmentis: customize the menu Jun 04 15:28:38 i wanna use fluxbox as my wm Jun 04 15:28:44 and matchbox panel for the task Jun 04 15:28:45 but dunno how Jun 04 15:29:05 kantlivelong: you wnat matchbox-panel on top of fluxbox? I don't know if that's possible Jun 04 15:29:55 hmm Jun 04 15:29:56 darn Jun 04 15:30:37 http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5966737838.html Jun 04 15:31:22 links are not helpfull there but article is Jun 04 15:33:18 hmm k Jun 04 15:33:26 i just h8 how it makes everything so big Jun 04 15:33:31 and forces fullscreen Jun 04 15:34:32 i doubt matchbox applets will load on flux right? Jun 04 15:35:47 doubtful... I don't know though Jun 04 15:36:04 damn Jun 04 15:42:12 some of them might work: the ones that are full apps that just show a generic tray icon Jun 04 15:42:47 johnx: thats my goal.. hoping for battery meter and such Jun 04 16:13:27 grr Jun 04 16:13:37 my wireless card is making my Z freak out all of a sudden Jun 04 16:14:14 etf Jun 04 16:14:15 wtf Jun 04 16:14:19 why is it freaking out! Jun 04 16:16:14 power draw probably? Jun 04 16:16:24 when does it freak out? insert? eject? Jun 04 16:17:09 insert Jun 04 16:17:15 dmesg says no PRI f/w Jun 04 16:17:17 :| Jun 04 16:17:23 O_o Jun 04 16:17:26 hmm...that is interesting Jun 04 16:17:30 it just happend out of nowhere Jun 04 16:17:39 can i reflash it? Jun 04 16:17:58 the card firmware is uploaded from the system on insert, IIRC Jun 04 16:19:46 :| Jun 04 16:20:00 hope my card is fine Jun 04 16:21:05 heh Jun 04 16:21:12 entire system goes nutz Jun 04 16:23:13 u have the jumper set right? Jun 04 16:23:57 can you describe what happens? goes nutz is a little vague :P Jun 04 16:24:06 uh Jun 04 16:24:11 screen goes whiteish Jun 04 16:24:15 flickers Jun 04 16:24:20 aaah...until you pull the card? Jun 04 16:24:31 yeah, power problem it seems like Jun 04 16:24:45 no Jun 04 16:24:48 it stops after a few Jun 04 16:24:58 does it for like 15secs Jun 04 16:25:10 its never done this b4 Jun 04 16:25:11 ah, I never left mine long enough I guess Jun 04 16:25:38 it would depend on the level of charge I would assume Jun 04 16:25:52 and I'm not necessarily saying more charge = better Jun 04 16:26:19 its plugged in Jun 04 16:27:13 I've heard it can happen in that situation too Jun 04 16:27:24 hmm Jun 04 16:27:33 it seems like the prism f/w got fscked up Jun 04 16:27:55 ill just reflash it i guess Jun 04 16:28:02 which card? an ambicom wl11xx or so? Jun 04 16:28:17 Senao Jun 04 16:31:54 damnit all Jun 04 16:32:02 need download suppor Jun 04 16:32:03 tlame Jun 04 16:32:06 LAME! Jun 04 16:38:43 weird Jun 04 16:38:49 i waited like 10mins Jun 04 16:38:52 and reinstered it Jun 04 16:38:53 now it works Jun 04 16:38:58 teh fook Jun 04 17:07:02 does pidgin not have AIM support in angstrom? Jun 04 17:11:44 it's split into a separate package Jun 04 17:12:01 probably with aim or oscar or icq in the name Jun 04 17:12:09 johnx i figured that Jun 04 17:12:11 but i dont see it Jun 04 17:13:43 it's the libpurple plugins Jun 04 17:13:46 libpurple-protocol-aim Jun 04 17:14:02 ah Jun 04 17:14:05 that should be renamed Jun 04 17:14:18 why? it's not technically pidgin Jun 04 17:14:20 hmmm...but it's correct Jun 04 17:14:29 finch uses libpurple plugins too Jun 04 17:14:36 true.. Jun 04 17:14:42 but finch is just a CLI pidgin Jun 04 17:14:56 no, pidgin is just a GUI finch Jun 04 17:15:10 they made finch after pidgin :) Jun 04 17:15:11 Adium uses libpurple aslo Jun 04 17:15:29 eh well Jun 04 17:15:33 a virtual package might be nice Jun 04 17:15:34 all i know is i got flux working Jun 04 17:15:37 im happy now :) Jun 04 17:15:40 also, johnx: stop following