**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 21 02:59:57 2008 Oct 21 07:16:05 Good morning ! Oct 21 07:16:31 mornin' Oct 21 07:16:47 Slept well ? Oct 21 07:16:54 more or less Oct 21 07:17:00 :) Oct 21 07:17:19 I have tested some things yesterday. Oct 21 07:17:59 Sadly it was not possible, even with your package, to get input again. It seems, I had had success by random. Oct 21 07:18:11 I got it working no problem Oct 21 07:18:28 Xfbdev -keybd keybd -mouse tslib -screen 480x640@270 Oct 21 07:18:39 just make sure that command is run to start the x server Oct 21 07:19:28 Hmm, shouldn?t the script do this ? Oct 21 07:19:44 well, change the script until it runs that command Oct 21 07:29:48 O.k., I changed it. But is your screen in the correct rotation ? Oct 21 07:30:17 yes Oct 21 07:30:36 and it rotates properly Oct 21 07:31:30 Not here. I will install your fixed package once again. Oct 21 07:33:29 Yesterday I tested a little bit, an at my opinion, there is a failure with the combination of /etc/X11/Xinit and /etc/X11/Xinit/11xrabdr Oct 21 07:34:36 IMO the script is started at the wrong place. If you change variables from "left" to "right", nothing happens. Oct 21 07:35:07 Starting manually /etc/X11/Xinit, it is telling you, there is no display running- Oct 21 07:35:47 I suppose, Xinit is setting the wrong environment or similar. Oct 21 07:37:21 huh Oct 21 07:37:35 I don't have /etc/X11/Xinit.d/ Oct 21 07:38:53 You don?t ? This is strange, there are a lot of scripts in it. Oct 21 07:39:15 let me check something... Oct 21 07:39:50 what does your 01xrandr file say? Oct 21 07:40:06 xrandr -o normal Oct 21 07:40:56 Do you have 11zaurus ? Oct 21 07:40:57 well, that's right Oct 21 07:41:04 I used to Oct 21 07:41:08 I'm looking at an old backup Oct 21 07:41:16 This file has no effect. Oct 21 07:41:19 right now the image I have installed is very custom Oct 21 07:41:52 it's only if you start it up with the zaurus in tablet mode Oct 21 07:42:02 that's what chkhinge -e does Oct 21 07:42:04 In 11zaurus, there is xrandr set, too. Oct 21 07:42:11 yes Oct 21 07:42:22 But it does not matter, if you change things in it. Oct 21 07:42:24 but it's not called unless the zaurus is in tablet mode when that script runs Oct 21 07:43:07 Not quite, Xinit is calling it. Oct 21 07:43:17 ok, look at the if statement Oct 21 07:43:59 xrandr only runs if chkhinge -e exits with "12" Oct 21 07:44:01 Yes, you are right. Oct 21 07:44:22 What is chkhinge, I could not find it. Oct 21 07:44:46 Is this a command ??? Oct 21 07:45:06 it's a command used to see if the zaurus is in "tablet" mode or "laptop" mode Oct 21 07:45:13 maybe it's not used now? Oct 21 07:45:26 Hmm, strange, this is not installed on my Z. Oct 21 07:45:45 same here Oct 21 07:45:48 I guess it's old Oct 21 07:46:05 it doesn't matter anyways Oct 21 07:47:20 I wonder, why there are so much problems suddenly. Xworked perfectly before. Oct 21 07:48:00 they did a big update Oct 21 07:48:05 1.3 -> 1.4 Oct 21 07:49:18 They shouldn?t have done this, only updated running parts. Oct 21 07:49:50 angstrom "2008" is considered unstable Oct 21 07:49:54 if you need stable use 2007 Oct 21 07:50:44 I had had 2007, and I dated up. But after updating 2007 X did not work. Oct 21 07:51:00 The feed of 2007 is buggy, too. Oct 21 07:51:50 but that's a different bug, not from switching x servers Oct 21 07:52:21 Yes, it is the "No input in X" bug. Oct 21 07:53:09 there is a different cause though Oct 21 07:53:11 But I think, they belong somehow together. Oct 21 07:54:00 I think they're unrelated Oct 21 07:55:48 I am stiill taking my eye on the file Xinit, because this is started first, then calliing the scripts. Oct 21 07:56:03 well, you're looking in the wrong place Oct 21 07:56:25 just test by running Xserver manually. Oct 21 07:56:27 O.k., where should I look insted ? Oct 21 07:56:46 Staring Xserver manuallsy is working. Oct 21 07:56:57 ok, then fix /etc/X11/Xserver so it works Oct 21 07:57:42 O.k., I will check this. Oct 21 08:01:54 Did you upload your fix to the feed ? Oct 21 08:02:13 no, I'm not a developer Oct 21 08:02:32 I have no connection with the angstrom project. I'm just a user Oct 21 08:03:00 I am going to start filing/updating bugs in a bit Oct 21 08:03:06 Me the same. Oct 21 08:21:09 johnx: Do you know, if it is meanwhile possible, to get X11-applciations started on an OPIE-image ? I know, normally this is not possible, due to the different libs (qt4/gtk) Oct 21 08:21:42 I have no idea about opie. sorry. Oct 21 08:21:47 But my knowledges are just 1,5 years old. Oct 21 08:46:16 johnx: Can you just test, if the angstrom site is reachable ? Seems, that it is down. Oct 21 08:48:53 Forget it. It is running again. Oct 21 08:49:06 Maybe it was just busy.... Oct 21 08:56:46 hi there Oct 21 09:02:13 hi ABC|dOC Oct 21 09:28:35 hi vanguard ! Oct 21 10:17:55 johnx: Can you send me your package xserver-kdrive-fbdev once again ? I suppose, mine is crooupt. Oct 21 10:18:13 And I deleted your mail, too. Oct 21 10:18:57 When I try to install it, I get md5sum error. Oct 21 10:20:42 Please increase your version number, so it might not interfere with the current one. Oct 21 10:23:01 mail sent...and I did bump the version number I though Oct 21 10:23:56 Thanks ! Yes, you did, but meanwhile the version in the feed was increased, too. Oct 21 10:24:18 So yours is the same than the one in the feed. Oct 21 10:24:51 :) As you know: Shit happens. Oct 21 10:27:34 root@protheus6:/Daten/Pakete# ipkg -force-overwrite install xserver-kdrive-fbdev Oct 21 10:27:34 _1.4.0.90-r2.1_armv5te.ipk Oct 21 10:27:34 Installing xserver-kdrive-fbdev (1:1.4.0.90-r2.1) to root... Oct 21 10:27:34 Nothing to be done Oct 21 10:27:34 Collected errors: Oct 21 10:27:35 Multiple packages (xserver-kdrive-fbdev and xserver-kdrive-fbdev) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Oct 21 10:27:38 Multiple packages (xserver-kdrive-fbdev and xserver-kdrive-fbdev) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Oct 21 10:27:48 Package xserver-kdrive-fbdev md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. Oct 21 10:27:51 root@protheus6:/Daten/Pakete# Oct 21 10:27:53 This is , what I get, Oct 21 10:29:25 Maybe I could force to install it, by first deinstalling the package from the feed, then installing yours. Oct 21 10:32:34 