**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 09 02:59:56 2008
Jun 09 09:51:17 <ffc> Hello there
Jun 09 09:51:59 <kario> hello
Jun 09 10:00:56 <ffc> Need to make a patch in order to modify kernel conf... How can I do it? (or where can I read about it?)
Jun 09 11:31:26 <wvdschel> hi, any akita owners here?
Jun 09 11:57:27 <Jay7> Hello, pplz! I need some help with booting angstrom in qemu-system-arm..
Jun 09 14:28:55 <ffc> I need to create a recipe that recompiles current kernel changing some configuration
Jun 09 14:28:59 <ffc> How can it be done?
Jun 09 14:35:58 <ffc> How ca I launch from my recipe linux-rp task, for example?
Jun 09 14:37:07 <udovdh> bitbake -c blah
Jun 09 14:37:10 <udovdh> bitbake blah?
Jun 09 14:37:19 <udovdh> bitbake -c clean blah
Jun 09 14:37:21 <udovdh> I mean
Jun 09 14:37:24 <udovdh> then
Jun 09 14:37:27 <udovdh> bitbake blah
Jun 09 14:38:11 <XorA> bitbake linux-rp -c menuconfig
Jun 09 14:47:42 <ffc> mmm
Jun 09 14:49:11 <ffc> What I want is to launch my recipe "bitbake mytask" and that recipe add a patch to kernel generation
Jun 09 14:49:27 <ffc> I need my task to have mipv6 support
Jun 09 14:49:58 <ffc> but I need this task to be launched by someone else, not just me, and from a different computer
Jun 09 14:50:32 <ffc> Maybe I'm not explaining well...
Jun 09 14:54:00 <ffc> XorA: What's the difference between bitbake <task> and bitbake -c <task>?
Jun 09 14:54:43 <XorA> bitbake recipe -c task is where you can selectively run stuff
Jun 09 14:54:57 <XorA> bitbake recipe -c patch only runs as far as patch for example
Jun 09 14:55:05 <dcordes> ffc: I think you confuse task with package
Jun 09 14:55:45 <dcordes> bitbake <package> -c <task>
Jun 09 14:58:54 <ffc> dcordes: you're right :-P
Jun 09 15:01:33 <dcordes> ffc: to automate the kernel configuration you could for example add a patch for the .config to your recipe or fetch the entire config from somewhere
Jun 09 15:02:17 <ffc> the problem is that I'd like only to patch the kernel if someone launches my recipe, not always
Jun 09 15:04:07 <ffc> maybe something like task-console-mipv6 but as long as it doesn't work... make a working one
Jun 09 15:04:44 <ffc> and that task needs kernel to be modified
Jun 09 15:13:50 <Jay7> Can somebody help me with writing recipe for fvwm2?
Jun 09 15:14:54 <Jay7> recipe is already written mostly, but fvwm fails to compile
Jun 09 15:51:06 <dcordes> Jay7: if you show me your recipe I can look at it :)
Jun 09 15:51:22 <Jay7> one moment, plz :)
Jun 09 15:52:31 <Jay7> http://pastebin.org/42592
Jun 09 15:52:38 <Jay7> here is recipe
Jun 09 15:53:11 <Jay7> but fvwm fails to configure (i solve this) and compile :)
Jun 09 15:55:13 <dcordes> Jay7: so configure works with the recipe in the pastebin but compile not?
Jun 09 15:55:39 <Jay7> dcordes: no, I'm making patch right now
Jun 09 15:55:58 <dcordes> Makefile patch for cross compile :) ?