me :) Jun 04 17:15:45 heh Jun 04 17:15:55 I was here first :P Jun 04 17:16:01 oh... yeah, ok, touche Jun 04 17:16:14 :) Jun 04 17:16:19 this channel ain't big 'nough for the both of us. :P Jun 04 17:16:31 uh oh.... Jun 04 17:16:35 * summatusmentis walsk 6 paces Jun 04 17:16:40 walks* Jun 04 17:16:51 * johnx draws ... a little picture in xournal Jun 04 17:17:02 * summatusmentis ducks! Jun 04 17:17:03 oh Jun 04 17:17:12 don't scare me like that Jun 04 17:17:56 :P Jun 04 17:20:03 so johnx, you still use both your Z and n8x0 ? Jun 04 17:20:11 yup Jun 04 17:20:20 for different things? Jun 04 17:20:22 working on getting hildon working on the z right now Jun 04 17:20:25 yeah Jun 04 17:20:33 the z for ebooks and anything involving typing Jun 04 17:20:42 the n800 for web stuff and music Jun 04 17:20:52 oh, n800, that would explain part of it Jun 04 17:21:12 and C1000 instead of a C3x00 Jun 04 17:21:15 n800 has a bigger screen than the z though, wouldn't ebooks work well? Jun 04 17:21:29 they do, but I prefer holding the Z Jun 04 17:21:36 especially in portrait mode Jun 04 17:21:40 fair enough Jun 04 17:22:11 holding the n800 in portrait mode gives me "gamer's claw" pressing the "page down" all the time Jun 04 17:22:23 oh, yeah, I could see that Jun 04 17:22:41 I wish they'd given the keyboard a bit more room on the n810 so the numbers weren't fn keys Jun 04 17:23:02 I wish I had an n800 mobo in a C1000 case Jun 04 17:23:28 why? Jun 04 17:24:04 I like the C1000 form factor better, but the N800 is faster Jun 04 17:24:13 I'd like the n800's screen, too of course :D Jun 04 17:24:26 the n800 looks good Jun 04 17:24:31 but i dont like its design Jun 04 17:24:38 n810 looks better :) Jun 04 17:24:45 nah Jun 04 17:24:48 how you like the d-pad on it summatusmentis? Jun 04 17:24:51 i like the latop/tablet feel Jun 04 17:25:13 im gonna go to starbucks this friday and type a novel on it Jun 04 17:25:14 lol Jun 04 17:25:17 johnx: it's a bit flat, but otherwise, it's nice Jun 04 17:25:33 good to hear Jun 04 17:25:47 the N800's is pretty bad Jun 04 17:25:48 and I like how close the keyboard is in proximity to the screen, makes a stylus less required Jun 04 17:26:13 it's hard for me to tell if I'm hitting the middle button or one of the arrows, but you get used to it Jun 04 17:26:27 right now I'm holding out on the pandora and whatever Nokia's next major tablet is Jun 04 17:26:37 i really wish spitz/akita locked in when its open like a laptop tho Jun 04 17:26:49 very annoying using stylus when its moving back Jun 04 17:26:57 always holding the screen Jun 04 17:27:02 the hinge on mine is still solid though after all these years Jun 04 17:27:09 hasn't loosened much at all Jun 04 17:27:21 my hinge is good too Jun 04 17:27:34 it just doesnt lock in place where id like it too Jun 04 17:30:07 johnx: how do you find time to hack around so much? Jun 04 17:30:38 heh...not having much of a life right now Jun 04 17:30:51 I work nights and take days in the middle of the week off :/ Jun 04 17:31:06 hmm Jun 04 17:31:23 I have trouble balancing my family, my gf, and my summer of code stuff Jun 04 17:31:36 or during school, gf, school, and my wanting to hack Jun 04 17:32:04 a lot of the time my wife is actually asleep by the time I get home... Jun 04 17:32:57 mm Jun 04 17:33:06 well, you live with her, you see her a lot Jun 04 17:33:37 actually, sometimes when are schedules don't line up I barely see her for a couple days Jun 04 17:33:59 well, that's better than once a month :) Jun 04 17:34:07 well definitely Jun 04 17:34:33 yeah, it's not too bad. but I end up with a lot of time in the middle of the night to hack on stuff Jun 04 