**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 10 02:59:57 2008 Sep 10 06:35:38 hi - anyone here? Sep 10 06:35:47 yes ;) Sep 10 06:35:50 the angstrom mailing list servers seem to be not working Sep 10 06:36:14 i've sent list signup emails from two different email addresses, have not received any kind of confirm/activate response Sep 10 06:36:31 how long did you wait for response? Sep 10 06:36:41 it's been over 20 minutes Sep 10 06:36:56 don't panic :) Sep 10 06:37:08 either it hasn't worked, or i'm sitting in a cron job somewhere Sep 10 06:37:53 if mailing list server utilizes technics like graylisting it can take couple of hours your mail is processed Sep 10 06:39:47 wouldn't surprise me - the angstrom site has the addresses as clear mailto links Sep 10 06:40:21 so they'd be getting almost infinite daily offers of bigger dicks, African millions, sharemarket tips... Sep 10 06:40:44 ventYl: are you an angstrom developer? Sep 10 06:40:56 negative Sep 10 06:41:06 user? Sep 10 06:41:12 mainly Sep 10 06:41:41 have you ever connected your angstrom-based device to a GPRS cellphone via bluetooth? Sep 10 06:42:55 i've got an ipaq 4350 which can dual boot between angstrom and winCE - with winCE code it can access internet via bluetooth, using a cellphone as a modem - but i haven't figured out how to do it (or if it can be done) from angstrom Sep 10 06:44:36 i've done it not from angstrom but from slackware on laptop. if you are able to pair your iPaq with phone then you need only pppd and you can connect to internet Sep 10 06:45:00 nothing special is required Sep 10 06:45:02 hmm, ok Sep 10 06:45:26 will the GPE gui progs pick up on pppd and offer options, or do i need shell commands? Sep 10 06:45:31 my current problem is that kernel from newest angstrom won't boot successfully Sep 10 06:45:48 ouch Sep 10 06:46:08 are you using kernel built from your own copy of OE tree, or just a stock downloaded kernel? Sep 10 06:46:31 probably you'll need some shell commands. at least you must create tty config file and ppp chat file for your phone Sep 10 06:47:00 would be leet if i can get that up Sep 10 06:47:15 but these steps are generic every linux so it's great chance that somebody somewhere created such file Sep 10 06:47:48 i haven't yet figured out how to pair the angstrom-running ipaq with my phone yet - can't find it on the gpe menus Sep 10 06:49:17 stock downloaded kernel won't boot either... haret does bloodshoot eyes and then dark... my own build kernel "hangs" just before running init (kernel lives, receives keyboard presses, but init won't launch) and kernel which sent me udovdh hangs after few seconds of run (probably fully random) Sep 10 06:49:22 one thing missing tho is a lightweight WP, spreadsheet, PDF reader comparable to those available for pocketpc Sep 10 06:49:51 ventYl: can you boot with a stock kernel? do you have any particular need for a self-built kernel? Sep 10 06:50:10 i CAN'T boot with stock kernel Sep 10 06:50:34 owww Sep 10 06:50:58 have you ever booted with stock kernel/haret/rootfs with your device? Sep 10 06:51:01 the only tow kernels which are able to boot are one from ramdisk rescue and prehistoric familiar linux Sep 10 06:51:18 s/tow/two/ Sep 10 06:52:12 grr, bug - every time i reconnect my ipaq to network, the old /etc/resolv.conf gets trashed Sep 10 06:52:19 so i gotta manually restore it every time Sep 10 06:52:31 do you use dhcp? Sep 10 06:52:39 no - static Sep 10 06:53:13 but that's no reason for resolv.conf to get creamed Sep 10 06:53:21 try check out config. i think that somewhere in netconfig dialogs can be set resolving options Sep 10 06:53:47 yes - the global tab on the network