**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 03 02:59:57 2008
Dec 03 05:40:33 <darklust> Hi, I have an iPAQ h3950 and when I run the Opie image of angstrom from my sd card with the angstrom bootloader, it boots fine but consumes a HUGE amount of RAM. I've used Familiar with Opie and memory is not consumed to the point of near brick-like speed. Is this anything I could do better to fix this?
Dec 03 08:29:46 <LopLiii> hi everybody
Dec 03 08:30:31 <LopLiii> can i use random brand sdhc and sd to use with angstrom and other zauri distro?
Dec 03 08:31:56 <johnx> as long as you use the angstrom (or possibly) yonggun kernel
Dec 03 08:32:06 <johnx> I recommend against adata cards as I've had trouble with them
Dec 03 08:32:42 <LopLiii> ahhh my favourite helper ... :p
Dec 03 08:33:02 <johnx> it's a quiet channel :)
Dec 03 08:33:29 <LopLiii> yeah. ever used unknown branded sd john
Dec 03 08:34:08 <LopLiii> ill use for multibooting pdaxrom and oe based distro
Dec 03 08:34:09 <johnx> I use the cheapest cards that I can find
Dec 03 08:34:42 <LopLiii> ever have any trouble except with adata? 
Dec 03 08:35:38 <LopLiii> i read that some cf (oem branded) sometimes cant be used to boot kernel
Dec 03 08:35:42 <johnx> er, had trouble with the following: a-data 4GB SDHC, and a PQI 2GB
Dec 03 08:35:55 <johnx> ah, you mean to re-flash?
Dec 03 08:36:00 <johnx> yeah, I've heard that too
Dec 03 08:36:37 <LopLiii> so it is just like mystery then :) 
Dec 03 08:37:06 <johnx> yeah, kinda :/
Dec 03 08:37:25 <johnx> though only one of my PQI 2GB SD cards was bad. the other works fine
Dec 03 08:37:35 <johnx> and I have an a-data 8GB SDHC that works as well
Dec 03 08:37:52 <johnx> so it might just be bad cards that would work fine in a camera, but don't work when pushed to hard :)
Dec 03 08:40:43 <LopLiii> what sd and cf card have u ever use trublefree with z?
Dec 03 08:42:09 <johnx> My 4GB SDHC card from "ALL-WAYS" works fine, and so does my 8GB a-data SDHC
Dec 03 08:42:23 <johnx> I need to test my transcend 4GB SDHC before I recommend it...
Dec 03 08:42:30 <johnx> one of my PQI 2GB cards works fine
Dec 03 08:42:49 <johnx> and I have an old. old 128MB SanDisk CF card I use for flashing
Dec 03 08:42:55 <johnx> has some bad sectors but works fine
Dec 03 08:43:15 <LopLiii> just for my ref, because of limited choice of branded one here in my country
Dec 03 08:43:24 <johnx> ok, nevermind...I just plugged it back in and it caused a kernel oops
Dec 03 08:43:33 <johnx> hmm, well that's no good
Dec 03 08:43:45 <LopLiii> :) yeah no good
Dec 03 08:45:04 <LopLiii> non sdhc card 4 gb was said to be compatible for cacko and pdaxrom, do u know something about this john?
Dec 03 08:45:17 <LopLiii> but not all of brand
Dec 03 08:45:35 <johnx> I've never tried a 4GB non-sdhc card
Dec 03 08:58:16 <LopLiii> ok john thank you for today flash-thing direction :)
Dec 03 08:59:28 <johnx> sure :)
Dec 03 12:44:29 <th0br0> hi, how can I recreate the modules tar.gz archive?
Dec 03 12:44:33 <th0br0> I deleted it accientally
Dec 03 12:44:40 <th0br0> and have not yet found out which package generates it
Dec 03 12:45:48 <johnx> hmm
Dec 03 12:46:41 <th0br0> (regardless of the fact that I still haven't been able to make my kernel boot -.-)
Dec 03 12:47:45 <johnx> ah, wait, this is in OE, right?
Dec 03 12:47:50 <th0br0> yup.
Dec 03 12:48:07 <johnx> should be generated by bitbake linux
Dec 03 12:48:11 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 12:48:17 <th0br0> thanks :)
Dec 03 12:48:17 <johnx> or whatever kernel you're using specifically
Dec 03 12:48:28 <th0br0> yeah, linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.21-hh20
Dec 03 12:48:30 <th0br0> but nvm ;)
Dec 03 12:48:43 <jerm^> morning all
Dec 03 12:48:44 <johnx> right, should do the trick
Dec 03 12:48:45 <jerm^> who maintains opkg?