Jun 09 15:56:08 <Jay7> configure.ac :)
Jun 09 15:56:44 <Jay7> .. and then may me makefile :)
Jun 09 15:56:54 <Jay7> *may be :)
Jun 09 15:57:04 <dcordes> ok
Jun 09 16:14:24 <Jay7> dcordes: quick&dirty configure patch is ready
Jun 09 16:14:39 <Jay7> updated recipe - http://pastebin.org/42598
Jun 09 16:16:11 <Jay7> patch - http://pastebin.org/42600
Jun 09 16:19:51 <Jay7> compile error - http://pastebin.org/42602
Jun 09 16:34:05 <johnx> ahh...you likely need to find where that's getting done in configure and fix it
Jun 09 16:34:20 <johnx> or maybe patch the makefile after configure runs (no suggested)
Jun 09 16:36:19 <Jay7> johnx: i can't find :) /usr/include does not exists in configure.ac, Makefile.am and Makefile.in
Jun 09 16:36:26 <Jay7> but it exists in Makefile..
Jun 09 16:36:37 <johnx> hmm
Jun 09 16:36:38 <Jay7> may be CFLAGS?
Jun 09 16:36:47 <johnx> maybe
Jun 09 16:37:15 <Jay7> can I see CLAGS before compiling?
Jun 09 16:37:39 <johnx> well, OE won't add -I/usr/include
Jun 09 16:37:57 <Jay7> hm.. 
Jun 09 16:38:11 <johnx> I don't know why it's in the Makefile but not .am or .in
Jun 09 16:40:51 <Jay7> config.status have ansvers..
Jun 09 16:41:22 <Jay7> --includedir=/usr/include
Jun 09 16:41:36 <Jay7> but how?
Jun 09 16:42:30 <Jay7> ok, can I override it in recipe?
Jun 09 16:42:33 <udovdh> OE_EXTRACONF or something like that?
Jun 09 16:42:59 <udovdh> see http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m
Jun 09 16:43:02 <Jay7> EXTRA_OECONF
Jun 09 16:43:28 <Jay7> is it right way to set --include= there?
Jun 09 16:43:31 <udovdh> in the navit cvs part
Jun 09 16:43:39 <udovdh> I see no problem
Jun 09 16:43:40 <Jay7> udovdh: 10x
Jun 09 16:43:44 <udovdh> it is the ./configure options
Jun 09 16:43:54 <udovdh> as far as I know
Jun 09 16:44:05 <udovdh> and that page shows all I had to do to make navit build
Jun 09 16:44:20 <udovdh> slowly the bugs mentioned are being fixed
Jun 09 16:45:31 <udovdh> cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362
Jun 09 16:45:34 <udovdh> that is a bad one
Jun 09 16:45:43 <Jay7> and where to point --includedir? ${STAGING_INCDIR}?
Jun 09 16:45:44 <udovdh> not a patch problem or a configure issue I guess
Jun 09 16:45:55 <udovdh> can't help you there, sorry
Jun 09 16:46:07 <Jay7> ok
Jun 09 16:46:09 <udovdh> maybe check the other recipes for this 
Jun 09 16:46:23 <udovdh> grep include */* from the packages dir
Jun 09 16:46:25 <Jay7> I look into icewm
Jun 09 16:46:43 <Jay7> --x-includes=${STAGING_INCDIR} seems like
Jun 09 17:05:31 <Jay7> no good.. configure called with explicit --includedir=/usr/include
Jun 09 17:06:17 <johnx> that might be correct...in this case includedir might be telling it where to install headers, not where to look
Jun 09 17:06:26 <Jay7> I chech this with other packages - same behavior
Jun 09 17:14:55 <Jay7> hehe
Jun 09 17:14:58 <Jay7> XFT_CFLAGS='-I/usr/include -I/usr/include/freetype2'
Jun 09 17:19:39 <johnx> woo!
Jun 09 17:19:44 <johnx> did that fix it?
Jun 09 17:19:47 <Jay7> yep
Jun 09 17:20:30 <Jay7> grrr...
Jun 09 17:20:34 <Jay7> next step :)
Jun 09 17:21:19 <Jay7> freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory
Jun 09 17:34:55 <Jay7> brr
Jun 09 17:35:42 <Jay7> how I can start shell inside arm-chroot?