settings page - but the 'DNS server' setting doesn't persist Sep 10 07:00:48 is there a bluetooth pin helper on gpe angstrom feeds? Sep 10 07:06:25 pin helper is simple application which echoes PIN on stdout (or maybe in newer bluez throught d-bus) so it can be written in bash Sep 10 07:06:37 and bluez had some pin helper Sep 10 07:06:45 ah, ok Sep 10 07:07:43 bluezpin or that kind of name Sep 10 07:10:08 i've gone with the shell script - just spits my pin Sep 10 07:10:32 works? Sep 10 07:12:19 i don't know what to put in /etc/ppp files Sep 10 07:12:31 i've got to a successful rfcomm Sep 10 07:13:00 you need at least 4 files i think Sep 10 07:13:46 maybe i should use gnome's gui ppp helper progs to set up a conn from workstation to phone, then look at the /etc/ppp scripts to see what gets added Sep 10 07:14:24 hide-password Sep 10 07:14:24 noauth Sep 10 07:14:24 connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/t-mobile" Sep 10 07:14:24 debug Sep 10 07:14:24 /dev/rfcomm0 Sep 10 07:14:24 115200 Sep 10 07:14:26 defaultroute Sep 10 07:14:29 noipdefault Sep 10 07:14:31 usepeerdns Sep 10 07:14:33 user username Sep 10 07:14:35 remotename t-mobile Sep 10 07:14:44 ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE'ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' Sep 10 07:14:45 # modeminit Sep 10 07:14:45 '' 'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","general.t-mobile.uk"' Sep 10 07:14:45 TIMEOUT 120 Sep 10 07:14:45 # ispnumber Sep 10 07:14:47 OK-AT-OK ATDT*99# Sep 10 07:14:49 # ispconnect Sep 10 07:14:51 CONNECT \d\c Sep 10 07:14:55 # prelogin Sep 10 07:14:57 # ispname Sep 10 07:14:59 # isppassword Sep 10 07:15:00 # postlogin Sep 10 07:15:03 # end of pppconfig stuff Sep 10 07:15:04 thats the ppp and chat scripts I used for years Sep 10 07:15:06 fill in details as appropriate for you Sep 10 07:15:15 which file (or files) does all that go into? Sep 10 07:15:36 first chunck /etc/ppp/peers/t-mobile (or you connection name) Sep 10 07:15:58 the bit starting ABORT goes in /etc/chatscripts/t-mobile (or connection name, adjust first to correspond) Sep 10 07:17:22 then dont forget to set the passwords in /etc/ppp/*-secrets* Sep 10 07:17:29 some phones requires hacks in chatscripts Sep 10 07:18:00 ventYl: very few Sep 10 07:18:11 * aum pastes all that in Sep 10 07:18:25 * XorA has used exactly the same scripts on at least 5 different phone manufacturers Sep 10 07:18:34 mine old required, so i have such hack in chat script Sep 10 07:18:40 works well with new phone also Sep 10 07:19:15 how expensive are gprs data in uk? Sep 10 07:19:38 7.50 GBP a month flat rate Sep 10 07:20:05 available only with voice program? Sep 10 07:20:20 20 GBP without voice I think Sep 10 07:20:23 there abouts anyway Sep 10 07:20:35 gprs is priced like gold here in nz Sep 10 07:20:43 it's like dollars per megabyte Sep 10 07:20:59 its marketed as broadband replacement here Sep 10 07:21:19 and getting very popular as the mobile telcos have better customer service Sep 10 07:21:44 hmm, cellphone spits with 'passcode failed' Sep 10 07:22:00 could be because my passkey helper spits newline after pin Sep 10 07:22:42 yeah, make sure rfcomm works first Sep 10 07:22:44 XorA: here in some cities broadband is 10 to 100 x faster than gprs / edge / hsdpa with same or better price Sep 10 07:24:31 ventYl: yeah, but people like my mum check like one webpage a day, and 15k/s of EDGE is fast enough Sep 10 07:25:25 problem of mobile internet here is poor market concurency so prices are high Sep 10 07:25:45 prepaid cards had recently price over 1 euro per megabyte Sep 10 07:28:09 how do i restart bluetooth services on angstrom/gpe? Sep 10 07:28:27 /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart (?) Sep 10 07:28:39 worked for generic bluez installation Sep 10 07:29:17 ahh, debian-ish :) Sep 10 07:29:30 nope Sep 10 07:29:43 SystemV-ish if you say this way :) Sep 10 07:33:59 in my /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf, i have: Sep 10 07:34:16 in the 'options{}' block: Sep 10 07:34:30 passkey "7712" Sep 10 07:34:34 pin_helper /bin/bluepin Sep 10 07:34:50 where '/bin/bluepin' is a tiny binary that spits '7712' to stdout Sep 10 07:35:40 what i'm seeing now is that when i type 'pon cellphone', the cellphone prompts for a pin - i type in that pin but the cellphone says 'pairing failed' Sep 10 07:36:06 ventYl: btw - thx for that earlier script Sep 10 07:51:30 YEEHA!! got net link via bluetooth working - thanks heaps ventYl Sep 10 07:59:21 anyone here know anything about wlan wardriving/connecting via angstrom devices? Sep 10 08:00:43 hm... Sep 10 08:00:48 it may be little bit a problem Sep 10 08:00:59 because of wlan devices in PDA Sep 10 08:01:10 aum: use kismet Sep 10 08:01:19 what's kismet? Sep 10 08:01:31 wlan sniffer Sep 10 08:01:42 but if your device is compatible with kismet, just use suitable frontend and it will work Sep 10 08:10:22 weird - after i connected ppp/bluetooth, then disconnected, the usb networking kinda died - i could ping my workstation from the device, but not vice versa Sep 10 08:10:27 rebooting the device fixed it Sep 10 09:20:32 does anyone know how to add new entries to the gpe menus? Sep 10 19:59:52 hi all - are there any angstrom devs here? Sep 10 20:00:28 i've tried to sign up to the angstrom lists, but the list server ignores my signup messages - even 10 hours later Sep 10 20:08:38 does anyone know how to add new menu entries in gpe? Sep 10 20:11:47 doesn't it parse the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications ? Sep 10 20:12:30 ahh, that's a good lead - thx Sep 10 20:13:36 one thing i notice tho is that gpe seems to ignore /etc/key-layout.ipaq Sep 10 20:16:45 hi Sep 10 20:18:23 hi mimecar Sep 10 20:18:30 hi aum Sep 10 20:48:00 what's the current activity level like with angstrom? i get the impression things are kinda quiet Sep 10 20:56:27 well, there is more chatter in #oe Sep 10 20:57:03 is device support (eg iPaq h4300) more specific to oe or angstrom? Sep 10 20:57:21 it is sort of hard to draw the line between OE, Angstrom, and other projects that aer similar, but slightly different to Angstrom Sep 10 20:58:41 right Sep 10 20:58:56 so OE is an infrastructure, and Angstrom is one of n distros produced from OE? Sep 10 21:00:23 right Sep 10 21:00:43 and i guess opie is virtually a dead duck? Sep 10 21:00:55 angstrom-dev mailing list is alive Sep 10 21:01:00 there are some people working on it Sep 10 21:01:00 opie too Sep 10 21:01:22 not many, but they are making progress Sep 10 21:01:26 i tried to sign up to angstrom-user mailing list, but 2 emails subscribe sent from 2 different addresses got ignored Sep 10 21:01:41 strange Sep 10 21:03:00 ahh, found the mailman signup page - that might work Sep 10 21:05:54 anyone know of a document viewer (pdf or otherwise) that's usable on a 320x240 iPaq screen? I've tried evince, but it's slow, buggy and segfaulty Sep 10 21:06:46 as soon as I find a lightweight usable spreadsheet, rich-text editor and document viewer, i'll no longer have any use for PocketPC Sep 11 00:02:09 hmm, when i connect to workstation via bluetooth, then disconnect, i can't connect again without a reboot Sep 11 00:10:37 is there a way to connect from an angstrom device to a linux workstation via ppp over bluetooth? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 11 02:59:57 2008