Dec 03 12:48:59 <th0br0> I'll just reinstall/compile it
Dec 03 12:49:05 <th0br0> was going to anyway as I changed the kernel config ...
Dec 03 12:49:25 <jerm^> specifically, I need to file a bug report related to using opkg-native on Ubuntu Ibex (yet another FORTIFY_SOURCE error)
Dec 03 12:49:57 <johnx> jerm^, http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/changeset/4755/trunk/src/target/opkg/AUTHORS
Dec 03 12:51:08 <jerm^> johnx: rtfm eh?  thx
Dec 03 12:51:44 <johnx> well, there's lots of names. I don't know who you want
Dec 03 12:52:29 <jerm^> yeah, I'll just send a note to both of the opkg guys
Dec 03 12:52:52 <johnx> I imagine a bug on bugs.openembedded.org would go over better, unless you've already done that
Dec 03 13:36:40 <GNUtoo> hello,many applications that use X segfaults: for instance fennec: 0x41b203c4 in __real__X11TransFreeConnInfo () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
Dec 03 13:50:13 <GNUtoo-desktop> hello,many applications that use X segfaults: for instance fennec: 0x41b203c4 in __real__X11TransFreeConnInfo () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6. but also, e-17,scummvm ...
Dec 03 13:51:24 <johnx> maybe they were compiled against a different libX11?
Dec 03 13:51:30 <johnx> are they from the same feed?
Dec 03 13:51:45 <GNUtoo-desktop> yes...angstrom feed...i didn't compile apps for angstrom yet
Dec 03 13:52:12 <GNUtoo-desktop> could it be the X/Kdrive driver?
Dec 03 13:52:39 <johnx> probably not
Dec 03 13:52:48 <johnx> it looks like something in the library
Dec 03 13:52:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok thanks
Dec 03 13:53:52 <GNUtoo-desktop> here are my feeds: http://rafb.net/p/xUsvOW90.html
Dec 03 14:03:55 <GNUtoo-desktop> johnx, so what should I do, compile a new libX11? (it would take a lot of time because i canceled oe's TMPDIR...)
Dec 03 14:04:32 <johnx> I really don't know. maybe you should submit a bug report and if you don't get an answer, ask on the mailing list
Dec 03 14:05:36 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok thanks...
Dec 03 14:31:04 <th0br0> w0000t! my h3600 is finally booting!
Dec 03 14:31:08 <th0br0> I don't believe it ... :DDDDD
Dec 03 14:31:18 <johnx> woo! awesome 
Dec 03 14:31:21 <th0br0> yup...
Dec 03 14:33:03 <th0br0> I#m just wondering whether it is correct
Dec 03 14:33:07 <th0br0> that I get no futher serial output after
Dec 03 14:33:11 <th0br0> [    4.070000] VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem).
Dec 03 14:33:11 <th0br0> [    4.070000] Freeing init memory: 100K
Dec 03 14:33:49 <th0br0> (using the base image)
Dec 03 14:34:06 <johnx> anything on the framebuffer console?
Dec 03 14:34:15 <th0br0> umm... I only see a white screen :D
Dec 03 14:34:22 <th0br0> so... the fstab might be wrong...
Dec 03 14:34:30 <johnx> did you compile in framebuffer console support to your kernel?
Dec 03 14:34:36 <th0br0> that's a good question tbh
Dec 03 14:34:37 <th0br0> I think so.
Dec 03 14:34:47 <th0br0> but let me check
Dec 03 14:35:15 <th0br0> yeah
Dec 03 14:35:17 <th0br0> i did.
Dec 03 14:35:29 <th0br0> well... anyway.
Dec 03 14:36:42 <th0br0> at least it's working so far :)
Dec 03 15:11:35 <th0br0> let's try running opie now...
Dec 03 15:11:41 <th0br0> -.- serial is soo~ slow
Dec 03 15:54:01 <th0br0> mmh... right, next porblem
Dec 03 15:54:03 <th0br0> *problem
Dec 03 15:54:19 <th0br0> it appears that my kernel is always freezing after 
Dec 03 15:54:19 <th0br0> [    7.150000] VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem).
Dec 03 15:54:19 <th0br0> [    7.160000] Freeing init memory: 100K
Dec 03 15:54:24 <th0br0> how could I fix / solve htis?
Dec 03 15:55:07 <johnx> figure out some way to get more debugging info
Dec 03 15:55:36 <th0br0> any ... idea? 