Jun 09 17:36:42 <Jay7> I should check manually what xft-config and freetype-config returns
Jun 09 18:33:28 <wvdschel> hi, any akita owners around?
Jun 09 18:35:26 <XorA|gone> we avoid akita owners :-)
Jun 09 18:36:17 * johnx is here
Jun 09 18:37:10 <johnx> wvdschel, what's the question?
Jun 09 18:39:25 <wvdschel> aha
Jun 09 18:39:27 <wvdschel> erm
Jun 09 18:39:33 <wvdschel> well, I'm installing debian
Jun 09 18:39:42 <wvdschel> but SD write times are TERRIBLE
Jun 09 18:39:52 <wvdschel> I've tried several SD cards
Jun 09 18:40:00 <wvdschel> and the speed is the same all over
Jun 09 18:40:07 <johnx> you have it mounted async, right?
Jun 09 18:40:20 <wvdschel> don't know, its done with updater.sh
Jun 09 18:40:32 <johnx> hmm?
Jun 09 18:40:39 <wvdschel> does it mount async in angstrom by default?
Jun 09 18:40:50 <johnx> I think it doesn't
Jun 09 18:40:54 <wvdschel> ok
Jun 09 18:41:00 <johnx> just run mount
Jun 09 18:41:09 <johnx> tell me if it says "sync" in the line for your card
Jun 09 18:41:18 <Jay7> angsrom mounts sd/mmc sync by default
Jun 09 18:41:20 <wvdschel> so this updater.sh script probably wont either, what options do I pass to mount.
Jun 09 18:41:39 <wvdschel> i'm not in angstrom, I'm just running an updater.sh script for flashing
Jun 09 18:41:40 <johnx> mount -o remount,async /media/card
Jun 09 18:42:39 <Jay7> wvdschel: flashing is slow?
Jun 09 18:42:52 <wvdschel> Jay7, I'm flashing debian
Jun 09 18:42:57 <wvdschel> so it flashes a kernel
Jun 09 18:43:03 <wvdschel> and extracts a root tarbal
Jun 09 18:43:21 <johnx> you're using updater.sh to do this?
Jun 09 18:43:33 <johnx> to put debian on an sd card?
Jun 09 18:43:40 <XorA|gone> thats just craziness
Jun 09 18:44:14 <Jay7> wvdschel: and while running debian SD is slow on write?
Jun 09 18:44:22 <XorA|gone> flash the kernel, use a PC to untar on SD card :-)
Jun 09 18:44:47 <wvdschel> don't have an sd card reader
Jun 09 18:44:59 <johnx> or do like I do: keep angstrom on flash as a rescue system, and just untar over the network if you need to
Jun 09 18:46:27 <wvdschel> mounted async now, lets see what it does now
Jun 09 18:46:47 <wvdschel> not much faster
Jun 09 18:47:15 <johnx> well, the actual hardware interface is slow
Jun 09 18:47:27 <johnx> async will help noticeably for long writes
Jun 09 18:47:39 <wvdschel> I'm gonna flash angstrom back and see if I can make it speed up there
Jun 09 18:47:50 <johnx> ok
Jun 09 18:48:04 <wvdschel> really, define slow for you?
Jun 09 18:48:05 <johnx> how will you make it speed up?
Jun 09 18:48:12 <wvdschel> because I think mine is worse
Jun 09 18:48:32 <wvdschel> 0.5MB takes 30 seconds
Jun 09 18:48:40 <johnx> ok, that's slower
Jun 09 18:49:05 <wvdschel> how much slower? :P
Jun 09 18:49:20 <johnx> I'll dd from /dev/zero
Jun 09 18:49:22 <johnx> one sec
Jun 09 18:50:03 <wvdschel> i'm tarring from CF
Jun 09 18:50:48 <johnx> that might affect it
Jun 09 18:50:59 <wvdschel> but this much?
