**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 28 02:59:57 2008 Nov 28 09:04:43 !logs Nov 28 09:04:43 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Nov 28 09:04:44 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Nov 28 09:04:46 Live-logs are available at Nov 28 09:04:48 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Nov 28 09:04:50 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Nov 28 09:09:44 hi anybody ? Nov 28 09:10:37 hello :) Nov 28 09:11:03 hello johnx Nov 28 09:11:58 yes, I'm still using a zaurus Nov 28 09:12:34 dualbooting? Nov 28 09:12:54 yup, dualbooting between angstrom and ubuntu Nov 28 09:13:31 and you? Nov 28 09:13:33 ubuntu ? what ver? Nov 28 09:13:58 im categorized as newbie :) Nov 28 09:14:49 it's Canonical's version of Ubuntu, Jaunty :) Nov 28 09:15:01 I have no GUI isntalled though Nov 28 09:15:51 johnx: is this the zubuntu thingy? Nov 28 09:16:02 is it developed specifically for z ? Nov 28 09:16:07 nope Nov 28 09:16:11 to both questions :) Nov 28 09:16:36 Ubuntu has an ARM port so I just used debootstrap from a desktop debian machine and I boot into it with altboot from angstrom Nov 28 09:16:45 It's still angstrom supplying the kernel Nov 28 09:16:57 aaah nice Nov 28 09:17:17 so you did debootstrap to a cf card or something? Nov 28 09:17:59 yup Nov 28 09:18:04 an sdhc card actually Nov 28 09:18:07 I like my space :) Nov 28 09:18:12 yeah Nov 28 09:18:20 my problem is i like using those for mp3s! :D Nov 28 09:18:31 there's plenty of room :) Nov 28 09:18:32 so i really want my os on the microdrive. Nov 28 09:18:33 is that ubuntu version have any use w/o gui Nov 28 09:18:55 yeah, the command line is nice :) Nov 28 09:19:10 i have debian on my z now, on the microdrive. Nov 28 09:19:15 HRH_H_Crab, ah, I have an akita so no microdrive for me Nov 28 09:19:18 i have a couple of guis installed, but never use them. Nov 28 09:19:22 bad for me since i have akita w/o md Nov 28 09:19:24 aaah makes sense then Nov 28 09:19:53 everything goes on the SD card. maybe I'll get a bigger one and make a separate /home partition :D Nov 28 09:20:31 any important special packages for ubuntu that make u use it john ? Nov 28 09:21:24 well, I'm part of a project bringing Maemo (Nokia's GUI from the N8x0) to ubuntu. so it's mostly used for development Nov 28 09:21:58 i wonder if netbook remix would be nice on my terrier Nov 28 09:22:05 probably not Nov 28 09:22:08 way to heavy Nov 28 09:22:10 really? Nov 28 09:22:20 it's still gnome Nov 28 09:22:27 it would be slow without 256MB of RAM Nov 28 09:22:30 maemo, well thats good. i see that this zaurus thing is slowed down isnt it? Nov 28 09:22:49 hmmm Nov 28 09:22:51 it's pretty old hardware now Nov 28 09:22:52 yes i guess that would be so slow Nov 28 09:24:19 if i was clever, and new what i was doing, Nov 28 09:24:40 can i dualbooting angstrom and pdaxqtrom ? i guess it will, does it? Nov 28 09:24:51 i would take angstroms kernel, and angstroms X, gpe, zaurusd setup, Nov 28 09:25:01 and fuse it with debian or ubuntu. Nov 28 09:25:19 that would be the ultimate z setup for me i think. Nov 28 09:25:24 it depends on what kernel pdaxqtrom needs. if it works work with an agstrom kernel than you're set Nov 28 09:25:37 HRH_H_Crab, you could just package all those things for debian Nov 28 09:25:40 a lot is there already Nov 28 09:25:46 yeah Nov 28 09:25:50 yongun? Nov 28 09:25:58 but you need to be a better than than me to get it to work. Nov 28 09:26:08 you'll get better as you work on it :) Nov 28 09:26:10 lopLi: yongun is different to angstrom Nov 28 09:26:19 yonggun should work with angstrom Nov 28 09:26:27 I was using that for a while Nov 28 09:26:41 I mean that pretty much *is* an angstrom kernel with some other patches added :) Nov 28 09:26:54 sorry, stupid me :) Nov 28 09:27:53 no problem. :) It's hard to keep track of who does the kernel development Nov 28 09:28:12 im using yonggun on my z atm as it happens. Nov 28 09:28:32 i might investigate angstrom and deb / ubuntu dual boot on the microdrive. Nov 28 09:28:35 should be doable. Nov 28 09:29:17 seen some how tos which look promising, just a bit confusing to read. Nov 28 09:29:22 yeah, I'd really like one of the microdrive zauruses, but at this point I've collected too much hardware and don't have enough time to play with them Nov 28 09:29:32 i wouldnt get one now. Nov 28 09:29:45 yeah. I preordered a pandora instead Nov 28 09:29:51 yeah Nov 28 09:29:53 great call Nov 28 09:29:59 im sorely tempted to do so myself. Nov 28 09:30:02 if it ever comes out O_o Nov 28 09:30:17 (and i have a virgin c3200 sitting doing nothing!) /o\ Nov 28 09:30:24 cost me more than a pandora would too. Nov 28 09:30:46 yeah, the zauruses still fetch a lot of money Nov 28 09:31:03 well i have an almost obscene attachment to mine Nov 28 09:31:23 mine too, hence why I'm trying to drag maemo onto it and make it really useful once again Nov 28 09:31:25 i thought id screwed the charger circuit so i spent money i couldnt afford on a new one! Nov 28 09:31:35 (before realising it wasnt broken!) Nov 28 09:31:49 and every time i look at the spare, Nov 28 09:32:17 well, maybe I'll put together something for you to test on it one of these days :) Nov 28 09:32:21 i get a 5 second pang of anger, and then a much longer warm glowing feeling that if i drop the other one in the toilet or whatever, i at least have a spare! Nov 28 09:32:25 :D Nov 28 09:33:12 right now I'm banging my head against a wall trying to get some key pieces of software running right on it :/ Nov 28 09:33:27 you are doing maemo on angstrom? Nov 28 09:33:35 maemo on ubuntu actually Nov 28 09:33:38 aaah Nov 28 09:33:39 nice Nov 28 09:34:34 well, i idle in here 24/7 and have a spare z, a buffalo wifi card and a cf and sdhc card Nov 28 09:34:40 so if you need help testing, Nov 28 09:34:43 give me a shout! Nov 28 09:34:44 ;P Nov 28 09:35:13 is that pandora thing is open platform guys? Nov 28 09:35:22 lopLi: yep pretty much Nov 28 09:35:26 ok, I probably will announce it in here since it's so quiet otherwise. I should add that I'm really greatful for all the work of the angstrom people, especially on the kernel :) Nov 28 09:35:29 if not 100% Nov 28 09:35:49 you can run whatever you want on it, but some drivers are closed source Nov 28 09:36:16 johnx: which bits are those? Nov 28 09:36:35 anything important / annoying? Nov 28 09:36:41 probably wifi and 3D graphics Nov 28 09:36:52 3d graphics i can live without Nov 28 09:36:57 but the kernel part is likely open with a closed binary blob in user space Nov 28 09:36:57 wifi could be more painful. Nov 28 09:37:03 aaah Nov 28 09:37:28 morally objectionable but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Nov 28 09:37:33 :P Nov 28 09:38:43 or a poke in the eye with a stick by Sharp :) Nov 28 09:38:56 hahah Nov 28 09:39:16 well, i know they werent perfect, but they were better than most! Nov 28 09:39:25 so big up Sharp as far as im concerned. Nov 28 09:39:27 errr...they weren't that great though Nov 28 09:39:34 i bet the techies wanted to be! Nov 28 09:39:38 it was the lawyers that stopped 'em Nov 28 09:40:02 well it was the techies that wrote the horrible 2.4 kernel drivers for it Nov 28 09:40:07 heh Nov 28 09:40:18 and the angstrom/OE devs (and others of course) who rewrote them Nov 28 09:40:27 hence why we have a sane 2.6 kernel now Nov 28 09:40:34 yeah Nov 28 09:43:03 I'm also not too impressed with how they handled some things when the collie was still supported Nov 28 09:43:46 but I *do* love the hardware design Nov 28 09:44:42 well, i think it says a lot for the z, that despite how old it is, Nov 28 09:44:55 the pandora is the only device thats appeared in that time to challenge it really. Nov 28 09:45:10 the google phone too maybe, but it remains to be see if thats open enough... Nov 28 17:52:05 !logs Nov 28 17:52:06 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Nov 28 17:52:07 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Nov 28 17:52:08 Live-logs are available at Nov 28 17:52:10 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Nov 28 17:52:12 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Nov 28 18:33:59 johnx, if you are there gotta sec for me? Nov 28 18:55:04 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081128-intels-linux-based-moblin-platform-arrives-on-devices.html Nov 28 18:55:14 that looks kinda cool, but the keyboard looks tiny Nov 28 19:01:25 someone recommended me a memory dumper...memdump2 or dumpmem2 or something like that does that ring a bell to anybody Nov 28 19:19:17 no but reminded me that I have to go to bathroom Nov 28 19:19:19 brb Nov 29 01:59:43 I installed LAB on my ipaq h2200, and my backup was, through my stupidity, deleted. Can I use LAB, or replace it with something? (I read about replacing it with a kernel and an HTC header, but I have no idea how to do this...) Nov 29 02:03:06 I installed LAB on my ipaq h2200, and my backup was, through my stupidity, deleted. Can I use LAB, or replace it with something? (I read about replacing it with a kernel and an HTC header, but I have no idea how to do this...) Nov 29 02:03:56 I guess I'll ask on the mailinglist... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 29 02:59:57 2008