**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 13 02:59:57 2008
Jun 13 07:32:04 <ffc> Hello, I'm having trouble to get libpam compiled for qemuarm machine
Jun 13 07:32:33 <ffc> "../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lpam"
Jun 13 08:55:55 <lucent> I don't mean to spam, but I've got a zaurus I want to sell. I'm mentioning it here first because it has a lot of accessories that would be useful for a developer
Jun 13 08:56:49 <lucent> c3100, serial cable, dwl-660 wifi, usb host cable, leather case, screen protector, the Sharp audio remote accessory, carrying case
Jun 13 08:57:03 <wozza> have you considered donating it?
Jun 13 08:57:15 <lucent> I would be willing to sell it for "cheap"
Jun 13 08:59:19 <lucent> I think I should be able to net $200usd for the package on eBay or auction.
Jun 13 08:59:51 <lucent> it would depend to me on whether there's an interested developer who has time to make use of the item
Jun 13 09:30:39 <lucent> shoot I even have a 100v-120v downconverter
Jun 13 09:33:34 <wozza> post across the users mailing list also you could try cross posting on familiar
Jun 13 09:34:15 <lucent> hm
Jun 13 09:34:27 <lucent> you know I will, if it doesn't sell on eBay =P
Jun 13 09:34:39 <lucent> thank you for your advice, most definitely
Jun 13 09:45:09 <lucent> wozza: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140241172230
Jun 13 09:45:11 <lucent> :)
Jun 13 09:45:27 <lucent> though, I won't hit the mailing lists myself
Jun 13 09:45:42 <lucent> that's too strange even for me, when I am already listing it
Jun 13 09:52:49 * XorA wonders why you need a down converter
Jun 13 09:55:41 <dcordes> XorA: akita images don't build :(
Jun 13 09:57:57 <XorA> shoot all akita owners then :-D
Jun 13 09:58:48 <dcordes> it says it can't package updater.sh
Jun 13 09:59:45 * XorA hasnt done a zaurus build for 6 months or so
Jun 13 10:48:10 <lucent> XorA: the Sharp power supply is Japan 100V
Jun 13 10:48:27 <lucent> if you plug that into US mains 120VAC, it gets very warm
Jun 13 10:48:45 <lucent> I think it technically still works, but I'm not the expert, it's just some equipment that I have
Jun 13 10:49:21 <XorA> lucent: It should be fine :-) you must have been unlucky, only one of my zaurus had a 100V PSU, all the rest were 100-240
Jun 13 10:49:48 <lucent> XorA: what is kind of foreign to me is the aesthetics of the downconverter
Jun 13 10:50:14 <lucent> it is ... kind of phallic, for want of a better description
Jun 13 10:50:20 <XorA> :-D
Jun 13 10:50:31 <lucent> salmon flesh coloured, with rounded edges
Jun 13 10:50:34 <lucent> and you plug shit into it
Jun 13 10:50:46 <lucent> plus it is called the MY-PET
Jun 13 10:50:57 * XorA looks suspicious
Jun 13 10:51:01 <lucent> as an American, this kind of thing confuses me
Jun 13 10:51:21 <lucent> almost no product here is sold in that colour of plastic
Jun 13 10:51:22 <XorA> sounds like something you would buy in a sex shop :-)
Jun 13 10:51:26 <lucent> riiight
Jun 13 10:51:36 <lucent> except for those products
Jun 13 10:51:46 <lucent> and you don't plug them into the wall
Jun 13 10:52:13 <lucent> truth be it, the eeePC is kind of killing my Zaurus mojo
Jun 13 10:52:21 <lucent> even though they're totally different devices
Jun 13 10:52:42 <lucent> I sense the "death" of the zaurus for even my fanboy enthusiasm
Jun 13 10:53:28 * XorA has an eeePC now as well
Jun 13 10:53:36 <XorA> eeePC and n810 killed my zaurus
Jun 13 10:54:09 <lucent> glad I'm not the only one, I have that looming sense of fate over my head about it
Jun 13 10:54:20 <The_Niz> ;p
Jun 13 10:54:22 <lucent> XorA: do you own the n810? 
Jun 13 10:54:29 <XorA> lucent: yeaj
Jun 13 10:54:38 <lucent> how is it, in a sentence or two?
Jun 13 10:54:40 <XorA> my 3200 and 5500 zaurus sit on shelves
Jun 13 10:54:51 <XorA> lucent: wicked, rocking, super, amazing, cool
Jun 13 10:55:08 <lucent> oh ouch, a 3200, that is pretty dorky... or um otaku of you
Jun 13 10:55:28 <XorA> lucent: eh?
Jun 13 10:55:36 <lucent> nothing, I guess
Jun 13 10:56:21 <lucent> a co-worker showed me their N800 when I was employed on contract for Google, back when I picked up my C3000 then
Jun 13 10:56:38 <lucent> at some point I had a C3000 and C3100, sold the C3000
Jun 13 10:56:48 <lucent> all the time I really just wanted a N800
Jun 13 10:57:03 <XorA> 3200 was cool, but eventually I got fedup with it
Jun 13 10:57:06 <lucent> I heard that they're noticeably slow though
Jun 13 10:57:09 <lucent> hm
Jun 13 10:57:17 <XorA> n800 is faster than zaurus
Jun 13 10:57:21 <lucent> I always liked the C3100 speed
Jun 13 10:57:23 <lucent> no way!
Jun 13 10:57:34 <XorA> n8x0 blow Z away for speed
Jun 13 10:57:40 <lucent> oh.
Jun 13 10:57:50 <XorA> accellerated gfx, faster cpu, hardware flaots
Jun 13 10:57:51 <lucent> glad I asked you then
Jun 13 10:58:13 <XorA> hardware mp3 and colourspace conversion
Jun 13 10:58:47 <XorA> and running maemo an insane battery life comapared to zaurus
Jun 13 10:59:30 <lucent> so having both eeePC and N810, are they overlapping?