No... This does not work... Oct 21 10:33:09 I fear, a higher version is needed. Oct 21 10:35:37 solved ! Just remove base-feed.conf and run ipkg update. Oct 21 10:51:45 hi there vanguard Oct 21 10:51:53 everything good with akita? Oct 21 10:51:58 Hi dcordes ! Oct 21 10:52:07 No, not really. Oct 21 10:52:20 A lot of bugs with the new 2008-feed. Oct 21 10:52:49 I use an image I built a few months ago, along with a fresh build of linux-rp-2.6 kernel/modules Oct 21 10:52:50 At least 4 big bugs I did find during the last days. Oct 21 10:53:15 I used 2007-image, but 5 days ago I made an update Oct 21 10:53:51 I stopped using ipkg/opkg upgrade on the zaurus a while ago Oct 21 10:53:52 And since that days I got problems. Oct 21 10:54:14 I use my images more statically and only replace packages manually Oct 21 10:54:34 Yes, I stopped, too. But ICQ-libs wer4e not updated in the 2007-feed, and so I could not use it any more. Oct 21 10:55:09 The better way. I tried this too, but this did not work due of dependencies, Oct 21 10:55:25 libpurple-protocol-icq or oscar? Oct 21 10:55:33 libpurple. Oct 21 10:57:01 Anyway, I made an update, and since then I got big problems with X. Oct 21 10:57:33 vanguard: you tried to upgrade and 2007 system so 2008 with opkg? Oct 21 10:57:42 It broke my whole system. johnx helped with a workaround, but still keyboard-driver is buggy. Oct 21 10:58:16 No, I tried with ipkg. But also a fresh installation with a 2008-image did not work. The image is buggy , too. Oct 21 10:59:59 You can believe me: I tried all possible ways. Oct 21 11:00:25 vanguard, what are the other bugs which you already worked around? Oct 21 11:00:45 Which ones ? Oct 21 11:00:54 idk, all Oct 21 11:01:29 lol Hmm, some could be closed (libpurple), but most of them are still not solved. Oct 21 11:02:19 X-rotation, wrong paths in /etc/X11/Xinit, No input in X are still active. Oct 21 11:02:34 Then there is the tslib-crash, too. Oct 21 11:03:00 Most bugs are related to the new xserver-kdrive-version. Oct 21 11:04:15 haha the usual X-rotation bug Oct 21 11:04:23 Yes. Oct 21 11:05:17 Keyboard driver is not working correctly, too. Oct 21 11:05:40 i,e. you cannot use Fn-key, and no "/" is possible. Oct 21 11:06:03 IMO a lot of hard bugs. Oct 21 11:06:05 oh that's not so good. did you document all that in the bugzilla? Oct 21 11:06:40 No, I did not. johnx wanted to do that for me, as he wanted to look, what can be fixed, what not. Oct 21 11:07:03 And I am not always sure, what package is related to this. Oct 21 11:08:38 you don't need to specify that in the reports Oct 21 11:08:51 And sometimes, I mix some bugs. I would like, to create a list, what does not really work and what iis going wrong. Oct 21 11:09:15 But this is not the way, thje maintainers want to get a report. Oct 21 11:09:43 They want exact pointings, what package is related to. Oct 21 11:10:21 But in some cases, this is very difficult to find out. Oct 21 11:10:36 So I do not report much. Oct 21 11:11:40 And, sorry to say that, I get sometimes the feeling, reports related to akita are always annoying (because akita is unimportant, as no one got one) Oct 21 11:15:26 well, if you would document your problems it would be a first step in making it important again Oct 21 11:15:38 I'm quite happy there is at least updated linux-rp Oct 21 11:16:35 especially when you find fixes to some errors its important to put them into bugzilla Oct 21 11:18:02 Yes, I could document it, this might be no problem for me, but who does read them ? The libpurple-bug, I reported was fixed in 2008-feeed, but not in 2007-feed., but Oct 21 11:21:31 Please apologize, I am a little helpless, because in the past my reported bugs seem not to be such important, as it is akita. (the feedback was often: Akita ??? Who has Akita ? There is no one, who uses akita nowadays any more). This is the reason, why I seldom report bugs and find it better, to report it here, so that the developers can add them to bugzilla relating to importance. Oct 21 11:22:46 BTW: The latest bugs are reported by me. (Even the bug, that in 2008-images it is not possible , to get input to X) Oct 21 11:23:42 IMO there should be a well tested feed and images for production use (just as they do in Debian) Oct 21 11:25:31 vanguard: who should do this? there are very few angstrom devs. Oct 21 11:26:38 btw. the "tslib not working on rotated screen" bug should be fixed now. Oct 21 11:27:13 Yes, yes, I see the problematics. But releasing tested libs, when they work, is easier, than to do mega-releases. Oct 21 11:27:46 You tend to find that there's rather a lot of coupling between the core bits of the system. Oct 21 11:29:52 broonie: Yes, I see a lot of work in 2008-feed, but there was none in 2007-feed. What I mean is this: When a version of aan application is working in 2007-images (i.e. abiword) , why not release it to 2007, too ? It was only updated in 2008. Oct 21 11:30:56 If you would put working packages to the production relase step by step, then it is easier to react and maybe step back, Oct 21 11:31:01 vanguard: Two issues: one is that someone needs to test that it works. Oct 21 11:31:18 was when you do hundreds of libs with a mega-update. Oct 21 11:31:34 vanguard: another is that if people are using it as a stable release they may well not want any substantial changes. Oct 21 11:31:40 Yes, I will do that for akita and collie. Oct 21 11:33:18 broonie: This is the point. They want to work with it, and when things crash (as it might always happen), they want to revert back as before. Oct 21 11:33:52 But this is not possible, when you update hundreds of packages at every update. Oct 21 11:34:44 So, my suggestion: Put new libs and packages more often into, but fewer. Oct 21 11:35:39 If things then go wrong, you can easier say: Yes, I updates lib123 and lib234 and lib456 and application5, and now this and this is not working. Oct 21 11:35:47 vanguard: the problem is that the current release is supposed to not change much. (except for bugfixes) If someone wants to update a package he can send a request to angstrom-devel. Oct 21 11:35:51 Do you understand, what I want to tell ? Oct 21 11:36:07 Sounds like you want to track the development version, not the stable version. Oct 21 11:37:02 it's like debian: use stable: have working system but old