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Jun 12 13:13:25 <hagisbasheruk> hi The_Niz n Crofton 
Jun 12 13:40:46 <The_Niz> hey :)
Jun 12 13:42:15 <hagisbasheruk> what you running angstrom on The_Niz ?
Jun 12 13:42:58 <The_Niz> nothing, just lounging here ;)
Jun 12 13:43:22 <The_Niz> i have plans to ports angstrom to 680 someday
Jun 12 13:43:34 <The_Niz> but my plans are mostly vague and plenty :p
Jun 12 13:43:39 <The_Niz> *port
Jun 12 13:43:49 <hagisbasheruk> same here , going to build for Mobilepro 900c soon
Jun 12 13:44:12 <The_Niz> :)
Jun 12 13:48:26 <johnx> ah, fun
Jun 12 13:48:35 <johnx> I was just looking at the 900c last night
Jun 12 13:48:41 <johnx> looks like an interesting platform
Jun 12 13:49:29 <hagisbasheruk> there is already a distro based on OE called Jlime for it :)
Jun 12 13:51:33 <johnx> already using jlime or still on wince?
Jun 12 13:52:37 <hagisbasheruk> Jlime and wince only to help someone :)
Jun 12 14:10:48 <dcordes> johnx: one nice device
Jun 12 14:13:45 <hagisbasheruk> quite suprised nobody has compiled angstrom for it yet
Jun 12 14:17:58 <johnx> I assume not many people have them
Jun 12 14:18:16 <johnx> they were pretty expensive until recently it appears
Jun 12 14:19:12 <hagisbasheruk> i got mine for $70+$20p&p so cost me only £50
Jun 12 14:19:44 <johnx> right, but originally they were quite expensive, right?
Jun 12 14:20:41 <hagisbasheruk> yup
Jun 12 14:21:14 <johnx> that's why I ended up with a zaurus c1000 2 years ago :)
Jun 12 14:21:22 <hagisbasheruk> :)
Jun 12 14:24:02 <hagisbasheruk> Jlime is at the stage where they are about to experement with jtaging it to run kernel from the flash chip , got mine ready to start lastnight
Jun 12 14:24:39 <hagisbasheruk> wired and ready to be exact :)
Jun 12 14:24:55 <johnx> scary
Jun 12 14:25:17 <johnx> I boot my zaurus from sd anyways
Jun 12 14:25:28 <johnx> makes things nice and simple to fix
Jun 12 14:26:30 <hagisbasheruk> Its fine we have a nice friend called cmonex who is very talented when comming to hacking boatloaders
Jun 12 14:27:01 <johnx> yup, I read a couple threads
Jun 12 14:27:10 <johnx> I'm always looking for cheap hardware to play with :D
Jun 12 14:28:29 <hagisbasheruk> anyway right now it is using a fat/ext2 setup for booting 
Jun 12 14:29:12 <johnx> does usb host work nicely under linux?
Jun 12 14:29:33 <hagisbasheruk> it is getting fixed right now :)
Jun 12 14:29:57 <johnx> sounds like lots of exciting stuff is in store :)
Jun 12 14:30:11 <hagisbasheruk> some mixup with irq's or memory location
Jun 12 14:32:53 <hagisbasheruk> kristoffer from Jlime is the 900c Kernel maintainer so everything sould work nicely with angstrom aswell :)
Jun 12 14:33:26 <johnx> and thankfully jlime already builds out of OE, right?
Jun 12 14:33:34 <johnx> that makes things nice and simple
Jun 12 14:33:44 <hagisbasheruk> yup ;)
Jun 12 14:34:12 <johnx> I'll keep my eyes open for a cheap 900c to come my way, definitely
Jun 12 14:34:29 <johnx> I assume the keyboard is the big selling point
Jun 12 14:35:45 <hagisbasheruk> http://devfiles.jlime.com/ bookmark for you ;) to try out Jlime before a angstrom build
Jun 12 14:36:00 <hagisbasheruk> it has a really nice keyboard
Jun 12 14:36:26 <johnx> I don't have a 900c though :P
Jun 12 14:37:14 <hagisbasheruk> get one cheap on www.hpcfactor.com ;)
Jun 12 14:38:43 <johnx> from the forums? hmm?
Jun 12 14:39:33 <hagisbasheruk> http://devfiles.jlime.com/user-documentation/mp900c/LinuxonMobilepro900_files/900c-jlime-icewm.png here is a pic
Jun 12 14:39:37 <hagisbasheruk> or ebay one
Jun 12 14:39:45 <johnx> yeah, I looked
Jun 12 14:39:56 <johnx> like I said, I might
Jun 12 14:40:07 <johnx> my zaurus is treating my nicely though
Jun 12 14:40:29 <johnx> actually, the big question: what is battery life like?