17:34:54 but right now I should stop hacking and start sleeping O_o Jun 04 17:34:56 at least it's time :) Jun 04 17:35:23 early shift tomorrow :/ bleh :P Jun 04 17:37:02 yeah, setting my own GSOC hours is nice Jun 04 17:37:20 how goes your project? Jun 04 17:37:39 slowly... I'm documenting OpenAFS code so I can have a basis to write kAFS code on :) Jun 04 17:37:53 in other words, reading ~4k likes of C :-D Jun 04 17:39:06 ow Jun 04 17:39:36 lol, and then I get to backtrack struct definitions, so I can tell what the code is doing :) Jun 04 17:41:40 I'm having enough pain just digging through this sapwood code... Jun 04 17:42:37 a lot of these functions are pretty similar, and have similar structs defined, so it's not bad Jun 04 17:42:40 just boring Jun 04 17:43:20 I'm just trying to figure out why this fails on one arm machine and works on others...and slowly going insane Jun 04 17:43:42 I guess I'll just sit on the train and read all of sapwood's code tomorrow Jun 04 17:44:11 how does it detect which state my screen is in? Jun 04 17:44:16 the hinge Jun 04 17:44:55 those little buttons near the hinge Jun 04 17:45:12 yeah but what handles it? Jun 04 17:45:32 zaurusd which runs switchevd IIRC Jun 04 17:45:39 ah ok Jun 04 17:45:53 to run things on events look under /etc/zaurusd/ Jun 04 17:45:53 hopefully that'll change once OM summer of code projects finish Jun 04 17:46:01 ah simple Jun 04 17:46:02 ok :) Jun 04 17:46:10 heh Jun 04 17:46:16 what r they planning to change? Jun 04 17:46:29 they're working on odeviced, which will allow a much more modular approach(may still end up calling switchdevd, but it'll be a better solution) Jun 04 17:46:43 hmm ok :) Jun 04 17:47:30 so that there will be one dbus device daemon, with modular plugins depending on devices Jun 04 17:47:54 what can i do to get mplayer working properly? Jun 04 17:47:57 it's better, cleaner, and doesn't require zaurusd, neod, slugd, etc. Jun 04 17:47:57 I actually like dbus...just as long as I can still use dbus-scripts Jun 04 17:48:21 tis very laggy Jun 04 17:48:46 kantlivelong: drop your resolution down to 240x320, and turn on the framedrop flag Jun 04 17:49:05 and use the pxa optoin Jun 04 17:49:24 pxa? Jun 04 17:49:32 -vo pxa Jun 04 17:49:40 that's it, -vo Jun 04 17:49:52 -vm I think makes it fullscreen Jun 04 17:50:19 and I meant 320x240 for the res ) Jun 04 17:50:21 heh wow Jun 04 17:50:23 :-D Jun 04 17:50:24 screen just went white Jun 04 17:50:40 that cant be good Jun 04 17:50:48 oh... it used to work :) Jun 04 17:51:15 interesting Jun 04 17:51:25 I thought the whitescreen thing only happened on akitas Jun 04 17:51:35 dunno Jun 04 17:51:42 obviously not :D Jun 04 17:51:50 indeed Jun 04 17:51:57 oh well Jun 04 17:52:01 vid isnt my main priority Jun 04 17:52:07 that's good Jun 04 17:52:21 wish i could have OC tho Jun 04 17:52:31 use a yonggun kernel Jun 04 17:52:42 younggun kernel> Jun 04 17:52:59 yes, I believe that's his name Jun 04 17:53:06 hopefully not misspelled Jun 04 17:53:18 OC? Jun 04 17:53:18 what ver is it? Jun 04 17:53:33 .24 is what I have Jun 04 17:53:51 hmm Jun 04 17:53:54 i need 23 Jun 04 17:54:00 is it just a patched angstrom? Jun 04 17:54:05 I think so Jun 04 17:54:11 what was your need for .23 again? Jun 04 17:54:31 WEP doesnt work w/ hostap Jun 04 17:54:49 isn't that just a case of getting modules you need? Jun 04 17:55:07 did Jun 04 17:55:10 still wouldnt work Jun 04 17:55:54 I bet there's a way to make it work Jun 04 17:56:08 but, then again, I don't use WEP... Jun 04 17:56:08 possibly Jun 04 17:56:22 ill look at it again later Jun 04 17:56:23 :) Jun 04 17:56:38 wheres this damned kernel Jun 04 17:56:39 lol