software, use dev: have new software but maybe not working Oct 21 11:38:25 No, sorry to say that. It is not like debian. I am using debian myself (sid), and those packages in debian are running. Even sid does not break my system (just because development is working in experimental) Oct 21 11:39:44 The packages in debian sid are well tested, before they are releases. Sorry, please excuse myself, but this is what I miss a little bit in akita. Oct 21 11:41:17 The bug, with no input in X is now half a year old. But still the images are available. The bug in libpurple was half a year old )fixed in debian after 3 days), fixed in angstrom akita after 1 month , but released in production (2007) NEVER. Oct 21 11:41:56 small distro team diesease. Source Mage had it, but it's getting better now I've been haranguing them for a few years :o) Oct 21 11:42:04 *disease Oct 21 11:42:10 Just now, at the mega-update was the new libpurple-version, but this braought many new bugs. Oct 21 11:42:45 Please understand me, I do not want to mourne, and I know, there are only few maintainers. Oct 21 11:43:14 also problems will be caused by the wide variety of hardware with numerous changes for each device. greater usification would help Oct 21 11:43:18 I just wanted to explain, why I often do not tell bugreports into bugzilla. Oct 21 11:44:11 It is just, I often get the feeling, I am jsut annoying and disturbing with bugreports related to akita. Oct 21 11:46:06 but thats because debian has much more manpower. the choice between stable and dev is the same Oct 21 11:47:49 Not quite. Debian uses another system: Brandnew packages, New packages, well tested packages, secured packages. Oct 21 11:48:29 Angstrom is gettin: Brandnew packages, New packages (but not well tested) Oct 21 11:48:40 There is a difference IMO. Oct 21 11:49:28 if you want a fix from dev to go to from dev to stable you can request it on the ml Oct 21 11:49:34 As there are only to brands, maybe there should be one more: with well tested for production. Oct 21 11:49:58 yeah Angstrom wouldn't be the first to release with inadequate testing. Actually a release testing system is more important than more manpower Oct 21 11:50:09 most devs are only interested itn the dev branch of oe Oct 21 11:51:24 Yes, and this is IMO the greatest proble, Developer can not only look to themselves. They should look to the usability, too. Oct 21 11:51:41 thesing: yeah typical devs. bastards :) Oct 21 11:51:57 What does it make sense, if there are super duper applications, which does not work Oct 21 11:52:26 But of course, my sight might be wrong. Oct 21 11:52:41 Please apologize for that. :) Oct 21 11:53:38 the problem is that we don't even have testers and mentors for all machines Oct 21 11:54:55 As I said: I own a SL-C1000 and a SL-5500, so I can test and report for new packages. Oct 21 11:55:22 But I cannot (and are not willing to), flash each time the whole system. Oct 21 11:56:00 sometimes there's a way to code so that minimal testing is needed. it can be hard to find that way though Oct 21 11:56:21 To test does also mean: The ability to reverse back, if it crashes. Oct 21 11:57:11 (just to say, working like ITIL) Oct 21 11:57:55 vanguard: reflashing the system is required to test a new release. Oct 21 11:58:42 Release: yes, update: no Oct 21 11:58:57 reflashing shouldn't be too dangerous on the spitz/akita Oct 21 11:59:16 coz you're not replacing the bootloader, only the kernel & root fs Oct 21 11:59:25 With the disadvantage, all packages not in the image must be reinstalled. Oct 21 12:00:23 ...and maybe reconfigured. Oct 21 12:00:59 On my Z i.e., I am using 300MB for my applications. Oct 21 12:01:00 mmhmm... Oct 21 12:01:27 if you use a 2008 image you should only need to upgrade Oct 21 12:02:53 Images I can test on another sd-card. Oct 21 12:03:22 This is no problem, Oct 21 12:04:12 But if an upgrade means: 100 new libs and applications, then it is very difficult, to tell, which new application is causing the crash., Oct 21 12:04:42 eekee, that's true. unbrickable Oct 21 12:04:49 If an upgrade means: 10 new packages, it is much easier to report and of course, step back, too. Oct 21 12:05:06 vanguard: the best you can do is test the 2008 images, report bugs (and maybe fix them), also feedback on reported bugs is useful. Oct 21 12:05:07 eekee, sorry, didn't scroll. I was referring to reflashing shouldn't be too dangerous on the spitz/akita Oct 21 12:05:28 * eekee plans to take another crack at installing source mage on his z anyway. this does mean that any and all such bugs will be his responsibility to fix, but also means wipe-and upgrade cycle Oct 21 12:05:40 dcordes: I figured that ^.^ Oct 21 12:10:19 .dev moves quite fast. and _someone_ has to find out which package broke something. Oct 21 12:11:48 Yes, but this can only be done, if someone is interested in fast reaction. This means: Only few changes, and fast reports. Oct 21 12:12:13 And official releases, when the bug is really solved. Oct 21 12:12:25 Few is more ! Oct 21 12:13:51 But I understand: Very few people own a SL-C1000, so it is difficult. Oct 21 12:14:36 It is difficult, too, because some packages only crash on akita, and not on other machines. Oct 21 12:15:21 But I am no devolper, so I can only report, what does not work, but not why. Oct 21 12:15:27 a script error & a binary crash aren't necessarily the same things Oct 21 12:16:16 If I find an error in a script, I tell it. Oct 21 12:16:32 (see my report of /etc/X11/Xinit) Oct 21 12:19:21 But what should I think, when in the next version of the package the same error is still built in ? This means for me: No one is interested. So next time I stay quiet. Really, I do not want to nerd someone !. Oct 21 12:20:56 I found another bug. the command "su" is no more working. You must set the file busybox with the sticky-bit. Oct 21 12:21:56 But if you do that, then all files, which are linked to busybox, get the sticky-bit for root. A security hole ! Oct 21 12:24:19 no, busybox is careful to drop privileges for commands that dont' need them Oct 21 12:25:26 But I cannot do su in a terminal in X. Oct 21 12:25:32 This was working before., Oct 21 12:26:26 oh you mean it should be installed with suid bit, in which case yeah Oct 21 12:26:32 And for me "su" is needed (I use kismet) Oct 21 