Jun 12 14:41:15 <hagisbasheruk> 10-30Hrs ,depends
Jun 12 14:41:21 <johnx> O_o
Jun 12 14:41:42 <johnx> running or in suspend?
Jun 12 14:41:56 <johnx> I assume that's with no wifi?
Jun 12 14:43:08 <hagisbasheruk> i'll post a quick irc convo afrom about 10 mins ago 
Jun 12 14:43:13 <hagisbasheruk>  <B_Lizzard_> Well, my Jornada was locked in a cabinet somewhere since 2000 and it holds about 30 hours of change if left idle on the console.
Jun 12 14:43:13 <hagisbasheruk> [13:05:30] <B_Lizzard_> Not in suspend.
Jun 12 14:43:13 <hagisbasheruk> [13:05:33] <B_Lizzard_> Just idle.
Jun 12 14:43:13 <hagisbasheruk> [13:05:34] <piroko> Holy fuck
Jun 12 14:43:13 <hagisbasheruk> [13:05:41] <piroko> Excuse my french
Jun 12 14:43:14 <hagisbasheruk> [13:05:44] <B_Lizzard_> Yeah, I was running some tests for kristoffer.
Jun 12 14:43:38 <johnx> ah, that's reasonable
Jun 12 14:43:58 <johnx> my n800 holds upwards of 10 days of charge with screen off, wifi off, idling
Jun 12 14:44:23 <hagisbasheruk> this was doing some test program
Jun 12 14:44:58 <hagisbasheruk> <B_Lizzard_> A script running echoing the battery status to a file every 10 seconds.
Jun 12 14:45:35 <johnx> that is pretty good
Jun 12 14:46:32 <hagisbasheruk> do you build for angstrom johnx ?
Jun 12 14:46:48 <johnx> I compile stuff for myself
Jun 12 14:47:44 <hagisbasheruk> cross build using OE or other?
Jun 12 14:47:58 <johnx> OE sometimes, Debian native sometimes, Debian in qemu sometimes
Jun 12 14:48:04 <johnx> though OE, right now :)
Jun 12 14:48:18 <johnx> trying to get hildon apps made for the n800 working on my zaurus :)
Jun 12 14:48:50 <hagisbasheruk> :) its nice to tinker
Jun 12 14:49:18 <hagisbasheruk> thats why i am getting a beagleboard when there is a public relese
Jun 12 14:49:35 <johnx> I'm looking at the pandora actually
Jun 12 14:49:58 <johnx> if I wasn't saving money for that I'd be more interested in a 900/900c
Jun 12 14:50:01 <hagisbasheruk> yup , same thing really
Jun 12 14:50:17 <johnx> the omap3 is going to be a really killer chipset
Jun 12 14:50:28 <johnx> already the omap2 is quite nice under Linux
Jun 12 14:50:50 <hagisbasheruk> 900c is nice for compiling code on the way to work 
Jun 12 14:51:35 <johnx> so is my zaurus, but my n800 is a lot faster
Jun 12 14:52:02 <hagisbasheruk> portable devices are fun 
Jun 12 14:52:09 <johnx> they are at that :D
Jun 12 14:54:55 <johnx> what do you use your 900 for mostly?
Jun 12 14:56:13 <hagisbasheruk> irc n learning C rightnow , also testing kernels
Jun 12 14:56:54 <johnx> I'm painfully re-learning C as I hack on this stuff
Jun 12 14:58:15 <hagisbasheruk> it is much easier than i thought it would be
Jun 12 14:59:20 <johnx> eh...I'm running into a lot of pain trying to track down a bug
Jun 12 14:59:22 <hagisbasheruk> i got K&R's ANSI second edition from amazon for 30 pence 
Jun 12 14:59:46 <johnx> :D
Jun 12 14:59:48 <johnx> good deal
Jun 12 14:59:51 <hagisbasheruk> get the fly swatter out :P
Jun 12 15:01:37 <johnx> woo!
Jun 12 15:01:46 <johnx> and I think this means I just caught it!