Jun 09 18:51:05 <johnx> I don't remember if SD and CF are on the same bus
Jun 09 18:51:21 <johnx> I honestly don't know how much of an affect it would have
Jun 09 18:51:43 <wvdschel> meh, I'm gonna flash Angstrom and try a dd from there
Jun 09 18:52:41 <wvdschel> but angstrom is so flaky :( it doesn't offer much packages, and it's wifi config stuff is terrible (I know this is GPE's fault, but it's annoying since there is no alternative)
Jun 09 18:53:27 <wvdschel> any way i can get an usb stick or external hd to work?
Jun 09 18:53:42 <johnx> modprobe usb-ohci
Jun 09 18:53:58 <johnx> "flakey" angstrom will automount it nicely :P
Jun 09 18:54:20 <johnx> BTW, with async I get "2MB/s" writing to sd
Jun 09 18:54:38 <johnx> which isn't true of course, since if I unmounted then it would take quite a long time syncing
Jun 09 18:54:48 <wvdschel> that sounds like heaven compared to this :P
Jun 09 18:55:11 <johnx> it won't hold up for long transfers of course
Jun 09 18:55:23 <johnx> async means "buffer to memory" essentially
Jun 09 18:55:30 <wvdschel> yeah I know
Jun 09 18:55:51 <wvdschel> which is just peachy with a whopping 64MB of RAM ;)
Jun 09 18:56:37 <Jay7> grr... here is no freetype-config in $STAGING_DIR/$HOST_SYS/bin
Jun 09 18:56:50 <johnx> wvdschel, I'm testing with sync on
Jun 09 18:58:39 <wvdschel> it would be strange my hardware was damaged, I mean, how could that card reader get damaged to slow it down :s
Jun 09 18:58:52 <johnx> it's probably not :/
Jun 09 18:59:29 <johnx> still waiting on that 66MB write, BTW
Jun 09 18:59:46 <johnx> I think you might not have actually gotten it to remount async
Jun 09 19:00:00 <wvdschel> i rebooted, and mounted it with async
Jun 09 19:01:22 <johnx> and if you run dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/test count=6400 bs=10000
Jun 09 19:01:30 <johnx> what does it give you for a transfer rate?
Jun 09 19:01:31 <wvdschel> speeding up now, getting 6 to 10 MB per minute now :P
Jun 09 19:01:36 <wvdschel> can't check :P
Jun 09 19:01:40 <wvdschel> it's extracting
Jun 09 19:01:44 <johnx> ah
Jun 09 19:02:55 <wvdschel> johnx, I'm doing this from updater.sh, since I didn't feel like using another OS as a bootloader :P
Jun 09 19:03:10 <wvdschel> that and that would mean I had to use the angstrom kernels
Jun 09 19:03:27 <wvdschel> and the rootfs i found wasn't for angstrom kernels
Jun 09 19:03:43 <johnx> the debian rootfs?
Jun 09 19:03:58 <wvdschel> yes
Jun 09 19:04:14 <johnx> it doesn't matter what it's "for"
Jun 09 19:04:16 <wvdschel> johnx, are you running debian and angstrom on a c1000?
Jun 09 19:04:17 <johnx> it's just a rootfs
Jun 09 19:04:20 <johnx> yes
Jun 09 19:04:26 <wvdschel> yeah but you need the modules don't you?
Jun 09 19:04:29 <wvdschel> how did you install it?
Jun 09 19:04:31 <johnx> yeah
Jun 09 19:04:46 <johnx> I just used debootstrap
Jun 09 19:04:59 <johnx> put that onto a card using my card reader
Jun 09 19:05:09 <johnx> you could download a rootfs too
Jun 09 19:05:12 <johnx> makes no difference
Jun 09 19:05:22 <wvdschel> debootstrap? whats that?