12:27:15 I installed coreutils & other stuff early on. Can't be dealing with busybox, & there's less point on a spitz Oct 21 12:28:10 Anyway: It is not working. Oct 21 12:29:05 vanguard: chmod 4755 /bin/busybox ? Oct 21 12:29:45 actually that's not machine-specific & could be a really nasty bug if root login was disabled in the gui Oct 21 12:30:40 I do not know the reason. I file a bug. Oct 21 12:31:29 its fastest to fix the bug (using oe) attach the fix to the bug in the bugtracker and tell devs in oe about it (woglinde, hrw or me are good choices) Oct 21 12:34:50 I filed a bug. Oct 21 12:35:08 #4753 Oct 21 12:35:17 So everyone can look at it. Oct 21 12:36:09 I am thinking of making a bug list and send it to someone directly. What about this idea ? Oct 21 12:50:23 It makes only sense if fixes are attached. Otherwise it takes too long to fix a bug to get a whole list at once. Oct 21 13:22:36 ok, I've switched back from a custom image to x11-image so I'll be able to make bug reports that will be useful Oct 21 13:53:12 Morning all.. Anyone familiar on setting up the boot params on a Sharp SL6000 aka tosa ? Oct 21 13:54:10 The opie images and stuff work great but moment I do an update / upgrade I run out of room. So wonder if I could port the main part of the fs onto a SD card or CF card? Oct 21 13:55:08 do you know about altboot? Oct 21 13:55:10 HRH_H_Crab: You awake there buddy ? Oct 21 13:55:29 johnx: Altboot? as in an image? Oct 21 13:55:56 johnx: Not specifically up until now I have just used Angtrom on my H4100 . Oct 21 13:56:14 johnx: Let me read up on it though.. Oct 21 13:56:16 it's a package you can install to let you boot the kernel from internal flash and let you choose whether to mount cf or sd (or internal flash) as rootfs Oct 21 13:59:57 hi all :) Oct 21 14:00:00 johnx: Hmmm you mean it prompts you to do that? Or you can just tell it if there is a SD card there boot from that Oct 21 14:00:12 i got a problem with sound in angstrom Oct 21 14:00:19 i'm running the beagleboard demo image Oct 21 14:00:37 DonAlex, it prompts, but there is a timeout then it boots the last thing you chose Oct 21 14:00:45 and whenever i try to play a sound file (or whatever software that accesses the soundcard) the system completely freezes Oct 21 14:02:02 johnx: I see.. and you say this is a package yes? To install after the opie/x11 image is booted Oct 21 14:02:22 har har the DealExtreme junk keeps coming in Oct 21 14:02:23 =D Oct 21 14:02:33 DonAlex, correct Oct 21 14:02:38 hy guys Oct 21 14:02:43 hey Tomoe Oct 21 14:02:52 hy johnx Oct 21 14:02:54 DonAlex, it's basically a tricky replacement for init Oct 21 14:03:13 johnx: It's not going to pull in everything else is it cause the main problem with ipkg upgrade is it move from kernel 2..6.23 to 2.6.24 and in the process blows away all the modules. Because it runs out of space the modules never get replaced and I am left with a machine that boots with no drivers ;) Oct 21 14:03:29 johnx: cool.. Oct 21 14:03:43 johnx: Well seems like I should go that route then.. Oct 21 14:04:03 johnx: if you are around for 10 mins I can tell you how it works :D Oct 21 14:04:16 DonAlex, do a "noaction" trial run first to see if it works Oct 21 14:04:32 but it shouldn't depend on specific versions of anything Oct 21 14:05:58 johnx: *nods* Yup will do.. Still very glad Angstorm took over OZ.. between my h4100 and this SL6000 donated to me by my brother I feel quite adventurous in the PDA department... all i need now is a Freerunner and to try openmoko :P Oct 21 14:07:50 how is sl6000 hardware support these days? Oct 21 14:09:51 johnx: Seems pretty good sound wifi usb all work Oct 21 14:10:02 that's really great Oct 21 14:11:10 johnx: Yeah Looks pretty too :P Oct 21 14:14:45 anybody got a clue about my sound issue? Oct 21 14:17:17 Urgh ! I wanted to pack the whole feed on my sd-card. 1.3 Gig ! This will eat all space on my 2 GB sd-card. Oct 21 14:17:53 I think, I will buy a new one. 4GB are really cheap today. Oct 21 14:18:20 :) Oct 21 14:19:21 johnx: Cool, that you will be able to install an image from the stock. I will go on looking for bugs, too. Oct 21 14:20:08 nabax: I guess you are the only one with a beagleboard here. From you description I guess its a kernel issue. Oct 21 14:21:24 nabax, have you checked on #beagle ? Oct 21 14:21:53 uhm Oct 21 14:21:58 i've checked yeah Oct 21 14:22:05 nobody seems to answer lol Oct 21 14:22:40 I thought i heard they were having sound issues a while ago. how old is the kernel image? Oct 21 14:22:47 i've heard that the beagle with angrstrom has some problems when using OSS, but i tried alsa instead and it doesn't work either Oct 21 14:22:57 uhm i just downloaded the last one Oct 21 14:23:04 johnx: hmmm numero uno problemo.. Oct 21 14:23:10 but let me check, in case i got a wrong one :) Oct 21 14:23:45 johnx: Seems altboot only has 4 options. 1 ) SD/MMC 2) USB 3) Loopimages 4) Core. Oct 21 14:23:59 johnx: is core NAND flash ? Oct 21 14:24:21 I don't think so Oct 21 14:24:26 you could try it Oct 21 14:24:36 I got 2.6.26, is that the last one? Oct 21 14:25:13 I don't know much about beagle. what date is it from? Oct 21 14:27:38 let me check too :p Oct 21 14:27:57 september the 20th Oct 21 14:28:04 so i guess it's the last one :( Oct 21 14:31:45 DonAlex: yo Oct 21 14:31:54 HRH_H_Crab: Lo how's it going? Oct 21 14:32:19 not bad Oct 21 14:32:31 HRH_H_Crab: Just been chatting about this SL6000 my bro gave me.. It is quite fun really :) Oct 21 14:32:47 aah Oct 21 14:33:12 thats the one with the nice display right? Oct 21 14:33:33 and built in wifi / bluetooth? Oct 21 14:34:22 HRH_H_Crab: Not Bluetooth no.. but I can always add a module I think.. Oct 21 14:34:35 HRH_H_Crab: has CF and SD and a nice display right :) Oct 21 14:37:31 HRH_H_Crab: Ok dumb question I know.. but if I do ipkg install kernel-image-2.6.x is it going to write the right kernel to the internal flash for tosa? Oct 21 14:45:37 prob. not Oct 21 14:46:34 i don't know much about tosa, but on spitz you need to copy the kernel to a cf / sd card along with the installer script, Oct 21 14:46:47 making sure that the tgz for the actual filesystem image is not on the card. Oct 21 14:46:53 HRH_H_Crab: Hmm then how do I update the kernel from within angstrom then ? Oct 21 14:47:03 you then flash as per