Jun 04 17:57:12 google: yonggun zaurus kernel Jun 04 17:58:24 how do u oc then? Jun 04 17:58:38 just muck with cpufreq Jun 04 17:58:56 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25351 Jun 04 18:00:02 guess ill be trying 2.6.24 again Jun 04 18:00:02 lol Jun 04 18:00:26 oh, over cock Jun 04 18:00:28 clock* Jun 04 18:00:58 yeh Jun 04 18:00:58 : Jun 04 18:01:01 :) Jun 04 18:01:07 mmm Jun 04 18:01:11 this Z is looking good now Jun 04 18:01:20 is there an easy way to backup my microdrive/ Jun 04 18:01:20 ? Jun 04 18:01:42 rsync? Jun 04 18:01:55 or dd Jun 04 18:02:02 yeha Jun 04 18:02:03 depending on what you want... Jun 04 18:02:05 i figured dd Jun 04 18:02:12 but where would i do it? Jun 04 18:02:18 cant do it while runnng the os Jun 04 18:02:27 a big cf or sd card Jun 04 18:02:31 or use netcat Jun 04 18:02:39 or use rsync over ssh Jun 04 18:02:51 can i go into the little sharp recovery console and do it? Jun 04 18:02:54 does it detect SD? Jun 04 18:03:24 no idea Jun 04 18:03:29 hmm ok Jun 04 18:03:31 I have a c1000 Jun 04 18:04:16 ah Jun 04 18:04:23 so does my cousin Jun 04 18:04:45 i just couldnt work w/ no microdrive Jun 04 18:04:48 I just run root on sd and backup by pulling the card and using rsync in my desktop's card reader :D Jun 04 18:04:48 yeah i can boot off SD Jun 04 18:04:49 but Jun 04 18:04:50 meh Jun 04 18:05:00 i like having that free SD Jun 04 18:05:00 :) Jun 04 18:05:06 put my psx roms on it Jun 04 18:05:09 definitely. I wish I had a c3x00 now Jun 04 18:05:11 and whatnot Jun 04 18:05:14 but I didn't have the money then Jun 04 18:05:32 + having a swapspace is excellent Jun 04 18:05:43 * johnx swaps to sd Jun 04 18:05:53 johnx: I've got one for sale... >_> Jun 04 18:05:57 that rapes yours SD tho Jun 04 18:05:57 :) Jun 04 18:06:11 kantlivelong, a 2GB card is like $10 Jun 04 18:06:18 yeah true Jun 04 18:06:25 that's less than a movie ticket here Jun 04 18:06:25 when i had a poodle they were like $50 Jun 04 18:06:51 when they cost that much I bought cards with lifetime warranties :D Jun 04 18:06:59 haha :P Jun 04 18:07:02 smart Jun 04 18:07:05 only ever had one card die that I thought was from swapping Jun 04 18:07:16 the replacement hasn't died yet Jun 04 18:07:19 heh Jun 04 18:07:20 :) Jun 04 18:07:27 still like having a microdrive Jun 04 18:07:36 theres no way to add one to the akita? Jun 04 18:07:42 nope Jun 04 18:07:46 it has the space for it Jun 04 18:07:53 missing some actualy micro chips on the board Jun 04 18:07:55 and a socket Jun 04 18:07:59 ah Jun 04 18:08:11 pccardctl only reports 1 chan? Jun 04 18:08:37 yup Jun 04 18:08:40 just socket 0 Jun 04 18:09:06 apparently it's easier to add internal bluetooth than a cf socket to the akita Jun 04 18:09:50 lame Jun 04 18:09:56 hmm Jun 04 18:10:03 meh...I'll live Jun 04 18:10:03 possible to add bt to spitz? Jun 04 18:10:19 if you sacrifice your internal cf slot it's easy :D Jun 04 18:10:26 lame Jun 04 18:10:30 heh Jun 04 18:10:30 for space or? Jun 04 18:10:49 well it would be easy cause you just plug a socket brand bt card in there Jun 04 18:10:59 heh Jun 04 18:11:23 kantlivelong: yeah, because of the space inside the case Jun 04 18:11:32 darn Jun 04 18:11:48 i bet theres plenty of space in the batt compart Jun 04 18:11:54 depending on how much it needs Jun 04 18:12:04 the thread is on oesf.org Jun 04 18:12:17 the consensus was not possible on a c3x00 Jun 04 18:12:26 the baterry pretty much fills up the battery compartment Jun 04 18:12:33 you're of course free to draw your own conclusions Jun 04 18:12:57 hmm Jun 04 18:13:00 and tear apart your Z find it doesn't work, and have Z innards all over the place :) Jun 04 18:13:38