Dec 03 15:55:40 <th0br0> well... probably some kernel options
Dec 03 15:56:49 <johnx> I'm afraid kernel hacking is over my head :(
Dec 03 15:57:29 <th0br0> yeah
Dec 03 15:57:32 <th0br0> mine too
Dec 03 16:55:38 <psokolovsky> th0br0: at that point kernel passes control to userland
Dec 03 16:55:47 <th0br0> yeah I found out so much by googling
Dec 03 16:55:51 <th0br0> but no ... proper information.
Dec 03 16:56:34 <th0br0> I'm afraid that it's some problem with busybox
Dec 03 16:56:54 <th0br0> but I don't know how to solve that one...
Dec 03 16:57:04 <th0br0> as I'm not given any information
Dec 03 16:57:37 <th0br0> have you got any ideas, psokolovsky ?
Dec 03 16:57:41 <psokolovsky> you'd start by checking ABI type of your userland. h3800 is strongarm, so doesn't support EABI proper, its userland must be OABI 
Dec 03 16:58:00 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 16:58:25 <th0br0> #CONFIG_AEABI=n
Dec 03 16:58:25 <th0br0> CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y    
Dec 03 16:58:28 <th0br0> these two options?
Dec 03 16:58:55 <psokolovsky> userland
Dec 03 16:58:58 <th0br0> and afterwards, do I have to recompile some stuff?
Dec 03 16:59:00 <th0br0> ok. :D
Dec 03 16:59:05 <th0br0> but for the kernel options ... ?
Dec 03 16:59:33 <psokolovsky> yes, AEABI should be off
Dec 03 16:59:38 <th0br0> and OABI on ?
Dec 03 17:00:40 <psokolovsky> yep. or doesn't matter
Dec 03 17:00:50 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 17:01:04 <th0br0> then I'll just recompile the kernel
Dec 03 17:02:02 <th0br0> afterwards, is anything else required?
Dec 03 17:02:23 <psokolovsky> read this carefully: OABI userland
Dec 03 17:02:31 <th0br0> I do.
Dec 03 17:02:36 <th0br0> but I don't really get it :D
Dec 03 17:03:02 <th0br0> might you be willed to enlighten me on that topic?
Dec 03 17:03:08 <th0br0> or rather on what you're trying to tell me...
Dec 03 17:03:32 <psokolovsky> rootfs you load must be built with oabi
Dec 03 17:03:34 <johnx> th0br0, what he means is that he thinks your userland stuff got compiled as EABI
Dec 03 17:03:41 <th0br0> aw...
Dec 03 17:03:44 <th0br0> that'd be... bad.
Dec 03 17:03:46 <th0br0> how can I check this
Dec 03 17:03:49 <th0br0> or which option?
Dec 03 17:04:03 <psokolovsky> by telling us what do you boot and where you take it from ;-)
Dec 03 17:04:07 <th0br0> right.
Dec 03 17:04:11 <th0br0> I'm compiling openembedded myself
Dec 03 17:04:27 <th0br0>  http://rafb.net/p/IDVt8h81.html
Dec 03 17:04:30 <th0br0> that's my local.conf
Dec 03 17:04:38 <th0br0> otherwise, I'm so far only compiling the base-image
Dec 03 17:05:09 <psokolovsky> well, that should build OABI then
Dec 03 17:05:18 <th0br0> yeah.
Dec 03 17:05:34 <th0br0> it might've been just that one option after all
Dec 03 17:06:01 <th0br0> (which I hope, as I already had to mess quite a lot with the drivers/mtd/maps/ipaq-flash.c file -.-)
Dec 03 17:06:18 <th0br0> (which took me 2 days ... well... I should read the code before doing any false assumptions but still...)
Dec 03 17:07:03 <psokolovsky> well, dunno then. I booted some angstrom stuff on h3600, so it used to work
Dec 03 17:07:12 <th0br0> without any further modifications?
Dec 03 17:08:02 <psokolovsky> any modifications I had are in OE ;-)
Dec 03 17:08:07 <th0br0> ;)
Dec 03 17:08:13 <psokolovsky> but that was long ago. do you build .dev?
Dec 03 17:08:19 <th0br0> umm
Dec 03 17:08:30 <th0br0> I'm building trunk... wiat
Dec 03 17:08:31 <psokolovsky> or .stable?