normal. Oct 21 14:47:22 the installer script will then flash the kernel and exit leaving your filesystem intact. Oct 21 14:47:25 HRH_H_Crab: Oh did that.. there is an install bundle that basically upgrades it internally Oct 21 14:47:30 normally in my experience, Oct 21 14:47:55 HRH_H_Crab: I just want to know what to do to upgrade the kernel rather than install a new init rd Oct 21 14:48:11 you may then have to go through the hell of finding a module tarball to fit your new kernel, Oct 21 14:48:22 and extract the contents of that to /lib/ Oct 21 14:48:38 which may be tricky as various things that you need modules for might not be working. Oct 21 14:49:01 but, everything which ive just said is based on my understanding of spitz Oct 21 14:49:11 tosa could be completely different (but i expect its the same) Oct 21 14:50:18 HRH_H_Crab: Well for the main part it is just to overcome the problem I get with ipkg upgrade. it pulls in a 2.6.24 kernel complete with modules then deletes the 2.6.23 ones leaving me with no drivers Oct 21 14:50:52 well the modules part can be fixed if you can somehow mount something with the modules on the device. Oct 21 14:50:53 johnx: Hmm could you perhaps give me some pointers on altboot? Cause i set it to boot off SD card not seem to work. Oct 21 14:50:55 DonAlex, so do the module update, then shut off the machine, then flash kernel 2.6.24, then turn it on normally Oct 21 14:51:26 i normally copy the module tarball to the sd card when i flash the kernel. Oct 21 14:51:28 johnx: Ok.. so how do I flash just the kernel? So far the only way I done it is with the install tarball. Oct 21 14:51:47 DonAlex: yeah you just do it the same way. Oct 21 14:51:55 theres three things you put on the card right? Oct 21 14:51:55 right, so the install tarball contains zImage initrd.bin and updater.sh, right? Oct 21 14:52:02 just remove initrd.bin (or similar) Oct 21 14:52:03 I see the zimages are seperate but how do I tell the bootload to replace it? Oct 21 14:52:11 yeah Oct 21 14:52:12 you don't need to Oct 21 14:52:17 johnx: yeah that's the one :) Oct 21 14:52:28 DonAlex: dont worry about that. just make sure that the only thing thats on there is the script and the zimage and you are good to go. Oct 21 14:52:44 (although like i say i put the modules tarball on too and then just extract it on reboot) Oct 21 14:52:53 HRH_H_Crab: So the update script will still run without an initrd? Oct 21 14:52:59 correct Oct 21 14:53:22 johnx: Ahhhhh now I get ti.. so I just need updater.sh and a zimage.. Oct 21 14:53:29 right Oct 21 14:54:13 johnx: Easy when you know how huh? Funny ;i never came across that info when I was looking at what params updater.sh has.. umm none as it turns out :P Oct 21 14:54:29 updater.sh is ... weird Oct 21 14:54:29 DonAlex: there is a horribly obscure part of the angstrom site, where you can find the module tarballs which you'll need later... Oct 21 14:54:33 hmmm... Oct 21 14:54:36 let me see if i can find it. Oct 21 14:55:34 DonAlex, I hope that altboot works out...It works great on collie and akita so I assumed it would work fine for you... Oct 21 14:56:24 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/tosa/ Oct 21 14:56:36 DonAlex: you'll prob. find the modules for your new kernel lurking around there. Oct 21 14:56:47 its just a question of extracting the tarball. Oct 21 14:56:59 johnx: Well it seems to be what I want.. just not sure the mechanics of why it misses the SD card. Oct 21 14:57:13 will it boot from flash? Oct 21 14:57:17 HRH_H_Crab: Well ipkg upgrade seems to pull them right in.. Oct 21 14:57:27 im pretty sure the altboot stuff works very nicely, but ive never tried it. Oct 21 14:57:31 johnx: The SD card you mean? Oct 21 14:57:41 DonAlex: well if you get problems that link could be useful but hopefully you are right. Oct 21 14:57:50 I mean does it boot from the internal storage? Oct 21 14:58:05 to boot from sd you might need to tweak the modules it loads Oct 21 14:58:17 johnx: Oh right now.. yes.. even though altboot was set to point at SD card.. Oct 21 14:58:32 johnx: Ahhh good point.. Oct 21 14:58:41 ah, good if it still boots then we can figure out how to make it work perfectly Oct 21 14:58:41 johnx: altbootctl then huh?:) Oct 21 14:58:50 I was worried I left you with a non-working device O_o Oct 21 14:59:20 johnx: Oh it is quite resilient Ifind.. :P Worst comes to worst I hit reset and then go through thr bootloaded upgrade procedur of CF again Oct 21 14:59:42 heh Oct 21 15:00:05 if i had a dollar for every time i thought id rendered my spitz into a bricklike state... Oct 21 15:00:20 infact i even bought another one because i thought id killed it /o\ Oct 21 15:00:32 it was actually a faulty charger. Oct 21 15:00:36 *shame* Oct 21 15:00:53 HRH_H_Crab: oh well now you have a spare :P Oct 21 15:00:58 idd Oct 21 15:01:13 i might go back to angstrom on the spare Oct 21 15:01:15 johnx: Hang on I'll put up a screen cap of my modules.. one mo Oct 21 15:01:17 im actually using debian now. Oct 21 15:01:23 i only have debian on my slug atm. Oct 21 15:01:27 HRH_H_Crab: oh? How does that work out? Oct 21 15:01:38 DonAlex: if you are a console junky, its lovely Oct 21 15:01:39 HRH_H_Crab: Ahh yes we talked about that before.. Oct 21 15:01:49 but all the x and desktop side is an utter abortion. Oct 21 15:01:55 angstrom does it waaaaay better. Oct 21 15:01:59 lxde seems to work ok Oct 21 15:02:01 HRH_H_Crab: remember I pointed you to that Amstrad E3 :) Oct 21 15:02:06 yeah Oct 21 15:02:11 HRH_H_Crab: Oh quite.. I find that myself.. Oct 21 15:02:24 i love gpe Oct 21 15:02:25 but I agree, angstrom is much more stripped down and nimble Oct 21 15:02:37 i think its by far the niceest gui ive used on my z Oct 21 15:02:49 HRH_H_Crab: to be honest Angstrom is starting to look pretty slick these days.. and now they have moved over to git well can only get better Oct 21 15:03:05 and the stuff like the funky power management stuff is awesome (which i think all comes from angstrom) Oct 21 15:03:23 johnx: I have ldxe as a back up enviroment on my laptop and the servers I build :P Oct 21 15:03:36 johnx: very nice a lightweight and looks good. Oct 21 15:04:01 but what you get with debian, is like a horrible frankenstein of that angstrom stuff, and a desktop environment that really needs a mouse. Oct 