Jun 09 19:05:46 <johnx> it's a debian tool for gathering a basic rootfs
Jun 09 19:06:10 <johnx> you can use it across architectures too, so I use it on my x86 debian box
Jun 09 19:06:24 <wvdschel> so how do I use it?
Jun 09 19:06:26 <johnx> then copy to akita, then chroot into that install and customize
Jun 09 19:06:57 <johnx> go here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto
Jun 09 19:07:17 <johnx> use their debootstrap line on your desktop debian/ubuntu box
Jun 09 19:07:27 <johnx> then tar it up, copy to zaurus, and chroot into it
Jun 09 19:08:08 <johnx> since you're installing to sd anyways, you might as well install angstrom on the internal flash so you have a rescue system
Jun 09 19:08:21 <wvdschel> yeah would do that
Jun 09 19:08:42 <Jay7> and what about altboot?
Jun 09 19:08:45 <wvdschel> do I need to copy over the modules for everything to work inside debian?
Jun 09 19:09:02 <wvdschel> Jay7: I'd need altboot to boot to SD, right?
Jun 09 19:09:07 <johnx> wvdschel, you need modules that match the kernel you want to use of course
Jun 09 19:09:21 <wvdschel> but those can be copied from the angstrom install
Jun 09 19:09:27 <johnx> Jay7, that's what I did for a while. Now I'm using a different kernel that actually boots from sd
Jun 09 19:09:50 <johnx> wvdschel, easier: there's a modules.tar.gz on a-o.org
Jun 09 19:10:07 <johnx> s/a-o.org/angstrom-distribution.org/
Jun 09 19:10:48 <Jay7> which package provides xft-config?
Jun 09 19:10:55 <wvdschel> johnx, which kernel?
Jun 09 19:11:04 <johnx> yonggun's I think
Jun 09 19:11:13 <wvdschel> is it better in any other aspect?
Jun 09 19:11:28 <johnx> it has cpufreq options...but they tend to make things kinda flakey
Jun 09 19:11:52 <wvdschel> as in unstable?
Jun 09 19:12:00 <johnx> surprisingly no
Jun 09 19:12:00 <wvdschel> but i could increase battery life :P hmmm :P
Jun 09 19:12:12 <johnx> just weird screen corruption that scares me when I underclock
Jun 09 19:12:14 <johnx> I'll probably switch back to a pure angstrom kernel actually
Jun 09 19:12:32 <wvdschel> that second stage debootstrap
Jun 09 19:12:39 <wvdschel> that has to be done from angstrom I suppose?
Jun 09 19:12:40 <johnx> run it on the device
Jun 09 19:12:43 <johnx> yeah
Jun 09 19:12:52 <johnx> or your updater.sh if you want to make your life difficult
Jun 09 19:13:03 <wvdschel> no, I don't :P thank you ;)
Jun 09 19:13:22 <wvdschel> johnx, you run from SD then
Jun 09 19:13:29 <johnx> yes
Jun 09 19:13:31 <wvdschel> hows performance of a system running from SD?
Jun 09 19:13:33 <johnx> angstrom from sd
Jun 09 19:13:37 <johnx> debian from usb
Jun 09 19:13:53 <wvdschel> i'm just going to put debian on one SD and angstrom on another
Jun 09 19:14:16 <johnx> it's fine, the zaurus just isn't a fast piece of hardware really
Jun 09 19:14:23 <johnx> and it's sd slot is especially slow
Jun 09 19:14:42 <wvdschel> I'm not expecting it to race, I'm just expecting it to be responsive
Jun 09 19:14:50 <wvdschel> and compile my code when I tell it to :P
Jun 09 19:14:51 <johnx> BTW, that sd write test is still running
Jun 09 19:14:57 <johnx> up to 43MB of 66MB
Jun 09 19:15:01 <wvdschel> of 66MB?
