**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 02:59:57 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 11:05:36 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 12:54:21 2008 Oct 06 15:36:59 [00:06] < Tomoe> | johnx: here's a mouse to go with that keyboard Oct 06 15:36:59 [00:06] < Tomoe> | http://www.handshoemouse.com/ Oct 06 15:37:15 yup, saw it...not exactly small though Oct 06 15:37:53 I've been waiting for something like this ever since my MouseMan Wheel+ died Oct 06 15:38:06 I had that mouse for 6 years damn Oct 06 15:40:56 actually. why would I need a mouse with a touchscreen device? why must you attempt to trigger by built-in consumer reflexes?! /me kries Oct 06 15:46:30 har har har Oct 06 15:47:24 I mean with my happy cracking keyboard =P Oct 06 15:47:28 happy now? Oct 06 19:20:02 interesting. I/O to a usb stick seems a lot faster than I/O to an sd card... Oct 06 19:37:21 sd = slow Oct 06 19:37:35 that's why I said I'd rather go with CF for swap Oct 06 19:37:55 johnx: quantify this 'lot' pls Oct 06 19:37:56 =P Oct 06 19:38:24 it feels much faster when doing totally different things :) Oct 06 19:38:34 and now a comparison of apples and oranges Oct 06 19:39:07 I still think I'll go with a usb wifi stick Oct 06 19:39:16 I kinda want a c3000 now :( Oct 06 19:39:20 cf card sticking out on the side = sucks Oct 06 19:39:23 uhoh Oct 06 19:39:24 why? Oct 06 19:39:37 internal storage means I don't have to deal with slow sd Oct 06 19:39:50 BTW, usb cord waving around from the back is also suck Oct 06 19:40:09 well Oct 06 19:40:14 you can get really tiny usb sticks Oct 06 19:40:34 I recommend you get this laptop: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/208734227/Game_player_with_Notebook_PC_Shape.jpg Oct 06 19:40:49 but you still have to deal with the mini-b to a Oct 06 19:41:20 awesome laptop. I think I saw something better at hard-off though :P Oct 06 19:41:36 not if you hack the mini plug in the stick Oct 06 19:41:41 that's what I plan to do Oct 06 19:41:50 and at a 90 degree angle too Oct 06 19:41:54 so the stick sits flush with the z Oct 06 19:42:24 goodluckwiththat Oct 06 19:42:24 in any case, I wouldn't recommend buying a zaurus now Oct 06 19:42:33 what Oct 06 19:42:37 I'd love to see how it works, but I don't have the skill for it Oct 06 19:42:52 skill = basic soldering =P Oct 06 19:42:56 yeah, I'd only get a 3000 if I could find it darn cheap Oct 06 19:43:05 yeah, my soldering sucks :) Oct 06 19:43:10 then PRACTICE Oct 06 19:43:12 =P Oct 06 19:43:19 anyways, I preordered a pandora :) Oct 06 19:43:26 I'd rather get an HTC Universal than a z3k Oct 06 19:43:27 hehe Oct 06 19:43:28 or that Oct 06 19:43:29 =) Oct 06 19:43:57 now that you got me thinking about it Oct 06 19:44:07 2x 16GB cf cards in a c3000 Oct 06 19:44:14 = MEGAPDA Oct 06 19:44:30 plus a 16GB SDHC card Oct 06 19:44:45 and a 16gb usb stick? =P Oct 06 19:44:57 you can do better than 16GB in that case Oct 06 19:44:59 when should you be receiving the pandora? Oct 06 19:45:06 sometime in november Oct 06 19:45:12 they start production next week :) Oct 06 19:45:15 I'm on the first run Oct 06 19:45:29 yes, I ordered a product that doesn't exist yet :P Oct 06 19:45:34 should have bought a ds Oct 06 19:45:35 =P Oct 06 19:45:43 but I applaud your nerdyness Oct 06 19:45:44 =D Oct 06 19:46:28 I want something serious to browse the web on, and irc, and watch videos and take notes, dump photos from my camera onto, basically be a decent mini laptop Oct 06 19:46:55 and I don't mind getting my hands dirty with software "porting"/compiling Oct 06 19:49:16 what's the screen size again? Oct 06 19:49:32 4.3" Oct 06 19:49:53 yeah, just opened the site Oct 06 19:50:06 doubt that's enough for serious browsing, honestly Oct 06 19:50:21 do you know the RazorBook 4k? Oct 06 19:50:31 erm Oct 06 19:50:33 *400 Oct 06 19:51:11 it depends on what you mean by serious, but I'm mostly happy browsing on my n800 Oct 06 19:51:18 really? Oct 06 19:51:24 hmm Oct 06 19:51:31 yeah, it's just a little slow and has no keyboard Oct 06 19:51:45 why not get a 810 then