21 15:04:28 i dont really mind it though. i do everything in console with my z now. Oct 21 15:04:33 yeah, movable windows+touchscreen is not awesome Oct 21 15:04:57 i like the poky gui a lot too. Oct 21 15:05:25 but without some sort of sane package repository i couldnt be bothered with that for long. Oct 21 15:05:32 HRH_H_Crab: Oh yeah looked at that today.. very kids friendly :P Oct 21 15:05:50 see thats what i want though. Oct 21 15:06:12 i want a fisher price gui with barely any options, that i can jab my finger at when ive got a hangover, Oct 21 15:06:27 Oh btw.. I am sure I over looked this at some point but what IS the default root passwd on Opie? I vaugely remember it as being something asinine Oct 21 15:06:32 but which i can dismiss very quickly to a proper linux console and do "screen -dr" Oct 21 15:06:49 If fisher Price did do gui's eh? :P Oct 21 15:07:24 Maybe that will be Steve Jobs next project.. and jesus phone for under 5's Oct 21 15:07:54 is anyone in the channel still running angstrom on spitz? Oct 21 15:07:58 * HRH_H_Crab pokes dcordes Oct 21 15:08:03 you used to didnt you? Oct 21 15:08:45 also, comedy++ Oct 21 15:08:50 i updated my slug recently, Oct 21 15:08:57 and it installed loads of module updates. Oct 21 15:09:15 im 99% that that will not be happy after a reboot and i have nfi how to update the kernel on that. Oct 21 15:09:21 \o\ /o/ Oct 21 15:10:00 running angstrom on akita Oct 21 15:10:27 crab@potoi:~$ /sbin/lsmod Oct 21 15:10:27 Module Size Used by Not tainted Oct 21 15:10:29 hmmm Oct 21 15:10:31 does that count? working on dragging the poky desktop setup into angstrom :) Oct 21 15:10:49 maybe i was being overcautious. Oct 21 15:10:59 johnx: akita is the same isnt it? Oct 21 15:11:05 in terms of angstrom version? Oct 21 15:11:08 c1000? Oct 21 15:11:19 so i assume you have built your own right? Oct 21 15:11:28 http://imagebin.org/29147 Oct 21 15:11:33 as there is no mentor for spitz afaik and hence only ancient stuff available? Oct 21 15:11:39 johnx: That's the modules.. it currentl has.. Oct 21 15:11:58 doesn;t seem to be one for the SD card or am I am talking nads? Oct 21 15:12:24 HRH_H_Crab, yeah, building my own 2008.6 image from dev Oct 21 15:12:32 DonAlex, is there an sd card in right now? Oct 21 15:12:32 HRH_H_Crab: could be the drivers are just compiled in. Oct 21 15:12:44 johnx: Yes. Oct 21 15:13:06 DonAlex, what device does it show up as? Oct 21 15:13:21 lol Oct 21 15:13:34 i clicked one random pic off that site, Oct 21 15:13:34 johnx: hang on.. Oct 21 15:13:41 and got someones gmail password Oct 21 15:13:43 :| Oct 21 15:14:10 DonAlex: yeah thats what im hoping. Oct 21 15:14:18 my slugs been up for months, Oct 21 15:14:26 so if it has no modules loaded now, Oct 21 15:14:33 chances are it will survive a reboot. Oct 21 15:15:56 You know somehting? Oct 21 15:16:21 running altbootcfg is telling me it cannot find a device for the SD card.. Oct 21 15:16:31 I am betting that is it.. Oct 21 15:16:57 your sd card is mounted right? type "mount" in a console Oct 21 15:17:41 unless hes using that horrible autofs abomination Oct 21 15:18:26 johnx: seems to ? http://pastebin.com/m1931823 Oct 21 15:18:49 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext2 (rw,sync) Oct 21 15:18:56 yup, that's right Oct 21 15:19:05 johnx: Should I make the mount point / Oct 21 15:19:09 huh, well if it doesn't need drivers and it's the standard device name (it is) I don't know the problem Oct 21 15:19:14 errr...no Oct 21 15:19:18 definitely not Oct 21 15:19:28 johnx: hmm... ok Oct 21 15:21:34 johnx: Wait I get this error when removing and reinstalling altboot. http://pastebin.com/me301ec0 could that be a problem? Oct 21 15:22:52 johnx: What bad address could it mean? A flash address? Oct 21 15:25:07 dmesg | tail Oct 21 15:25:13 anything interesting? Oct 21 15:25:20 probably just an ipkg error Oct 21 15:25:28 it's not terribly reliable in my experience Oct 21 15:26:16 johnx: hmm well i am trying it again... Oct 21 15:26:33 johnx: Oooooo Oct 21 15:26:51 now I am getting cannot open mtab and promting me for new passwd :D Oct 21 15:27:02 that sounds better :) Oct 21 15:27:34 johnx: why is it asking me a password? Oct 21 15:27:55 johnx: to set it or to use it? Oct 21 15:28:22 to set it Oct 21 15:28:45 so you can set it to not let people boot without a password Oct 21 15:29:12 johnx: Is it going to ask me that every time? Oct 21 15:29:42 not unless you tell it to Oct 21 15:29:43 is it working? Oct 21 15:30:30 johnx: yes seems to be.. asking me a bunch of questions.. this last one is a little cryptic though? Oct 21 15:30:42 loop images and /home? Oct 21 15:30:56 Do you want to keep the SD CF and /home ipkg install targets? Oct 21 15:31:04 no Oct 21 15:31:15 just say no Oct 21 15:31:20 nothing but pain will come from that Oct 21 15:31:26 but if you said yes you can fix it later Oct 21 15:31:30 johnx: ahh picoting Oct 21 15:31:34 pivoting :P) Oct 21 15:31:38 rawk! Oct 21 15:32:07 johnx: Quite :) Oct 21 15:32:31 johnx: so the other 64 million $ is.. how I free up the nand flash now :P Oct 21 15:32:47 never think about it again :) Oct 21 15:32:55 you can boot from sd. why go back? Oct 21 15:33:28 johnx: hehe.. well suppose the SD goes south? Be nice ot have a rescue image on standby Oct 21 15:34:53 I definitely agree :) Oct 21 15:35:17 I use a console image for the internal NAND and a GUI image for my SD card Oct 21 15:35:20 it seems to work well Oct 21 15:35:31 it also means I can back up my current SD setup with rsync Oct 21 15:35:40 johnx: yeah seems to be the Right Thing (tm) ;) Oct 21 15:36:23 you could just remove most of the the GUI package with ipkg -recursive remove Oct 21 15:36:37 then use the space to install screen, rsync and e2fsprogs Oct 21 15:45:24 johnx: Now that is actually quite a nice idea :) Oct 21 15:46:06 johnx: Just doing an upgrade now on the sd card.. :) Oct 21 15:46:39 johnx: that will be so nice.. and now i know how to upgrade the kernel even better :) Oct 21 15:47:10 good deal Oct 21 15:47:29 maybe I should try and find an SL6000 for myself... :) Oct 21 15:47:46 johnx: hehe.. well only if you are in the US or japan :) Oct 21 15:48:04 :) Oct 21 15:48:21 johnx: my brother donated this too me cause he doesn't use it much these days.. has a A780 instead.. Oct 21 15:49:09 well, actually