Jun 09 19:15:04 <wvdschel> aha
Jun 09 19:15:09 <johnx> so, yes
Jun 09 19:15:09 <wvdschel> that means it's not me :P
Jun 09 19:15:17 <johnx> sync vs async makes a huge difference
Jun 09 19:16:27 <johnx> I think that means usb is actually substantially faster O_o
Jun 09 19:16:44 <wvdschel> does the zaurus power usb sticks?
Jun 09 19:17:12 <johnx> some
Jun 09 19:17:35 <Jay7> johnx: but usb takes more power afaik
Jun 09 19:17:42 <wvdschel> so not the greedy ones?
Jun 09 19:17:54 <johnx> wvdschel, it works with two out of 3 for me
Jun 09 19:18:02 <johnx> the one that doesn't was old and cheap
Jun 09 19:18:11 <wvdschel> I have 2, it'll probably work with at least one
Jun 09 19:18:12 <johnx> Jay7, it definitely has a big effect on battery
Jun 09 19:18:23 <wvdschel> I have 3 batteries, I'll manage :)
Jun 09 19:18:53 <wvdschel> extracted 148MB so far
Jun 09 19:19:03 <wvdschel> might just wait this out, just to see if my trick works
Jun 09 19:19:43 <johnx> well sync won't make a difference for writes that big
Jun 09 19:19:58 <wvdschel> I suppose not
Jun 09 19:20:06 <wvdschel> its 550MB in total I believe
Jun 09 19:20:25 <Jay7> CF is better storage, but we don't have bluetooth/wifi :)
Jun 09 19:20:38 <wvdschel> anyway, I'll probably just end up using it to create my own, more minimal debian rootfs
Jun 09 19:21:10 <johnx> debootstrap is about as minimal as you get :)
Jun 09 19:21:13 <wvdschel> Jay7: yeah, couldn't we sneak in a CF card internally? where the C3xxx models have a microdrive?
Jun 09 19:21:28 <wvdschel> johnx: I'm going a little less minimal than that :P
Jun 09 19:21:28 <johnx> wvdschel, we're missing some chips and a socket
Jun 09 19:21:39 <wvdschel> shame
Jun 09 19:21:59 <wvdschel> does the zaurus support SDIO?
Jun 09 19:22:02 <johnx> easier to wire up bluetooth inside than add another CF socket
Jun 09 19:22:19 <Jay7> but we can solder in bluetooth/wifi (USB) and free CF :)
Jun 09 19:22:33 <johnx> I honestly don't know the SDIO situation at this point O_o
Jun 09 19:22:42 <wvdschel> Jay7, but that leaches power again I suppose?
Jun 09 19:22:52 <wvdschel> 181MB now
Jun 09 19:23:11 <wvdschel> how much space does it have left inside?
Jun 09 19:23:19 <Jay7> wvdschel: here is solution - it can be switched on/off when needed/unneeded :)
Jun 09 19:23:33 <Jay7> with some additional work
Jun 09 19:23:40 <wvdschel> are there any documents on how to do this?
Jun 09 19:23:54 <Jay7> yes, one moment
Jun 09 19:24:17 <Jay7> http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/zaurus/wireless/
Jun 09 19:24:24 <Jay7> here should be
Jun 09 19:27:44 <wvdschel> it's not responding here
Jun 09 19:28:10 <johnx> same here
Jun 09 19:28:22 <johnx> there was someone on oesf.org who did bt at least
Jun 09 19:29:08 <wvdschel> google doesn't have it in cache
Jun 09 19:29:14 <Jay7> http://www.penguin.cz/~utx/zaurus/www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/zaurus/wireless/
Jun 09 19:29:20 <Jay7> here is the mirror
Jun 09 19:29:22 <wvdschel> what do you people use bluetooth for?
Jun 09 19:29:48 <johnx> headphones
Jun 09 19:30:10 <johnx> gps, keyboard or pairing to a phone are some of my future uses
Jun 09 19:30:26 <Jay7> edge/gprs via mobile when no wifi connectivity
Jun 09 19:31:44 <Jay7> ehhh
Jun 09 19:32:02 * Jay7 found a way around xft-config..