Dec 03 17:08:55 <th0br0> it's a good question :D
Dec 03 17:09:06 <th0br0> if I read this git confi right
Dec 03 17:09:24 <th0br0> wait
Dec 03 17:09:28 <th0br0> .dev
Dec 03 17:09:53 <psokolovsky> BBFILES := "/programming/angstrom/org.openembedded.stable/packages/*/*.bb" 
Dec 03 17:09:55 <psokolovsky> yet:
Dec 03 17:10:01 <psokolovsky> DISTRO = "angstrom-2008.1" 
Dec 03 17:10:18 <psokolovsky> I doubt that 2008.1 is supported in stable
Dec 03 17:10:23 <th0br0> I just named the dir that way out of lazyness
Dec 03 17:10:27 <th0br0> :D didn't want to edit the source.me
Dec 03 17:10:35 <psokolovsky> ;-\ ;-)
Dec 03 17:11:08 <psokolovsky> so well, OABI used to work for me long ago, but .dev has lot of changes since
Dec 03 17:11:13 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 17:11:18 <th0br0> I hope that it's still working.
Dec 03 17:11:21 <psokolovsky> I don't say it's broken, just give some ideas ;-)
Dec 03 17:11:27 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 17:11:38 <johnx> ah, seems to work very recently from the feeds at least
Dec 03 17:11:49 <johnx> I've been playing with it on a collie actually
Dec 03 17:11:56 <johnx> (also strongarm)
Dec 03 17:12:02 <th0br0> ok.
Dec 03 17:12:18 <th0br0> by the way, which boot loader did you use for the h3600 back then, psokolovsky ?
Dec 03 17:12:52 <psokolovsky> th0br0: mine had hh.org bootldr
Dec 03 17:13:01 <th0br0> same here.
Dec 03 17:13:10 <th0br0> (and I do quite like it :D)
Dec 03 17:14:30 <psokolovsky> yep, good bootloader, lot of effort was put into it in the corresponding times
Dec 03 17:14:35 <th0br0> yeah
Dec 03 17:14:41 <th0br0> too bad that hh.org is dead though :/
Dec 03 17:18:01 <th0br0> right
Dec 03 17:18:03 <th0br0> let's boot the kernel
Dec 03 17:18:09 <th0br0> yeehaaa!
Dec 03 17:18:10 <th0br0> :)
Dec 03 17:18:26 <th0br0> it was that obi stuff
Dec 03 17:18:51 <th0br0> [   21.190000] IPAQ flash bank 1: buffer write error (bad VPP)
Dec 03 17:18:51 <th0br0> [   21.190000] Write of 76 bytes at 0x003bc868 failed. returned -5, retlen 0
Dec 03 17:18:51 <th0br0> [   21.200000] Not marking the space at 0x003bc868 as dirty because the flash driver returned retlen zero
Dec 03 17:19:01 <th0br0> eeh OABI
Dec 03 17:19:06 <th0br0> i don't like that error though
Dec 03 17:19:14 <th0br0> I was probably being a bit too hacky there :S
Dec 03 17:19:45 <psokolovsky> th0br0: so, you changed option in  kernel config and it booted?
Dec 03 17:19:49 <th0br0> yup.
Dec 03 17:19:51 <th0br0> awesome...
Dec 03 17:20:06 <th0br0> now I just... got to remove all the debug options from the kernel, recompile it and load up the opie image -.-
Dec 03 17:20:12 <th0br0> i hate the serial bus
Dec 03 17:20:14 <th0br0> it's taking ages
Dec 03 17:20:28 <johnx> th0br0, haha! that's awesome
Dec 03 17:20:51 <th0br0> mmh
Dec 03 17:20:58 <th0br0> i definitely got to fix that buffer write error first though
Dec 03 17:21:18 <psokolovsky> th0br0: exactly, why I guess I'm not going to play with h3600 - until someone will fix usb ether driver, if that will ever happen
Dec 03 17:21:38 <th0br0> ^^
Dec 03 17:21:43 <th0br0> you mean that usbnet stuff?
Dec 03 17:22:05 <psokolovsky> th0br0: but it's strange a bit, why we have EABI enabled for SA machine in OE then? ;-) consider submitting a patch.
Dec 03 17:22:13 <psokolovsky> yep, usbnet
Dec 03 17:22:21 <th0br0> it doesn?t work? aww...
Dec 03 17:22:52 <th0br0> that is ... bad.
Dec 03 17:23:03 <johnx> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2171
Dec 03 17:23:22 <johnx> reading that bug makes me thing it works for collie...it should be similarly applicable to most strongarms, right?