I have a pandora coming...so what I need to do is *not* collect more gadgets :) Oct 21 15:49:20 johnx: yes bluetooth on this would be nice.. but then again it has wifi and so does everything else I own ;) Oct 21 15:49:59 johnx: haha talk to HRH_H_Crab about that.. ;) not even enough room to squash a cat let along swing one :) Oct 21 15:50:59 johnx: cool updated no errors.. and I get wpa_supplicant for free :) Oct 21 15:51:13 well, reboot and hope it comes up ok Oct 21 15:51:17 cross your fingers :) Oct 21 15:52:23 johnx: woah! Oct 21 15:52:25 nice! Oct 21 15:52:29 (the pandora) Oct 21 15:52:31 johnx: gotta flash the kernel first ;) Oct 21 15:52:34 <---- jealous Oct 21 15:52:54 on paper looks like a very sexy device, Oct 21 15:53:19 I called in favors and asked for everyone who knows me to pitch in together on a joint birthday present :) Oct 21 15:53:59 I'm really looking forward to putting the omap3 through its paces with a decent graphics controller hooked up to it Oct 21 15:54:09 indeed.. something worthy of coveting :) Oct 21 15:54:24 the SL6000 is still worth more money though :P Oct 21 15:54:41 although in a lot of ways, Oct 21 15:55:23 the new google device (which could be the real jesus/damian phone) has sort of really put the electronic cat among the hand-held linux pigeons. Oct 21 15:55:28 johnx: It is suprisingly fast I find.. :) Oct 21 15:55:44 HRH_H_Crab: What the G1? Oct 21 15:56:07 HRH_H_Crab, don't speak too soon. Android source was just released. with any luck that will be running on the pandora as well by release day :) Oct 21 15:56:40 johnx: Yeah..wonder how many targets it will hit with developer support.. Oct 21 15:57:02 it's hit plenty as a binary only sdk being wedged onto random ARM machines Oct 21 15:57:03 johnx: If they are running OE on it already then will be no time before some sleek distros come about Oct 21 15:57:04 :) Oct 21 15:58:07 I just hope that keybo will be usable Oct 21 15:58:43 Tomoe, the cellphone? Oct 21 15:58:53 hmm Oct 21 15:58:54 Alrighty.. moved the kernel over to the CF card.. gonna upgrade the kernel in flash now.. so wish us luck.. :P Oct 21 15:59:01 I thought we're still on Pandora, to be honest Oct 21 15:59:04 lol Oct 21 15:59:17 Tomoe, ah, the keyboard? there's a cell phone called the keybo :P Oct 21 15:59:27 really Oct 21 15:59:30 GOOGLETIME Oct 21 16:00:13 lol Oct 21 16:00:17 omg Oct 21 16:00:21 its so dorkycool Oct 21 16:00:28 it looks nice enough Oct 21 16:02:19 johnx: awwwwww crap... Oct 21 16:02:39 not booting? Oct 21 16:03:30 johnx: getting that tmfi-fb error.. now.. Oct 21 16:04:38 johnx: got that with the lastest builds of angstrom but someone said the dev builds worked.. Oct 21 16:05:26 johnx: I am guessing there is something specific going on.. oh how I WISH that angstrom was using git when they did 2.6.23r8 build.. Oct 21 16:05:52 johnx: could easily work out what changed and fix it Oct 21 16:06:24 eep :( Oct 21 16:06:40 maybe flash back down and unpack the modules.tgz in place? Oct 21 16:06:54 oh it is no biggy.. just copy back the old kernel.. and yeah do that.. Oct 21 16:07:12 johnx: bummer though.. means not running 2.6.24 then Oct 21 16:08:20 the thing which i like about the g1 (though im waiting to see how it all pans out) is that you don't need the pandora. Oct 21 16:08:34 the pandora needs a phone though (if you don't have wifi nearby) Oct 21 16:09:02 im hoping that you'll be able to run some pretty geeky stuff on the g1 eventually, but we'll see. Oct 21 16:09:13 im not that interested in android itsef. Oct 21 16:09:21 HRH_H_Crab: So why you not interested in the freerunner then? Oct 21 16:09:38 freerunner lacks the keyboard :| Oct 21 16:09:49 and 3G Oct 21 16:10:15 well yeah Oct 21 16:10:18 now you mention it Oct 21 16:10:27 but the keyboard hurts worse actually. Oct 21 16:10:27 HRH_H_Crab: hehe is that a problem when you can do speech recognition on it ;) but yeah I guess a bluetooth keyboard is a bit bulky :P Oct 21 16:10:28 HRH_H_Crab, I'm starving for a real processor though. The OMAP3 just tempted me too much. :) Oct 21 16:10:55 * johnx pictures using a bt keyboard while standing on a commuter train Oct 21 16:10:59 johnx: don't get me wrong im still jealous Oct 21 16:11:07 HRH_H_Crab: i am currently using an iphone 3G, so i definately feel the no-keyboard pain ;) Oct 21 16:11:10 3G is overrated I afraid.. Oct 21 16:11:33 rather have wimax instead if I had a choice.. which I don't because I am in the UK :( Oct 21 16:11:35 esp. since if i had a pandora id stick with my current sony ericsson pretty happily Oct 21 16:11:47 I'm somewhat jealous of anyone with a G1, but I'm still in contract with my current phone and the G1 isn't available here anyways Oct 21 16:11:55 DonAlex: i wouldnt say "overrated" but id say a bit overhyped for me. Oct 21 16:12:01 DonAlex: not if you want to use ssh Oct 21 16:12:17 it's overhyped depending on location Oct 21 16:12:28 for anyone in Baltimore right now it's not overhyped Oct 21 16:12:37 it's overhyped as regards to bandwidth Oct 21 16:12:38 for most of the rest of the world the hype > reality Oct 21 16:12:42 HRH_H_Crab: Depends.. rated speeds? Do me a favour ;) and still quite patchy I have found.. not that I have any 3G signal strength logger availible to me ;) Oct 21 16:12:51 but the latency on 3G is MUCH better than edge Oct 21 16:13:18 DonAlex: well i don't have 3G and havent really used it. Oct 21 16:13:18 ssh over edge is painful Oct 21 16:13:25 im using gprs and i can get buy quite happil Oct 21 16:13:25 over 3g, it's not too bad Oct 21 16:13:28 *by Oct 21 16:13:34 but i expect 3g is a lot better. Oct 21 16:13:58 but on my z, its not a problem really. Oct 21 16:14:22 i browse the web more on links via screen and ssh from my machine at home than i do on the z itself! Oct 21 16:14:23 HRH_H_Crab: I used it once in a tight situation and it behaved.. well okish.. alright for ssh access.. but forget anything to do with multiple webpages.. Oct 21 16:14:45 if i had a more capable device id prob. want the 3g more. Oct 21 16:15:06 HRH_H_Crab: yeah. but can;t help but feel there is something wrong with doing that faster these days.. Oct 21 16:17:08 yes Oct 21 16:17:18 which all kind of points back at the pandora. Oct 21 16:17:23 HRH_H_Crab: hell I was zipping though with gopher and WAIS way back in