Oct 06 19:52:00 eep...the CPU on that razorbook thing will be its downfall Oct 06 19:52:29 yeah Oct 06 19:52:36 it's actually not even 400MHz Oct 06 19:52:38 well, for $30 more than an n810 I can have something more than twice as fast with better video playback aaaand an escape from Nokia's annoying development strategies Oct 06 19:52:50 apparently it's 336MHz Oct 06 19:52:52 lol Oct 06 19:52:55 heh Oct 06 19:53:20 though MHz doesn't mean a lot in the embedded world Oct 06 19:53:25 well Oct 06 19:53:37 a 400MHz zaurus and a 400MHz N800 are in totally different classes Oct 06 19:53:38 considering how this chip is designed in china Oct 06 19:53:47 it's probably a MIPS Oct 06 19:53:51 it is Oct 06 19:53:59 that's not gonna be too quick Oct 06 19:54:14 and this is coming from someone who often surfs engadget.com on a zaurus... Oct 06 19:54:28 =)) Oct 06 19:54:37 it is somewhat interesting though Oct 06 19:54:41 well Oct 06 19:54:45 more memory would go a long ways towards usability Oct 06 19:54:56 considering how it costs 100-150$ actually Oct 06 19:55:02 of course it's interesting Oct 06 19:55:15 I'm seeing $250 here Oct 06 19:55:24 install markup problem solved Oct 06 19:55:39 a bunch of companies on alibaba are selling that same model Oct 06 19:56:37 anyways, I have enough slow machines to play with until the end of time Oct 06 19:56:45 eh Oct 06 19:56:49 you're right there Oct 06 19:56:55 =F Oct 06 19:57:00 so I'll get a fast one to play with too :D Oct 06 19:57:18 I just hope we'll see some advances in HMDs soon Oct 06 19:57:21 =P Oct 06 19:57:25 heh Oct 06 19:57:28 same idea here Oct 06 19:58:48 hmd+a chording keyboard Oct 06 19:58:54 and I can just stick the rest in a bag Oct 06 19:58:55 =P Oct 06 20:00:05 the wife said it was ok if I wore a batman belt, but a vest with pockets is apparently not allowed Oct 06 20:00:26 s-video out is *just good enough* to be useful for something Oct 06 20:00:30 get a vest with hidden pockets? Oct 06 20:00:39 scottevest has good ones Oct 06 20:01:06 hold on Oct 06 20:01:14 http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/scottevest_classic_vest_review Oct 06 20:01:27 http://the-gadgeteer.com/assets/scottevest-classicvest3.jpg Oct 06 20:01:30 look at the pic Oct 06 20:01:33 then read this: Oct 06 20:01:37 IT HAS 28 POCKETS Oct 06 20:01:47 not bad actually Oct 06 20:02:02 I know Oct 06 20:02:31 next part: HMD goggles that can be worn in public Oct 06 20:02:42 I've been trying to chase down its big brother, the Tactical 4.0 jacket (40 pockets) for a while Oct 06 20:03:03 btw if american size XL fits you, expansys has the vest for sale for a really low price iirc Oct 06 20:03:08 last-of-stock sale Oct 06 20:03:26 42$ Oct 06 20:03:43 and I know the 10$ off discount code =D Oct 06 20:04:56 does someone pay you to pitch tempting stuff to me? :P Oct 06 20:05:16 consider me a pro-bono investment advisor Oct 06 20:05:17 =P Oct 06 20:05:24 I'll resist for a while longer...anyways I need sleep for now Oct 06 20:05:26 'night Oct 06 20:05:41 I ordered one a few days ago off there, that's why I know lol Oct 06 20:05:42 night Oct 06 21:05:32 hi Oct 06 21:06:08 SUP HY Oct 06 22:30:18 hi all Oct 06 22:32:54 in the last few days i installed and tested the angstrom openmoko package for htc magican, now there is only the ability to install it on the memorycard... do anyone of you know if its possible to install it directly on the device ?? Oct 06 22:37:54 anyone know a procedure for going from familiar to angstrom? Oct 06 22:38:13 wince reimaging doesn't seem to be an option for me Oct 06 23:18:05 anyone? Oct 06 23:32:05 hi all, i installed just console version of angstrom but now i want to add x11 for some of its features. what should i download? i dont want gpe or other interfaces, just x11.. Oct 07 00:41:04 I'm looking to put angstrom on an ipaq h5000 series : but I was told there's not mtd support in the kernel??? this would be a requirement to even run on the ipaq ... can someone confirm or refute this point? Oct 07 00:41:06 thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 07 02:59:57 2008