Jun 12 15:03:12 <hagisbasheruk> Fly Swatters are good for catching them :)
Jun 12 15:03:56 <johnx> this one was hard to get though
Jun 12 15:04:34 <johnx> it only seems to exist on one software stack on one of my 3 (4 if you count qemu) systems
Jun 12 15:05:23 <hagisbasheruk> how long have you been debuggin it
Jun 12 15:05:46 <johnx> pretty solidly this last week
Jun 12 15:05:50 <johnx> on and off before that
Jun 12 15:06:07 <johnx> it was starting to make me crazy O_o
Jun 12 15:06:18 <hagisbasheruk> you must be really glad now
Jun 12 15:06:24 <johnx> pretty thrilled
Jun 12 15:06:46 <hagisbasheruk> something silly ?
Jun 12 15:06:56 <johnx> I still don't know what it is
Jun 12 15:07:01 <hagisbasheruk> lol
Jun 12 15:07:05 <johnx> but I know it's not a hardware or kernel issue
Jun 12 15:07:34 <johnx> at least now I can rule those out *and* it finally works on the hardware I care about
Jun 12 15:07:46 <johnx> also, this opens up most of the opensource 3rd party software for the n800/n810 to devices anything that runs angstrom
Jun 12 15:07:49 <hagisbasheruk> :) nice 1
Jun 12 15:08:22 <johnx> now I just need to start packaging, something I'm far more familiar with
Jun 12 15:09:52 <hagisbasheruk> i look forward to trying some out then , ipkg ?
Jun 12 15:10:22 <johnx> well, OE handles that
Jun 12 15:10:34 <johnx> OE is a *wonderful* build system
Jun 12 15:10:45 <johnx> it beats the heck out of making .debs by hand
Jun 12 15:12:39 <hagisbasheruk> what distro you building on johnx 
Jun 12 15:12:52 <johnx> angstrom 2008.1 test
Jun 12 15:13:03 <hagisbasheruk> x86            ?
Jun 12 15:13:09 <johnx> aaah
Jun 12 15:13:13 <johnx> x86 gentoo
Jun 12 15:13:23 <johnx> or rather x86-64 gentoo
Jun 12 15:13:26 <hagisbasheruk> ahh
Jun 12 15:13:31 <johnx> it's a friend's machine that he lets me use
Jun 12 15:13:37 <hagisbasheruk> just wondered
Jun 12 15:13:41 <johnx> it's all debian at my house :)
Jun 12 15:14:01 <johnx> well, mostly debian...
Jun 12 15:14:22 <hagisbasheruk> running Kanotix here right now
Jun 12 15:17:54 <The_Niz> hehe never heard of it :p
Jun 12 15:18:15 <hagisbasheruk> Debian based Live CD distro
Jun 12 15:19:14 <The_Niz> ah
Jun 12 15:20:09 <hagisbasheruk> i like to try them all ,it's very good
Jun 12 15:20:30 <The_Niz> atm setting up crux on my desktopbox
Jun 12 15:20:52 <The_Niz> i'll prolly use that for building
Jun 12 15:22:33 <hagisbasheruk> mmm... not tryed that one
Jun 12 15:22:47 <The_Niz> i even understand it :p
Jun 12 15:24:24 <hagisbasheruk> lol ,thats a bonus :P
Jun 12 16:01:24 <udovdh> anybody here with alsa/flite/h2200 experience?
Jun 12 16:01:43 <udovdh> I have an issue using flite on h2200 ipaq with angstrom
Jun 12 16:01:59 <udovdh> $ flite -t bla
Jun 12 16:01:59 <udovdh> ALSA lib pcm_plug.c:773:(snd_pcm_plug_hw_refine_schange) Unable to find an usable access for '(null)'
Jun 12 16:01:59 <udovdh> audio_open_alsa: failed to set number of channels to 1. Invalid argument.
Jun 12 16:02:15 <udovdh> while the h2200 audio IS the default card
Jun 12 16:03:24 <udovdh> $ flite -t bla
Jun 12 16:03:25 <udovdh> ALSA lib pcm_plug.c:773:(snd_pcm_plug_hw_refine_schange) Unable to find an usable access for '(null)'
Jun 12 16:03:25 <udovdh> audio_open_alsa: failed to set number of channels to 1. Invalid argument.
Jun 12 16:03:36 <udovdh> while the h2200 audio IS the default.
Jun 12 16:04:03 <udovdh> so why use null?
Jun 12 22:59:57 <df00z> !logs
Jun 12 22:59:58 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
Jun 12 22:59:59 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
Jun 12 23:00:00 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Jun 12 23:00:05 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
Jun 12 23:00:07 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Jun 12 23:00:16 <df00z> Hey, does Angstrom currently build in org.openembedded.dev?
Jun 12 23:01:41 <df00z> home/diefool/oe/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.2.4/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld:.libs/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.v-2.0.ver:2: syntax error in VERSION script
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