the day ;) Oct 21 16:17:36 anyone seen this? http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=10258 Oct 21 16:17:43 DonAlex, did you have google maps? Oct 21 16:17:48 (speaking of zaurus/pandora-like devices) Oct 21 16:17:52 if that becomes pretty easily available and im not stricken by the credit crunch, i might still be inclined to go for that coupled with my crappy sony ericsson. :D Oct 21 16:17:56 I'd kinda like to feel I've grown up in that time (lol) Oct 21 16:18:05 johnx: On my phone? Oct 21 16:18:14 on gopher? :) Oct 21 16:18:20 the internet changed Oct 21 16:18:34 johnx: hahaha.. dunno.. be interesting to see though no? Oct 21 16:18:47 johnx: a txt based ascii map planner :P Oct 21 16:19:09 hmmm...well you can render anything into ascii art with aalib... Oct 21 16:19:25 johnx: it would be be like playing nethack in real life :D Oct 21 16:19:39 Sketch, saw it. It's a painful step down from the zaurus though, except for included bt/wifi Oct 21 16:21:10 johnx: you do know you can get bluetooth SD cards as well as combi CF cards? Oct 21 16:21:41 well, sd cards aren't that helpful for m Oct 21 16:22:00 but combo CF cards sound great Oct 21 16:22:07 is there a known good brand? Oct 21 16:22:08 johnx: yeah, QVGA in particular, and the keyboard looks like it's probably not too great (though probably no worse than the pandora) Oct 21 16:22:16 cheap though Oct 21 16:22:32 and always nice to see more linux devices out there Oct 21 16:22:37 Sketch, also: linux 2.4.19, no touchscreen, no storage expansion Oct 21 16:22:45 2.8" screen...ow Oct 21 16:23:17 SD and USB? Oct 21 16:23:22 it has SD? Oct 21 16:23:27 somehow I missed that Oct 21 16:23:46 "an 8GB SD card slot" Oct 21 16:23:59 micro sd Oct 21 16:24:00 ah, it's microSD Oct 21 16:24:01 ah ok Oct 21 16:24:21 ahaha...and "vibrator" Oct 21 16:24:25 i would say the only thing it has going over the zaurus is that it's smaller Oct 21 16:24:30 and cheaper Oct 21 16:24:57 it would be fine for console only stuff Oct 21 16:25:08 or maybe email/im Oct 21 16:25:53 the Z's a bit small for console stuff unless your eyes are great Oct 21 16:26:17 * eekee uses 63-col tty on spitz Oct 21 16:27:55 eekee: Actually I was suprisingly pleased by how easy it was this resolution screen really makes all the characters sooo clear. Oct 21 16:28:11 eekee: way better than the h4100 320x240 can deal.. Oct 21 16:29:45 oh yeah the dpi is nice! Oct 21 16:29:50 high dpi Oct 21 16:29:54 johnx: ok back to booting 2.6.23 now.. oh well.. actually was easier this time.. because ti did nto delete the modules off the SD card.. Oct 21 16:30:13 johnx: Must be because it had plenty of room to have both side by side :) Oct 21 16:30:31 don't need antialiasing, which is good coz it's a bit slow for antialiasing :) Oct 21 16:31:25 Ok who around here is an opie geek? Will someone tell me how I can change this stupid background from being tiled. Oct 21 16:31:54 make the image resolution bigger than the screen resolution? Oct 21 16:32:04 background stuff is in settings -> launcher Oct 21 16:32:05 IIRC Oct 21 16:33:09 johnx: launcher? What moron decided to put it there instead of under 'Appearance' ;) Oct 21 16:33:27 because it's the launcher background not the window appearance :P Oct 21 16:34:10 johnx: *groans* Oct 21 16:34:52 johnx: hate to say it but least GPE makes sense :P Oct 21 16:36:20 johnx: hmm you know something.. ? It's not there either :P Oct 21 16:36:31 huh? really? Oct 21 16:37:30 johnx: yup really? unless I am being particularly dense now... Oct 21 16:37:38 wait I'll take another screen cap.. Oct 21 16:37:41 they are pretty :D Oct 21 16:52:22 johnx: http://imagebin.org/29153 http://imagebin.org/29154 Oct 21 16:52:54 johnx: Sorry it took so long.. I was wrong.. it did delete some modules :P namely the usb gadgets ones :P Oct 21 16:58:33 under tabs Oct 21 16:58:40 (I think) Oct 21 17:02:09 johnx: nope.. Just All Tabs Pim Applications Settings and Documents Oct 21 17:03:32 all tabs -> edit Oct 21 17:04:49 johnx: ahhh hmmmm could that have made it a little more .. umm obvious? Oct 21 17:05:00 yeah Oct 21 17:05:05 I suppose Oct 21 17:05:13 I used opie a lot back in the day Oct 21 17:05:23 johnx: ;) hey ho... Oct 21 17:05:37 johnx: Well to be honest.. I am torn between opie and gpe.. Oct 21 17:05:52 welcome to the club Oct 21 17:06:01 I've been torn between them and other things for years now Oct 21 17:06:18 johnx: gpe has more configurabilty with gtk themes etc.. but opie has more PIM stuff with it. Oct 21 17:06:45 johnx: Although I can get syncing to work with gpesyncd but not it seems with opie so.. Oct 21 17:07:08 johnx: Still now I am booting off sd card I can try both and see how they pan out :D Oct 21 17:08:04 hmmm why does iwconfig show wlan0 has no wireless extensions? Oct 21 17:08:22 is it loading the right driver? Oct 21 17:08:40 johnx: not sure.. which one is it .. prism2 no? Oct 21 17:09:00 I dunno :P I'm not the one with a tosa Oct 21 17:09:17 but somehow prism2 doesn't sound right for the built-in wifi Oct 21 17:09:28 johnx: http://pastebin.com/m740424fc Oct 21 17:09:53 huh Oct 21 17:09:57 I really don't know Oct 21 17:11:10 johnx: hmm apparently is a USB wifi module Oct 21 17:11:45 johnx: http://www.zaurus.org.uk/6000-dismantled.html Oct 21 17:14:06 johnx: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tag/angstrom/ Oct 21 17:14:22 johnx: Bus 1 Device 2: ID 0bb2:0302 Ambit Microsystems Corp. Oct 21 17:15:13 johnx: wonder if it needs firmware? Oct 21 17:15:50 johnx: oppps.. Got and OOPs ;) Oct 21 17:16:38 ouch Oct 21 17:16:59 johnx: http://pastebin.com/m4aefd427 Oct 21 17:17:15 johnx: hehe..guess I found a bug.. hey ho.. Oct 21 17:17:29 johnx: nice to know I still have the golden touch :P Oct 21 17:22:43 ok guys... gonna call it a day now.. Oct 21 17:22:47 Thanks for all your help... Oct 21 17:22:54 learned quite a bit more now.. Oct 21 17:23:19 I'll think I'll build my own kernel though and see if I cannot work out what is wrong with the fb bug. Oct 21 17:23:30 y'all take care ok? Oct 21 17:23:35 Later :-h Oct 21 17:23:42 'night Oct 21 19:58:23 hi Oct 21 19:58:53 I need, if possible, some help on Fn+D+M menu :\ Oct 21 20:07:14 fosco: owned. Oct 21 20:09:36 in fact, i'm totally stupid, it just worked **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 22 02:59:57 2008