Dec 03 17:24:04 <psokolovsky> th0br0: it barely works. NFS boot is great luck.
Dec 03 17:24:19 <th0br0> well... I wnat a stand alone system though
Dec 03 17:24:22 <th0br0> some... productive one :D
Dec 03 17:29:06 <psokolovsky> patch is 750Kb o_0
Dec 03 17:29:25 <psokolovsky> th0br0: that patch is to you to test ;-)
Dec 03 17:29:38 <th0br0> i'm going to
Dec 03 17:29:47 <th0br0> though...
Dec 03 17:29:54 <th0br0> i fail to spot it -.-
Dec 03 17:31:14 <psokolovsky> th0br0: that bug by url above mentions git rev where it was committed
Dec 03 17:31:28 <th0br0> yeah
Dec 03 17:31:39 <th0br0> so ... it should be in dev anyway ... ?
Dec 03 17:32:22 <psokolovsky> yep
Dec 03 17:32:41 <psokolovsky> packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/usb-gadget27bp.patch
Dec 03 17:32:56 <th0br0> well... I'm using a different kernel.
Dec 03 17:33:09 <th0br0> linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.21-hh20
Dec 03 17:33:18 <th0br0> but I'll try patching anyway
Dec 03 17:33:53 <psokolovsky> yeah, the keyword is "kernel patch" ;-)
Dec 03 17:34:41 <th0br0> indeed
Dec 03 17:36:15 <th0br0> is there any other handheld currently out there that is ... somewhat similiar to the h3800 and that is supported by OE?
Dec 03 17:37:16 <psokolovsky> th0br0: collie, simpad, h3600
Dec 03 17:37:34 <th0br0> ok
Dec 03 17:37:52 <th0br0> which simpad models are supported?
Dec 03 17:38:38 <th0br0> all according to wikipedia
Dec 03 17:39:05 <johnx> th0br0, check bugs on bugs.openembedded.org before making purchases :)
Dec 03 17:39:08 <th0br0> collie --> zaurus?
Dec 03 17:39:14 <th0br0> aye JaMa 
Dec 03 17:39:15 <th0br0> eeh johnx 
Dec 03 17:40:05 <johnx> yeah, zaurus 5500
Dec 03 17:40:48 <th0br0> mmh... the flash is so small
Dec 03 17:41:04 <th0br0> are any newer ones supported, too?
Dec 03 17:41:36 <johnx> the newer ones are supported much better :)
Dec 03 17:42:10 <th0br0> like the sl-c3200?
Dec 03 17:42:23 <johnx> especially the c750, c760, c860, and all the c3x00 and c1000
Dec 03 17:42:27 <th0br0> ok
Dec 03 17:42:39 <johnx> other ipaqs have more recent support too
Dec 03 17:42:43 <th0br0> yeah.
Dec 03 17:42:45 <th0br0> though they look horrible
Dec 03 17:43:38 <johnx> I'm sorry, but the h3800 is pretty hideous :P
Dec 03 17:43:40 <th0br0> i just wish that those new zaurus devices were cheaper :s
Dec 03 17:43:54 <th0br0> why? I like it :D
Dec 03 17:44:02 <johnx> what about, say the rx3400?
Dec 03 17:44:20 <johnx> also, have you heard of the Nokia Internet Tablets? N800 and N810?
Dec 03 17:44:40 <th0br0> mmh
Dec 03 17:44:44 <th0br0> the rx3400 looks nice
Dec 03 17:45:19 <th0br0> they aren't sonld anymore though, are they?
Dec 03 17:45:29 <johnx> yeah, guess not
Dec 03 17:45:41 <johnx> I saw one used in a local 2nd hand shop
Dec 03 17:45:44 <th0br0> ah .
Dec 03 17:46:46 <th0br0> mmh those nokias look nice
Dec 03 17:47:09 <th0br0> do they work as real phones, too? ;)
Dec 03 17:47:15 <johnx> gah :P
Dec 03 17:47:19 <johnx> it's not a phone
Dec 03 17:47:24 <th0br0> i know, I was just jokin
Dec 03 17:47:25 <th0br0> g
Dec 03 17:47:40 <johnx> ah, I totally went for it :P
Dec 03 17:47:41 <th0br0> they're quite budget-friendl,y too :D
Dec 03 17:48:04 <th0br0> :D
Dec 03 17:48:17 <johnx> and faster than a zaurus, plus more RAM, modern software being developed and a great community
Dec 03 17:48:21 <th0br0> yeah
Dec 03 17:48:27 <th0br0> are you running OE on it?