Jun 13 11:00:00 <XorA> lucent: one fits in my pocket so I use it when I need free hands, eeePC I use as a laptop
Jun 13 11:01:11 <lucent> I even have a Holux GPSlim236 bluetooth module
Jun 13 11:01:19 <lucent> it would have been perfect with a Nokia
Jun 13 11:01:24 <lucent> dammit!
Jun 13 11:02:06 <XorA> n810 has builtin GPS
Jun 13 11:02:45 <XorA> anyway time for me to eat stuff
Jun 13 11:03:00 <lucent> thanks for the info
Jun 13 11:03:04 * lucent facepalms
Jun 13 11:03:25 <XorA> zaurus still seems to be popular on ebay :-D
Jun 13 11:03:54 <lucent> let's hope so =D
Jun 13 11:04:00 <lucent> maybe I get an 810
Jun 13 13:22:54 <udovdh> ...
Jun 13 13:22:59 <udovdh> btw: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Ångström
Jun 13 13:23:54 <markus> midp on Ångström?
Jun 13 13:24:00 <markus> midpath / phoneme
Jun 13 13:25:59 <udovdh> what is midpath?
Jun 13 13:26:31 <udovdh> http://midpath.thenesis.org/en/Start%20Page;jsessionid=50C3DFC8BCCB596B824F38634A80B49F ?
Jun 13 13:26:48 <markus> midpath is a midp implementation 
Jun 13 13:26:50 <markus> "MIDPath is a Java library which provides a MIDP2 implementation on top of various graphical libraries (SDL, AWT, SWT, X11, GTK, Qt3/Qt4/Qtopia4, Linux framebuffer) and audio libraries (SDL, ALSA, ESounD, PulseAudio)."
Jun 13 13:26:51 <udovdh> https://phoneme.dev.java.net/ ?
Jun 13 13:27:13 <udovdh> dunno if it is already available but doubt it
Jun 13 13:27:15 <markus> they started from phoneme from sun i think
Jun 13 13:27:24 <udovdh> would it perform on a 400 Mhz pxa250?
Jun 13 13:30:16 <markus> hopefully, .... else it would make no use
Jun 13 13:30:22 <markus> 400Mhz is quite powerful
Jun 13 13:30:54 <markus> a midlet should be less demanding than q3 :)
Jun 13 13:31:10 <markus> but dont know what pxa250 is
Jun 13 13:31:18 <udovdh> an xscale cpu
Jun 13 13:31:24 <udovdh> arm by intel
Jun 13 13:31:33 <markus> try it? :)
Jun 13 13:31:43 <udovdh> used in pda's like e.g. the h2200 series
Jun 13 13:31:58 <markus> midp is for phones
Jun 13 13:32:17 <markus> you can run opera mini on midp-java
Jun 13 15:19:41 <wvdschel> angstrom site seems to be down, anyone know a mirror for the images?
Jun 13 15:25:58 <udovdh> wvdschel, it is working for me but verrry slowly
Jun 13 15:29:01 <wvdschel> hmmm not here :(
Jun 13 15:30:07 <udovdh> verrrrryyyyy sloooowwwwlllyyy...
Jun 13 15:30:14 <udovdh> I am runnign an ipkg update
Jun 13 15:30:27 <udovdh> and it takes minutes... even for this simple ipaq
Jun 13 15:58:31 <xsub> see !logs
Jun 13 16:00:27 <xsub> cd #open zaurus
Jun 13 16:00:38 <xsub> cd? fsk!
Jun 13 16:01:29 <xsub> !logs
Jun 13 16:01:29 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at:
Jun 13 16:01:30 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom
Jun 13 16:01:31 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Jun 13 16:01:34 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog
Jun 13 16:01:35 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Jun 13 16:01:50 <xsub> help-logs
Jun 13 16:01:55 <xsub> !help-logs
Jun 13 16:03:05 <xsub> sorry for messing with chan, my brains are out chilling in the fridge. non-intelligent mode: on. ;-)
Jun 13 16:09:08 <udovdh> wvdschel, now the website is completely 'out' for me
Jun 13 16:09:15 <udovdh> does the sysadmin know?
Jun 13 16:09:16 <wvdschel> :(
Jun 13 16:09:19 <udovdh> who is it?
Jun 13 16:09:21 <wvdschel> who's sysadmin?
Jun 13 16:09:25 <udovdh> dunno
Jun 13 16:10:35 <udovdh> nils.faerber %% kernelconcepts de
Jun 13 16:10:37 <udovdh> ?
Jun 13 16:10:42 <udovdh> (easywhois...)
Jun 13 16:32:15 <wvdschel> its back
Jun 13 16:36:48 <udovdh> wvdschel, indeed
Jun 13 18:03:10 <hagisbasheruk> hi prpplague 
Jun 13 18:03:17 <prpplague> hagisbasheruk: greetings
Jun 13 20:29:00 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried running android on top of angstrom?
Jun 13 20:32:02 <dcordes> summatusmentis: yuck
Jun 13 20:35:23 <summatusmentis> dcordes: lol, well, I'm looking for an easy interface for my parents...
Jun 13 20:37:33 <dcordes> poky. I gave my akita wiht poky to a girl yesterday and she got along with it well
Jun 13 20:38:01 <dcordes> she managed to play games and make a textdocument
Jun 13 20:49:39 <summatusmentis> Is poky user friendly enough? My mom is relatively savvy, but it won't sync w/ outlook for instance
Jun 13 20:49:53 <summatusmentis> and I need an easy way for her to dump pictures from an SD card
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