Jun 09 19:33:26 <wvdschel> that describes how to add both wifi and bt?
Jun 09 19:33:35 <Jay7> yes
Jun 09 19:33:36 <johnx> yes, read it :P
Jun 09 19:35:20 <wvdschel> I am, I was just amazed!
Jun 09 19:36:12 <Sketch> i use it for pairing to a phone, and just bought a keychain gps to use with it
Jun 09 19:36:39 <johnx> me too...if only I had the skill and confidence to pull off a hack like that...
Jun 09 19:39:17 <wvdschel> It's definitely out of my league
Jun 09 19:40:07 <Sketch> i just use a CF BT card
Jun 09 19:40:26 <Sketch> only time i use wifi anymore is at home to update my system
Jun 09 19:40:46 <wvdschel> its annoying though, these wifi cards (don't know about BT, since I don't use it) stick out to much
Jun 09 19:40:55 <wvdschel> they make it hard to access the keyboard
Jun 09 19:41:04 <wvdschel> might use a usb wifi dongle
Jun 09 19:41:10 <johnx> you get used to it...
Jun 09 19:41:18 <johnx> usb wifi probably won't work without a hub
Jun 09 19:41:19 <wvdschel> and free up that CF slot for storage
Jun 09 19:41:24 <wvdschel> why not?
Jun 09 19:41:25 <johnx> wifi is pretty power hungry
Jun 09 19:41:26 <wvdschel> power?
Jun 09 19:41:36 <wvdschel> just a 802.11b?
Jun 09 19:41:45 <wvdschel> is it that hungry? :(
Jun 09 19:41:47 <johnx> doesn't matter
Jun 09 19:41:55 <Sketch> wvdschel: that's the nice thing about the CF BT card, it doesn't stick out at all
Jun 09 19:42:04 <johnx> a/b/g/n will all probably use about the same
Jun 09 19:42:12 <Jay7> Sketch: Socket BT? :)
Jun 09 19:42:17 <Sketch> CF wifi never caused problems for me typing though
Jun 09 19:42:20 <Sketch> Jay7: yep
Jun 09 19:42:32 <Sketch> BT uses way less power
Jun 09 19:42:55 <Sketch> i don't think my z would last much more than 3 hours on wifi
Jun 09 19:43:03 <Sketch> but it'll do twice that easy on BT
Jun 09 19:43:37 <wvdschel> wifi is free though
Jun 09 19:43:43 <wvdschel> using a phone is far from free!
Jun 09 19:44:09 <johnx> depends on the hotspot and your phone's data plan 
Jun 09 19:44:24 <Sketch> i pay $20/mo for unlimited data on my phone
Jun 09 19:44:33 <Sketch> though in theory, i am not supposed to tether it to another device ;)
Jun 09 19:45:40 <wvdschel> Sketch, here unlimited data (over 3G) costs €50/mon
Jun 09 19:45:56 <wvdschel> which is about $400 with the current state of the dollar ;)
Jun 09 19:46:02 <johnx> heh
Jun 09 19:46:06 <wvdschel> no, seriously, close to $70 I suppose
Jun 09 19:46:18 <wvdschel> no unlimited gprs plans
Jun 09 19:47:15 <wvdschel> is that bbvd driver included in angstrom?
Jun 09 19:47:34 <Sketch> wvdschel: ouch ;)
Jun 09 19:47:55 <johnx> wvdschel, there's a different one for 2.6: pxa
Jun 09 19:48:01 <johnx> anyways, off to bed
Jun 09 19:48:03 <johnx> 'night all
Jun 09 19:48:21 <wvdschel> night
Jun 09 19:50:10 <wvdschel> and thanks for all the help
Jun 09 19:50:53 <johnx> sure :)
Jun 09 19:50:55 * johnx sleeps
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