Dec 03 17:48:47 <johnx> actually, dual booting between Nokia's Maemo (OS2008) and Ubuntu
Dec 03 17:48:54 <th0br0> mmh
Dec 03 17:48:57 <th0br0> that's possible o.O?
Dec 03 17:49:11 <johnx> Ubuntu?
Dec 03 17:49:16 <th0br0> nah rather the dual boot.
Dec 03 17:49:26 <th0br0> though I'm wondering whether I should rather buy an openmoko at this point :D
Dec 03 17:49:35 <johnx> yeah, OS2008 is on the internal flash and Ubuntu on an SDHC card
Dec 03 17:49:41 <th0br0> ah ok
Dec 03 17:50:13 <th0br0> I think I'll just flash the h3800 back to the opie 1.2.1 version available from hh.org
Dec 03 17:52:52 <th0br0> the openpandora looks nice though, too...
Dec 03 17:53:23 <th0br0> gosh I'm really torn apart
Dec 03 18:00:03 <th0br0> but I think that I'll go for the openpandora ;)
Dec 03 18:04:57 <th0br0> thanks so far though, bye.
Dec 03 18:51:23 <profgryzzli> hi !
Dec 03 18:51:46 <profgryzzli> First, sorry for my bad english, i'm french
Dec 03 18:52:39 <profgryzzli> i'm looking for an answer : does Angstrom work on Zire72 ? And can i use some debian applications or other on Angstrom ?
Dec 03 19:14:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> profgryzzli, i don't know if there are builds for such machine ...but...oe has a palmz73.conf in its machine directory
Dec 03 19:32:28 <profgryzzli> thank you
Dec 03 19:32:40 <profgryzzli> and can we use debian application on angstrom ?
Dec 03 19:33:08 <Sketch> i wouldn't count on it
Dec 03 19:33:22 <Sketch> some will probably work, if you pick the right version of debian
Dec 03 19:35:00 <profgryzzli> only angstrom applications will work?
Dec 03 19:36:40 <profgryzzli> (i'm really newb, and it's hard for me to understand the website )
Dec 03 19:38:50 <Sketch> it's like comparing one linux distribution to another
Dec 03 19:39:12 <profgryzzli> ok
Dec 03 19:39:13 <Sketch> if you have all of the required library versions, things will probably work
Dec 03 19:39:27 <profgryzzli> i'm seeing that it accepts X11 application, doest it ?
Dec 03 19:39:33 <profgryzzli> ok
Dec 03 19:39:53 <Sketch> of course with arm, there are also (at least) two different binary formats, so you have to be using the same binary format
Dec 03 19:40:05 <Sketch> (there are debian ports for both arm and armel)
Dec 03 19:40:51 <profgryzzli> ok
Dec 03 19:40:57 <profgryzzli> i think i understand
Dec 03 19:41:02 <profgryzzli> thank you a lot sketch
Dec 03 19:41:32 <profgryzzli> Example
Dec 03 19:41:40 <profgryzzli> I install Angstrom and Opie
Dec 03 19:41:48 <profgryzzli> if i want to use X11 application
Dec 03 19:41:54 <profgryzzli> i dll X11 libs
Dec 03 19:41:57 <profgryzzli> and run games
Dec 03 19:42:01 <profgryzzli> yes ?
Dec 03 19:42:38 <Sketch> if the games require x11, you'll need the x11 libs
Dec 03 19:43:32 <profgryzzli> ok
Dec 03 19:43:36 <profgryzzli> so i've understand
Dec 03 19:43:42 <profgryzzli> you're fun guys
Dec 03 19:43:47 <profgryzzli> (gnutoo and sktech ;) )
Dec 03 19:44:00 <profgryzzli> Bye ;)
Dec 03 19:44:08 <profgryzzli> and thanks a lot one more time
Dec 03 19:44:27 <Sketch> basically stuff built for the distro you are using should just work, other stuff may require some tweaking or recompiling to get working
Dec 03 20:07:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> Sketch, hi...you seems active  here...could you help me with this bug? http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4896
Dec 03 20:08:09 <GNUtoo-desktop> Sketch, because most of the apps I want to run segfault...
Dec 03 20:13:20 <GNUtoo-desktop> Sketch, i've even recompiled the lib...and tried an old version of it(don't know if it was installed becase opkg list_installed showed the new version's numbers)
Dec 03 20:40:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> does anyone have a libx11 that work or that doesn't work?
Dec 03 23:41:11 <lumag> hi!
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 04 02:59:57 2008